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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Jan 25, 2023 15:12:34 GMT 1
Biggest chance creator and top assists this season, joke decision to let him go but then what else should we expect. Town fans should be fuming at this but because he said he hoped Wales beat England and he throws his arms around every now and again his importance to us has been forgotten. Can’t wait to see Holmes, High, Mahoney, a kid from Watford and the rest pick up the slack. Massive call. He can’t get a game here but Blackburn want him. Tells you all you need to know about the way we play the game.
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Post by crux on Jan 25, 2023 15:26:01 GMT 1
Biggest chance creator and top assists this season, joke decision to let him go but then what else should we expect. Town fans should be fuming at this but because he said he hoped Wales beat England and he throws his arms around every now and again his importance to us has been forgotten. Can’t wait to see Holmes, High, Mahoney, a kid from Watford and the rest pick up the slack. Massive call. He can’t get a game here but Blackburn want him. Tells you all you need to know about the way we play the game. Sorba has been 'out of form' for most of the season. He clearly needed a rest after last season, but didn't get it because of his Wales matches and training. He was awful at the start of the season, along with a number of others, but at least he had a reasonable excuse with the lack of rest. He had been getting better as the season went on, but nowhere near back to the levels of last season. A loan deal would be better than a sale, especially as we may have new owners and head coach at the end of the season. I still don't understand the amount of abuse he gets, not for his performances - I moan and groan if I don't think he's performing anywhere near the level he can - but, for just seemingly being Sorba Thomas. I can understand him if he just wants to get away.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 25, 2023 15:27:42 GMT 1
More than anything, I’m thinking that Thomas is a victim of how we play the game under MF. I do not believe that a player loses his abilities over a few week’s. I do not believe that Sorba has lost the ability that makes his dead ball delivery a lethal weapon at this level. Unfortunately, it looks like he will be creating opportunities for Brereton Diaz rather than for any of our “strikers”
I’d lose heart and enthusiasm if I played in his position for our club at the moment.
Sad to see this happen personally, but understand it totally.
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Jan 25, 2023 15:31:00 GMT 1
Exactly, a star under Carlos but not good enough for a spot on the bench under MF. Do me a favour.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 25, 2023 15:54:54 GMT 1
Biggest chance creator and top assists this season, joke decision to let him go but then what else should we expect. Town fans should be fuming at this but because he said he hoped Wales beat England and he throws his arms around every now and again his importance to us has been forgotten. Can’t wait to see Holmes, High, Mahoney, a kid from Watford and the rest pick up the slack. Massive call. He can’t get a game here but Blackburn want him. Tells you all you need to know about the way we play the game. Dont think it proves much other than Blackburn are interested in the player Sorba was LAST SEASON! They hope if they take him he can recapture that form. If he cant, well its only the waste of a loan. I doubt they'd be remotely interested in taking the player Sorba has been THIS season,, and from our point of view, thats the player we have available to us unfortunately.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 25, 2023 16:00:04 GMT 1
More than anything, I’m thinking that Thomas is a victim of how we play the game under MF. I do not believe that a player loses his abilities over a few week’s. I do not believe that Sorba has lost the ability that makes his dead ball delivery a lethal weapon at this level. Unfortunately, it looks like he will be creating opportunities for Brereton Diaz rather than for any of our “strikers” I’d lose heart and enthusiasm if I played in his position for our club at the moment. Sad to see this happen personally, but understand it totally. Fotheringham ( and Schofield before him ) hasnt been running on the pitch telling Sorba to arse another cross up, or miscontrol the ball. His form made him unrecognisable from last season player right from the start this time, long before MF joined the club. Just like his set piece delivery and crossing in open play being great was down to the player last season, the lack of ability to do it remotely as well this season is also down to the player.
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Jan 25, 2023 16:00:50 GMT 1
Massive call. He can’t get a game here but Blackburn want him. Tells you all you need to know about the way we play the game. Dont think it proves much other than Blackburn are interested in the player Sorba was LAST SEASON! They hope if they take him he can recapture that form. If he cant, well its only the waste of a loan. I doubt they'd be remotely interested in taking the player Sorba has been THIS season,, and from our point of view, thats the player we have available to us unfortunately. Why can’t we help him recapture it? Are we really overrun with flair players who can create? We’ve got sod all going forwards at the minute.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 25, 2023 16:04:03 GMT 1
We cant afford him this season. I have no idea if he takes his ball home when critisiced or if things are not going well but I am tired of watching him run like a rabbit after defenders he is never going to stop playing the ball and then meander back to 'defend', where he never tackles or wins a header and is constantly pointing, usually at his man who has run/wandered past him. We dont play with 2 forwards as a rule and he simply cant play a dual role. As above, I dont know him personally, so the comments are on what I see of him on the pitch. We 'managed' with him in a successful season, we cant in an unsuccessful one. His ability isnt under question, his attitude and limited 'vital' contribution to this years team, tactics and league position is. All 10 outfield need to frame and play to the managers tactics, like them or not, for us to get a result, a couple of headers or bundles in at set pieces and a worldy from nicolls plus a couple of bad misses from the opposition are not happening. Fine lines...
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 25, 2023 16:07:59 GMT 1
Dont think it proves much other than Blackburn are interested in the player Sorba was LAST SEASON! They hope if they take him he can recapture that form. If he cant, well its only the waste of a loan. I doubt they'd be remotely interested in taking the player Sorba has been THIS season,, and from our point of view, thats the player we have available to us unfortunately. Why can’t we help him recapture it? Are we really overrun with flair players who can create? We’ve got sod all going forwards at the minute. Player attitude would be my guess. I dont think Sorba has been the same player since he first got called up to the Wales squad myself. When Jones made his little cameos earlier this season he looked ten times more effective than Thomas. Weve just brought in 3 wide attacking players so hopefully they will provide the creativity weve been lacking. he wouldn't be the first player who has one good season ( or half a good season in Jon Russells case ) and thinks hes the bees knees, set for the big time, maybe doesnt have to show the same commitment because hes too good for this level...and then doesnt look remotely like the same player.
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Post by Toxic Ted on Jan 25, 2023 16:12:11 GMT 1
Good work Town. We’ve got 4 identikit strikers who are all old & slow but can feed off quality balls into the box.
Obviously, we then loan out our best winger, our assist machine and the best set-piece taker in the division.
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Post by space hardware on Jan 25, 2023 16:13:58 GMT 1
Good work Town. We’ve got 4 identikit strikers who are all old & slow but can feed off quality balls into the box. Obviously, we then loan out our best winger, our assist machine and the best set-piece taker in the division. If I'm a good judge of sarcasm I'd say you're not exactly impressed with this 😁
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Jan 25, 2023 16:14:26 GMT 1
More than anything, I’m thinking that Thomas is a victim of how we play the game under MF. I do not believe that a player loses his abilities over a few week’s. I do not believe that Sorba has lost the ability that makes his dead ball delivery a lethal weapon at this level. Unfortunately, it looks like he will be creating opportunities for Brereton Diaz rather than for any of our “strikers” I’d lose heart and enthusiasm if I played in his position for our club at the moment. Sad to see this happen personally, but understand it totally. Fotheringham ( and Schofield before him ) hasnt been running on the pitch telling Sorba to arse another cross up, or miscontrol the ball. His form made him unrecognisable from last season player right from the start this time, long before MF joined the club. Just like his set piece delivery and crossing in open play being great was down to the player last season, the lack of ability to do it remotely as well this season is also down to the player. Think it might be a couple of reasons - coaching being just one. The other thing may be his pre and mid-season preparation. Last season, Carlos was gushing about how he was the first player to report in and how he wanted extra sessions. This season, with being involved in the Wales squad, he came into pre-season late and, by virtue of his involvement in the World Cup, he didn't get the same mid-season team training the rest have had. Finally, the reason he came into pre-season early last year was that he was a nobody. The reason he was late this time is that he is a somebody. And maybe that has impacted his attitude.
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Post by ball on Jan 25, 2023 16:21:32 GMT 1
Won’t play much for us, one of the highest earners, potential value in future sale needs protecting. No brainier for me
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 25, 2023 16:25:03 GMT 1
Good work Town. We’ve got 4 identikit strikers who are all old & slow but can feed off quality balls into the box. Obviously, we then loan out our best winger, our assist machine and the best set-piece taker in the division. Is this post from last season?
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Post by sonny on Jan 25, 2023 16:27:58 GMT 1
Great player unless the ball is moving.
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Post by Tiro on Jan 25, 2023 16:30:38 GMT 1
Won’t play much for us, one of the highest earners, potential value in future sale needs protecting. No brainier for me Surely not one of the highest earners? He came form non-league and had one good season.
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Post by ball on Jan 25, 2023 16:33:29 GMT 1
Won’t play much for us, one of the highest earners, potential value in future sale needs protecting. No brainier for me Surely not one of the highest earners? He came form non-league and had one good season. I’d of thought when he resigned last summer it would of put him into the top 5/6 with LOB and toffolo leaving
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Post by Tiro on Jan 25, 2023 16:34:22 GMT 1
Surely not one of the highest earners? He came form non-league and had one good season. I’d of thought when he resigned last summer it would of put him into the top 5/6 with LOB and toffolo leaving He certainly has ‘resigned’, you’re quite right there.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 25, 2023 16:51:24 GMT 1
More than anything, I’m thinking that Thomas is a victim of how we play the game under MF. I do not believe that a player loses his abilities over a few week’s. I do not believe that Sorba has lost the ability that makes his dead ball delivery a lethal weapon at this level. Unfortunately, it looks like he will be creating opportunities for Brereton Diaz rather than for any of our “strikers” I’d lose heart and enthusiasm if I played in his position for our club at the moment. Sad to see this happen personally, but understand it totally. Fotheringham ( and Schofield before him ) hasnt been running on the pitch telling Sorba to arse another cross up, or miscontrol the ball. His form made him unrecognisable from last season player right from the start this time, long before MF joined the club. Just like his set piece delivery and crossing in open play being great was down to the player last season, the lack of ability to do it remotely as well this season is also down to the player. If he moves I guess we’ll have more of an idea. I’d have thought a club close to the play off places would be looking at this as an opportunity to boost their creativity.
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Post by aca00js on Jan 25, 2023 16:52:14 GMT 1
I'm guessing this has all stemmed from a falling out between him and the best coach from Germany?
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 25, 2023 17:10:30 GMT 1
At the end of the day Thomas has been poor for a while. Something has happened. What that something is, is a moot point. May it have to do with the way we play, if it is, then he is better going somewhere else and getting back to the form he had. However, I’m not convinced it’s anything to do with the way we play as talent doesn’t disappear with good players and his talent has disappeared. If a player can’t adapt then they need to move on. In my opinion, he would be no great loss.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 25, 2023 17:18:47 GMT 1
More than anything, I’m thinking that Thomas is a victim of how we play the game under MF. I do not believe that a player loses his abilities over a few week’s. I do not believe that Sorba has lost the ability that makes his dead ball delivery a lethal weapon at this level. Unfortunately, it looks like he will be creating opportunities for Brereton Diaz rather than for any of our “strikers” I’d lose heart and enthusiasm if I played in his position for our club at the moment. Sad to see this happen personally, but understand it totally. Fotheringham ( and Schofield before him ) hasnt been running on the pitch telling Sorba to arse another cross up, or miscontrol the ball. His form made him unrecognisable from last season player right from the start this time, long before MF joined the club. Just like his set piece delivery and crossing in open play being great was down to the player last season, the lack of ability to do it remotely as well this season is also down to the player. steady is reason allowed on here?
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Post by Malvern Tom (WAHLS) on Jan 25, 2023 17:22:07 GMT 1
Sorba Thomas has not been worthy of his place in the team this season. Anyone who blames the manager for Thomas forgetting how to kick a football from dead ball situations is a fool.
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Post by runner76 on Jan 25, 2023 17:31:06 GMT 1
I'm guessing this has all stemmed from a falling out between him and the best coach from Germany? What falling out....? Did I miss that?!
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Post by mosher on Jan 25, 2023 17:33:23 GMT 1
Sorba Thomas has not been worthy of his place in the team this season. Anyone who blames the manager for Thomas forgetting how to kick a football from dead ball situations is a fool. How dare you. EVERYTHING is MF's fault. Or DH's. Or PH's. Anyone but the player themselves. Surprised this board isn't blaming Maureen since she visited this week. She obviously gave the thumbs up to get rid. I have no clue why he's been so shit this season, could be any of the above or his call-ups, head been turned by fellow internationals, attitude, something else in his personal life. I don't see how MF can get the blame for him being shit before he even got here though, as you say.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jan 25, 2023 17:34:07 GMT 1
Sorba Thomas has not been worthy of his place in the team this season. Anyone who blames the manager for Thomas forgetting how to kick a football from dead ball situations is a fool. As I've said before, the lad has been on a hell of a ride. 2 years ago this month he was playing non-league. Then he moves up several divisions to fully pro football at the other end of the country. He has a superb season in his first full season, gets called up by his country and ends up at Wembley, before heading to the World cup. In between, he has 3 managers in 6 months. That his form has gone is gutting. That his head has gone is not hugely surprising. If you don't think the coaching staff have a duty to work with him on that there is something very wrong with your thought process. The decline is huge, and worrying. And it's a trend. See also John Russell, albeit to a lesser extent. If this isn't a huge part of MF's job, what is? Putting out the cones, giving the lads basic tactical guidance (and our tactics are pretty fucking basic) and telling stories of his dad's scaffolding exploits? This is a failure of our system. Simple. The same way that spotting him and turning him from a non-league player to a world cup player in 18 months is not all down to Sorba, but is in huge part a success of it.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 25, 2023 17:39:43 GMT 1
Sorba Thomas has not been worthy of his place in the team this season. Anyone who blames the manager for Thomas forgetting how to kick a football from dead ball situations is a fool. As I've said before, the lad has been on a hell of a ride. 2 years ago this month he was playing non-league. Then he moves up several divisions to fully pro football at the other end of the country. He has a superb season in his first full season, gets called up by his country and ends up at Wembley, before heading to the World cup. In between, he has 3 managers in 6 months. That his form has gone is gutting. That his head has gone is not hugely surprising. If you don't think the coaching staff have a duty to work with him on that there is something very wrong with your thought process. The decline is huge, and worrying. And it's a trend. See also John Russell, albeit to a lesser extent. If this isn't a huge part of MF's job, what is? Putting out the cones, giving the lads basic tactical guidance (and our tactics are pretty fucking basic) and telling stories of his dad's scaffolding exploits? This is a failure of our system. Simple. The same way that spotting him and turning him from a non-league player to a world cup player in 18 months is not all down to Sorba, but is in huge part a success of it. So any young player who loses form for a long period of time should carry on being paid, handsomely, by the club, any club, and partake in therapy carried out by the manager?
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Post by mosher on Jan 25, 2023 17:40:06 GMT 1
Sorba Thomas has not been worthy of his place in the team this season. Anyone who blames the manager for Thomas forgetting how to kick a football from dead ball situations is a fool. As I've said before, the lad has been on a hell of a ride. 2 years ago this month he was playing non-league. Then he moves up several divisions to fully pro football at the other end of the country. He has a superb season in his first full season, gets called up by his country and ends up at Wembley, before heading to the World cup. In between, he has 3 managers in 6 months. That his form has gone is gutting. That his head has gone is not hugely surprising. If you don't think the coaching staff have a duty to work with him on that there is something very wrong with your thought process. The decline is huge, and worrying. And it's a trend. See also John Russell, albeit to a lesser extent. If this isn't a huge part of MF's job, what is? Putting out the cones, giving the lads basic tactical guidance (and our tactics are pretty fucking basic) and telling stories of his dad's scaffolding exploits? This is a failure of our system. Simple. The same way that spotting him and turning him from a non-league player to a world cup player in 18 months is not all down to Sorba, but is in huge part a success of it. Not disputing any of that G. Just that some people seem to blame everything on someone else nowadays, nothing seems to be down to the individual any more. I agree the coaching setup should be trying to sort it, but who's to say they haven't. Maybe they have and he's chucked it back in their face? Not saying that's what's happened as I'm definitely not itk as they say, just saying I wouldn't rule anything out until one of the "inside guys" on here confirms or denies it.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 25, 2023 17:49:37 GMT 1
Even last season he didn't have many games where his open play performance was good. But he would pop up with a dead ball assist and you forget how many crosses he scuffed or the silly amount of times he tridd to flick it around a defender instead of just controlling it
His demeanor on the pitch leaves a lot to be desired too.
Good move this if we have a decent replacement lined up
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Post by bluebell on Jan 25, 2023 17:52:39 GMT 1
Even last season he didn't have many games where his open play performance was good. But he would pop up with a dead ball assist and you forget how many crosses he scuffed or the silly amount of times he tridd to flick it around a defender instead of just controlling it His demeanor on the pitch leaves a lot to be desired too. Good move this if we have a decent replacement lined up I think the replacements are already here, plus we have jones and Koroma - Koroma might well have got his hunger back .
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