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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 8, 2021 12:56:27 GMT 1
From not looking like a pro footballer at all last season to being a roaring success this, the transformation is nothing short of remarkable. I actually think there was a flash of a good player in bits last season, though I did not expect him to progress anywhere near as much as he appears to have, but you have to realise last season was a huge step up for him & he was bound to take some time to adjust. Mind you, there was not much sign of the killer set pieces I think the problem with players stepping up from the conference is that full time training (especially the way Corberan does it) leaves them nothing in the tank for a game day. It takes them a good six months (or a full pre season) to get used to it. This is why i think he didnt look particularly quick in his apperances last season but does now. Good to see him also go for a full 90 without showing much signs of fatigue
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Post by yoy on Aug 8, 2021 12:59:33 GMT 1
Or it shows that there’ll be more debate when there’s a divergence of opinion. You have your view, I have mine but I wonder how many of these ridiculous posts there are to criticise posters for voicing their opinions. Quite rightly so, the abuse of players should be brought onto question, it was borderline against the rules of the site on one player this weekend. He doesn’t mention abuse. Not that I have seen any, I have simply seen people comment that Schofield is not up to task. What he says is that we can draw definitive conclusions re a number of posts. For reference, I suspect there’s far more abuse re other posters than there ever is of an individual player.
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Post by benhomly on Aug 8, 2021 13:01:47 GMT 1
Says it all about the negativity of Town fans when sine the kick off yesterday we’ve had over 75 posts about Schofield yet only 20 odd about Thomas and his excellent performance. Even a Derby player was gushing in his praise. Some people are only happy when they’re having a go. Or it shows that there’ll be more debate when there’s a divergence of opinion. You have your view, I have mine but I wonder how many of these ridiculous posts there are to criticise posters for voicing their opinions. So it’s ok for posters to criticise players but not ok for posters to criticise other posters. How bizarre.
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Post by ritchie on Aug 8, 2021 13:06:23 GMT 1
Get him tied down to a long term contract, ASAP Only 22 and so much scope for development, exciting we've got 4 years still. if he has a good season give him a payrise and a bit of extension in 6-12 months
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Post by yoy on Aug 8, 2021 13:08:07 GMT 1
Or it shows that there’ll be more debate when there’s a divergence of opinion. You have your view, I have mine but I wonder how many of these ridiculous posts there are to criticise posters for voicing their opinions. So it’s ok for posters to criticise players but not ok for posters to criticise other posters. How bizarre. That’s not what I said. But look, if you feel that you need to change what has been said to you in order to justify your point then you go ahead. I had thought that you were a better poster than that but knock yourself out. What I actually said was quite clear. The conclusion you drew was not necessarily the only one and frankly, I think the reason for the number of posts is much more obvious than the one you infer. I simply then observe that you’re posting stats about negativity , whilst being incredibly negative. That’s what i’d refer to as being bizarre.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 13:10:30 GMT 1
Quite rightly so, the abuse of players should be brought onto question, it was borderline against the rules of the site on one player this weekend. He doesn’t mention abuse. Not that I have seen any, I have simply seen people comment that Schofield is not up to task. What he says is that we can draw definitive conclusions re a number of posts. For reference, I suspect there’s far more abuse re other posters than there ever is of an individual player. You've looked with blinkers on then.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 13:11:58 GMT 1
So it’s ok for posters to criticise players but not ok for posters to criticise other posters. How bizarre. That’s not what I said. But look, if you feel that you need to change what has been said to you in order to justify your point then you go ahead. I had thought that you were a better poster than that but knock yourself out. What I actually said was quite clear. The conclusion you drew was not necessarily the only one and frankly, I think the reason for the number of posts is much more obvious than the one you infer. I simply then observe that you’re posting stats about negativity , whilst being incredibly negative. That’s what i’d refer to as being bizarre. Actually a double negative is positive!
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Post by yoy on Aug 8, 2021 13:19:03 GMT 1
He doesn’t mention abuse. Not that I have seen any, I have simply seen people comment that Schofield is not up to task. What he says is that we can draw definitive conclusions re a number of posts. For reference, I suspect there’s far more abuse re other posters than there ever is of an individual player. You've looked with blinkers on then. Odd post.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 8, 2021 13:20:14 GMT 1
You've looked with blinkers on then. Odd post. He's just odd full stop. Ignore him
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Post by yoy on Aug 8, 2021 13:21:18 GMT 1
That’s not what I said. But look, if you feel that you need to change what has been said to you in order to justify your point then you go ahead. I had thought that you were a better poster than that but knock yourself out. What I actually said was quite clear. The conclusion you drew was not necessarily the only one and frankly, I think the reason for the number of posts is much more obvious than the one you infer. I simply then observe that you’re posting stats about negativity , whilst being incredibly negative. That’s what i’d refer to as being bizarre. Actually a double negative is positive! Depends entirely on the function that is combining them. However, irrespective of how clever you think you’re being …. I’m quite happy that my post carries exactly the meaning that was intended.
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Post by ldotm on Aug 8, 2021 13:34:36 GMT 1
I actually think there was a flash of a good player in bits last season, though I did not expect him to progress anywhere near as much as he appears to have, but you have to realise last season was a huge step up for him & he was bound to take some time to adjust. Mind you, there was not much sign of the killer set pieces I think the problem with players stepping up from the conference is that full time training (especially the way Corberan does it) leaves them nothing in the tank for a game day. It takes them a good six months (or a full pre season) to get used to it. This is why i think he didnt look particularly quick in his apperances last season but does now. Good to see him also go for a full 90 without showing much signs of fatigue Pretty much every club in the conference is full time these days, it might even be all now. Even Conference North & South have full time teams, it’s not really semi professional as the name suggests.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 8, 2021 14:16:28 GMT 1
You've looked with blinkers on then. Odd post. Hardly surprising 😉
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Post by bobrobterrier on Aug 8, 2021 14:18:47 GMT 1
One reason why I'm not joining calls for wholesale changes to the strategy despite my lack of optimism for this season. There's a lot we're getting very, very right. Sorba Thomas is the best current example. Josh Koroma is another. Picking up undervalued players with potential & patiently developing these "project players" looks like reaping some rewards. I don't know whether Danny Grant or Danel Sinani will succeed here or not, & jury is still out on Rolando Aarons (I haven't given up on him yet) but even if they all come to nowt, if you're getting one spectacular success, they'll pay for those that fail. Still have a lot of hope and excitement for Grant. Bohemians beat Stjarnan, Dudelange and managed to beat PAOK 2–1 last week in the Europa Conference League. Dundalk drew 2-2 to Vitesse. Quality of the League of Ireland is slept on and Grant absolutely tore it apart on a consistent basis from the age of 18-20. He was due to be called up to the senior Ireland squad after the Plymouth game but we all know what happened there. Hopefully gets a bit of luck and can show what he can do this season.
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Post by andyeastleake on Aug 8, 2021 14:28:40 GMT 1
Still have a lot of hope and excitement for Grant. Bohemians beat Stjarnan, Dudelange and managed to beat PAOK 2–1 last week in the Europa Conference League. Dundalk drew 2-2 to Vitesse. Quality of the League of Ireland is slept on and Grant absolutely tore it apart on a consistent basis from the age of 18-20. He was due to be called up to the senior Ireland squad after the Plymouth game but we all know what happened there. Hopefully gets a bit of luck and can show what he can do this season. Presumably predictive text but can't work out what you meant to type?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 14:29:04 GMT 1
Actually a double negative is positive! Depends entirely on the function that is combining them. However, irrespective of how clever you think you’re being …. I’m quite happy that my post carries exactly the meaning that was intended. My point is that posting negatively about negativity is positive. You infer it is negative to do so, which inverts the meaning.
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Post by bobrobterrier on Aug 8, 2021 14:32:38 GMT 1
Still have a lot of hope and excitement for Grant. Bohemians beat Stjarnan, Dudelange and managed to beat PAOK 2–1 last week in the Europa Conference League. Dundalk drew 2-2 to Vitesse. Quality of the League of Ireland is slept on and Grant absolutely tore it apart on a consistent basis from the age of 18-20. He was due to be called up to the senior Ireland squad after the Plymouth game but we all know what happened there. Hopefully gets a bit of luck and can show what he can do this season. Presumably predictive text but can't work out what you meant to type? No I meant slept on mate. It’s an expression, basically to say the quality of the league is underestimated
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Post by yoy on Aug 8, 2021 14:32:47 GMT 1
Depends entirely on the function that is combining them. However, irrespective of how clever you think you’re being …. I’m quite happy that my post carries exactly the meaning that was intended. My point is that posting negatively about negativity is positive. You infer it is negative to do so, which inverts the meaning. How long will you clutch straws for? I understood what you were trying to say. I simply don’t think it is pertinent, accurate or interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 14:34:14 GMT 1
He's just odd full stop. Ignore him If you consider describing players as 'shit', as an example, to be appropriate you will not see the point. Therefore your opinion is worthless, whether about the wider point or me personally.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 14:35:25 GMT 1
My point is that posting negatively about negativity is positive. You infer it is negative to do so, which inverts the meaning. How long will you clutch straws for? I understood what you were trying to say. I simply don’t think it is pertinent, accurate or interesting. OK, so you don't actually understand.
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Post by yoy on Aug 8, 2021 14:43:43 GMT 1
How long will you clutch straws for? I understood what you were trying to say. I simply don’t think it is pertinent, accurate or interesting. OK, so you don't actually understand. I very much did. I just don’t agree with it and thought it was pointlessly dull.
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 8, 2021 16:03:25 GMT 1
One reason why I'm not joining calls for wholesale changes to the strategy despite my lack of optimism for this season. There's a lot we're getting very, very right. Sorba Thomas is the best current example. Josh Koroma is another. Picking up undervalued players with potential & patiently developing these "project players" looks like reaping some rewards. I don't know whether Danny Grant or Danel Sinani will succeed here or not, & jury is still out on Rolando Aarons (I haven't given up on him yet) but even if they all come to nowt, if you're getting one spectacular success, they'll pay for those that fail. Still have a lot of hope and excitement for Grant. Bohemians beat Stjarnan, Dudelange and managed to beat PAOK 2–1 last week in the Europa Conference League. Dundalk drew 2-2 to Vitesse. Quality of the League of Ireland is slept on and Grant absolutely tore it apart on a consistent basis from the age of 18-20. He was due to be called up to the senior Ireland squad after the Plymouth game but we all know what happened there. Hopefully gets a bit of luck and can show what he can do this season. I seem to recall somebody (it might even have been you!) saying back in January that Grant was widely regarded as the better prospect of the two vs Sorba Thomas. How much of that was based on Grant having incredible talent & how much was based on Sorba Thomas being underestimated I don't know, but if he's anything like comparable then I'm looking forward to seeing him get some game time this season. Koroma was our best player last season, Sorba Thomas looks like he's going to be even better. Whilst we may have some glaring weaknesses elsewhere on the pitch, we have some exciting talent in the wide attacking positions.
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Post by NewMill Terrier on Aug 8, 2021 16:15:09 GMT 1
What stood out for me was his awareness of others, his pass for Campbells chance was a prime example. How many players would of just had a pot shot that would probably have been blocked. The awareness that Campbell was in a better position and the application of the pass were top drawer. Look forward to see how he develops over the season
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Post by Rickys mellons on Aug 8, 2021 16:30:17 GMT 1
Looking forward to seeing the lad play. I remember seeing some official tweets of him being back for preseason earlier than others. Good luck to him, its seems like he's back fitter and ready for championship football
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Post by bobrobterrier on Aug 8, 2021 16:50:58 GMT 1
I think, with some luck injury wise, Grant will be an Ireland international in the next 12 months and Thomas will be a Welsh international too (he’s eligible for them). I don’t think it’s a wild prediction either
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Aug 8, 2021 18:27:43 GMT 1
Just think how much confidence a goal would do for Sorba! His set pieces have been superb, well, superb in comparison to the shit we've been dished up in the last few years, but the sooner he actually scores, the better I think it will be for him.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 8, 2021 20:03:17 GMT 1
I think, with some luck injury wise, Grant will be an Ireland international in the next 12 months and Thomas will be a Welsh international too (he’s eligible for them). I don’t think it’s a wild prediction either Thats a good thing to see posted! We saw with Koroma that these lads face a big step up moving to this level and it can take a bit of time for them to get up to speed. the intensity, quality and pace of the game is massively different . The competition, the pressure. Then you throw in their personal life, moving to Huddersfield from the London area and all that entails for young lads. Someone posted earlier that with these lads moving upwards to join town , they seem to have a really good attitude. They appreciate that playing for us at this level is a huge deal but they still have the ambition to go further and know only hard graft and ability will make that happen. Certainly get the impression with some players who've dropped a level to join Town, that they see it as a temporary blip on their way to the superstardom that will surely just happen for them. Suppose the difference is those lads are already millionaires even if they haven't even really achieved anything in the game yet. Must be difficult to motivate lads like that. Anyway, as a club we certainly seem far better at finding quality players for bugger all, than we are at finding them for multi-millions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 20:16:41 GMT 1
Are there some parallels - both with Thomas and Grant - and Lolley?
I know Grant was LOI rather than non-league, but it's surely still a big jump in training intensity, so maybe that's part of it for him - like it was with Lolley. Or is it more bad luck, or being naturally injury-prone?
With Thomas, of course he wasn't going to be ready straight away - but there's loads of examples of non-league players making the step up to great success, even if it takes a little while to get up to speed.
Just a shame Lolley peaked after he left us - that said, what's happened this last year or so, one minute he's being touted for a big-money move to Villa, but this last season or so he seems to have dropped out of the picture?
Regardless of all that, I remember someone - think it was Maynard - saying we'd beaten off a lot of competition to sign Thomas, and early signs are that we've done well to get him and might have a (rough?) diamond on our hands - I can't wait to see what he can do. Preferably in person - gawd, I've missed live games!
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Post by k1man999 on Aug 8, 2021 20:26:52 GMT 1
If we get this lad playing well consistently and koroma back to something like and Jordan with confidence we have a good front 3
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 8, 2021 20:35:12 GMT 1
If we get this lad playing well consistently and koroma back to something like and Jordan with confidence we have a good front 3 Is Corberan reluctant to select all 3 though?
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 8, 2021 20:56:57 GMT 1
Are there some parallels - both with Thomas and Grant - and Lolley? I know Grant was LOI rather than non-league, but it's surely still a big jump in training intensity, so maybe that's part of it for him - like it was with Lolley. Or is it more bad luck, or being naturally injury-prone? With Thomas, of course he wasn't going to be ready straight away - but there's loads of examples of non-league players making the step up to great success, even if it takes a little while to get up to speed. Just a shame Lolley peaked after he left us - that said, what's happened this last year or so, one minute he's being touted for a big-money move to Villa, but this last season or so he seems to have dropped out of the picture? Regardless of all that, I remember someone - think it was Maynard - saying we'd beaten off a lot of competition to sign Thomas, and early signs are that we've done well to get him and might have a (rough?) diamond on our hands - I can't wait to see what he can do. Preferably in person - gawd, I've missed live games! The difference this time is that our model is based on picking up and developing this type of player, both in the academy and for the first team. Lolley was on his own in that respect and we were clueless on how to develop him. He played alongside seasoned pros and the management seemed to treat him exactly the same, forgetting that he’d been at uni about 18 months before joining us.
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