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Post by bells ringing :) on Dec 27, 2022 14:06:37 GMT 1
Best player we have, but strangely I'm not broken hearted about the prospect of him leaving. Funny one. We should get a good fee for him. Would an absolute minimum of £5m be a fair estimate? I've seen smaller figures posited on here. That is a huge statment "best player we have" huge stament .
If he was to leave , it could be a blessing more than an OMG what are Town doing.
I would hate to be a full back behind him, i would get very sick very quick of his pointing as he does not track a runner or even try to stop a cross come in. Sorba is talked up a lot more than a lot of players, i have seen at Town who were far better footballers. Since we signed him i just have not got the "hype" , i am real sorry about this i just have not seen it. Corners- free kicks do not make him an automatic starter , they would not for any other football club, it tells you something that Wales were so bad , yet he got what 5 minutes.
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Post by 3Pipe on Dec 27, 2022 14:09:58 GMT 1
Not on your Christmas card list then? I stand by my statement - best player we have.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Dec 27, 2022 14:12:37 GMT 1
Not on your Christmas card list then? I stand by my statement - best player we have. I think we have some technically more talented footballers , we also have more tactically aware footballers.
If Tino was fit, would you still say that statment, i would hope not as Tino has more talent in his toe than Thomas that is a fact.
Thomas has done ok for us, nothing more , nothing less. just OK ,if you take away the set play stuff , he would contribute the short end of nothing else to the team.
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Post by benhomly on Dec 27, 2022 14:14:57 GMT 1
Best player we have, but strangely I'm not broken hearted about the prospect of him leaving. Funny one. We should get a good fee for him. Would an absolute minimum of £5m be a fair estimate? I've seen smaller figures posited on here. I'd be amazed if we got £5m for him. Not that we'd ever find out anyway as it's always undisclosed. |
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Post by Melc on Dec 27, 2022 14:16:25 GMT 1
Get rid of some players that are not in our plans, and send the loanees back.
Them saving on wages should allow us to bring in 3 additions without adding much to the finances.
DH has said he was happy with the £5m deficit this season, so why lesson our chances of getting clear of the bottom three with our prize assets.
Any new owners Will surly want a nucleus of talent in any takeover to be still on the books.
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Post by Amigo on Dec 27, 2022 14:24:59 GMT 1
Personally think Nicholls is the best player we have but can certainly see the argument for Thomas, he's probably the biggest asset.
Strange one Sorba, creates most of our chances but watching him week in week out he's not someone that would be devastating if we lost despite our current situation. Maybe missed more if he's gone I don't know.
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Post by benhomly on Dec 27, 2022 14:25:43 GMT 1
Not on your Christmas card list then? I stand by my statement - best player we have. I think we have some technically more talented footballers , we also have more tactically aware footballers.
If Tino was fit, would you still say that statment, i would hope not as Tino has more talent in his toe than Thomas that is a fact. Thomas has done ok for us, nothing more , nothing less. just OK ,if you take away the set play stuff , he would contribute the short end of nothing else to the team.
I've seen very little to suggest Tino has more talent in his toe than Thomas, all I saw was someone who tried to barnstorm past defenders using brute strength rather than talent. He won us one game at Coventry last season and won us a point this season at home to West Brom. Apart from that his contribution has been the square root of f**k all. Thomas has been responsible for numerous assists and a few goals which has won us far more points than Tino has in the same period. So if Thomas has been just ok then I dread to think what the definition of Tino is. His form for us got him in a World Cup squad. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Dec 27, 2022 14:49:59 GMT 1
Personally think Nicholls is the best player we have but can certainly see the argument for Thomas, he's probably the biggest asset. I like it, thinking outside the box and yet inside the box at the same time. Nicholls is a good shout. |
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Post by dm on Dec 27, 2022 15:00:08 GMT 1
Nicholls is our best player.
Thomas is our most financially valuable player - his age, reputation, the fact he played (once) at a World Cup and has ability to do the brilliant (sometimes) mean that outside of Huddersfield he is considered a bit of a star.
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Post by Wingman on Dec 27, 2022 15:08:54 GMT 1
Tricky one.
Nicholls is worth his weight in gold in terms of goals saved, but Sorba can create a bit of magic. In terms of £ Sorba would draw in more as flair players do in the market so if he was to go, I wouldn’t be gutted.
£5m easy as he’s an international and off the back of a World Cup. We usually drive hard bargains though after the L’OB/Toffolo fiasco I’m not sure we would push hard enough anymore.
Agree though that Nicholls is our best player; we need to retain him this January and prepare for him to go next Summer, bomb Schofield out (end of contract?) and get Bilo ready to take the no.1 jersey.
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Post by terryya on Dec 27, 2022 15:13:59 GMT 1
People who would be OK with Sorba leaving want to give their head a shake. 18 assists (and 3 goals) over 1.5 seasons with 6 of them coming this season. Some people have decided they don't like him and then start looking for a reason why.
"Tino had a great half at Coventry and has more talent in his (broken) toe."
"My mate said that some random person made stuff up on Twitter about him."
"He's to blame for every goal we've ever let in."
"His bins are well scruffy."
He's created roughly 1/3 of our goals this season and people are happy to see him go!!
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Post by pterrier on Dec 27, 2022 15:16:55 GMT 1
Incredibly underrated player on here who is our team’s only genuine threat with his set pieces (the only thing we really score from). He works hard defensively as well, it’s a complete myth that he doesn’t and I have theory as to why people say he’s ‘lazy’ (but that’s a tale for another day!). Some people saying they’d be happy with 5 million?! Probably the same people who thought 8million was fair for O’Brien. We really do need to collectively open our eyes and stop seeing it as acceptable to sell our best player for peanuts to Fund Dean Hoyle’s clearance sale.
Has he fallen out with the manager? Yes probably.
Should we sell based on that? Absolutely not, it commonly happens at clubs and especially with a ‘passionate’ or should I say slightly insane manager like Fotheringham.
Fed up of players being scapegoated by our club over the years for being a ‘disgrace’; get an arm around his shoulder and get him on board rather than cutting our nose off to spite our face; if he goes then we are down.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Dec 27, 2022 15:34:53 GMT 1
People who would be OK with Sorba leaving want to give their head a shake. 18 assists (and 3 goals) over 1.5 seasons with 6 of them coming this season. Some people have decided they don't like him and then start looking for a reason why. "Tino had a great half at Coventry and has more talent in his (broken) toe." "My mate said that some random person made stuff up on Twitter about him." "He's to blame for every goal we've ever let in." "His bins are well scruffy." He's created roughly 1/3 of our goals this season and people are happy to see him go!! Sean Scannellon bench for Grimsby yesterday, could do a job for us? His bins were always tidy, I hear. |
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Post by Big Ern on Dec 27, 2022 15:50:30 GMT 1
Tricky one. Nicholls is worth his weight in gold in terms of goals saved, but Sorba can create a bit of magic. In terms of £ Sorba would draw in more as flair players do in the market so if he was to go, I wouldn’t be gutted. £5m easy as he’s an international and off the back of a World Cup. We usually drive hard bargains though after the L’OB/Toffolo fiasco I’m not sure we would push hard enough anymore. Agree though that Nicholls is our best player; we need to retain him this January and prepare for him to go next Summer, bomb Schofield out (end of contract?) and get Bilo ready to take the no.1 jersey. I woukd hope by next summer we have new owners and are still a championship club so he won't be going anywhere |
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 27, 2022 15:56:40 GMT 1
The way i see it is that I a good side / team doing well like we were last season Sorba is a great player. When he is able to concentrate on attacking and full of confidence he is able to take risks and terrify the opposition.
The situation we are in,no one has the confidence to try the flicks and 1st time balls and most of his attacking potential is wasted. He works hard. He tracks back and puts the yards in etc. But sadly he never actually stops the cross, or makes the tackle and often misses the player he's marking, making the run. But that wouldn't matter if he had a decent defensive minded defender behind him and we were winning more often. ( often played on right in front of Turton rather than Ruffles, got moved to left rather than play in front of Hayden)
With Koroma in mind, I'd be inclined to sell if a decent price was offered before he becomes an unsellable asset and invest the money in 2 players that might be more suited to our situation.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Dec 27, 2022 16:35:32 GMT 1
I like Sorba, if he added goals to his game aswell as all the assists he'd be worth a fair whack.
As it stands I'm sure DH will be looking to cash in this window if the deal is right for him.
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Post by willhudd on Dec 27, 2022 16:56:38 GMT 1
Best player we have, but strangely I'm not broken hearted about the prospect of him leaving. Funny one. We should get a good fee for him. Would an absolute minimum of £5m be a fair estimate? I've seen smaller figures posited on here. That is a huge statment "best player we have" huge stament .
If he was to leave , it could be a blessing more than an OMG what are Town doing.
I would hate to be a full back behind him, i would get very sick very quick of his pointing as he does not track a runner or even try to stop a cross come in. Sorba is talked up a lot more than a lot of players, i have seen at Town who were far better footballers. Since we signed him i just have not got the "hype" , i am real sorry about this i just have not seen it. Corners- free kicks do not make him an automatic starter , they would not for any other football club, it tells you something that Wales were so bad , yet he got what 5 minutes.
Things like this are why I despair. Let's judge an attacking player on his tracking back and defending while at the same time moan that we don't score enough. Some town fans will get their way and then realise what we have lost. |
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Post by Dan on Dec 27, 2022 16:58:05 GMT 1
That is a huge statment "best player we have" huge stament .
If he was to leave , it could be a blessing more than an OMG what are Town doing. I would hate to be a full back behind him, i would get very sick very quick of his pointing as he does not track a runner or even try to stop a cross come in. Sorba is talked up a lot more than a lot of players, i have seen at Town who were far better footballers. Since we signed him i just have not got the "hype" , i am real sorry about this i just have not seen it. Corners- free kicks do not make him an automatic starter , they would not for any other football club, it tells you something that Wales were so bad , yet he got what 5 minutes.
Things like this are why I despair. Let's judge an attacking player on his tracking back and defending while at the same time moan that we don't score enough. Some town fans will get their way and then realise what we have lost. I remember Rhodes' 40 goal season, there were plenty on here moaning that 'he doesn't contribute anything else other than goals' 😂 |
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Post by bigtruck on Dec 27, 2022 17:01:13 GMT 1
Best player we have, but strangely I'm not broken hearted about the prospect of him leaving. Funny one. We should get a good fee for him. Would an absolute minimum of £5m be a fair estimate? I've seen smaller figures posited on here. I'd be amazed if we got £5m for him. Not that we'd ever find out anyway as it's always undisclosed. Never understand how and why we undervalue our own players. Look at players like Clarke from down the road. Every other team seems to sell on for big money and we lose for pittance |
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Post by willhudd on Dec 27, 2022 17:01:35 GMT 1
Things like this are why I despair. Let's judge an attacking player on his tracking back and defending while at the same time moan that we don't score enough. Some town fans will get their way and then realise what we have lost. I remember Rhodes' 40 goal season, there were plenty on here moaning that 'he doesn't contribute anything else other than goals' 😂 I remember it as well! Some town fans do not like attacking players unless they are putting in flying tackles and defending first. God knows how they would react if by some miracle messi got lost and ended up at Town! |
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Post by rockwall on Dec 27, 2022 17:03:54 GMT 1
Probably get pelters for this. But apart from a decent corner or cross from a set piece, what does he actually offer?
Said many times, he is one of the most over hyped players to ever play for Town.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 27, 2022 17:23:40 GMT 1
Probably get pelters for this. But apart from a decent corner or cross from a set piece, what does he actually offer? Said many times, he is one of the most over hyped players to ever play for Town. His ability in general play is mid level Championship at best. He doesn't really have any stand out qualities His dead ball delivery is good enough for the Premier League but he wouldn't get a start at that level |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Dec 27, 2022 17:29:41 GMT 1
No chance anyone is paying 5 mill for Sorba. 2 mill max imo, we might squeeze 3.
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Post by terryya on Dec 27, 2022 17:38:19 GMT 1
Probably get pelters for this. But apart from a decent corner or cross from a set piece, what does he actually offer? Said many times, he is one of the most over hyped players to ever play for Town. Top 6% of Championship players for assists per 90 minutes last season. Top 7% this season, in a team adrift at the bottom of the league. What more do you want from a wideman? |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 27, 2022 17:45:56 GMT 1
Probably get pelters for this. But apart from a decent corner or cross from a set piece, what does he actually offer? Said many times, he is one of the most over hyped players to ever play for Town. Top 6% of Championship players for assists per 90 minutes last season. Top 7% this season, in a team adrift at the bottom of the league. What more do you want from a wideman? He also puts balls into the box from open play; not his fault that the strikers and "attacking midfielders" are puffing and blowing in their efforts to get there at the same time. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 27, 2022 17:59:21 GMT 1
Is he being sold?
Without going through this thread is there any evidence to say he is other than him being left out yesterday?
Bloke behind me claimed to know that he'd broken some rule and being dropped was his punishment. No more than that, and he'll probably be back in for rotherham.
If we were to sell him then I think he'd have a price tag of about £8m-£10m myself.
In the welsh squad, relatively young, clubs will remember him from last season when he really put himself on the map and only signed a new deal here earlier this year.
I dont think hes our best player ( Nichols all day long for me ) but he is right up there, simply because of his set piece delivery.
Dont think hes lazy defensively.. just think hes crap at it. cant tackle and cant head the ball,, but at least he gives it a go.
But cant see him going. A PL club isnt going to want him, and I doubt a championship club could afford what wed want for him.
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 27, 2022 17:59:59 GMT 1
No chance anyone is paying 5 mill for Sorba. 2 mill max imo, we might squeeze 3. If that's the case then it really is a fire sale. * 23 year old International, just back from the World Cup. * Joint 2nd in the league for assists despite playing for the club bottom of the league. * Contract until summer 2026. Even if he was a bad influence in the dressing room (and everything I've heard suggests he is anything but), and even if we waited until summer and we'd been relegated I'd want more than that. |
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 27, 2022 18:03:12 GMT 1
I remember Rhodes' 40 goal season, there were plenty on here moaning that 'he doesn't contribute anything else other than goals' 😂 I remember it as well! Some town fans do not like attacking players unless they are putting in flying tackles and defending first. God knows how they would react if by some miracle messi got lost and ended up at Town! A lot of people suggested that Frazier Campbell "just ran around a lot". I think some people want Messi, Ronaldo and other Ronaldo plus Kante rolled into one player. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 27, 2022 18:04:14 GMT 1
Is he being sold?Without going through this thread is there any evidence to say he is other than him being left out yesterday? Bloke behind me claimed to know that he'd broken some rule and being dropped was his punishment. No more than that, and he'll probably be back in for rotherham. If we were to sell him then I think he'd have a price tag of about £8m-£10m myself. In the welsh squad, relatively young, clubs will remember him from last season when he really put himself on the map and only signed a new deal here earlier this year. I dont think hes our best player ( Nichols all day long for me ) but he is right up there, simply because of his set piece delivery. Dont think hes lazy defensively.. just think hes crap at it. cant tackle and cant head the ball,, but at least he gives it a go. But cant see him going. A PL club isnt going to want him, and I doubt a championship club could afford what wed want for him. No. Simply had a row with MF and dropped as a punishment. But that in itself is a major worry; seems to be endemic throughout the squad. However, I did say to friends some weeks ago that I'd be surprised if we don't lose Nicholls and Thomas in January; they won't want to hang around if we're still very much adrift and nailed-on certs for The Big R. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Dec 27, 2022 18:05:25 GMT 1
Thing is we aren't nailed on certs for the big drop though. Everything to fight for imo.
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