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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jul 18, 2021 9:46:17 GMT 1
That's right. I'm a total tyrant me. Power mad. Kenny and Rigsdon are pathetic weak puppets with my hand up their backsides working them from the inside. FFS. Well, you're the one spouting on here about how you aren't going to change your mind, so yes, I suspect that's pretty much how it works. You sat on the throne pegging Kenny and Rigsdon while they type out your commands on DATM How insulting that is to two admins who diligently work on here voluntarily, always giving posters the benefit of any doubt, carefully considering every action. Insult me all you like, it's water off a ducks back, but to suggest what you're saying about them is low. You're embarrassing yourself now. |
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Post by artysid on Jul 18, 2021 9:49:40 GMT 1
and the second part of my post "I assume by your post you are implying the possibility of malpractice by the two admins involved? I note one removed himself from the process because he was too close to it." ? What gives either the right to remove for good, when none have been voted in. They're admins not owners. Can you not see it should be put to members, doesn't this happen at certain members clubs still to this day? Is their such a thing as a DATM member or is it just an open forum where anyone can post subject to the rules it applies? Who is the owner? Maybe you should write to the owner expressing your concerns with the way the website is being run? You would accept they can set whatever rules they want for their website ands allow whoever they want to run it for them? |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2021 9:49:42 GMT 1
Well, you're the one spouting on here about how you aren't going to change your mind, so yes, I suspect that's pretty much how it works. You sat on the throne pegging Kenny and Rigsdon while they type out your commands on DATM How insulting that is to two admins who diligently work on here voluntarily, always giving posters the benefit of any doubt, carefully considering every action. Insult me all you like, it's water off a ducks back, but to suggest what you're saying about them is low. You're embarrassing yourself now. The visual seed is planted. I don't mind embarrassing myself G. You need to take a step back and reconsider your position as admins and the decisions you are making. If I have to make a twat of msyelf to trigger that, then I'll fall on that sword. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 9:52:43 GMT 1
Yes I did. Sounds like presumption is the order of the day. A presumption based on your statement "I’ve not read the full story and didn’t see any of what led to him being booted" my apologies. Ha, sorry, I thought you meant the detailed history provided by Rigodon ahead of him being appointed as an admin !!! (Thereby demonstrating why it’s a bit of a mistake to have just two or three people hand out summary unquestionable justice to a community of thousands) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 9:56:34 GMT 1
What gives either the right to remove for good, when none have been voted in. They're admins not owners. Can you not see it should be put to members, doesn't this happen at certain members clubs still to this day? Is their such a thing as a DATM member or is it just an open forum where anyone can post subject to the rules it applies? Who is the owner? Maybe you should write to the owner expressing your concerns with the way the website is being run? You would accept they can set whatever rules they want for their website ands allow whoever they want to run it for them? Better it voted by members than an admin thinking he owns it then. I get you don't like Oti? This isn't for him, it ideally needs to be voted on, something as extreme and daft as life time bans. Nick also should be brought back and going forward, lifetime bans need to be put up. You can be an arse about your responses all you like, but to think these admins, notably one, can life off anyone they like on here is absolutely absurd. |
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Post by digs on Jul 18, 2021 9:58:25 GMT 1
Genuine question for people. Is this more about who it is and the fact that some people like him, think the board will be a poorer place without him, and his illness? Because my honest view is that if this was someone else in the exact same situation, same posts that have been reported over the years, etc, but not liked as much or doesn't post as much, this wouldn't have blown up like it has. Personally I say if you break rules, get various warnings, bans, or whatever the punishment might be, you only have yourself to blame if you carry on. Also people shouldn't go and blame the admins or the people who have ever reported any of his posts. It's Oti's fault as he knew what he was posting, and he chose to post what he did over many years. It's like if I choose to punch someone, it's not the fault of the person who rings the police, or the police themselves if I end up in a cell, it's my fault because I chose to punch that person. Yes because punching someone in the face is the same as a posting an opinion on a forum 🤔 |
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Post by stevvy on Jul 18, 2021 10:03:25 GMT 1
The point is he only has himself to blame, it's his fault and his fault alone, nobody elses. Same as if I posted the stuff he did, if I got a ban (of any length) who's fault is it? Mine? The people who report me? The people dishing out the ban? It's my fault.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 10:08:16 GMT 1
The point is he only has himself to blame, it's his fault and his fault alone, nobody elses. Same as if I posted the stuff he did, if I got a ban (of any length) who's fault is it? Mine? The people who report me? The people dishing out the ban? It's my fault. Dont disagree with bans and he does need to take responsibility on some things he posts, but lifetime banning off a discussion forum, really? |
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Post by stevvy on Jul 18, 2021 10:12:30 GMT 1
The point is he only has himself to blame, it's his fault and his fault alone, nobody elses. Same as if I posted the stuff he did, if I got a ban (of any length) who's fault is it? Mine? The people who report me? The people dishing out the ban? It's my fault. Dont disagree with bans and he does need to take responsibility on some things he posts, but lifetime banning off a discussion forum, really? So genuine question, what would your solution be, regardless of who the poster is? |
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Post by artysid on Jul 18, 2021 10:13:09 GMT 1
Is their such a thing as a DATM member or is it just an open forum where anyone can post subject to the rules it applies? Who is the owner? Maybe you should write to the owner expressing your concerns with the way the website is being run? You would accept they can set whatever rules they want for their website ands allow whoever they want to run it for them? Better it voted by members than an admin thinking he owns it then. I get you don't like Oti? This isn't for him, it ideally needs to be voted on, something as extreme and daft as life time bans. Nick also should be brought back and going forward, lifetime bans need to be put up. You can be an arse about your responses all you like, but to think these admins, notably one, can life off anyone they like on here is absolutely absurd. Oti is one of my favourite posters, I like him a lot, despite having a difference of views sometimes. I would have loved to have had a pint with him, still hope I will one day. This isn't about him. It's about the practicalities of running an open forum on a website. All forums have an owner who can set whatever rules they want and allow whoever they want to run it for them. If the current owner wasn't happy with the rules and the current admins I assume they would change or remove them. That's why I'm suggesting you find out who they are and express your concerns to them. That said I'm pretty sure you wont cos it's easier to just argue with some random bloke on t'internet who can't change owt. Some of the "we should do this, we should do that" Ideas I've heard over the last few days seem either impractical or an unreasonable burden on unpaid volunteers. Unlike you I have no gripe with the way this forum is run at the moment either the rules or the fairness of the admins. It works well particularly for the 95% of registered "member" who never post and the 1,000's more who read but don't register. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 10:18:51 GMT 1
Better it voted by members than an admin thinking he owns it then. I get you don't like Oti? This isn't for him, it ideally needs to be voted on, something as extreme and daft as life time bans. Nick also should be brought back and going forward, lifetime bans need to be put up. You can be an arse about your responses all you like, but to think these admins, notably one, can life off anyone they like on here is absolutely absurd. Oti is one of my favourite posters, I like him a lot, despite having a difference of views sometimes. I would have loved to have had a pint with him, still hope I will one day. This isn't about him. It's about the practicalities of running an open forum on a website. All forums have an owner who can set whatever rules they want and allow whoever they want to run it for them. If the current owner wasn't happy with the rules and the current admins I assume they would change or remove them. That's why I'm suggesting you find out who they are and express your concerns to them. That said I'm pretty sure you wont cos it's easier to just argue with some random bloke on t'internet who can't change owt. Some of the "we should do this, we should do that" Ideas I've heard over the last few days seem either impractical or an unreasonable burden on unpaid volunteers. Unlike you I have no gripe with the way this forum is run at the moment either the rules or the fairness of the admins. It works well particularly for the 95% of registered "member" who never post and the 1,000's more who read but don't register. The gripe I have is some of the rules. Spelling errors can lead to banning. That is absolutely ridiculous. Obviously it was aimed at Nick. They're admins, yet handing out life term bans on here. Who brought in the life banning. Its a forum, where controversial things will be discussed. Seems as though, don't like my view, off you go You don't have a problem with some things as you've been here so long, you're used to it. Isn't bad having people new ish, come in with fresh ideas. That's what a lot of work companies tend to do to adapt to current ways or a bit more subtle. None of this affects me or will, in terms of being banned. Won't be embroiled in it. I've interacted to have some thoughts on this whole thing, the rules that come with it etc. If it's not welcome, that's cool, I'll drift off this page |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Jul 18, 2021 10:19:39 GMT 1
The point is he only has himself to blame, it's his fault and his fault alone, nobody elses. Same as if I posted the stuff he did, if I got a ban (of any length) who's fault is it? Mine? The people who report me? The people dishing out the ban? It's my fault. Dont disagree with bans and he does need to take responsibility on some things he posts, but lifetime banning off a discussion forum, really? Maybe try a one month ban first? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 10:22:53 GMT 1
Dont disagree with bans and he does need to take responsibility on some things he posts, but lifetime banning off a discussion forum, really? So genuine question, what would your solution be, regardless of who the poster is? Not lifetime ban anyone would be a start. Remove that spelling or trolling rule would be another. Advise to block or mute someone. Remove Politics thread, Off Topic is good for bits and bobs with films or random life things. Politics does not mix at all with football. |
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Post by Hoggy on Jul 18, 2021 10:38:18 GMT 1
So genuine question, what would your solution be, regardless of who the poster is? Not lifetime ban anyone would be a start. Remove that spelling or trolling rule would be another. Advise to block or mute someone. Remove Politics thread, Off Topic is good for bits and bobs with films or random life things. Politics does not mix at all with football. There are numerous posters that enjoy the politics board and are happy to debate differing views on there… surely you see the irony in fighting for Oti’s free speech but not accepting the political posts? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 10:42:49 GMT 1
So genuine question, what would your solution be, regardless of who the poster is? Not lifetime ban anyone would be a start. Remove that spelling or trolling rule would be another. Advise to block or mute someone. Remove Politics thread, Off Topic is good for bits and bobs with films or random life things. Politics does not mix at all with football. Trolling should not be considered acceptable behaviour. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 10:51:21 GMT 1
For as long as the ‘block’ button is a feature on this forum, lifetime bans should not even been a consideration.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 10:56:29 GMT 1
Not lifetime ban anyone would be a start. Remove that spelling or trolling rule would be another. Advise to block or mute someone. Remove Politics thread, Off Topic is good for bits and bobs with films or random life things. Politics does not mix at all with football. Trolling should not be considered acceptable behaviour. Their reasoning of trolling however. Classing spelling errors, on purpose or not as it. Just mute the person |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 10:58:38 GMT 1
Not lifetime ban anyone would be a start. Remove that spelling or trolling rule would be another. Advise to block or mute someone. Remove Politics thread, Off Topic is good for bits and bobs with films or random life things. Politics does not mix at all with football. There are numerous posters that enjoy the politics board and are happy to debate differing views on there… surely you see the irony in fighting for Oti’s free speech but not accepting the political posts? Politics on a football board, is a reason half this shit starts. There's a lot that carry their issues over from it. Irony all over the place. Keep it, I won't lose any sleep over folk arguing or what not, just having an input to what I think may help in longevity of people's accounts on here, without the need to ban. |
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Post by artysid on Jul 18, 2021 11:06:32 GMT 1
For as long as the ‘block’ button is a feature on this forum, lifetime bans should not even been a consideration. I tend to agree. A 5 year ban should be the maximum, if they reoffend they'll keep getting roll over 5 year bans. Thing is though they are. Oti knew they were, it seems the admins bent over backwards (hope that's not an inappropriate phrase  ) not to ban him, he kept getting warnings but obviously began to believe the forum rules didn't apply to him. He chose to continue to make posts he knew were likely to lead to a permanent ban, no one forced him to. What happened was his choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 11:10:45 GMT 1
Not lifetime ban anyone would be a start. Remove that spelling or trolling rule would be another. Advise to block or mute someone. Remove Politics thread, Off Topic is good for bits and bobs with films or random life things. Politics does not mix at all with football. Trolling should not be considered acceptable behaviour. The problem is its not black and white 'matter of fact' to define. Is witty sarcasm & humour outlawed? For example, by any measure, pretty much every post that mayorofcov (BFHB) Honours posts is trolling...its off the wall disruptive nonsense. But - that doesn't make it unacceptable, he's one of the best posters on here - he's a Town fan. The mellllloooooooooooooooowsmoooke poster is a troll - yet his occasional timely disruptive posts are a breath of fresh air and amusement. otium (EPBS) gets it for stirring his stick of intellect into the whirling cesspit of the (in his consideration) unintelligent masses. He's trolling, but its often thought provoking. There's value in his disruption. Disruption and chaos is often GOOD. I know as a designer I'm encouraged to have disruptive thoughts - aka "stepping outside the box". |
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Post by hypotenuse on Jul 18, 2021 11:15:28 GMT 1
Genuine question for people. Is this more about who it is and the fact that some people like him, think the board will be a poorer place without him, and his illness? Because my honest view is that if this was someone else in the exact same situation, same posts that have been reported over the years, etc, but not liked as much or doesn't post as much, this wouldn't have blown up like it has. Personally I say if you break rules, get various warnings, bans, or whatever the punishment might be, you only have yourself to blame if you carry on. Also people shouldn't go and blame the admins or the people who have ever reported any of his posts. It's Oti's fault as he knew what he was posting, and he chose to post what he did over many years. It's like if I choose to punch someone, it's not the fault of the person who rings the police, or the police themselves if I end up in a cell, it's my fault because I chose to punch that person. Yes because punching someone in the face is the same as a posting an opinion on a forum 🤔 For some people, it can actually be worse to have things posted about them than it is for them to be punched. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 18, 2021 11:16:36 GMT 1
The problem with "blocking" people is that it doesn't work. Well, yes, it does, but we all know that it doesn't because so many of us quote other posts and once a "blocked" person's post is quoted it's out there again, "unblocked". Unless you block the quoter too... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 11:27:04 GMT 1
Trolling should not be considered acceptable behaviour. Their reasoning of trolling however. Classing spelling errors, on purpose or not as it. Just mute the person You need to differentiate between trolling & spelling errors, they are incomparable. Those who spelled poorly have been trolled on here. Nick was a harmless wanker who probably spelt incorrectly as a part of his ridiculous online persona, did he deserve to be banned? It is the aggressive nature of trolling that is in need of control IMO. One should be able to engage with debate where differing views exist without having to mute those who you disagree with because they start trolling you in weaponising their argument. To allow trolling is a route to empowering bullies! |
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 18, 2021 11:34:07 GMT 1
Of course he's not. To do that we'd then have to have a poll on every decision ever made by the admin team, past and future. Surely it wouldn’t be every decision. Just questionable ones, such as this. Would that mean we need a poll to decide whether we have a poll? 🤪 |
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Post by JG Mellor on Jul 18, 2021 11:57:42 GMT 1
If he has breached the rules, he shouldn't be reinstated. His health status is totally immaterial. If you break the law, tough titties.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 12:01:55 GMT 1
Serious question . How did the 3 admins become admins ? Was it voted on , I have never seen a vote . Are they appointed , and if so , how. Is there a time for term in office. The problem is, nobody wants to do it, so we've ended up with a group that aren't brilliant at it. Bit like politics really |
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Post by Lard Buttie on Jul 18, 2021 12:04:46 GMT 1
No, that’s your feeble twist on the reality to imply that my view is weak as piss. Very clever, I’m sure, so going by your logic Otium made you call him a “c***” in the same thread, I take it you will now see your role as a neutral admin as compromised and untenable. I haven’t attacked you for this situation I’ve merely pointed out it doesn’t sit right to keep commenting on threads about someone who got a lifetime ban following a long row with you where you not only called him a “c***” but repeatedly made allegations against him until he threatened to take legal action against you if it continued. I’ve recently been on the receiving end of you being a snidey, obnoxious piece of work when I’ve dared to take an opposing viewpoint, you’re a bully who claims to oppose bullying. I won’t be replying to you again as long as you remain an admin. because I certainly didn’t agree with Otium all the time, far from it but I think he had you sussed. I take full ownership of my having called Oti that. That's my point. It's not my logic that would suggest otherwise. It's yours. I'm not sure any right thinking person would accept an argument that anyone was provoked into demonstrating homophobia. It's a ludicrous argument. What sanctions did you receive for calling someone else a c***?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 12:05:36 GMT 1
Any lifetime should be at least put up. I don't think Nick should be banned tbh. I don't agree with lifetime at all anyhow. It's to suit some and their cliques though Totally agree. Still no idea why nick was banned. Ffs he’d have an argument with himself in a phone box. If you don’t like it block him. If you don’t like Oti block him. If you don’t like me block me............ The block button is useful,apart from when people quote them |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 18, 2021 12:05:51 GMT 1
If he has breached the rules, he shouldn't be reinstated. His health status is totally immaterial. If you break the law, tough titties. This isn't the law, its some made up rules relevant to this forum. Even those sentenced to life imprisonment get out sometime (most of them anyway). Whether Oti broke the forum rules or not, I'd have thought the admins could have shown him some compassion and maybe adminstered some other form of sanction. |
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Post by Lard Buttie on Jul 18, 2021 12:06:58 GMT 1
The problem is, nobody wants to do it, so we've ended up with a group that aren't brilliant at it. I think Kenny is absolutely fine. Doesn’t let his personal opinion of people get in the way of applying the rules. Grim just looks for a power trip too often, unfortunately. As for the third admin - well, the fact many on here can’t even remember his username probably tells its own story. Agree with first two points but I know and have known the third admin for over 20 years. Hes a fair and balanced individual. |
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