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Post by 28901 on Nov 24, 2021 23:40:51 GMT 1
Not sure what people think Corberan should've done differently the substitutes. We were 0-0 when Campbell came on and 0-0 when Thomas came on. He's not got alot to really go with from the bench. Odubeko hasn't really shown any ability to hold up the ball in the game time he's had and I'd assume the manager has seen him in training and gone with Campbell over him because he thought the same. Wouldn't have subbed Wa3Rd myself mind. Taken Sinani off for Thomas and switched Koroma to the left where he was much more effective early on and always has been. Stuck Nabby Sarr up front after they scored for Turton and gone 3 at the back.
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Post by detox on Nov 24, 2021 23:55:55 GMT 1
That would have been extremely soft Agreed, however VAR gives that, arm miles away from his body and takes it away from the town man. I think the push on the final corner was more clear cut..
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Post by 28901 on Nov 25, 2021 0:00:52 GMT 1
I cant remember any after the first few minutes. Are you not counting the header at the death? Feck me Ted I'd have saved that.
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Post by Orinoco on Nov 25, 2021 0:03:22 GMT 1
The main difference from last season is defence. We are far more solid at the back. But I actually think going forward we have got even worse. We either dont have a clue, or we dont have enough quality and I think its the latter. We have strikers who dont contribute enough. Ward and Campbell are not going to score enough goals between them, and its simply not good enough for a striker to not contribute goals. Their 1 job is to score and they arent doing it. We have almost no creativity in midfield when Thomas isnt on his game, and despite a valiant attempt to keep QPR out, ultimately we couldnt and they deservedly won the game. Aside from the *really* bad run of defeats around January and February last season, we were good going forward and rarely had a problem scoring- there was only one team in the bottom half that scored more goals than we did (Blackburn). We have definitely got a bit worse in that regard but the transformation from the biggest conceders last season to one of the best defences in the league this season, it's a remarkable achievement. The away tactics are always going to throw up results like this, where we played quite well in parts but still lost, and Cardiff, where we didn't. But then also there's been some good smash and grabs in there- Sheff United and Blackpool for example. Both a while ago now though so I am hoping for a bit of a change of tack as the season goes on, particularly if we're not in much risk of reaching the playoffs or going down. Next season is about balancing the good bits of this and last season, I think the ingredients are all there. Have to agree with this post, next couple of months will be interesting, what happens with ownership of club, what happens in the January window, outgoings more than incomings. Tepid is right, we wont be contending promotion or relegation.
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Post by bleaklow on Nov 25, 2021 0:05:40 GMT 1
QPR had several players who are more technically gifted than ours - their passing was much quicker and more accurate than what we produce. But when you have a player like Sinani who is a passenger for much of the game, then you're going to be up against it. I haven't a clue what the management see in him. In January we need a Premiership loan to replace him, plus a dynamic midfielder. If the Board can't see this, then you can say goodbye to any chance of being in the top six.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 0:10:18 GMT 1
He doesn't rate a striker (Harratt) who has scored in 11 games in a row for the B team? Surely a natural goalscorer has to be worth a place on the bench. Diarra and Harrat are class for B team, obviously a lot tougher at league level, but how old do you have to be in a 1st team squad now? Certainly changed to what it used to be. Harratt doing brilliant, Mipo doing what exactly? I mean it shouldn't even be down to these to be sought after to come in really. The position is non existent. Ward is great at running and chasing down, Campbell is too. He can't score, predator instinct non existent. When Campbell was 10 yards out and it got trapped under him, a proper striker would have wellies it first time across the keeper We need a proper scorer in Jan, no ifs or buts. We have the old school Novak run around, we need a 2021 Jordan Rhodes poacher. Thus needing to spend some money
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Post by Orinoco on Nov 25, 2021 0:37:29 GMT 1
Diarra and Harrat are class for B team, obviously a lot tougher at league level, but how old do you have to be in a 1st team squad now? Certainly changed to what it used to be. Harratt doing brilliant, Mipo doing what exactly? I mean it shouldn't even be down to these to be sought after to come in really. The position is non existent. Ward is great at running and chasing down, Campbell is too. He can't score, predator instinct non existent. When Campbell was 10 yards out and it got trapped under him, a proper striker would have wellies it first time across the keeper We need a proper scorer in Jan, no ifs or buts. We have the old school Novak run around, we need a 2021 Jordan Rhodes poacher. Thus needing to spend some money People seem to to think money will be splashed out in January, personally i cannot see it.
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Post by turbo2 on Nov 25, 2021 0:38:21 GMT 1
Diarra and Harrat are class for B team, obviously a lot tougher at league level, but how old do you have to be in a 1st team squad now? Certainly changed to what it used to be. Harratt doing brilliant, Mipo doing what exactly? I mean it shouldn't even be down to these to be sought after to come in really. The position is non existent. Ward is great at running and chasing down, Campbell is too. He can't score, predator instinct non existent. When Campbell was 10 yards out and it got trapped under him, a proper striker would have wellies it first time across the keeper We need a proper scorer in Jan, no ifs or buts. We have the old school Novak run around, we need a 2021 Jordan Rhodes poacher. Thus needing to spend some money Not sure we do need a Rhodes type. When you play one up front they’ve got to be able to bring others into play. Thought ward did well again tonight. Very difficult and not sure we can afford the type of striker required to play that position and also score the goals. I’d personally like to see us try two up top as o don’t think we can rely on defenders and midfielders to get the goals we need
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Post by Ibiza Town on Nov 25, 2021 0:41:34 GMT 1
Just back from the game. Both teams both played as if they weren't very sure about what they were doing.
Qpr had their chances, but in terms of quality, they weren't much better than us, a team with an incisive and aggressive attack would have ripped them apart. Shame we dont have one
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Post by yorkshiretripod on Nov 25, 2021 1:09:14 GMT 1
I appreciate we've had better results this season than last but I watch these games and I see little difference from last season's performances. They walk amongst us! Yep. Like QPR did for the winner. I guess I've not seen the games where we've done what they did to us tonight. It was a fair result, I just felt we had spells that showed we could get at them but lacked any punch, and from the games I've managed to see this season, it's a recurring theme. You're right Kenny, I've become a part-timer, and probably expect too much.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 25, 2021 1:22:50 GMT 1
I thought it was a good game. Two teams showing plenty of quality but both lacking that cutting edge up top.
For me we deserved something from the game and we got in enough good positions that we should have done.
One 'moment' was going to win the game and sadly for us it was QPR who had it.
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Post by evidentlychickentown on Nov 25, 2021 1:23:51 GMT 1
The two stand out players for them were Johansen and Dunne especially the former who sprayed the ball about from midfield with genuine class. The sort of player Town desperately need (oh and a predator striker to get on the end of those sort of passes) other than that there wasn’t too much between the sides and again Town defended well which made conceding a goal like that especially annoying. That was the type of goal we conceded all the time last season - a ball into the 6 yard box and an unchallenged header - and I thought we had eliminated that. Not sure why Sarr was dropped after Saturdays MoM performance and one suspects that he might have prevented such a free header. Oh well, water under the bridge, we remain a very competitive side in this division and the days of Town being a soft touch seem to be well and truly over. We seem to be able to put defeats behind us so roll on Saturday.
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Post by worthington on Nov 25, 2021 1:26:04 GMT 1
Just got back.
Town started really well, looked fluent in attack down the left and played through QPR midfield quite easily. Ward was lively linked the play well. But at some point, around 20 mins, Town just stopped attacking, gave QPR the ball and were limited to sporadic forays forward. And then with QPR attacking in neat triangles down their left as they always do, Turton retreated to share right back duties with Pearson and a right pair of cloggers they looked (there was a scene late in the match where Turton, Pearson and Lees were running back after a corner and all three, clearly knackered, looked like guys with really short legs that would never take them far quickly). Koroma then came across to the right and Sinani (for whom Turton had been no help at all when town had the chance to attack down the right) went left, where he disappeared for the rest of the game, as did Koroma. I said to my QPR supporting friend at half time that you can see why they win more than they lose. They were neat without being very threatening, but ready to pass it around all night knowing that a goal would come . Which it did. And above all they looked like they wanted to win the game.
Second half town again began brightly but gave up attacking after 5 mins this time, and became more disjointed as the game went on, save for some thrusts from O'Brien which released Sinani down the left a couple of times. Ward seemed to tire and was replaced by Campbell who ran about aimlessly, and Koroma by Thomas, who did nothing.
Colwill was imperious at the back, and looked far too good for this team, as, most of the time, did O'Brien.
All this is a shame because with a bit more belief and will to win, and realisation that QPR are nothing special, Town could have won this game, as they showed after QPR scored on 80 mins.
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Post by Orinoco on Nov 25, 2021 2:23:00 GMT 1
I thought it was a good game. Two teams showing plenty of quality but both lacking that cutting edge up top. For me we deserved something from the game and we got in enough good positions that we should have done. One 'moment' was going to win the game and sadly for us it was QPR who had it. That about sums up the game from my perspective also.
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Post by melbourneterrier on Nov 25, 2021 2:42:41 GMT 1
Has Campbells time come?
I don't think he has scored once this season. He doesn't really create. Sure he runs around alot, but is that enough at Championship level? I have no doubt that he is a great personality to have in the dressing room like, but...
At this stage, I'd love to see a Harrat get a chance. I'm not so sure what else he can do at B team level to be given a chance
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Post by Convictatthemac on Nov 25, 2021 2:52:04 GMT 1
Didn’t get to watch the game, but just had a look at the extended highlights. The goal we conceded, midfielder runs in and stands centrally on the 6 yard line for 5 seconds and nobody closes him down. I don’t think I really need to write how I feel about that, I think everyone would think exactly the same on the defending there.
We really need to sort some chance creation and even more so need to sort a decent striker. It’s the same issue going forwards as the second half of last year. Needs sorting.
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Post by westislandterrier on Nov 25, 2021 2:53:21 GMT 1
So we start the week with an excellent win at home to WBA... Lose midweek away to QPR... Town being Town are the stars aligning to HTAFC giving Westie a point on Saturday in a draw v Middlesbrough....
That’s if I get to the match.... massive storm coming in the early hours of Friday (60-70mph) ferries gonna definitely be cancelled and Saturday also - myself and ma three comrades having to scuttle of The West Island tomorrow and do a night in Glasgow - I guess it breaks up the journey but still not ideal for one who had to take an extra day off work...
Ach well, the joys, the joys of Living on an Island (Reminds me of a good Status Quo song that) !
Worth it for The Love of Town tho !!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 4:53:42 GMT 1
I thought it was a good game. Two teams showing plenty of quality but both lacking that cutting edge up top. For me we deserved something from the game and we got in enough good positions that we should have done. One 'moment' was going to win the game and sadly for us it was QPR who had it. That about sums up the game from my perspective also. Agree very tightly contested and while we are all well most of us are disappointed with the result the performance was decent good work rate and spirit with some good team work . Some in my opinion just like to,pick fault there is no middle ground we havnt the quality of the top sides but as against wba we are capable of getting good results but in this division any result is possible . Overall we are doing well with twenty seven games to play Hull etc lost five on the trot won the last three derbybest Bournemouth and draw at Fulham etc I've no idea how it will pan out come may but with respect no one else does either! Uttk
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Post by bigtruck on Nov 25, 2021 7:33:18 GMT 1
Qpr look a definite team for the top 6,we gave them a game and matched them first half but they were simply better than us.That chance in the 1st minute,the flag was up but we could easily have taken the lead in the first half Again, this shouldn't be forgotten. We didn't just get bummed in the gob by a bunch of no-hopers. We gave a very good side a very good game. You know those games when you say "they were shit but we were worse"? Well, we were good, but they were better. And not by much. Few pundits had them below top 6 at the start of this season and few will have changed their mind. Conversely we have MASSIVELY exceeded expectations so far. That’s the issue though. QPR aren’t that good. It’s just, bar Fulham and Bournemouth and maybe WBA, this is a really shit division this year. I mean Coventry are up there FFS. If that was us v Fulham last night, you’d take that as a plucky defeat. But not QPR.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Nov 25, 2021 7:34:00 GMT 1
2 points from the last 18 available away from home. It would appear that we need to have a rethink on how we approach away games
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 25, 2021 7:51:29 GMT 1
We're solid defensively but attacking from open play we're crap and that showed last night. Even with some on the injured players back it won't be any different. I can't believe people can't see this. The squad is bang average producing bang average results it's just that we don't concede a shed load of goals anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 8:07:03 GMT 1
QPR had several players who are more technically gifted than ours - their passing was much quicker and more accurate than what we produce. But when you have a player like Sinani who is a passenger for much of the game, then you're going to be up against it. I haven't a clue what the management see in him. In January we need a Premiership loan to replace him, plus a dynamic midfielder. If the Board can't see this, then you can say goodbye to any chance of being in the top six. Views on Sinani are obviously mixed,however we are nowhere near a top 6 side in my view and spending money doesn't seem to be on the agenda
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Post by jqhtfc on Nov 25, 2021 8:40:51 GMT 1
It’s just very frustrating as we’ve shown at times especially at at home we can play abit, however away we adopt these tactics that’s just aren’t working. As others have said this league bar the top two really isn’t any any good, a rethink of tactics away from home could see us right up there just because most teams seems around the same level.
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Post by kennyk2 on Nov 25, 2021 8:44:15 GMT 1
Yep. Like QPR did for the winner. I guess I've not seen the games where we've done what they did to us tonight. It was a fair result, I just felt we had spells that showed we could get at them but lacked any punch, and from the games I've managed to see this season, it's a recurring theme. You're right Kenny, I've become a part-timer, and probably expect too much. Quite remarkable the position we are in with a team of journeymen, out of contract players, 18-yr-old PL loans, having hardly spent a button on transfer fees. We matched QPR for most of the game last night with a team built on defence and breaking quickly. Where it fell down for us was after LOB drove past players in midfield, other players didn't have the nouse or skills needed to break down their last line of defence. We had to take our chances last night if we were going to get anything out of the game, and we didn't. JR may be the man, but if he isn't our striker policy will need to be reappraised.
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Post by digs on Nov 25, 2021 9:03:27 GMT 1
Unless Campbell preforms miracles,then we can't go into next year with a striker that Hogg as scored twice as many as.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 9:03:33 GMT 1
We're solid defensively but attacking from open play we're crap and that showed last night. Even with some on the injured players back it won't be any different. I can't believe people can't see this. The squad is bang average producing bang average results it's just that we don't concede a shed load of goals anymore. I agree we're bang average, i dont agree we have produced bang average results, think to be where we are which is nowhere near the relegation zone is a massive improvement, loads more solid at the back largely down to Nicholls we lose 4-0 with Schofield last night. People just need to be realistic if we finish 12th is a big improvement.
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Post by durhamterrier on Nov 25, 2021 9:04:25 GMT 1
Has Campbells time come? I don't think he has scored once this season. He doesn't really create. Sure he runs around alot, but is that enough at Championship level? I have no doubt that he is a great personality to have in the dressing room like, but... At this stage, I'd love to see a Harrat get a chance. I'm not so sure what else he can do at B team level to be given a chance Think this is unfair - he’s not played much and when he has he’s usually given a task to defend a lead . Nearly scored a screamer against Birmingham and worked his bollocks off against West Brom . Biggest issue for me is getting our strikers - whoever is chosen - several chances a game in the box . Our threat is set pieces or counter attacking and against teams who sit back we carry much less clout . We should have been 2 or 3 up yesterday in the first half with higher quality crosses / passes . Then again qpr should have been more ruthless in their shots!
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Post by richhtfc on Nov 25, 2021 9:05:21 GMT 1
QPR had several players who are more technically gifted than ours - their passing was much quicker and more accurate than what we produce. But when you have a player like Sinani who is a passenger for much of the game, then you're going to be up against it. I haven't a clue what the management see in him. In January we need a Premiership loan to replace him, plus a dynamic midfielder. If the Board can't see this, then you can say goodbye to any chance of being in the top six. He created the best chance of the night for us when he put ward in and scored in the last two games? I really can’t see what it is that some people can’t see in him.
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Post by yorkie69 on Nov 25, 2021 9:08:10 GMT 1
Agreed, however VAR gives that, arm miles away from his body and takes it away from the town man. I think the push on the final corner was more clear cut.. The handball was definitely a penalty but I think the push is one you rarely get. Just look at Sarr’s shove in the back of the WBA player on Saturday which I would say was also a clear cut penalty. Thankfully the ref didn’t give it.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 25, 2021 9:08:11 GMT 1
Unless Campbell preforms miracles,then we can't go into next year with a striker that Hogg as scored twice as many as. Such a shame it’s not crown green bowls, otherwise we could try and entice a former champion out of retirement?
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