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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 13, 2021 20:14:59 GMT 1
This is the kind of behaviour that puts me off going to England games, it seems to have become an excuse to exercise jingoistic, nationalistic and violent attitudes and behaviours.
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Post by terriers321 on Jul 13, 2021 20:28:14 GMT 1
Look what happened when France won the world cup last time round. They rioted in Paris and other cities. I'm pretty sure someone even died. It made the stuff what went on around Wembley look like kids play. Any calls for them to be banned etc? I bet most people cant even remember it.
People love to take a dig at England supporters at any given opportunity, including some of our own unfortunately.
The biggest game the country has had in decades and on home soil. You would of thought the old bill and security would of had it on point. Anybody could of told you before hand there would be problems if they didnt due to the sheer numbers.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Jul 13, 2021 21:09:22 GMT 1
Look what happened when France won the world cup last time round. They rioted in Paris and other cities. I'm pretty sure someone even died. It made the stuff what went on around Wembley look like kids play. Any calls for them to be banned etc? I bet most people cant even remember it. People love to take a dig at England supporters at any given opportunity, including some of our own unfortunately. The biggest game the country has had in decades and on home soil. You would of thought the old bill and security would of had it on point. Anybody could of told you before hand there would be problems if they didnt due to the sheer numbers. I agree people love to have a go at England. But I think the issues on Sunday afternoon were also due to covid, it was a pressure release and excuse for people to act daft, alot of built up energy. Also the fact that they couldn't 'go big' on fan parks etc, pubs with restricted numbers, so they all just headed to Wembley where to be fair 30,000 empty seats were waiting for them. The racist abuse of Rashford, Saka, Sancho is disgusting but I have seen some analysis of the comments and it looks like very few were actually sent from the UK, most were sent from Asia. (Not sure how reliable the study is, though Southgate touched on this yesterday). Vast vast vast majority of people have said how dissapointed they are for the players, especially the kids who missed their penalties. Seems to be less hate qnd resentment than usual to be honest. Its one of the most likeable England squads I've ever known and I think the English population appreciate that. We've seen alot more abuse, death threats etc when exiting tournaments in the past. I'm not that bothered about international football but there's no denying it's been a successful tournament in quite a difficult time to organise it. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 13, 2021 21:12:09 GMT 1
A lot of it boils down to football supporters being absolutely fucking thick as a brick.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 13, 2021 21:12:22 GMT 1
This is the kind of behaviour that puts me off going to England games, it seems to have become an excuse to exercise jingoistic, nationalistic and violent attitudes and behaviours. My memory is bloody terrible, but I can still vividly recall a documentary on English hooligans and at one point a large group started on two Brazilians, who were in no way looking for trouble, and upon noticing being filmed one of the English lads called the people making the documentary traitors to their country. I think he even said he was fighting for his country. I mean,  🙈🤣 |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 13, 2021 21:20:36 GMT 1
This is the kind of behaviour that puts me off going to England games, it seems to have become an excuse to exercise jingoistic, nationalistic and violent attitudes and behaviours. My memory is bloody terrible, but I can still vividly recall a documentary on English hooligans and at one point a large group started on two Brazilians, who were in no way looking for trouble, and upon noticing being filmed one of the English lads called the people making the documentary traitors to their country. I think he even said he was fighting for his country. I mean, 🙈🤣 That's the kind of attitude I'm talking about. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 13, 2021 21:32:52 GMT 1
A lot of it boils down to football supporters being absolutely fucking thick as a brick. I think you're being kind there The problem is drugs and alcohol, simple as that. Combine that with silly kick off times and you're asking for trouble. A lot don't give two shits about the football, they're out to get hammered to oblivion and make a tit of themselves almost as if its a competition to see who can be the biggest idiot. Since when was snorting drugs in front of massive crowds and filmed for all to see on social media something to be proud of? |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jul 13, 2021 21:42:39 GMT 1
The appalling scenes before and after last nights game will scupper any chance of this country hosting the World Cup. The brainless idiots were out in force and yet there hasn't been that much on the news about it, it's like the authorities are trying to keep quiet over it. 875 football related offences before during and after were recorded by the Met police and over 100 arrest's were made, fans were beaten up, 100's forced there way in, people had tickets snatched out of their hands, Police and stewards attacked, windows smashed, bottles and cans just thrown at will in to the crowds causing many injuries. These drunken, drug fueled, brainless idiots who just absolutely thrashed Leicester Sq should be made to clean up the thousands of bottles they smashed on their hands and knees. The trolls are back racially abusing the players but surprisingly Gareth Southgate said, that most of the tweets were from abroad, so who are these racist foreigners, is Putin behind it!!. The people doing it in this country are not football fans, but they need to be hauled before the courts the lot of them There's a very good reason (from FIFA's point of view) why England will not be selected to host a world cup, and it's nothing to do with the reasons you've selected, and everything to do with the same reasons why wholly unsuitable nations, that require massive infrastructure projects in order to host, are selected. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 13, 2021 21:44:16 GMT 1
A lot of it boils down to football supporters being absolutely fucking thick as a brick. Spot on. The same thick c**** giving out lads abuse ( racist or just general ) would have been jumping up and down throwing beer everywhere if they’d scored. The pitiful effort by the met is really poor as well. Ffs. There must have been 30 to 40k on Wembley way at 1:00pm. Obviously thousands without tickets for the biggest game in memory. And yet we have mainly hi viz jackets on peanuts trying to handle it. We couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 13, 2021 21:57:03 GMT 1
Shocking stuff in the video INSIDE Wembley. A feral mob kicking people on the floor in the head. There is even one bloke who must be 60 doing it! Meanwhile the dozen stewards in the background stand idly by. I have truly come to despise my own country. The story coming out is that basically a few formed a vigilante mob to prevent the feral rats invading the stadium. Matey in the brown checked shirt, and the other guy in the white shirt and shorts "overseeing proceedings". They claim self engineered action was necessary as the stewards weren't up for sorting out the invaders, not my job for £7.90 an hour was one quote, and the police were not on duty inside the stadium, too busy sorting out other goings on in the capital. Dominic Matteo beat a hasty retreat as he said he genuinely feared for his safety (not sure if young family members with him) and Mike Tindall waded in to break up a brawl in the seats as the game got underway as wife Zara looked on. Reports suggest that was as a result of someone going to his seat found someone else sitting in it, and refused to budge. Further reports of a malevolent atmosphere in various pockets of the stadium, not surprised if so many had snook in. Glad I watched from the safety of my armchair, but not a good look for our country. Scottish, Welsh and Irish people rounding on us saying we are a bloody disgrace, and quite frankly hard to disagree. Is it reflective and symptomatic of the way the country is heading, I don't know? I left once, and could quite easily do so again, I just don't get the outright xenophobia and feelings of rage and anger towards other nationalities, and now English on English for the most part on Sunday. Makes for horrible viewing I'm afraid. Not sure kicking people in the head for sneaking in a stadium vigilanteism would work. Looking at the match video i would say there were not 65,000 in there but nearer 90,000. Friends in there told me loads got in tailgating or jumping barriers. I was at the England v Germany game....only saw two cops the whole time....on Wembley Way. Ridiculous state of affairs. What i did see both before and after the game were hundreds of feral youth outside. All sort of a strange mixed race and angry....jumping about pushing people, aggressive, throwing things....it was very odd. Looked more like a weird Somalian/Caribbean festival than an England game....thats London these days i suppose. p.s If anyone comes on and says "mixed race is not the term these days" can i pre-empt then with a simple fuck off. Sorry, i cant keep up with your PC bullshit. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 13, 2021 22:05:21 GMT 1
Certainly watching on tv it looked like there many more inside than they said.
I’ve seen videos of literally thousands storming the barriers. I guess this was happening all around the. Stadium.
Surely for game of this magnitude there should be an exclusion zone where only fans with tickets can get anywhere near the stadium. And that the met would be heavily outnumbering the ho viz jackets
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Post by bluebeard on Jul 13, 2021 23:09:14 GMT 1
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 14, 2021 7:43:39 GMT 1
Illuminating...the Met knew hours before kick-off but were powerless. Every other big tournament i went to you could not get within a mile of the ground without a ticket. Wembley was full....thousands got in. www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-57829412 |
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Post by bridgeterrier on Jul 14, 2021 8:06:24 GMT 1
I've never seen Wembley Way like it was on Sunday afternoon, in fact a supporter sat in front said it was like a throwback to the early 80's down WW, we arrived around 16.15 and it took nearly half an hour to get through the crowds, covid check and ticket activation to get to the turnstile. It was obvious by the sheer amount of people gathered that a hell of a lot of them didn't have tickets, most were well oiled to say the least and judging by the amount nitrous oxide cannisters strewn amongst the empty beer cans and broken bottles on the floor quite a few were on a high. There was a police presence but you just knew that if this crowd turned then it could soon get out of hand as they wouldn't have the numbers to push back. From what I've seen of the footage of fans storming the gates to the lower tier the stewards in the main did the best they could but were woefully short of numbers hence why some ticketed supporters took things into there own hands. The thing is all the warning signs were there to see from the Denmark game but neither the policing or the stewarding seemed to learn any lessons from it I wonder if it would be possible to stop ticketless fans even getting to Wembley Way ? You always get a portion of vermin knocking about "soaking up the atmosphere " I did wonder about that but then that would mean ticket checks in the tube station which gets packed when it's free flowing so i think that's a non starter |
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Post by bridgeterrier on Jul 14, 2021 8:11:37 GMT 1
This is the kind of behaviour that puts me off going to England games, it seems to have become an excuse to exercise jingoistic, nationalistic and violent attitudes and behaviours. It's not normally like that mate, one of the best things I ever did was starting following England home and away. Yes we have a few dickheads and the bigger the allocation then the more come crawling out of the woodwork(Amsterdam, Dortmund) but usually they are pretty easy to avoid as you know the majority of them will drink in the Irish bars and eat at Maccy D's. Take yourself away from that and watching England away will take you to some great places that you would not normally visit and you will meet some great England supporters from all walks of life |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 14, 2021 8:36:38 GMT 1
I wonder if it would be possible to stop ticketless fans even getting to Wembley Way ? You always get a portion of vermin knocking about "soaking up the atmosphere " I did wonder about that but then that would mean ticket checks in the tube station which gets packed when it's free flowing so i think that's a non starter Euro 96 had barriers and checks half way up Wembley way.....you could not get within 300 yards of the ground. This time you could get to within 70 yards. Ridiculous after the scenes outside at the previous two games. Every mainline train to London was sold out Sunday morning, East and West coast....think the Met might have noticed? An extra 1 million people on the streets of central London apparently. The Police are always wise after the event. Go back to paper tickets and proper turnstiles. Back to policing instead of pointless stewards. |
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Post by Champers on Jul 14, 2021 9:19:02 GMT 1
A lot of it boils down to football supporters being absolutely fucking thick as a brick. I think you're being kind there The problem is drugs and alcohol, simple as that. Combine that with silly kick off times and you're asking for trouble. A lot don't give two shits about the football, they're out to get hammered to oblivion and make a tit of themselves almost as if its a competition to see who can be the biggest idiot. Since when was snorting drugs in front of massive crowds and filmed for all to see on social media something to be proud of? Specifically cocaine and alcohol. Nobody is causing wide-scale disorder after smoking a few biftas. Don't lump us potheads in with those feral cokehead bastards please 👍🏼 |
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Post by bridgeterrier on Jul 14, 2021 9:23:48 GMT 1
I did wonder about that but then that would mean ticket checks in the tube station which gets packed when it's free flowing so i think that's a non starter Euro 96 had barriers and checks half way up Wembley way.....you could not get within 300 yards of the ground. This time you could get to within 70 yards. Ridiculous after the scenes outside at the previous two games. Every mainline train to London was sold out Sunday morning, East and West coast....think the Met might have noticed? An extra 1 million people on the streets of central London apparently. The Police are always wise after the event. Go back to paper tickets and proper turnstiles. Back to policing instead of pointless stewards. Back in 1996 Wembley was a Stadium and vast amounts or car/coach parks. The Wembley you see today it totally different, other than Wembley way it's self everything around it has been built on in the immediate area. Flats, Hotels, A shopping centre and even Box Park. Sticking a further check point half way down Wembley way would just increase the numbers in a smaller area and become more dangerous. I'd love to see the Risk assessment that Wembley/Brent council had for this event |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 14, 2021 13:36:00 GMT 1
Euro 96 had barriers and checks half way up Wembley way.....you could not get within 300 yards of the ground. This time you could get to within 70 yards. Ridiculous after the scenes outside at the previous two games. Every mainline train to London was sold out Sunday morning, East and West coast....think the Met might have noticed? An extra 1 million people on the streets of central London apparently. The Police are always wise after the event. Go back to paper tickets and proper turnstiles. Back to policing instead of pointless stewards. Back in 1996 Wembley was a Stadium and vast amounts or car/coach parks. The Wembley you see today it totally different, other than Wembley way it's self everything around it has been built on in the immediate area. Flats, Hotels, A shopping centre and even Box Park. Sticking a further check point half way down Wembley way would just increase the numbers in a smaller area and become more dangerous. I'd love to see the Risk assessment that Wembley/Brent council had for this event I could not believe my eyes the other day...the whole Wembley area filled with new buildings without a fag paper between them. All in 4-5 years. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Jul 14, 2021 22:37:17 GMT 1
I did wonder about that but then that would mean ticket checks in the tube station which gets packed when it's free flowing so i think that's a non starter Euro 96 had barriers and checks half way up Wembley way.....you could not get within 300 yards of the ground. This time you could get to within 70 yards. Ridiculous after the scenes outside at the previous two games. Every mainline train to London was sold out Sunday morning, East and West coast....think the Met might have noticed? An extra 1 million people on the streets of central London apparently. The Police are always wise after the event. Go back to paper tickets and proper turnstiles. Back to policing instead of pointless stewards. Spot on. I was at England v Scotland in Euro 96. Still the same vile atmosphere on the tube trains and round rhe streets of London but the policing was different class - they appeared ‘out of nowhere’ when any trouble flared (we were locked in a pub for 30 minutes whilst they dealt with bother outside). The management of fans as each tube arrived at Wembley was top class - you could only move on in groups of about 300 at a time. There were constant checks but it felt as safe as it could possibly be. Big contrast on Sunday by the looks of it. |
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jul 15, 2021 7:53:25 GMT 1
This is the kind of behaviour that puts me off going to England games, it seems to have become an excuse to exercise jingoistic, nationalistic and violent attitudes and behaviours. The Croatia game was the first England game I've ever been to at Wembley. I went to an England game at Pride Park back in the 90's and my trips to Wembley have previously been, in the main, to watch Town, or for rugby league games. The crowd for the England game was totally different to any other games I've been to - much younger and more male dominated - and I remarked on that at the time. I didn't see any issues, but it was a 2pm kick off on a Sunday and even the Sainsbury's by the ground didn't open until 12pm, so there wasn't as much time to drink before the game, plus which there were only 22,500 there. |
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