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Post by Teddington Ted on Aug 6, 2022 20:11:28 GMT 1
My fear is we’re potentially looking at another Siewart situation here, ie a young manager out of his depth, and if we wait til the end of September before addressing the situation, we’re almost certainly in for a constant season of struggle to avoid relegation. Next match is crucial for me, no significant improvement and it’s very much decision time by the board. If it is to be the death of a thousand knives, how does this affect Schofield and another possible go at some stage in the future? Concerning if not worrying times. We got lucky with Siewart: the club changed hands so PH could sack him after just a few games without having egg on his face. Given DS is DH’s man (and he’s bigged him up publicly to disparage claims of him simply being the cheap option) it’s much harder to see him going before Easter, even if we have a disastrous season. More through vanity than loyalty. I’m hoping all works well but if we are fighting relegation/relegated come May I fully expect DS to still be in charge. |
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 6, 2022 20:29:30 GMT 1
Hold your horses is a good shout but the 'I want it now' lot won't want to listen. They remind me of playground bullies seeking one victim after another and enjoying the 'likes' that their foul mouthed and personally abusive posts attract from like minded sheep. They are just desperate to feel accepted and part of the 'cool crew'. If only they could think for themselves and see what we have today compared to a decade ago.All will be well but it won't happen overnight A decade ago we'd just signed (in the summer window) : Adam Clayton Adam Hammill Oliver Norwood Joel Lynch James Vaughan Jermaine Beckford Sean Scannell Paul Dixon Keith Southern Anthony Gerrard We sold Jordan Rhodes to Blackburn. How is this summer comparable to that - a decade ago as you say? |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 6, 2022 20:33:12 GMT 1
Yes but we had Corberan Toff and O Brien then and all the squad were very fit which went along way to our rise up the table
Many of our players looked knackered after 30 minutes in both games
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 20:45:19 GMT 1
Positive signs.
I think Rudoni, Russell, Anjorin, Thomas and Ward could be a good unit. They showed signs second half on Friday and with time I really feel they will click. Russell needs to learn when to play simple and they all need to be stronger, we get knocked off the ball far too much in midfield, but that can be fixed.
Issues.
The change in defence, for me, isn’t working. With a 4 rather than a 5 fullbacks need to be quicker to cover and centre backs need to be on it. Fullbacks are doing OK but the REG and Lees pairing looks to be struggling. The first Birmingham goal came on our left and REG was sliding in to block. So should Lees have been there or was REG out of position?
Whether it is because they are a new pairing, REG isn’t quite up to speed or Lees playing left side, I don’t know. I think we need one of Boyle or Nakayama on the left. I would put Lees back right sided and see how he does, if that doesn’t work play REG there. We do look light in the box with two centre backs.
We have changed our back formation and two of the back line and lost Pearson, which looks like quite a blow at the moment. Nichols seems to be struggling a bit and it may be the back line change which is adding to this.
I am sure we will grow and improve and it is so important we support the team while they work through this.
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Aug 6, 2022 21:16:07 GMT 1
My fear is we’re potentially looking at another Siewart situation here, ie a young manager out of his depth, and if we wait til the end of September before addressing the situation, we’re almost certainly in for a constant season of struggle to avoid relegation. Next match is crucial for me, no significant improvement and it’s very much decision time by the board. If it is to be the death of a thousand knives, how does this affect Schofield and another possible go at some stage in the future? Concerning if not worrying times. I think Siewart had a higher standing in the game. He’d worked with Germany and Dortmund. The punt on Schofield is actually bigger. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 21:57:59 GMT 1
My fear is we’re potentially looking at another Siewart situation here, ie a young manager out of his depth, and if we wait til the end of September before addressing the situation, we’re almost certainly in for a constant season of struggle to avoid relegation. Next match is crucial for me, no significant improvement and it’s very much decision time by the board. If it is to be the death of a thousand knives, how does this affect Schofield and another possible go at some stage in the future? Concerning if not worrying times. I think Siewart had a higher standing in the game. He’d worked with Germany and Dortmund. The punt on Schofield is actually bigger. Siewart was a poor fit for the club and didn’t seem to hit it off with the players. Danny is a known quantity who needs to find his feet. He just needs time. |
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Post by Sio on Aug 6, 2022 22:09:13 GMT 1
Hold your horses is a good shout but the 'I want it now' lot won't want to listen. They remind me of playground bullies seeking one victim after another and enjoying the 'likes' that their foul mouthed and personally abusive posts attract from like minded sheep. They are just desperate to feel accepted and part of the 'cool crew'. If only they could think for themselves and see what we have today compared to a decade ago. All will be well but it won't happen overnight Or they don't want their club to bottle it at the slightest sign of any success. But yeah sure, what you said. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 6, 2022 22:21:14 GMT 1
Hold your horses is a good shout but the 'I want it now' lot won't want to listen. They remind me of playground bullies seeking one victim after another and enjoying the 'likes' that their foul mouthed and personally abusive posts attract from like minded sheep. They are just desperate to feel accepted and part of the 'cool crew'. If only they could think for themselves and see what we have today compared to a decade ago. All will be well but it won't happen overnight Or they don't want their club to bottle it at the slightest sign of any success. But yeah sure, what you said. But only success would see DH get his money back so why would he bottle it and instead put millions more in just to see us treading water? |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Aug 6, 2022 22:25:14 GMT 1
Hold your horses is a good shout but the 'I want it now' lot won't want to listen. They remind me of playground bullies seeking one victim after another and enjoying the 'likes' that their foul mouthed and personally abusive posts attract from like minded sheep. They are just desperate to feel accepted and part of the 'cool crew'. If only they could think for themselves and see what we have today compared to a decade ago. All will be well but it won't happen overnight You're right, success doesn't come overnight, but you do need a solid platform with which to build upon towards success. We had that platform, but Mr Hoyle chose to let it walk out of the door, and has made zero effort to replace it. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 6, 2022 22:31:44 GMT 1
Hold your horses is a good shout but the 'I want it now' lot won't want to listen. They remind me of playground bullies seeking one victim after another and enjoying the 'likes' that their foul mouthed and personally abusive posts attract from like minded sheep. They are just desperate to feel accepted and part of the 'cool crew'. If only they could think for themselves and see what we have today compared to a decade ago.All will be well but it won't happen overnight A decade ago we'd just signed (in the summer window) : Adam Clayton Adam Hammill Oliver Norwood Joel Lynch James Vaughan Jermaine Beckford Sean Scannell Paul Dixon Keith Southern Anthony Gerrard We sold Jordan Rhodes to Blackburn. How is this summer comparable to that - a decade ago as you say? Fair play for those impressive stats cos those are impressive signings. I'm thinking more of the wider picture of what we achieved, the improvements to the ground and playing surface and the massive improvements with our training facilities and staff at Canalside |
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Post by Leporid on Aug 6, 2022 22:35:54 GMT 1
Hold your horses is a good shout but the 'I want it now' lot won't want to listen. They remind me of playground bullies seeking one victim after another and enjoying the 'likes' that their foul mouthed and personally abusive posts attract from like minded sheep. They are just desperate to feel accepted and part of the 'cool crew'. If only they could think for themselves and see what we have today compared to a decade ago.All will be well but it won't happen overnight A decade ago we'd just signed (in the summer window) : Adam Clayton Adam Hammill Oliver Norwood Joel Lynch James Vaughan Jermaine Beckford Sean Scannell Paul Dixon Keith Southern Anthony Gerrard We sold Jordan Rhodes to Blackburn. How is this summer comparable to that - a decade ago as you say? A similarity might be having players in the squad who appear to be crocks. Another similarity might be having slow centre backs. A further similarity may well be that signings Town have made don't prove to be successful. l. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 6, 2022 22:38:57 GMT 1
its the players who made up the squad that finished 3rd who are massively under-performing so far.
hang over from the play offs maybe, but Russell, Thomas, Ward, Hogg, Holmes, Koroma, have been really poor. Ruffels has come in and been dreadful. REG who shone for Rotherham has returned and also been dreadful.
Only really Lees, Nicholls and Turton seem on their game at all.
Theres a positive in that to cling to because we KNOW that most of those player can play WAY WAY better.
The new lads in Tino and Rudoni have actually looked good. Still to see the other new signings.
So, when the players who did so well last year get back to anything like, I think we'll be ok.
As it is we're a point short of where we were last season after 2 games , and IMO we should have got that point last night,. Overall a draw would have been the right result. So no reason to panic at all.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 6, 2022 22:41:21 GMT 1
Hold your horses is a good shout but the 'I want it now' lot won't want to listen. They remind me of playground bullies seeking one victim after another and enjoying the 'likes' that their foul mouthed and personally abusive posts attract from like minded sheep. They are just desperate to feel accepted and part of the 'cool crew'. If only they could think for themselves and see what we have today compared to a decade ago. All will be well but it won't happen overnight You're right, success doesn't come overnight, but you do need a solid platform with which to build upon towards success. We had that platform, but Mr Hoyle chose to let it walk out of the door, and has made zero effort to replace it. 'Chose to let it walk out of the door'? You seem to be anti DH despite the further multi millions he's recently put in to keep the club afloat. Why? |
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Post by Sio on Aug 6, 2022 22:47:21 GMT 1
You're right, success doesn't come overnight, but you do need a solid platform with which to build upon towards success. We had that platform, but Mr Hoyle chose to let it walk out of the door, and has made zero effort to replace it. 'Chose to let it walk out of the door'? You seem to be anti DH despite the multi millions further he's recently put in to jeep the club afloat. Why? He's keeping the club afloat because if it goes into administration he's not getting any of his debt repayments any time soon. And he was the one who chose Phil to own the club, who subsequently couldn't provide the funds. Time and time again Hoyle makes bad decisions. He's stepped in to protect himself, nothing else. |
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Post by Leporid on Aug 6, 2022 22:49:03 GMT 1
You're right, success doesn't come overnight, but you do need a solid platform with which to build upon towards success. We had that platform, but Mr Hoyle chose to let it walk out of the door, and has made zero effort to replace it. 'Chose to let it walk out of the door'? You seem to be anti DH despite the multi millions further he's recently put in to jeep the club afloat. Why? Let's hope the club doesn't sink so low that it needs a four wheel drive rescue, not to say an amphibious one. |
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Post by rugbyterrier on Aug 6, 2022 22:54:55 GMT 1
As it is we're a point short of where we were last season after 2 games , and IMO we should have got that point last night,. Overall a draw would have been the right result. So no reason to panic at all.
In 1987-88 we had 3 points from 6 games and ended up with only 6 wins all season.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 6, 2022 22:58:50 GMT 1
'Chose to let it walk out of the door'? You seem to be anti DH despite the multi millions further he's recently put in to jeep the club afloat. Why? He's keeping the club afloat because if it goes into administration he's not getting any of his debt repayments any time soon. And he was the one who chose Phil to own the club, who subsequently couldn't provide the funds. Time and time again Hoyle makes bad decisions. He's stepped in to protect himself, nothing else. Phil was poised to be a very wealthy man until several things went wrong. No-one could have foreseen that at the time. If DH is protecting himself why is he throwing good money after bad? It just wouldn't make sense |
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Post by Sio on Aug 6, 2022 23:04:39 GMT 1
He's keeping the club afloat because if it goes into administration he's not getting any of his debt repayments any time soon. And he was the one who chose Phil to own the club, who subsequently couldn't provide the funds. Time and time again Hoyle makes bad decisions. He's stepped in to protect himself, nothing else. Phil was poised to be a very wealthy man until several things went wrong. No-one could have foreseen that at the time. If DH is protecting himself why is he throwing good money after bad? It just wouldn't make sense But he isn't is he, that's the problem here. He's spending the absolute bare minimum in Championship terms and taking zero risks, and for the club the size of ours, that presents a major obstacle to any progress. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Aug 6, 2022 23:07:07 GMT 1
I am champing at the bit, and thoroughbred expect us to canter up the league in no time at all.
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Post by space hardware on Aug 6, 2022 23:12:21 GMT 1
Phil was poised to be a very wealthy man until several things went wrong. No-one could have foreseen that at the time. If DH is protecting himself why is he throwing good money after bad? It just wouldn't make sense But he isn't is he, that's the problem here. He's spending the absolute bare minimum in Championship terms and taking zero risks, and for the club the size of ours, that presents a major obstacle to any progress. A League One budget expecting better than 3rd place, that's what he's proposing. He's basically said that himself. |
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Post by Town1971 on Aug 6, 2022 23:13:06 GMT 1
I am champing at the bit, and thoroughbred expect us to canter up the league in no time at all. Looking like some of ours are only trotting at the moment . |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 6, 2022 23:17:38 GMT 1
He's keeping the club afloat because if it goes into administration he's not getting any of his debt repayments any time soon. And he was the one who chose Phil to own the club, who subsequently couldn't provide the funds. Time and time again Hoyle makes bad decisions. He's stepped in to protect himself, nothing else. Phil was poised to be a very wealthy man until several things went wrong. No-one could have foreseen that at the time. If DH is protecting himself why is he throwing good money after bad? It just wouldn't make sense If the club went in to administration there's an extremely high chance that he would have to accept 1p in every £1 owed yo him, that's why he is protecting himself he's protecting the debt that the club owes him. If he wasn't bothered about the debt, he would just write it off? |
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Post by Huddy Town Black Sox on Aug 6, 2022 23:22:26 GMT 1
Are we really back to hoping their are 3 teams shitter than we are to retain a place in the 2nd tier ?
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 6, 2022 23:23:17 GMT 1
'Chose to let it walk out of the door'? You seem to be anti DH despite the multi millions further he's recently put in to jeep the club afloat. Why? He's keeping the club afloat because if it goes into administration he's not getting any of his debt repayments any time soon. And he was the one who chose Phil to own the club, who subsequently couldn't provide the funds. Time and time again Hoyle makes bad decisions. He's stepped in to protect himself, nothing else. He isn't getting any of his debt repayments anytime soon anyway!! Unless you've missed it, he's putting money INTO the club, not taking it out, and unless we go up again that isn't about to change. It turned out it was a bad decision to sell to Hodgkinson ( with the caveat that PH actually did a great job in challenging circumstances whilst he was the owner ), but what are you blaming Hoyle for there?? Not knowing covid was about to turn up and wreck all PHs plans?? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 6, 2022 23:24:59 GMT 1
Are we really back to hoping their are 3 teams shitter than we are to retain a place in the 2nd tier ? No. Although Im sure some will be thinking that, because well we've had a poor start and lost 2 games. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 6, 2022 23:48:41 GMT 1
Phil was poised to be a very wealthy man until several things went wrong. No-one could have foreseen that at the time. If DH is protecting himself why is he throwing good money after bad? It just wouldn't make sense If the club went in to administration there's an extremely high chance that he would have to accept 1p in every £1 owed yo him, that's why he is protecting himself he's protecting the debt that the club owes him. If he wasn't bothered about the debt, he would just write it off? Of course but he could afford to do that if he chose to. My question is why he has put another 12 million in and is prepared to put at least 5 million a year in on an ongoing basis. How does that get him his money back? It doesn’t make sense if his only interest is money |
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Post by harris on Aug 6, 2022 23:49:39 GMT 1
Are we really back to hoping their are 3 teams shitter than we are to retain a place in the 2nd tier ? Yep |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 6, 2022 23:50:37 GMT 1
Phil was poised to be a very wealthy man until several things went wrong. No-one could have foreseen that at the time. If DH is protecting himself why is he throwing good money after bad? It just wouldn't make sense But he isn't is he, that's the problem here. He's spending the absolute bare minimum in Championship terms and taking zero risks, and for the club the size of ours, that presents a major obstacle to any progress. My question is why he has put another 12 million in and is prepared to put at least 5 million a year in on an ongoing basis. How does that get him his money back? It doesn’t make sense if his only interest is money |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 6, 2022 23:57:02 GMT 1
Can’t see us winning a game until September and that’s just dependant on if Blackpool are worse than us. Tragic Football isn’t tragic. Real life can be tragic, football isn’t even close to being on a par with real life… We’ve had 2 poor first halves, improvement in the second half of both games, but the goal last night indicates there’s still a decent team in there somewhere. UTT!!! |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Aug 7, 2022 0:02:00 GMT 1
If the club went in to administration there's an extremely high chance that he would have to accept 1p in every £1 owed yo him, that's why he is protecting himself he's protecting the debt that the club owes him. If he wasn't bothered about the debt, he would just write it off? Of course but he could afford to do that if he chose to. My question is why he has put another 12 million in and is prepared to put at least 5 million a year in on an ongoing basis. How does that get him his money back? It doesn’t make sense if his only interest is money The answer to that question is in the post you've just quoted. |
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