bigtruck
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Post by bigtruck on Jul 18, 2021 12:28:08 GMT 1
Oti has no one but himself to blame. Racist comments aren’t welcome and the general consensus of the vitriol commented after the England suggests a hard line approach is becoming wanted and needed.
It’s not good enough just not being racist yourself, people have to call it out.
Everyone knows this wasn’t a one off with him and it would seem comments from the collective of his disciples on here suggests we’ve a long way to go to get rid of racism.
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Post by Niggled on Jul 18, 2021 12:34:53 GMT 1
Oti has no one but himself to blame. Racist comments aren’t welcome and the general consensus of the vitriol commented after the England suggests a hard line approach is becoming wanted and needed. It’s not good enough just not being racist yourself, people have to call it out. Everyone knows this wasn’t a one off with him and it would seem comments from the collective of his disciples on here suggests we’ve a long way to go to get rid of racism. As far as I'm aware he has not been banned for racism, he has been banned for a long running discussion on homosexuality |
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Post by Wingman on Jul 18, 2021 12:39:55 GMT 1
I think Kenny is absolutely fine. Doesn’t let his personal opinion of people get in the way of applying the rules. Grim just looks for a power trip too often, unfortunately. As for the third admin - well, the fact many on here can’t even remember his username probably tells its own story. Agree with first two points but I know and have known the third admin for over 20 years. Hes a fair and balanced individual. And surely that’s the point. Rigodon isn’t well know yet as he isn’t on threads posting too often, he’s not been contentious to anyone. That’s the right way for an admin to behave surely? |
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Post by artysid on Jul 18, 2021 12:44:41 GMT 1
If he has breached the rules, he shouldn't be reinstated. His health status is totally immaterial. If you break the law, tough titties. This isn't the law, its some made up rules relevant to this forum. Even those sentenced to life imprisonment get out sometime (most of them anyway). Whether Oti broke the forum rules or not, I'd have thought the admins could have shown him some compassion and maybe adminstered some other form of sanction. This seems to be a point of contention. The admins are saying they gave him a lot of slack time and time again -seems he had enough final warnings to paper a bedroom, but he continued to ignore them. You are saying they didn't. I guess posters will believe what they want to believe. What other form of sanction are you suggesting? I've already suggested mine on the other thread. |
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Post by sabailand on Jul 18, 2021 13:04:07 GMT 1
It’s not good enough just not being racist yourself, people have to call it out. So if a person isnt racist and dosnt hurl racist abuse, thats not good enough? |
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bigtruck
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Post by bigtruck on Jul 18, 2021 13:07:09 GMT 1
It’s not good enough just not being racist yourself, people have to call it out. So if a person isnt racist and dosnt hurl racist abuse, thats not good enough? No it’s not. |
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Post by sabailand on Jul 18, 2021 13:11:05 GMT 1
So if a person isnt racist and dosnt hurl racist abuse, thats not good enough? No it’s not. Well if i witnessed racist insults at a match i wouldnt say anything, not becasue i would be agreeing with the culprits, but for the fact things can escalate and i wont risk taking a smack in the mouth. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 18, 2021 13:13:42 GMT 1
This isn't the law, its some made up rules relevant to this forum. Even those sentenced to life imprisonment get out sometime (most of them anyway). Whether Oti broke the forum rules or not, I'd have thought the admins could have shown him some compassion and maybe adminstered some other form of sanction. This seems to be a point of contention. The admins are saying they gave him a lot of slack time and time again -seems he had enough final warnings to paper a bedroom, but he continued to ignore them. You are saying they didn't. I guess posters will believe what they want to believe. What other form of sanction are you suggesting? I've already suggested mine on the other thread. I'm not doubting that he's had warnings but in this case, given his predicament, maybe they could have bent the rules and handed down a shorter ban or maybe they could just delete any posts that broke the rules. As I undertand it the offending post was not directed at an individual. I don't believe anybody should be handed a lifetime ban. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 13:24:58 GMT 1
Well if i witnessed racist insults at a match i wouldnt say anything, not becasue i would be agreeing with the culprits, but for the fact things can escalate and i wont risk taking a smack in the mouth. That's a very specific hypothetical example of very obvious racism in a potentially volatile situation though, Sabs. FWIW I might stay silent to their faces, too - i'd be rubbish in a fight. But you can be anti-racist in different ways, and call it out in different situations. |
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Post by chinaski on Jul 18, 2021 13:25:56 GMT 1
Oti has no one but himself to blame. Racist comments aren’t welcome and the general consensus of the vitriol commented after the England suggests a hard line approach is becoming wanted and needed. It’s not good enough just not being racist yourself, people have to call it out. Everyone knows this wasn’t a one off with him and it would seem comments from the collective of his disciples on here suggests we’ve a long way to go to get rid of racism. I’m definitely not racist but I gave up calling it out in real life a long time ago. What’s the point? You’re not going to change their views. Some of Oti’s views I definitely didn’t agree with - but I’ve got mates with views I totally disagree with but because we share similar interests you just accept it and move on. If I’m in the pub with them and the conversation moves onto something I disagree with, I’ll go and talk to somebody else. If he came in here and exclusively talked about the stuff I disagree with, I’d probably have a different opinion - but in my view - the interesting stuff he offered to the forum far outweighed the bad stuff. Everything is so polarised these days - everybody has to either be this it or that. It is possible to just get on without having to take sides and push some kinda faux agenda which ever side you think you’re on. |
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Post by Champers on Jul 18, 2021 13:38:11 GMT 1
Whatever has happened has happened. Chances are nobody is going to be able to change the outcome so all the shit slinging at the admins (well, one in particular) needs to stop and stop now.
All I see is grown men acting like children and it isn't going to change anything. Just drop it and move on, or if you can't drop it and you hate the way the forum is run that badly, then there's always another option...
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Post by flevans on Jul 18, 2021 13:51:12 GMT 1
Without Otium, this place will be shit. A bit like being forced to watching the France Tour bicycle thing... This place is pretty shit regardless TBF |
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 18, 2021 14:01:38 GMT 1
If we struggled getting admins before this incident I wouldn’t have thought we have increased our chances in the future. They don’t get a mention until they move a thread to the wrong place or ban someone. Can’t really think how the board will recruit when we need a replacement.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jul 18, 2021 15:03:58 GMT 1
Decisions as key as life time bans should be made to vote on. You'd get an idea properly if the majority want them gone, if they're abusing, trolling etc. Removing people shouldn't be just solely down to admins, they could or one could, have a personal gripe with someone. At least polling it gives you an idea if the mass majority agree with you and your other admins. Minor decisions on the board, like moving bits to sub boards isn't key. Then it wouldn't be about enforcing the rules anymore, it would be about the popularity of the individual involved. I assume by your post you are implying the possibility of malpractice by the two admins involved? I note one removed himself from the process because he was too close to it. He's had his two penneth on it since though. |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2021 15:13:08 GMT 1
Then it wouldn't be about enforcing the rules anymore, it would be about the popularity of the individual involved. I assume by your post you are implying the possibility of malpractice by the two admins involved? I note one removed himself from the process because he was too close to it. He's had his two penneth on it since though. Given it says this in the rules .----------------- What to do if you disagree with an admin decision or want to discuss our approach 1. If a poster has any comments, criticisms, and/or complaints for or about the admin team, what we are doing, or what we may not have done, or has any suggestions about how we can improve the board, the appropriate way to communicate that to us is to PM one or more of us. We will then discuss it with you, so that you are aware of what our view is. ----------------- You would think there would have been more adherence by the admins to that particular rule. Or, do they just like kicking posters down the road? I might be wrong, but it appears that the admin team have buried their heads in the ground until this blows over. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 15:23:04 GMT 1
He's had his two penneth on it since though. Given it says this in the rules .----------------- What to do if you disagree with an admin decision or want to discuss our approach 1. If a poster has any comments, criticisms, and/or complaints for or about the admin team, what we are doing, or what we may not have done, or has any suggestions about how we can improve the board, the appropriate way to communicate that to us is to PM one or more of us. We will then discuss it with you, so that you are aware of what our view is. ----------------- You would think there would have been more adherence by the admins to that particular rule. Or, do they just like kicking posters down the road? I might be wrong, but it appears that the admin team have buried their heads in the ground until this blows over. Wow. I didn’t realise that was a rule. I wonder how many PMs they’ve received in the last 48 hours! |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2021 15:27:22 GMT 1
Given it says this in the rules .----------------- What to do if you disagree with an admin decision or want to discuss our approach 1. If a poster has any comments, criticisms, and/or complaints for or about the admin team, what we are doing, or what we may not have done, or has any suggestions about how we can improve the board, the appropriate way to communicate that to us is to PM one or more of us. We will then discuss it with you, so that you are aware of what our view is. ----------------- You would think there would have been more adherence by the admins to that particular rule. Or, do they just like kicking posters down the road? I might be wrong, but it appears that the admin team have buried their heads in the ground until this blows over. Wow. I didn’t realise that was a rule. I wonder how many PMs they’ve received in the last 48 hours! I suspect they haven't recevied any, and that will be the reason given for not acknowledging the quite obvious discontent that many many posters have with the events over the weekend invloving the rules. However, they are well aware of that discontent and have made no noteable effort to take any of the views on board. It really is a bit disappointing. Clearly there's a personal grievance between Otium and Grim - something that Otium ackowledged in his statement yesterday, and I think that is having a significant impact on the stubborn refusal of the admins to come out and admit that changes are needed. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 18, 2021 15:37:27 GMT 1
Wow. I didn’t realise that was a rule. I wonder how many PMs they’ve received in the last 48 hours! I suspect they haven't recevied any, and that will be the reason given for not acknowledging the quite obvious discontent that many many posters have with the events over the weekend invloving the rules. However, they are well aware of that discontent and have made no noteable effort to take any of the views on board. It really is a bit disappointing. Clearly there's a personal grievance between Otium and Grim - something that Otium ackowledged in his statement yesterday, and I think that is having a significant impact on the stubborn refusal of the admins to come out and admit that changes are needed. Re this " personal grievance " . It was made clear that grimflake had no part in the decision to ban otium . So that's the end of that little conspiracy theory. And the remaining two admins acted by the letter of the rules. It saddened me . But it is what it is . The only surefire endgame here of about 10 posters turning into utter wetwipes is the admins saying "fuck this for a game of soldiers " and the end of this board. Maybe you could resurrect your breakaway board again ? |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2021 16:12:25 GMT 1
I suspect they haven't recevied any, and that will be the reason given for not acknowledging the quite obvious discontent that many many posters have with the events over the weekend invloving the rules. However, they are well aware of that discontent and have made no noteable effort to take any of the views on board. It really is a bit disappointing. Clearly there's a personal grievance between Otium and Grim - something that Otium ackowledged in his statement yesterday, and I think that is having a significant impact on the stubborn refusal of the admins to come out and admit that changes are needed. Re this " personal grievance " . It was made clear that grimflake had no part in the decision to ban otium . So that's the end of that little conspiracy theory. And the remaining two admins acted by the letter of the rules. It saddened me . But it is what it is . The only surefire endgame here of about 10 posters turning into utter wetwipes is the admins saying "fuck this for a game of soldiers " and the end of this board. Maybe you could resurrect your breakaway board again ? Are you that naive Ted? Really? You don't think that the decision was influenced by Grim's quite obvious dislike for Otium (ie, calling him a c***). The admins work as a team, they will look out for each other - it's human nature. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 18, 2021 16:31:21 GMT 1
It's all getting a bit Fox news . Love em or hate em . They all have integrity. Stop making it up and shit stirring
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 16:50:21 GMT 1
It's all getting a bit Fox news . Love em or hate em . They all have integrity. Stop making it up and shit stirring Says the biggest shit stirrer I have had the displeasure of coming across! |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 18, 2021 16:51:17 GMT 1
It's all getting a bit Fox news . Love em or hate em . They all have integrity. Stop making it up and shit stirring Says the biggest shit stirrer I have had the displeasure of coming across! Youre right of course Steve. As always . Have a lie down kid |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jul 18, 2021 16:53:53 GMT 1
It's all getting a bit Fox news . Love em or hate em . They all have integrity. Stop making it up and shit stirring They all have integrity? Really? I'm sure two of them do, I know for a fact the third one doesn't. Calling someone a "c***" is in clear breach of the rules, constantly goading someone, twisting their point repeatedly to the extent they threaten legal action against you to stop it and then jumping into multiple threads about the person that got banned to say nothing to do with me but I agree with this post against him and I like all these posts that are against him are NOT acting with integrity. Why defend the indefensible, I'm not asking for Oti to be reinstalled, I don't think his illness plays a part, I'm calling for one admin to act honourably and with some integrity, however in my dealings with him it's clear he's a pompous, self opinionated bully who will carry on regardless. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 16:54:29 GMT 1
Says the biggest shit stirrer I have had the displeasure of coming across! Youre right of course Steve. As always . Have a lie down kid Here we go again, deflection by trying to redicule. People can see through you Ted. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 16:56:56 GMT 1
Youre right of course Steve. As always . Have a lie down kid Here we go again, deflection by trying to redicule. People can see through you Ted. I messaged him yesterday to say people could see through him. He didn’t believe me… |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 18, 2021 16:59:21 GMT 1
Youre right of course Steve. As always . Have a lie down kid Here we go again, deflection by trying to redicule. People can see through you Ted. Great . I'm glad they can. Can I apologise in any other ways in order to calm you down ? I said no one has ever been banned for a spelling mistake. That's all I said . But if it cools you off i promise to swear down on oath that life bans have been handed out for comma misappropriation. I'm skilled at this I used to work in a unit for people with challenging and aggressive behaviours By all means come back and call me all the names in the world. If it helps Steve if it helps |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 17:03:24 GMT 1
Here we go again, deflection by trying to redicule. People can see through you Ted. Great . I'm glad they can. Can I apologise in any other ways in order to calm you down ? I said no one has ever been banned for a spelling mistake. That's all I said . But if it cools you off i promise to swear down on oath that life bans have been handed out for comma misappropriation. I'm skilled at this I used to work in a unit for people with challenging and aggressive behaviours By all means come back and call me all the names in the world. If it helps Steve if it helps You're digging a deeper hole, showing more people, keep it up. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 18, 2021 17:06:35 GMT 1
Great . I'm glad they can. Can I apologise in any other ways in order to calm you down ? I said no one has ever been banned for a spelling mistake. That's all I said . But if it cools you off i promise to swear down on oath that life bans have been handed out for comma misappropriation. I'm skilled at this I used to work in a unit for people with challenging and aggressive behaviours By all means come back and call me all the names in the world. If it helps Steve if it helps You're digging a deeper hole, showing more people, keep it up. Given I'm.aware of your diagnosis I'll leave it there . Good luck fella have a nice night |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 17:19:04 GMT 1
You're digging a deeper hole, showing more people, keep it up. Given I'm.aware of your diagnosis I'll leave it there . Good luck fella have a nice night Actually, I have not been diagnosed by a professional, I am a self declared member of the Autistic Spectrum, having read about stuff that made me different, wondering why I was bullied by people that may have had your characteristics? I now stand up for myself & my opinions in the knowledge that some are prejudiced against some like me. And I stand up for the true sense of equality, and have been accused of being racist on here, by the fake band wagon PC obsessives that can't see their own prejudices, of which I believe you are a member. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 18, 2021 17:22:33 GMT 1
Given I'm.aware of your diagnosis I'll leave it there . Good luck fella have a nice night Actually, I have not been diagnosed by a professional, I am a self declared member of the Autistic Spectrum, having read about stuff that made me different, wondering why I was bullied by people that may have had your characteristics? I now stand up for myself & my opinions in the knowledge that some are prejudiced against some like me. And I stand up for the true sense of equality, and have been accused of being racist on here, by the fake band wagon PC obsessives that can't see their own prejudices, of which I believe you are a member. Well I'm.glad you got your diagnosis . Getting the diagnosis is the way forward in terms of getting some support . Take care |
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