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Post by captainblack on Nov 25, 2021 9:17:01 GMT 1
Harratt doing brilliant, Mipo doing what exactly? I mean it shouldn't even be down to these to be sought after to come in really. The position is non existent. Ward is great at running and chasing down, Campbell is too. He can't score, predator instinct non existent. When Campbell was 10 yards out and it got trapped under him, a proper striker would have wellies it first time across the keeper We need a proper scorer in Jan, no ifs or buts. We have the old school Novak run around, we need a 2021 Jordan Rhodes poacher. Thus needing to spend some money People seem to to think money will be splashed out in January, personally i cannot see it. I am of the same opinion, but if LOB goes in January , will we invest the money back into the squad? My guess is we will spend some of the money for LOB's replacement and probably replace Mipo with another on loan striker. I just cannot see us really spending a great deal in January.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 25, 2021 9:19:33 GMT 1
On the plus side it wasn’t a performance without promise, or players not putting a shift in. We’re just not the finished article yet, and when that happens who knows???
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Post by bigtruck on Nov 25, 2021 9:40:29 GMT 1
On the plus side it wasn’t a performance without promise, or players not putting a shift in. We’re just not the finished article yet, and when that happens who knows??? 11th? 😉🤔
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 9:44:54 GMT 1
People seem to to think money will be splashed out in January, personally i cannot see it. I am of the same opinion, but if LOB goes in January , will we invest the money back into the squad? My guess is we will spend some of the money for LOB's replacement and probably replace Mipo with another on loan striker. I just cannot see us really spending a great deal in January. If LOB goes, Hogg is back, Vallejo is back and High performing, do we need to replace him? Russell breaking through too hopefully by then If we are floating in or just below the playoffs, it would be criminal not to invest in at least one striker, scoring goals, be it division below maybe.
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Post by detox on Nov 25, 2021 9:49:41 GMT 1
QPR had several players who are more technically gifted than ours - their passing was much quicker and more accurate than what we produce. But when you have a player like Sinani who is a passenger for much of the game, then you're going to be up against it. I haven't a clue what the management see in him. In January we need a Premiership loan to replace him, plus a dynamic midfielder. If the Board can't see this, then you can say goodbye to any chance of being in the top six. Views on Sinani are obviously mixed,however we are nowhere near a top 6 side in my view and spending money doesn't seem to be on the agenda We weren't helped by our atrocious corners and free kicks. Earlier this season we were scoring for fun when Thomas took them. Sinani was poor and sadly Thomas has just lost it
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Post by Uddersfield on Nov 25, 2021 9:54:36 GMT 1
Thought that Ilias Chair up front for them was different class. Impressed with Dickie and Johansen as well.
Not a result I feel too badly about. Got 2 very much winnable games to coming up. Let's hope some players return back from injury ASAP i.e. Pipa, Rhodes etc.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Nov 25, 2021 10:01:40 GMT 1
We're solid defensively but attacking from open play we're crap and that showed last night. Even with some on the injured players back it won't be any different. I can't believe people can't see this. The squad is bang average producing bang average results it's just that we don't concede a shed load of goals anymore. Agree with the first sentence but disagree on the second. Pipa on top form down the right would make a huge difference to this team. I also think we’d have got more of a foothold in the game with Hogg playing. O Brien and High played well but they passed through our midfield quite easily. This two with Hogg would given us more of a platform to attack from, although probably no more threat going forward.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Nov 25, 2021 10:08:42 GMT 1
I was pleased with the effort, delighted with the defence (so much better this season), and like everybody else frustrated with the missing killer punch. If we only had a Mitrovic or a Solanke what a difference it would make.
If we do sign a striker in January it will probably come from a lower division club, as was the case with Stewart and Wells for example. Not necessarily a bad thing as they would be eager to perform in the Championship. Meanwhile we carry on, bring on the boro.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 10:18:46 GMT 1
Not sure what people think Corberan should've done differently the substitutes. We were 0-0 when Campbell came on and 0-0 when Thomas came on. He's not got alot to really go with from the bench. Odubeko hasn't really shown any ability to hold up the ball in the game time he's had and I'd assume the manager has seen him in training and gone with Campbell over him because he thought the same. Wouldn't have subbed Wa3Rd myself mind. Taken Sinani off for Thomas and switched Koroma to the left where he was much more effective early on and always has been. Is there any explanation whatsoever as to why we switched them so early on and then played the game with them both playing ineffectively out of position in each others position? I get why we'd do a short term tactical switch within a game, but for them to just stay in the 'wrong' position made no sense whatsoever to me. It totally negated their attacking ability, and its not as though it shored us up any more defensively.
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Post by 28901 on Nov 25, 2021 10:20:27 GMT 1
Thought that Ilias Chair up front for them was different class. Impressed with Dickie and Johansen as well. Not a result I feel too badly about. Got 2 very much winnable games to coming up. Let's hope some players return back from injury ASAP i.e. Pipa, Rhodes etc. We never beat Boro and Barnsley are utter shit at the moment and you know what that means.
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Post by 28901 on Nov 25, 2021 10:23:01 GMT 1
Taken Sinani off for Thomas and switched Koroma to the left where he was much more effective early on and always has been. Is there any explanation whatsoever as to why we switched them so early on and then played the game with them both playing ineffectively out of position in each others position? I get why we'd do a short term tactical switch within a game, but for them to just stay in the 'wrong' position made no sense whatsoever to me. It totally negated their attacking ability, and its not as though it shored us up any more defensively. Absolutely no idea. Thats what I mean about Corberon. He doesn't respond to the bleeding obvious. Its like he has one idea and thats it, were stuck with it
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 10:23:23 GMT 1
I normally defend Sinani, but last night I don't know how he stayed on. His passing was piss poor. Gave it away numerous times, one time putting them through on goal. Delivery on a corner not getting past the front post. I'd have took him off personally, he wouldn't be starting for me next game
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Post by Uddersfield on Nov 25, 2021 10:23:34 GMT 1
Thought that Ilias Chair up front for them was different class. Impressed with Dickie and Johansen as well. Not a result I feel too badly about. Got 2 very much winnable games to coming up. Let's hope some players return back from injury ASAP i.e. Pipa, Rhodes etc. We never beat Boro abd Barnsley are utter shit at the moment and you know what that means. Yeah you have a point
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 25, 2021 10:32:59 GMT 1
Thought that Ilias Chair up front for them was different class. Impressed with Dickie and Johansen as well. Not a result I feel too badly about. Got 2 very much winnable games to coming up. Let's hope some players return back from injury ASAP i.e. Pipa, Rhodes etc. We never beat Boro and Barnsley are utter shit at the moment and you know what that means. That’s what loads of people were saying about WBA before the game.
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Post by specialun on Nov 25, 2021 10:40:59 GMT 1
0-1 away at QPR not end of the world, some positives
Chair is a different class, different level to any of our attacking players
But if you play so defensively, don’t score many and the opposition still have 45 shots in 2 games then you’re going to lose more than you win…
2 points from 18 away is a concern - injuries, away form, gradual move to a negative approach etc is what we saw at the start of the down turn in November last season.
No idea why we can’t have both Koroma and Thomas on the pitch - other than it’s too attacking for Carlos
Two winnable games coming up to keep the points ticking over
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 25, 2021 10:43:19 GMT 1
Again, this shouldn't be forgotten. We didn't just get bummed in the gob by a bunch of no-hopers. We gave a very good side a very good game. You know those games when you say "they were shit but we were worse"? Well, we were good, but they were better. And not by much. Few pundits had them below top 6 at the start of this season and few will have changed their mind. Conversely we have MASSIVELY exceeded expectations so far. That’s the issue though. QPR aren’t that good. It’s just, bar Fulham and Bournemouth and maybe WBA, this is a really shit division this year. I mean Coventry are up there FFS. If that was us v Fulham last night, you’d take that as a plucky defeat. But not QPR. I dont see it as a shit division. You've got a couple of standout teams at the top, but then pretty much everyone else is on a similar level. That doesnt make it shit.. just extremely competitive. Imo the football in the 1st half last night was of a very high standard from both sides by championship terms. Game got a bit nervy in the second half when it became clear one lapse would cost either side the game. But overall the passing, movement, technical skill were of a high standard as was the defending. Where it wasn't high standard was that final bit of finishing in front of goal, and its probably that piece of the jigsaw that makes the top 2 stand out from the rest.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Nov 25, 2021 10:50:07 GMT 1
Thought that Ilias Chair up front for them was different class. Impressed with Dickie and Johansen as well. Not a result I feel too badly about. Got 2 very much winnable games to coming up. Let's hope some players return back from injury ASAP i.e. Pipa, Rhodes etc. We never beat Boro and Barnsley are utter shit at the moment and you know what that means. Beat Boro 3-2 last season.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 25, 2021 10:50:44 GMT 1
I normally defend Sinani, but last night I don't know how he stayed on. His passing was piss poor. Gave it away numerous times, one time putting them through on goal. Delivery on a corner not getting past the front post. I'd have took him off personally, he wouldn't be starting for me next game Agree. He was a liability on more than one occasion last night with some pretty reckless passing in dangerous positions that he attempted and failed with. I dont mind him normally but he was the standout poorest player in our side by some way IMO. Theres similarities with Sorba in his form dipping. Its a problem because earlier in the season we really benefitted from both's set piece delivery and lately they've both gone off the boil in that respect too. The Championship can be relentlessly demanding, particularly if its new to you. Is it coincidence theyre both been playing a lot and going away on international duties a lot this season? Maybe both need a few weeks R & R ??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 10:50:52 GMT 1
I normally defend Sinani, but last night I don't know how he stayed on. His passing was piss poor. Gave it away numerous times, one time putting them through on goal. Delivery on a corner not getting past the front post. I'd have took him off personally, he wouldn't be starting for me next game The concern is that he's consistently poor. 10mins every couple of games where he might thread a wonder pass through or ping a shot in simply isn't enough given how little else he contributes. Imagine how much ear ache Sinani would be getting if Hogg was on the pitch. Its not his fault, he's just not a middle/top-end Championship player, we get that - but surely he must look at the likes of Pearson, who is nowhere near the technical quality or athletic ability required to shine at this level, he's a League 1 clogger, and yet he's close to undroppable. Just RAISE YOUR GAME Sinani, there is no chance whatsoever you're going to be playing for Norwich in the Championship next season...you've got 6 months to earn a loan deal somewhere else next season that hopefully you can turn into an extended contract, otherwise you'll be back in Luxembourg or Belgium or some other non place of a footballing existence. My only explanation last night is that Koroma is ill/unfit or something, and maybe Thomas too - and they'd seen something early on that meant that Koroma could be more protected/controlled if playing on the right, to stretch out how long he'd last before we 'had' to bring in Thomas in.
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Post by detox on Nov 25, 2021 10:53:15 GMT 1
I suppose if we'd drawn both games against WBA and QPR we'd all have been fairly satisfied, but we earned an extra point by beating WBA and I never thought we'd beat QPR..so , despite such a poorly organised game last night, you have to be satisfied with 3 points from these two games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 11:10:51 GMT 1
I normally defend Sinani, but last night I don't know how he stayed on. His passing was piss poor. Gave it away numerous times, one time putting them through on goal. Delivery on a corner not getting past the front post. I'd have took him off personally, he wouldn't be starting for me next game Agree. He was a liability on more than one occasion last night with some pretty reckless passing in dangerous positions that he attempted and failed with. I dont mind him normally but he was the standout poorest player in our side by some way IMO. Theres similarities with Sorba in his form dipping. Its a problem because earlier in the season we really benefitted from both's set piece delivery and lately they've both gone off the boil in that respect too. The Championship can be relentlessly demanding, particularly if its new to you. Is it coincidence theyre both been playing a lot and going away on international duties a lot this season? Maybe both need a few weeks R & R ?? It didn't help his cause playing on the right hand side, then switching. For me and where he plays best, is a 10 role. Right behind the striker, he's good technical ability, but he just looked really lazy with his passing. His awareness and timing last night was absolutely shit. He can put a pass on a 2 pence piece at times, most of last night he was picking out the touchline or their players. I'd honestly sit him out Saturday, I'd have Sorba and Koroma starting.
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Post by drumriggend on Nov 25, 2021 11:29:30 GMT 1
Good game lasts night..
We had our chances..
No argument that their front 3 are better than ours..
Surprising and disappointing to concede like we did..
Nicholls is a beast int nets..
Fooooookin reyt keeper..
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 25, 2021 12:05:01 GMT 1
Although some of the passing out from the back was shambolic at times, at least there were some attempts to occasionally try the killer pass. They didn’t come off for us, but the fact it’s in their mindset to attempt these was a positive for me. All about building confidence, and I think that’s definitely happening.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 12:11:03 GMT 1
Again, this shouldn't be forgotten. We didn't just get bummed in the gob by a bunch of no-hopers. We gave a very good side a very good game. You know those games when you say "they were shit but we were worse"? Well, we were good, but they were better. And not by much. Few pundits had them below top 6 at the start of this season and few will have changed their mind. Conversely we have MASSIVELY exceeded expectations so far. That’s the issue though. QPR aren’t that good. It’s just, bar Fulham and Bournemouth and maybe WBA, this is a really shit division this year. I mean Coventry are up there FFS. If that was us v Fulham last night, you’d take that as a plucky defeat. But not QPR. Big truck if that is really what you think we'll sorry but it is as competitive as ever
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Post by kennyk2 on Nov 25, 2021 12:30:50 GMT 1
I like Danny Ward, but where would we be with Ben Breretton Diaz? Sixteen goals in 19 appearances.
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Post by Kenny irons on Nov 25, 2021 12:37:38 GMT 1
I like Danny Ward, but where would we be with Ben Breretton Diaz? Sixteen goals in 19 appearances. I was just about to put something similar Kenny. Where do ppl think we would be in the table if we had a mitrovic, diaz, or kieffer Moore type player leading the line? I would say around 4th place myself.
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Post by bobrobterrier on Nov 25, 2021 12:48:01 GMT 1
I like Danny Ward, but where would we be with Ben Breretton Diaz? Sixteen goals in 19 appearances. Does anybody else think we just aren’t playing in a way that would suit a goal scoring striker ? It’s a tankless job up there in this team IMO. Don’t really get many sniffs at all
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 25, 2021 12:51:17 GMT 1
I like Danny Ward, but where would we be with Ben Breretton Diaz? Sixteen goals in 19 appearances. I was just about to put something similar Kenny. Where do ppl think we would be in the table if we had a mitrovic, diaz, or kieffer Moore type player leading the line? I would say around 4th place myself. I think it's more where would we be with a little more positivity in a number of games? Positive subs before we are behind, positive tactical moves before we are behind or pegged back. We didn't need to score last night but we did need to relieve the pressure that built. When in front we don't have to score again but playing further up the pitch for longer might have worked better for us? Our playing the percentages badly backfires on us too often. Two strikers at 0 0? Shocking to some, more chance of holding the ball further away from our goal, trust our better defending these days to deal with less attacks or pressure???
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 25, 2021 13:18:28 GMT 1
Agree. He was a liability on more than one occasion last night with some pretty reckless passing in dangerous positions that he attempted and failed with. I dont mind him normally but he was the standout poorest player in our side by some way IMO. Theres similarities with Sorba in his form dipping. Its a problem because earlier in the season we really benefitted from both's set piece delivery and lately they've both gone off the boil in that respect too. The Championship can be relentlessly demanding, particularly if its new to you. Is it coincidence theyre both been playing a lot and going away on international duties a lot this season? Maybe both need a few weeks R & R ?? It didn't help his cause playing on the right hand side, then switching. For me and where he plays best, is a 10 role. Right behind the striker, he's good technical ability, but he just looked really lazy with his passing. His awareness and timing last night was absolutely shit. He can put a pass on a 2 pence piece at times, most of last night he was picking out the touchline or their players. I'd honestly sit him out Saturday, I'd have Sorba and Koroma starting. The way Thomas and Koroma have played recently they'd both be lucky to get on the bench
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Nov 25, 2021 14:02:35 GMT 1
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