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Post by araucaria on Aug 30, 2021 9:48:07 GMT 1
When we lost 1-0 at home to Lincoln in the League Cup, Mbenza played directly against Toffolo and didn't attempt to take him on once. At the time it was said that Lincoln's record signing was ยฃ75,000 and we had someone who cost something like 150 times that, who didn't seem to be trying. The Cowleys clearly didn't need to know any more about Isaac than they learned that night.
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Post by cyberman on Aug 30, 2021 10:52:18 GMT 1
Why would you turn down Olympiakos, your guaranteed European football, a great climate. Maybe he thinks he his too good for them and is waiting for Man City or PSG to come in for him. Fuck me have you been on the glue ? - He is more likely to get signed on by Oldham than Olympiacos or Burton that Benfica. Lets face it we made a total clusterfick signing this "player" and I use the term very loosely. His only claim to fame will be No1 as the worst signing ever....
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 30, 2021 10:57:08 GMT 1
When we lost 1-0 at home to Lincoln in the League Cup, Mbenza played directly against Toffolo and didn't attempt to take him on once. At the time it was said that Lincoln's record signing was ยฃ75,000 and we had someone who cost something like 150 times that, who didn't seem to be trying. The Cowleys clearly didn't need to know any more about Isaac than they learned that night. Mbenza never takes anybody on. He's alright when he's in acres of space, but rather than take a man on he passes it sideways or backwards. He might occasionally try to outsprint someone but you'll never see him try to go round a defender in the way that the likes of Thomas & Rowe do. For the money we paid for him, he's a bloody awful winger.
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Post by Melc on Aug 30, 2021 11:38:26 GMT 1
Letโs just hope by 11pm tomorrow he is gone , because quite frankly seeing his name makes me sick. Put some of his obscene wages into players that deserve a pay rise like Soba Thomas, now thatโs what I call a winger, not a mersonary.
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Post by ben1987 on Aug 30, 2021 11:39:01 GMT 1
I can see him staying me, if we can't get him out by now something is wrong, thought he was good last season mbenza but yet again another player with a shite attitude, if he comes out and says he wants to play and won't act like a kid if we lose or gets sub off (pretty much a apology) I'm okay with it but surely get him out and the funds will go towards a new player๐ค๐ IF we sell him, the funds wonโt go towards a new player. Those funds will go elsewhereโฆ Itโs getting him off the wage bill thatโs essential for us getting a new player in.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Aug 30, 2021 12:52:19 GMT 1
Whether he has the capability of running fast is irrelevant, at no time whatsoever has he shown any speed in the Championship. He upped his game when his agent told him to give him something to work with when he wanted to find a new club but, even then, reverted to type quickly.
He has been a disgrace &, while not his fault he was offered so much money, he is able to sit back & do fuck all to earn it. The man is a disgrace & if he won't accept an offer to move on, we have made a big booboo renewing his contract. Still, we've got a couple of days to get rid, here's hoping.
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Post by goodbet on Aug 30, 2021 13:21:46 GMT 1
It can't help him to get a move when we have a player signed from non league that is miles better than he is and would keep him out of the side if he did decide to stay. Why would anyone give him a salary anywhere near his current one when they can see what you can get for a fraction of the price. Who would want to be his agent trying to sell something so over priced, he may well regret not leaving earlier and we may well end up regretting extending his contract.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 30, 2021 14:47:34 GMT 1
Letโs just hope by 11pm tomorrow he is gone , because quite frankly seeing his name makes me sick. Put some of his obscene wages into players that deserve a pay rise like Soba Thomas, now thatโs what I call a winger, not a mersonary. Paul Mersonary ?
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 30, 2021 14:59:52 GMT 1
Letโs just hope by 11pm tomorrow he is gone , because quite frankly seeing his name makes me sick. Put some of his obscene wages into players that deserve a pay rise like Soba Thomas, now thatโs what I call a winger, not a mersonary. Paul Mersonary ? I think a mersonary is someone who goes overseas to spread the word of Paul Merson.
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Post by rugbyterrier on Aug 30, 2021 15:39:53 GMT 1
I think a mersonary is someone who goes overseas to spread the word of Paul Merson. Spread betting๐
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Post by Melc on Aug 30, 2021 17:09:20 GMT 1
I think a mersonary is someone who goes overseas to spread the word of Paul Merson. Spread betting๐ Mercenaryโฆ. ๐ blimey my mistake!
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 30, 2021 17:41:06 GMT 1
Championship sides haven't been buying many players have they. There's been a pandemic in case you have not noticed. He was joint 10th with assists in the league, in a poor side and injured 2nd half. Excellent with free kicks. Pace. He'd be excellent in a good team. Free kicks Ill give you but assists is the most bogus stat going. Tap a ball a yard to the side for your teammate to smash it in from 35 yards, and you get an assist. Think we used stats like that when we bought him.. which just goes to show how using stats to rate a player can at times be a really daft thing to do. You only had to have watched Mbenza playing since he came to this club to form an opinion of his 'quality', attitude and application. And he has been utterly woeful. He had a brief spell last season when he wasn't shit. Wasn't anything that great, but wasn't shit. And thats as much as we got from him. He'd have been an utterly woeful signing if he'd cost ยฃ500k so that fact he cost somewhere north of ยฃ11 or 12m and has been draining the club of god knows how much money on a weekly basis ever since, just makes it even worse. A player who hides from the action. Who is supposed to be fast but never, NEVER even attempts to use this alleged pace. A player who would bottle out of a 50/50 against a 5 year old girl. A complete passenger who has somehow managed to become a highly paid pro footballer. If we end up lumbered with that waste of space for yet another year when we didn't have to, whilst we shovel many more hundreds of grand into his bulging bank account, then we have royally fucked up something rotten!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 30, 2021 17:57:24 GMT 1
He had a couple of.good.months. which isn't great in 3 years
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 30, 2021 18:12:42 GMT 1
He had a couple of.good.months. which isn't great in 3 years Still more than Pritchard managed though ๐
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Post by wigster on Aug 30, 2021 18:14:39 GMT 1
Championship sides haven't been buying many players have they. There's been a pandemic in case you have not noticed. He was joint 10th with assists in the league, in a poor side and injured 2nd half. Excellent with free kicks. Pace. He'd be excellent in a good team. Free kicks Ill give you but assists is the most bogus stat going. Tap a ball a yard to the side for your teammate to smash it in from 35 yards, and you get an assist. Think we used stats like that when we bought him.. which just goes to show how using stats to rate a player can at times be a really daft thing to do. You only had to have watched Mbenza playing since he came to this club to form an opinion of his 'quality', attitude and application. And he has been utterly woeful. He had a brief spell last season when he wasn't shit. Wasn't anything that great, but wasn't shit. And thats as much as we got from him. He'd have been an utterly woeful signing if he'd cost ยฃ500k so that fact he cost somewhere north of ยฃ11 or 12m and has been draining the club of god knows how much money on a weekly basis ever since, just makes it even worse. A player who hides from the action. Who is supposed to be fast but never, NEVER even attempts to use this alleged pace. A player who would bottle out of a 50/50 against a 5 year old girl. A complete passenger who has somehow managed to become a highly paid pro footballer. If we end up lumbered with that waste of space for yet another year when we didn't have to, whilst we shovel many more hundreds of grand into his bulging bank account, then we have royally fucked up something rotten! Thanks Capn - you said more succinctly in one post what I was trying to say in several. I'd be interested to see a Sykeylad reply - I apologise in advance to him if I'm wrong but I think he might just be winding me/us up.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 30, 2021 18:19:24 GMT 1
He had a couple of.good.months. which isn't great in 3 years Still more than Pritchard managed though ๐ And about the same as your mate
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 30, 2021 18:30:46 GMT 1
Still more than Pritchard managed though ๐ And about the same as your mate And yet he still scored more goals and got more assists than the other midfielders that apparently play well all the time ๐ค๐ค๐ค
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 30, 2021 18:33:11 GMT 1
Eyes ใ nonsense
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 22:34:46 GMT 1
Championship sides haven't been buying many players have they. There's been a pandemic in case you have not noticed. He was joint 10th with assists in the league, in a poor side and injured 2nd half. Excellent with free kicks. Pace. He'd be excellent in a good team. Free kicks Ill give you but assists is the most bogus stat going. Tap a ball a yard to the side for your teammate to smash it in from 35 yards, and you get an assist. Think we used stats like that when we bought him.. which just goes to show how using stats to rate a player can at times be a really daft thing to do. You only had to have watched Mbenza playing since he came to this club to form an opinion of his 'quality', attitude and application. And he has been utterly woeful. He had a brief spell last season when he wasn't shit. Wasn't anything that great, but wasn't shit. And thats as much as we got from him. He'd have been an utterly woeful signing if he'd cost ยฃ500k so that fact he cost somewhere north of ยฃ11 or 12m and has been draining the club of god knows how much money on a weekly basis ever since, just makes it even worse. A player who hides from the action. Who is supposed to be fast but never, NEVER even attempts to use this alleged pace. A player who would bottle out of a 50/50 against a 5 year old girl. A complete passenger who has somehow managed to become a highly paid pro footballer. If we end up lumbered with that waste of space for yet another year when we didn't have to, whilst we shovel many more hundreds of grand into his bulging bank account, then we have royally fucked up something rotten! You make many valid points, but without him and his departed buddy we would be nestled in the lower reaches of League one right now.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 30, 2021 22:57:39 GMT 1
Well not really, as that presumes whoever would have played instead of them would have done absolutely nothing. One of the main reasons why we were so close to the drop was because those two , who between them accounted for almost all the transfer fee spent on the team, were so consistantly abject. I find the idea Mbenza kept us up last season a bit of a stretch to say the least when but for a short spell when he wasn't utterly useless , he was , well, utterly useless.
Bacuna does have ability. Just needs the 'Bacuna' coaching out of him and he'll be a very good player IMO. By 'the Bacuna' I mean the constant posing and treating every game like its his opportunity to fill a highlights reel with 'tekkers' rather than just being a good, effective player.
Maybe Stevie G is the boss who will finally do it? In which case I hope we have a decent sell on clause.
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Post by shawsie on Aug 30, 2021 23:14:16 GMT 1
Well not really, as that presumes whoever would have played instead of them would have done absolutely nothing. One of the main reasons why we were so close to the drop was because those two , who between them accounted for almost all the transfer fee spent on the team, were so consistantly abject. I find the idea Mbenza kept us up last season a bit of a stretch to say the least when but for a short spell when he wasn't utterly useless , he was , well, utterly useless. Bacuna does have ability. Just needs the 'Bacuna' coaching out of him and he'll be a very good player IMO. By 'the Bacuna' I mean the constant posing and treating every game like its his opportunity to fill a highlights reel with 'tekkers' rather than just being a good, effective player. Maybe Stevie G is the boss who will finally do it? In which case I hope we have a decent sell on clause. Has mbenza gone yet?! Please get rid of the buffoon one way or another - an absolute charlatan of a player who put bluntly didnt even appear to try at times and in 3 yrs plus had about 2-3m of performances which could ve described as adequate. Mostly - invisible, cowardly, cudnt be arsed are better descriptions. Totally agree re bacuna......big talent but has to shed the ego to deliver on it consistently but went straight into rangers squad this wkd.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 31, 2021 6:51:44 GMT 1
Well not really, as that presumes whoever would have played instead of them would have done absolutely nothing. One of the main reasons why we were so close to the drop was because those two , who between them accounted for almost all the transfer fee spent on the team, were so consistantly abject. I find the idea Mbenza kept us up last season a bit of a stretch to say the least when but for a short spell when he wasn't utterly useless , he was , well, utterly useless. Bacuna does have ability. Just needs the 'Bacuna' coaching out of him and he'll be a very good player IMO. By 'the Bacuna' I mean the constant posing and treating every game like its his opportunity to fill a highlights reel with 'tekkers' rather than just being a good, effective player. Maybe Stevie G is the boss who will finally do it? In which case I hope we have a decent sell on clause. So the replacements would still have had to contribute to 50% of our goals or would the other players miraculously suddenly started scoring and assisting, something they've consistently not done ๐ค
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 31, 2021 12:59:17 GMT 1
His agent isnโt stupid. Any fee we are hoping to receive Mbenza would obviously rather have himself. Weโre in a terrible negotiating position and he knows it. If the club looked at Mbenza and Bacuna as a package to offload, then Bacuna's fee allegedly ยฃ1.5m will approximately cover Mbenza's wages (I expect). On that basis, club can allow him to rot in the reserves for a year, and therefore negotiating stance is strong. If Mbenza does not play for a year, his negotiating stance with a new club will be much weakened. Depends on how you look it, I suppose. That's my understanding too. Effectively the Bacuna fee covers Mbenza's salary until the end of the contract if he stays. So even if he's still with the club 10 hours and 3 minutes from now, the decision/gamble to extend those two players' contracts is vindicated.
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Post by boooothy on Aug 31, 2021 13:00:59 GMT 1
We didnโt have to resign them both.
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Post by aca00js on Aug 31, 2021 13:08:45 GMT 1
If the club looked at Mbenza and Bacuna as a package to offload, then Bacuna's fee allegedly ยฃ1.5m will approximately cover Mbenza's wages (I expect). On that basis, club can allow him to rot in the reserves for a year, and therefore negotiating stance is strong. If Mbenza does not play for a year, his negotiating stance with a new club will be much weakened. Depends on how you look it, I suppose. That's my understanding too. Effectively the Bacuna fee covers Mbenza's salary until the end of the contract if he stays. So even if he's still with the club 10 hours and 3 minutes from now, the decision/gamble to extend those two players' contracts is vindicated. Not really, so we have triggered the two clauses to make money on them and will will end up sell one to cover the wages of a player that looks like will not be playing for us this season. Plus that wage could be much better spent on strengthening the squad.
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Post by midlander on Aug 31, 2021 13:12:30 GMT 1
That's my understanding too. Effectively the Bacuna fee covers Mbenza's salary until the end of the contract if he stays. So even if he's still with the club 10 hours and 3 minutes from now, the decision/gamble to extend those two players' contracts is vindicated. Not really, so we have triggered the two clauses to make money on them and will will end up sell one to cover the wages of a player that looks like will not be playing for us this season. Plus that wage could be much better spent on strengthening the squad. But, if we can shift Mbenza, then it all becomes worthwhile.
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Post by bluestripe on Aug 31, 2021 13:31:19 GMT 1
We didnโt have to resign them both. So you're saying the club was right to extend Bacuna but wrong to extend Mbenza?
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Post by Melc on Aug 31, 2021 13:47:48 GMT 1
Has the twat left yet? Does he not have any desire to try and play on a football pitch again this season.
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Post by kennyk2 on Aug 31, 2021 13:50:54 GMT 1
We didnโt have to resign them both. They didn't re-sign, we extended their contracts. If they had resigned they'd be gone.
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 31, 2021 13:58:07 GMT 1
Has the twat left yet? Does he not have any desire to try and play on a football pitch again this season. Letโs face facts, weโve been paying him more money than he could ever dream of. Heโs entitled to sit there and do nothing That was the risk we took. Personally bacuna at least would have added something to the squad if heโd not moved on. Mbenza??? Probably not. I suspect CC will tell him to stay away if he doesnโt go.
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