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Post by workshyfop on Dec 2, 2022 16:23:34 GMT 1
This made me laugh (whether true or not) and a cameo appearance from Lee Clark.
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Post by mosher on Dec 2, 2022 16:29:24 GMT 1
This made me laugh (whether true or not) and a cameo appearance from Lee Clark. When you wanna like something multiple times
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Post by morleyterrier on Feb 1, 2023 9:17:30 GMT 1
Congratulations to Newcastle for buying their way to a Cup Final.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 9:21:08 GMT 1
Congratulations to Newcastle for buying their way to a Cup Final. Sour. Take a look at the spending throughout the premier league yesterday and it makes their spending look quite controlled.
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Post by digs on Feb 1, 2023 9:34:31 GMT 1
Congratulations to Newcastle for buying their way to a Cup Final. Yeah,they should go down the HTFC route sign some old has beens and get into a relegation scrap,and bore the fans to death,
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 1, 2023 9:48:21 GMT 1
Congratulations to Newcastle for buying their way to a Cup Final. Sour. Take a look at the spending throughout the premier league yesterday and it makes their spending look quite controlled. Slates Newcastle's spending but not a word said about Chelsea spending £550m in 2 windows.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 1, 2023 10:03:31 GMT 1
Lots of clubs buy their way to success, but dont think Newcastle can be accused of it.. not yet anyway. I welcome it.. another club in the mix up at the top and at least they cant be accused of having a load of Jonny come lately fans like Citeh or Chelsea or glory fans all over the country like United or Liverpool.
I didnt have a problem when we bought our way out of League 1... different level, different amounts, but same principle.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 1, 2023 10:07:10 GMT 1
Sour. Take a look at the spending throughout the premier league yesterday and it makes their spending look quite controlled. Slates Newcastle's spending but not a word said about Chelsea spending £550m in 2 windows. It’s only a matter of time before they’re spaffing ridiculous sums of money like a few clubs before them. This will be marketed as them having joined the ‘elite’ of course. All part of the PL bandwagon…
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Post by irverino on Feb 1, 2023 10:40:07 GMT 1
Congratulations to Newcastle for buying their way to a Cup Final. This time last year they in the bottom three with a vast number of the same players who were on duty last night..........maybe some acknowledgment of Eddie Howe's ability as a top coach.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 1, 2023 11:05:59 GMT 1
Congratulations to Newcastle for buying their way to a Cup Final. This time last year they in the bottom three with a vast number of the same players who were on duty last night..........maybe some acknowledgment of Eddie Howe's ability as a top coach. hes doing a superb job. Surprised me cos I thought he'd struggle away from that small, homely Bournemouth set up he'd had for so long. Newcastle are an enormous club. If St James Park held 80,000 it would be sold out every game. I know a few of their fans since moving north and as I keep reminding them, the last time they won the title was the year after the last time Town did! Amazing really.
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Post by morleyterrier on Feb 1, 2023 11:11:02 GMT 1
Sour. Take a look at the spending throughout the premier league yesterday and it makes their spending look quite controlled. Slates Newcastle's spending but not a word said about Chelsea spending £550m in 2 windows. The thread title is Newcastle. Your comment belongs on a Chelsea thread.
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Post by morleyterrier on Feb 1, 2023 11:11:55 GMT 1
What was Howe's record at Newcastle before the money started?.
Exactly.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 1, 2023 11:24:48 GMT 1
What was Howe's record at Newcastle before the money started?. Exactly. They spent about £90m on 4 players in that jan window which is a lot but not excessively so for a PL club After not winning any of their first 14 games, he won 12 of their last 18 and finished 11th.
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Post by morleyterrier on Feb 1, 2023 11:29:38 GMT 1
What was Howe's record at Newcastle before the money started?. Exactly. They spent about £90m on 4 players in that jan window which is a lot but not excessively so for a PL club After not winning any of their first 14 games, he won 12 of their last 18 and finished 11th. Obviously not spent as much as some other Clubs, none the less, the facts are the results changed when the money arrived and signings started. That is fact and not opinion. He couldn't get a win before the money started thus I believe my point is valid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 11:30:03 GMT 1
What was Howe's record at Newcastle before the money started?. Exactly. They spent about £90m on 4 players in that jan window which is a lot but not excessively so for a PL club After not winning any of their first 14 games, he won 12 of their last 18 and finished 11th. Yep, look how much Saints and Bmuff spent this window, staring relegation in the face.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 11:32:27 GMT 1
They spent about £90m on 4 players in that jan window which is a lot but not excessively so for a PL club After not winning any of their first 14 games, he won 12 of their last 18 and finished 11th. Obviously not spent as much as some other Clubs, none the less, the facts are the results changed when the money arrived and signings started. That is fact and not opinion. He couldn't get a win before the money started thus I believe my point is valid. Is that not the case with most levels of football or sport in general? With occasional exceptions the bigger budgets outperform the smaller ones? Your statement is clearly ill thought and to suit your own agenda.
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 1, 2023 11:34:24 GMT 1
Eddie Howe has always been a top manager/coach. Newcastle appointed well when it looked like someone who could splaff loads of money would be the most obvious choice.
Always rated Almiron too, even when out of form and playing with a jaded team it was clear he hadn't just become a shit player overnight. Ditto Sorba Thomas.
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 1, 2023 11:36:07 GMT 1
Morleyterrier should ask his Leeds mates how much they've spent, cos it's not massively different to Newcastle.
Circa £333m since they went up.
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 1, 2023 11:36:18 GMT 1
Though, before anyone chimes in, Almiron is levels ahead of Thomas, obvs.
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Post by morleyterrier on Feb 1, 2023 11:40:37 GMT 1
Obviously not spent as much as some other Clubs, none the less, the facts are the results changed when the money arrived and signings started. That is fact and not opinion. He couldn't get a win before the money started thus I believe my point is valid. Is that not the case with most levels of football or sport in general? With occasional exceptions the bigger budgets outperform the smaller ones? Your statement is clearly ill thought and to suit your own agenda. Ill thought and agenda?. My thoughts are irrelevant here. I am merely stating a fact that the money has bought them some success. Howe's record at Newcastle was shocking before the money arrived. Argue with that all you want.
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 1, 2023 11:44:23 GMT 1
What was the time period between Howe taking the job and The Saudis getting the green light to take over. There wasn't a lot in it, I seem to remember.
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 1, 2023 11:49:52 GMT 1
What was the time period between Howe taking the job and The Saudis getting the green light to take over. There wasn't a lot in it, I seem to remember. Howe joined the club on 8 November 2021. Worth remembering the absolute shitshow he took over from Steve Bruce. He missed his first game with covid. He guided Newcastle to an 11th place finish in the Premier League after winning 12 in the last 18 games of the season, and made sure Newcastle became the first team in Premier League history to avoid relegation after not winning any of the first 14 games they played. On 7 October 2021, the Public Investment Fund, PCP Capital Partners and RB Sports & Media confirmed that they had officially completed the acquisition of Newcastle United.
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Post by morleyterrier on Feb 1, 2023 11:50:23 GMT 1
Morleyterrier should ask his Leeds mates how much they've spent, cos it's not massively different to Newcastle. Circa £333m since they went up. How about you make some points re Newcastle on a Newcastle thread and counter my point?. I know why, because you can't. Unsurprisingly on a Newcastle thread I haven't mentioned any of the following clubs also who have also spent money and in many cases bought success (please remind me to do so moving forward): Barcelona Bayern Munich PSG Real Madrid Juventus Man City Man Utd Liverpool Al Nassr Have I missed any?.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 1, 2023 11:59:09 GMT 1
They spent about £90m on 4 players in that jan window which is a lot but not excessively so for a PL club After not winning any of their first 14 games, he won 12 of their last 18 and finished 11th. Obviously not spent as much as some other Clubs, none the less, the facts are the results changed when the money arrived and signings started. That is fact and not opinion. He couldn't get a win before the money started thus I believe my point is valid. Its valid in that signing those 4 players obviously made a big difference from January onwards, but I think its fair to say he'd stopped the rot before then. His record from taking over in November to the window opening was W 1, D 3, L 4,, but the 4 defeats were away at Arsenal, Leicester, and Liverpool and a home loss to man city.. so tough fixtures.
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Post by morleyterrier on Feb 1, 2023 12:05:43 GMT 1
Obviously not spent as much as some other Clubs, none the less, the facts are the results changed when the money arrived and signings started. That is fact and not opinion. He couldn't get a win before the money started thus I believe my point is valid. Its valid in that signing those 4 players obviously made a big difference from January onwards, but I think its fair to say he'd stopped the rot before then. His record from taking over in November to the window opening was W 1, D 3, L 4,, but the 4 defeats were away at Arsenal, Leicester, and Liverpool and a home loss to man city.. so tough fixtures. Four key signings would change the fortunes of most Clubs Captain. Anyway, Newcastle are of course not the first, they are just the next on a list of Clubs where success is 'earned' by spending money. In my opinion, the Managers that deserve recognition and plaudits are those that maximise every bit from the (average) Players they have to work with and make them better. These are the truly great Managers. Not hand picking the best Players from around the world.
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 1, 2023 12:06:49 GMT 1
Morleyterrier should ask his Leeds mates how much they've spent, cos it's not massively different to Newcastle. Circa £333m since they went up. How about you make some points re Newcastle on a Newcastle thread and counter my point?. I know why, because you can't. Unsurprisingly on a Newcastle thread I haven't mentioned any of the following clubs also who have also spent money and in many cases bought success (please remind me to do so moving forward): Barcelona Bayern Munich PSG Real Madrid Juventus Man City Man Utd Liverpool Al Nassr Have I missed any?. Various people have countered your points but you choose to ignore the absolute fucking obvious. Multiple Premier League clubs have spent vast fortunes, yet you repeatedly single out Newcastle and have a sulk about it when they aren't even the biggest offenders. Yes it's a thread titled Newcastle but really its a thread about their takeover and money. Obviously other clubs will be mentioned as Newcastle don't operate in isolation. Although it wouldn't bother me you can make valid points about the origin of the funding and if you were doing that fair enough, but arguing that they've bought success when they've still spent less than a fair few others they are competing with, were starting from a lower point and will probably lose a Carabao Cup final anyway to an even bigger spender in Man U is daft. Then to discredit to job Howe has done and how wisely the money seems to have been spent is even dafter. We'd all love it if money was less of a driving force behind almost everything in football, cos ultimately that would give HTFC more chance of success, but thats not the case and probably never will be. Would you therefore prefer it if Man U, Man C, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool just won everything in England forever without challenge?
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Post by paullow1 on Feb 1, 2023 12:25:37 GMT 1
Just about to say similar CS
Howe's first matches were:
Brentford H - draw - entertaining game which he missed due to having covid Arsenal A - obviously tough Norwich H - draw - down to 10 men after 9 mins (Joelinton then going into midfield for the first time...). One of the easier matches on paper, but a decent point under the circumstances, one you'd certainly have settled for after the early dismissal. Burnley H - won Leicester A - tough match - they were 8th in the league and finished 5th and won the FA Cup only 6 months earlier and had a much better team / squad Liverpool A - loss - no explanation needed Man City H - loss - see above Man Utd H - draw. By far the better team, really should have won, but a definite step in the right direction.
So that is a very tough start to a managerial campaign by anyone's standards. We'd already passed up so many much more 'winnable' matches under the previous regime. Not long later Howe took 19 points from 21, but those 7 matches were Leeds, Everton, Villa, West Ham, Brentford, Brighton, Southampton - much more generous, especially after having time to actually work with and get to know your players, not to mention the massively increased fitness levels, which, similar to West Brom earlier this season, were seemingly neglected under Brucey.
90m (last January) isn't even that much, relatively, these days - Bournemouth have spent £50m on two players - will they suddenly win 12 of their final 18 matches? Doubt it. Bruno didn't start until that Southampton match on March 10th (the last of that 7 match sequence), the overpriced Chris Wood has since left the club to join another struggling side, Targett, who couldn't get a game for midtable Villa, hence his loan, did do well, but he can barely start now, and obviously isn't a world beater. Trippier and Burn made a big difference early on, but the latter is hardly a galactico and was behind Dunk, Duffy, and Webster at mid table Brighton. Obviously the takeover helped, increased competition with the signings is always welcome, and the whole mindset of the club and the general atmosphere changed, it would be a fool to say otherwise, but, believe it or not, you are allowed to buy players in January (one of the two designated windows), and all things considered, the turnaround has been nothing short of remarkable, and Howe deserves massive credit, and for most parts, is getting it. Absolutely brilliant manager.
It feels like I've typed the above out, probably word for word, at least 4 times on here during the past 12 months, haha, and many Town fans think and say similar, but whether it's a deep rooted dislike of the club in general, or whether it is down to where the money has come from (even though, relatively, it hasn't even been that excessive), there definitely are 2 or 3 particularly bitter posters on here who obviously have their minds made up and will themselves continue to repeat the same things over and over.
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Post by morleyterrier on Feb 1, 2023 12:31:19 GMT 1
How about you make some points re Newcastle on a Newcastle thread and counter my point?. I know why, because you can't. Unsurprisingly on a Newcastle thread I haven't mentioned any of the following clubs also who have also spent money and in many cases bought success (please remind me to do so moving forward): Barcelona Bayern Munich PSG Real Madrid Juventus Man City Man Utd Liverpool Al Nassr Have I missed any?. Various people have countered your points but you choose to ignore the absolute fucking obvious. Multiple Premier League clubs have spent vast fortunes, yet you repeatedly single out Newcastle and have a sulk about it when they aren't even the biggest offenders. Yes it's a thread titled Newcastle but really its a thread about their takeover and money. Obviously other clubs will be mentioned as Newcastle don't operate in isolation. Although it wouldn't bother me you can make valid points about the origin of the funding and if you were doing that fair enough, but arguing that they've bought success when they've still spent less than a fair few others they are competing with, were starting from a lower point and will probably lose a Carabao Cup final anyway to an even bigger spender in Man U is daft. Then to discredit to job Howe has done and how wisely the money seems to have been spent is even dafter. We'd all love it if money was less of a driving force behind almost everything in football, cos ultimately that would give HTFC more chance of success, but thats not the case and probably never will be. Would you therefore prefer it if Man U, Man C, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool just won everything in England forever without challenge? Well that was hard work. Yes various People have countered re Newcastle but you hadn't. You just kept banging on about other Clubs. Finally you have offered something. Answer me this, what were Newcastle doing before the money arrived and what are they doing now?. The amount they have spent compared to others is irrelevant in the context of my point. Has the money spent changed Howe's record and seen Newcastle start winning matches or hasn't it?. Just a yes or no please so we can draw a line under that one. We agree that we would like to see less silly money in football (and this is why I despise the Premier League, I watch plenty of National League, Championship, League 1 and 2 which I thoroughly enjoy). I would also hate Town to buy success and have such as the Newcastle (or any other mega-rich Clubs money). Yes a bit more money than we have now would be nice. I was also absolutely gutted when the European Super League fell through. I want these Clubs (rich owners toys) to piss off and do their own thing.
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 1, 2023 12:34:57 GMT 1
You'd swear black was white. I'm out.
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Post by digs on Feb 1, 2023 13:50:08 GMT 1
So fucking what if Newcastle are spending money to build a team to compete in the Premier League,it's long overdue, they were unlucky not to be champions of England in the 90s when they were the most entertaining team in the land,they have the ground and fanbase,let them have a crack at it
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