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Post by Tinpot on Dec 1, 2022 9:38:58 GMT 1
Wasnt talking about folk with close family or birth qualification. Grand parents does not quite cut it for me, naturalisation probably not either. What about people like Alphonso Davies who was born in a refugee camp in Ghana but then his family were lucky enough to be given a chance of a better life in Canada? Does he have to play for Ghana or can he play for Canada? Give something back to the country that supported him and his family? Yep. It's examples like this. Who should you represent? Well, that's obvious. It's the one you feel the closest affinity for. And for most of us that's obvious. I feel English, and the only side I would be eligible for is England. Problem is, feelings are difficult to legislate for. My mate's wife "feels" Irish. She was born in Yorkshire, as were her parents, but every one of the England born ancestors came from Irish immigrants stock. Her son feels Irish too, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't even qualify to play for Ireland. Being born in a Ghanaian refugee camp but being given your chance in life by Canada - I can see why you'd feel more affinity to Canada than Ghana. Some people were raised by Grandparents. Might have a strained relationship with their parents. There are potential legitimate reasons to choose to represent your Grandparents' country. Of course, it means that some players will take advantage of qualification rules to play for a country they would otherwise have little or no affinity towards, but that's the lesser of two evils IMO. |
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Post by ram on Dec 1, 2022 11:01:49 GMT 1
Sorba,s surname is Thomas,but it is his mother who is "Welsh"? Is she a single mum and he has assumed her surname?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Dec 1, 2022 11:18:26 GMT 1
I presume he'll be back with the group for today's friendly?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2022 11:30:24 GMT 1
I presume he'll be back with the group for today's friendly? [br He arrived back yesterday but dk whether he will be involved today or not |
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Post by sabailand on Dec 1, 2022 11:32:49 GMT 1
Just be carefull asking/discussing where people are from.  |
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Post by townarentbest on Dec 1, 2022 11:44:00 GMT 1
Sorba,s surname is Thomas,but it is his mother who is "Welsh"? Is she a single mum and he has assumed her surname? He has a Sierra Leonian father, a country which obviously has a big (but not so shining) British history until relatively recently. Thomas is the 20th most common surname in Sierra Leone. Davies, Williams, and Johnson are also in that top 20. |
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Post by mosher on Dec 1, 2022 11:50:17 GMT 1
Sorba,s surname is Thomas,but it is his mother who is "Welsh"? Is she a single mum and he has assumed her surname? He has a Sierra Leonian father, a country which obviously has a big (but not so shining) British history until relatively recently. Thomas is the 20th most common surname in Sierra Leone. Davies, Williams, and Johnson are also in that top 20. Bloody hell, what happened? Did we send them all our undesirable Welsh people? Four of the top twenty names have Welsh origin? That's amazing. |
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Post by townarentbest on Dec 1, 2022 12:21:25 GMT 1
He has a Sierra Leonian father, a country which obviously has a big (but not so shining) British history until relatively recently. Thomas is the 20th most common surname in Sierra Leone. Davies, Williams, and Johnson are also in that top 20. Bloody hell, what happened? Did we send them all our undesirable Welsh people? Four of the top twenty names have Welsh origin? That's amazing. Dunno, but did anyone ever ask Chris Bart-Williams (*born* in Sierra Leone)? When slavery was abolished in England in the late 1700's, black slaves (mainly London based) were shipped to Sierra Leone. Some of the slaves had developed relationships with local (British) women and often married them. Obviously in the 1600 and 1700's, in the households where these slaves were working, there were also a lot of Welsh women who had gone to London and ended up taking maid and servant roles..the 'London Welsh', so lots of Welsh and African units were formed. We could maybe guess why the females surnames became more established...the slaves wouldn't necessarily have formally recognised/documented names, and would maybe even prefer to take on a more British name? |
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Post by mosher on Dec 1, 2022 13:40:29 GMT 1
Bloody hell, what happened? Did we send them all our undesirable Welsh people? Four of the top twenty names have Welsh origin? That's amazing. Dunno, but did anyone ever ask Chris Bart-Williams (*born* in Sierra Leone)? When slavery was abolished in England in the late 1700's, black slaves (mainly London based) were shipped to Sierra Leone. Some of the slaves had developed relationships with local (British) women and often married them. Obviously in the 1600 and 1700's, in the households where these slaves were working, there were also a lot of Welsh women who had gone to London and ended up taking maid and servant roles..the 'London Welsh', so lots of Welsh and African units were formed. We could maybe guess why the females surnames became more established... the slaves wouldn't necessarily have formally recognised/documented names, and would maybe even prefer to take on a more British name?Good knowledge mate. Bold bit: That's why so many black people in America have Freeman as a last name. Some took their previous owners' surnames (must have been the "kinder" type of owner I suppose) but a lot just chose the name Freeman. Although I think taking the name Freeman was more prevalent while US slavery was still a thing and freed slaves took the name Freeman to show that they weren't slaves anymore, to differentiate from those who were still owned. |
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Post by sabailand on Dec 1, 2022 13:51:24 GMT 1
The learning never stops on here.
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Post by detox on Dec 1, 2022 14:07:21 GMT 1
Just be carefull asking/discussing where people are from. Where they're really really from.... |
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Post by townarentbest on Dec 1, 2022 18:13:10 GMT 1
Dunno, but did anyone ever ask Chris Bart-Williams (*born* in Sierra Leone)? When slavery was abolished in England in the late 1700's, black slaves (mainly London based) were shipped to Sierra Leone. Some of the slaves had developed relationships with local (British) women and often married them. Obviously in the 1600 and 1700's, in the households where these slaves were working, there were also a lot of Welsh women who had gone to London and ended up taking maid and servant roles..the 'London Welsh', so lots of Welsh and African units were formed. We could maybe guess why the females surnames became more established... the slaves wouldn't necessarily have formally recognised/documented names, and would maybe even prefer to take on a more British name?Good knowledge mate. Bold bit: That's why so many black people in America have Freeman as a last name. Some took their previous owners' surnames (must have been the "kinder" type of owner I suppose) but a lot just chose the name Freeman. Although I think taking the name Freeman was more prevalent while US slavery was still a thing and freed slaves took the name Freeman to show that they weren't slaves anymore, to differentiate from those who were still owned. Never knew that, despite my sister becoming a Freeman! |
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Post by drumriggend on Dec 1, 2022 18:52:41 GMT 1
Just be carefull asking/discussing where people are from. Where they're really really from.... She couldn’t wait to cry racist could she.. The daft owld bat was probably just interested in her background and worded it badly.. Some fooookers can’t wait to be offended.. 🤬 |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 1, 2022 19:08:15 GMT 1
Where they're really really from.... She couldn’t wait to cry racist could she.. The daft owld bat was probably just interested in her background and worded it badly.. Some fooookers can’t wait to be offended.. 🤬 In the same way Phil the Greek used to word things badly ? |
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Post by sabailand on Dec 1, 2022 19:16:06 GMT 1
She couldn’t wait to cry racist could she.. The daft owld bat was probably just interested in her background and worded it badly.. Some fooookers can’t wait to be offended.. 🤬 In the same way Phil the Greek used to word things badly ? An event for women of African and Carribean heritage, someone asks where shes from/originates, plays the race card straight away, if it was in a sneering or condescending manner well yes thats offensive, but if it wasnt then asking in conversation about ones origins is not racist, i've been asked myself and have also asked people of Afro/carribean/Asian origin. |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 1, 2022 19:24:56 GMT 1
In the same way Phil the Greek used to word things badly ? An event for women of African and Carribean heritage, someone asks where shes from/originates, plays the race card straight away, if it was in a sneering or condescending manner well yes thats offensive, but if it wasnt then asking in conversation about one origins is not racist, i've been asked myself and have also asked people of Afro/carribean/Asian origin. Were you there then, to know how it was asked ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63819482 |
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Post by benhomly on Dec 1, 2022 19:27:35 GMT 1
An event for women of African and Carribean heritage, someone asks where shes from/originates, plays the race card straight away, if it was in a sneering or condescending manner well yes thats offensive, but if it wasnt then asking in conversation about one origins is not racist, i've been asked myself and have also asked people of Afro/carribean/Asian origin. Were you there then, to know how it was asked ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63819482Were you? |
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Post by sabailand on Dec 1, 2022 20:00:54 GMT 1
An event for women of African and Carribean heritage, someone asks where shes from/originates, plays the race card straight away, if it was in a sneering or condescending manner well yes thats offensive, but if it wasnt then asking in conversation about one origins is not racist, i've been asked myself and have also asked people of Afro/carribean/Asian origin. Were you there then, to know how it was asked ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63819482No i wasnt, but its all about who you believe, and i believe shes a race card playing shit stirrer. |
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 2, 2022 0:16:26 GMT 1
She couldn’t wait to cry racist could she.. The daft owld bat was probably just interested in her background and worded it badly.. Some fooookers can’t wait to be offended.. 🤬 In the same way Phil the Greek used to word things badly ? TBF he was my favourite Royal when he was alive. Wonderfully inappropriate. |
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Dec 2, 2022 0:38:58 GMT 1
Got to get a B*Witches C'est la vie chant for him. Say you willSay you won't He's got skill, that he flaunts He can do what he wants Plays for HTFC, Sorba T |
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 2, 2022 0:52:59 GMT 1
Say you willSay you won't He's got skill, that he flaunts He can do what he wants Plays for HTFC, Sorba T I stand corrected. I actually like that. |
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Post by ram on Dec 2, 2022 11:23:52 GMT 1
That is why I always cross out British on the census form{or any other} and insert English.Born Huddersfield November 1940. Cannot be clearer.  |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Dec 2, 2022 15:19:44 GMT 1
Sorba,s surname is Thomas,but it is his mother who is "Welsh"? Is she a single mum and he has assumed her surname? Think I read an interview with him that his first names actually Ben. It was a football coach who started calling him Sorba (possibly his middle name) and it stuck from there. |
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Post by mosher on Dec 2, 2022 15:36:21 GMT 1
Sorba,s surname is Thomas,but it is his mother who is "Welsh"? Is she a single mum and he has assumed her surname? Think I read an interview with him that his first names actually Ben. It was a football coach who started calling him Sorba (possibly his middle name) and it stuck from there. Benjamin Sorba William Thomas. Greedy git having TWO middle names  |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Dec 2, 2022 16:54:43 GMT 1
The learning never stops on here. for some it never starts  |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 18, 2022 0:04:00 GMT 1
What does he mean by his Instagram story? "we are getting closer to our light" January window and his escape |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Dec 22, 2022 16:14:08 GMT 1
Just wondering if Sorba Thomas is the reason why Town could afford to go on holiday recently:
In the German sports magazine "Kicker", they're on about how FIFA is rewarding clubs whose players featured in the World Cup, and German teams are getting 170 000 euros per player as they got knocked out in the group stage (clubs get more the further the national team progressed). So English clubs should be getting more.
Anyway, that means that Town should be getting some money in for Sorba Thomas's participation. Wales were knocked out in the group stage, too, so that should be a nice little windfall I'd guess. If we'd hung on to Sabiri for a while longer we'd have got something there, too, as there's some ruling covering teams who had these players stretching back 3 years, and clubs whose players got to the final would get 350 000 euros per player (so if Sabiri had stayed a year longer, for example, we'd have got 100 grand for him, too.
Have the English press covered this yet?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2022 13:54:19 GMT 1
This might not be a popular opinion but he’s one player I wouldn’t mind us cashing in on. Good fitness and a set piece but still aren’t overly convinced as a footballer, only if the money was right not saying sell for the sake of it but rather keep Camara diarra etc around than him long term.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Dec 27, 2022 13:59:34 GMT 1
Totally agree yorkterrier123
His defensive work , or lack of it at times leaves us vunerable down the right. Sorba is what is Sorba is, he takes a half decent corner at times and free kick. Yesterday we scored two goals from open play, If we were to go to a wing back system this would allow for either an extra cf or two 10's . i cannot remember the last time Sorba actually took a player on , therefore the wing back system of overlapping pull backs things like this can be done by attack minded full backs. We got Sorba from non league, if we sell him on for a few mill its great for Town as i do not think the fundimentals of football, such as positiong , tracking runners things such as this he has improved at all on. Last season he got a lot of assists yes, but a lot of them were set plays, very few were from open play. Therefore this season with this drying up a bit, what does he contribute to the team? one assit from open play for a wide man is poor .
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Post by 3Pipe on Dec 27, 2022 14:01:49 GMT 1
Best player we have, but strangely I'm not broken hearted about the prospect of him leaving. Funny one. We should get a good fee for him.
Would an absolute minimum of £5m be a fair estimate? I've seen smaller figures posited on here.
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