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Post by tepidterrier on May 30, 2023 20:37:07 GMT 1
If the players don't want him around, we really might be better keeping him away. Let's hope whoever it is can change his attitude & up his game, IMO, he has always been distinctly average in open play, a one trick pony who relies on set pieces. Do you reckon the culture created by Fotheringham would've brought out the best in anyone's personalities though? The squad was divided, results were weighing heavy and the guy in charge was an abrasive buffoon who hung his players out to dry (including Thomas- he was calling him one of the dressing room leaders one week then implied he was disliked by the squad the next week). If Fotheringham sent Thomas to train with the kids instead of loaned him in January, Warnock would've 100% brought him back into the fold and probably brought the best out of him, as he did with everyone else bar Camara. Interesting to see what'll happen now Warnock looks to be staying on. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on May 30, 2023 21:17:07 GMT 1
It probably benefits him. He clearly had second season syndrome last season Not all his fault. Jon Russell has said publicly the way Corberan left was unsettling. Given Thomas signed a new deal weeks before that happened he must have been shcoked. Then Schofield played him on the left wing for some reason. A minority of fans got on his back and targeted him. Then he had Fotheringham! He had a short summer last year due to the play offs. Unlike others he played in the World Cup (so no break there either). Basically he's barely stopped since breaking through, so a proper break this summer may help Judging by his performance when he came on for Barnsley yesterday, he's still very unsettled by it! He was laughably bad yesterday. Twice he tried to beat a man whilst walking slowly towards him, staring him in the eyes. I know he’s not quick but he needs to at least try to move his feet. |
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Post by 3Pipe on May 30, 2023 21:32:55 GMT 1
If Fotheringham sent Thomas to train with the kids instead of loaned him in January, Warnock would've 100% brought him back into the fold and probably brought the best out of him, as he did with everyone else bar Camara. Interesting to see what'll happen now Warnock looks to be staying on. And yet Fotheringham had Camara looking like Camavinga for a while there up to Christmas. |
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Post by 28901 on May 30, 2023 22:01:09 GMT 1
Judging by his performance when he came on for Barnsley yesterday, he's still very unsettled by it! He was laughably bad yesterday. Twice he tried to beat a man whilst walking slowly towards him, staring him in the eyes. I know he’s not quick but he needs to at least try to move his feet. Funny thing is when he broke into the Town team he was doing exactly the same, but ssomehiw didn't lose it and it often paid off. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 30, 2023 22:16:49 GMT 1
He was laughably bad yesterday. Twice he tried to beat a man whilst walking slowly towards him, staring him in the eyes. I know he’s not quick but he needs to at least try to move his feet. Funny thing is when he broke into the Town team he was doing exactly the same, but ssomehiw didn't lose it and it often paid off. That’s what I’ve been thinking. He had a languid style yet was always in control of the ball. He had a great short passing technique and looked the real deal. Crazy that he hasn’t pushed on. |
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Post by htafc on May 30, 2023 23:04:25 GMT 1
i think he should stay if he is poor sell in January
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Post by Captainslapper on May 31, 2023 9:02:49 GMT 1
Judging by his performance when he came on for Barnsley yesterday, he's still very unsettled by it! He was laughably bad yesterday. Twice he tried to beat a man whilst walking slowly towards him, staring him in the eyes. I know he’s not quick but he needs to at least try to move his feet. Ive seen trees with more mobility! Be interesting to know what the medical departments of Town, Chelsea and now Barnsley think about Russell. To me his whole body shape looks wrong. Top heavy and his movement isnt right somehow when he does run. Never was but as hes bulked up its perhaps effecting him more. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 31, 2023 10:29:48 GMT 1
If the players don't want him around, we really might be better keeping him away. Let's hope whoever it is can change his attitude & up his game, IMO, he has always been distinctly average in open play, a one trick pony who relies on set pieces. Do you reckon the culture created by Fotheringham would've brought out the best in anyone's personalities though? The squad was divided, results were weighing heavy and the guy in charge was an abrasive buffoon who hung his players out to dry (including Thomas- he was calling him one of the dressing room leaders one week then implied he was disliked by the squad the next week). If Fotheringham sent Thomas to train with the kids instead of loaned him in January, Warnock would've 100% brought him back into the fold and probably brought the best out of him, as he did with everyone else bar Camara. Interesting to see what'll happen now Warnock looks to be staying on. Totally understand what you're saying, though I'd have thought that MF being so bad would have united the squad to support each other, so Thomas pissing off the players isn't a good sign, IMO. However, I'd be delighted to be proved wrong & if the manager can get a tune out of him, fair enough. People do deserve second chances. |
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Post by sapphireblue on May 31, 2023 19:46:03 GMT 1
A quote from a Tyke supporting friend, when I asked him if he thought Russell would be good enough should they be promoted.
(This was before the final)
"He wouldn't be good enough if we were to be relegated."
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 31, 2023 19:58:44 GMT 1
A player with real some quality in possession, but dreadful and prohibitive athleticism.
The type of player that can occasionally work well in a team that compensate for his shortcomings, as we saw the prior season, but unfortunately you're not often going to get that.
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Post by rockwall on May 31, 2023 20:45:50 GMT 1
He was a different player with his affro.
Went downhill with the cornrows.
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Post by Teddington Ted on May 31, 2023 20:48:00 GMT 1
A player with real some quality in possession, but dreadful and prohibitive athleticism. The type of player that can occasionally work well in a team that compensate for his shortcomings, as we saw the prior season, but unfortunately you're not often going to get that. Maybe, but he was terrible in possession at Wembley and, with no other aspect to his game, was an absolute liability on the pitch. |
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Post by jimmythebulldog on May 31, 2023 21:31:50 GMT 1
After seeing the magic NW worked with Koroma - I would have Sorba back in a heartbeat under his guidance.
You will see a different player from the one that went to Blackburn.
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Post by Spike24 on Jun 1, 2023 5:06:17 GMT 1
After seeing the magic NW worked with Koroma - I would have Sorba back in a heartbeat under his guidance. You will see a different player from the one that went to Blackburn. Either that, or he gets the same as Camara did. 'You can have all the talent in the world, but you still got ti work hard on the training pitch'. And ultimately gets frozen out. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jun 1, 2023 9:06:59 GMT 1
After seeing the magic NW worked with Koroma - I would have Sorba back in a heartbeat under his guidance. You will see a different player from the one that went to Blackburn. Either that, or he gets the same as Camara did. 'You can have all the talent in the world, but you still got ti work hard on the training pitch'. And ultimately gets frozen out. I’ve never understood players who want to make it to the top in football but only want to put in half the effort required. There’s not one player playing at the top that isn’t or hasn’t at some point put in a big shift to get there. Totally baffles me. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 1, 2023 9:09:30 GMT 1
After seeing the magic NW worked with Koroma - I would have Sorba back in a heartbeat under his guidance. You will see a different player from the one that went to Blackburn.Hungbo or Pat Jones hopefully. |
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Post by townarentbest on Jun 1, 2023 9:22:39 GMT 1
After seeing the magic NW worked with Koroma - I would have Sorba back in a heartbeat under his guidance. You will see a different player from the one that went to Blackburn. Either that, or he gets the same as Camara did. 'You can have all the talent in the world, but you still got ti work hard on the training pitch'. And ultimately gets frozen out. I don't think Sorba's workrate on or off the pitch is really in question is it...he only really lets himself down in his reaction. Pass whizzes by 5 yards out of his reach, or a decision goes against him, & he spends 5mins ranting outwardly and inwardly and being ineffectual often walking around way out of position as the game continues, and then finding himself running hard back into position chasing the game, still ineffectual. He wastes a lot of potential opportunity. I mean I guess that could be classed as "not working hard" - but I don't think its what people really mean. During the moments he's involved, he's certainly putting effort in. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jun 1, 2023 9:38:48 GMT 1
Either that, or he gets the same as Camara did. 'You can have all the talent in the world, but you still got ti work hard on the training pitch'. And ultimately gets frozen out. I’ve never understood players who want to make it to the top in football but only want to put in half the effort required. There’s not one player playing at the top that isn’t or hasn’t at some point put in a big shift to get there. Totally baffles me. 100% this, just look at Man City now, noone coasts there... & not just cos it's not near the sea. |
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Post by mosher on Jun 1, 2023 9:42:11 GMT 1
Either that, or he gets the same as Camara did. 'You can have all the talent in the world, but you still got ti work hard on the training pitch'. And ultimately gets frozen out. I don't think Sorba's workrate on or off the pitch is really in question is it...he only really lets himself down in his reaction. Pass whizzes by 5 yards out of his reach, or a decision goes against him, & he spends 5mins ranting outwardly and inwardly and being ineffectual often walking around way out of position as the game continues, and then finding himself running hard back into position chasing the game, still ineffectual. He wastes a lot of potential opportunity. I mean I guess that could be classed as "not working hard" - but I don't think its what people really mean. During the moments he's involved, he's certainly putting effort in. I've never thought of ST not working hard DURING GAMES. Maybe people are on about outside game time, training and such, taking part in community projects? I'm not sure how involved he gets in that stuff. The only thing I've noticed is (as someone put above) is his sulking and tantrums during games when things don't go to plan, but from what I've seen of that he seemed to be more frustrated with HIMSELF than what was going on around him. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jun 1, 2023 12:28:02 GMT 1
Either that, or he gets the same as Camara did. 'You can have all the talent in the world, but you still got ti work hard on the training pitch'. And ultimately gets frozen out. I don't think Sorba's workrate on or off the pitch is really in question is it...he only really lets himself down in his reaction. Pass whizzes by 5 yards out of his reach, or a decision goes against him, & he spends 5mins ranting outwardly and inwardly and being ineffectual often walking around way out of position as the game continues, and then finding himself running hard back into position chasing the game, still ineffectual. He wastes a lot of potential opportunity. I mean I guess that could be classed as "not working hard" - but I don't think its what people really mean. During the moments he's involved, he's certainly putting effort in. Was mostly referring to Camara as the one who’s been told to work harder. But it equally applies to every footballer who doesn’t put in the hard yards. |
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Post by royrace on Jun 1, 2023 12:40:31 GMT 1
Warnock is the master of dealing with talented but flawed players, Im seriously looking forward to seeing what he can do with Sorba! Its funny all this talk of his attitude because when he first came on the scene I thought his attitude was superb. Workrate, confidence, fighting spirit etc. Hopefully just needs to be channelled correctly. He now also has a real point to prove after a few setbacks with Town, Blackburn and Wales. Him, Koroma and Hungbo all on top form would give us some very nice options and don't forget his set piece delivery which was ridiculously good the season before last.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 1, 2023 14:43:55 GMT 1
Warnock is the master of dealing with talented but flawed players, Im seriously looking forward to seeing what he can do with Sorba! Its funny all this talk of his attitude because when he first came on the scene I thought his attitude was superb. Workrate, confidence, fighting spirit etc. Hopefully just needs to be channelled correctly. He now also has a real point to prove after a few setbacks with Town, Blackburn and Wales. Him, Koroma and Hungbo all on top form would give us some very nice options and don't forget his set piece delivery which was ridiculously good the season before last. Completely agree. There was a stage that season when we looked as though we were going to score from every set piece. I’m fed up of people majoring on how players performed in the first part of last season. We were a complete shambles and not one player looked good at that stage. If Sorba was upset at the state of things I don’t bloody blame him. A new season , a new start. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Jun 1, 2023 14:53:18 GMT 1
Set pieces may be more of a challenge this season with our expert trainer Narcis moving on.
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Post by ldr on Jun 1, 2023 15:01:18 GMT 1
He can play a mean dead ball but the simple fact is that he cannot beat a man and in his position that is not acceptable. Other teams know he can’t get beyond them and defend accordingly so he is completely nullified as an attacking player.
I get the stats from that season under CC and loved his superb contribution but that’s history. Teams worked us out and played ridiculous high lines at angled dead balls to negate that delivery.
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Post by ldotm on Jun 1, 2023 15:24:37 GMT 1
When players drop off in performance, calling out work rate is the lazy thing to do but most people do it.
Whilst in some situations it can be the case - it also can be confidence, asked to do a different job that doesn’t suit their play (position, tactics etc), or simply they start trying too hard and overthinking things.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 1, 2023 15:30:15 GMT 1
He can play a mean dead ball but the simple fact is that he cannot beat a man and in his position that is not acceptable. Other teams know he can’t get beyond them and defend accordingly so he is completely nullified as an attacking player. I get the stats from that season under CC and loved his superb contribution but that’s history. Teams worked us out and played ridiculous high lines at angled dead balls to negate that delivery. A certain David Beckham couldn’t beat a man. Best crosser of the ball we have seen in years. Look at the career he had. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jun 1, 2023 15:36:06 GMT 1
Not sure where this theory he never beats a man has come from. Sure he's not as silky as Koroma in one versus one but he certainly gets past many fullbacks
I tried to find one of those highlight reels and this is the one I could find. Strangely it's backwards so he looks left footed!
Anyway it makes the point. He does take on and beat full backs
Also, yeah it's a shame Nacho has gone but it's a massive skill to put a set piece in the right area with pace/ whip and Sorba is the best I've seen at Town for that - contrast with Mooy for example who was twice the player but his corners were floaty nothing balls chipped in
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jun 1, 2023 15:37:07 GMT 1
He can play a mean dead ball but the simple fact is that he cannot beat a man and in his position that is not acceptable. Other teams know he can’t get beyond them and defend accordingly so he is completely nullified as an attacking player. I get the stats from that season under CC and loved his superb contribution but that’s history. Teams worked us out and played ridiculous high lines at angled dead balls to negate that delivery. A certain David Beckham couldn’t beat a man. Best crosser of the ball we have seen in years. Look at the career he had. Yes but Beckham got assists and goals, he got assists from open play and around 7-10 goals a year. Thomas from open play is way down on both of those. You cannot play a player, just for set plays you simply cannot do that anymore. It is like the goal hanager cf , those days are gone.
If you spilt Thomas's stats from set plays and open play you will see the contrasting difference in his influence within the team.
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Post by boooothy on Jun 1, 2023 15:37:27 GMT 1
Think we’re bin a little harsh on Sorba, he didn’t play in a World Cup simply cause he took a good corner.
Ironically the exact accusation i made of him when he first got in our team.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jun 1, 2023 15:42:00 GMT 1
A certain David Beckham couldn’t beat a man. Best crosser of the ball we have seen in years. Look at the career he had. Yes but Beckham got assists and goals, he got assists from open play and around 7-10 goals a year. Thomas from open play is way down on both of those. You cannot play a player, just for set plays you simply cannot do that anymore. It is like the goal hanager cf , those days are gone. If you spilt Thomas's stats from set plays and open play you will see the contrasting difference in his influence within the team.
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