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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 1, 2023 15:42:49 GMT 1
A certain David Beckham couldn’t beat a man. Best crosser of the ball we have seen in years. Look at the career he had. Yes but Beckham got assists and goals, he got assists from open play and around 7-10 goals a year. Thomas from open play is way down on both of those. You cannot play a player, just for set plays you simply cannot do that anymore. It is like the goal hanager cf , those days are gone.
If you spilt Thomas's stats from set plays and open play you will see the contrasting difference in his influence within the team.
I’ve seen a lot more than than that in his game . In Carlos’s season he produced some high energy performances and his tracking back was exceptional. I agree he’s got a lot to prove but I do think he’s being subjected to unfair criticism. Personally, I can see him becoming a key part of our team next season. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 1, 2023 15:55:36 GMT 1
If he can return to the player he was up to xmas under Corboran, then yeah he can be a big part of our team.
If hes the player he was last season then he wont get in it.
Its down to him. No one else made him crap all last season and no one else will make him be worth having again.
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Post by ldr on Jun 1, 2023 15:57:14 GMT 1
He can play a mean dead ball but the simple fact is that he cannot beat a man and in his position that is not acceptable. Other teams know he can’t get beyond them and defend accordingly so he is completely nullified as an attacking player. I get the stats from that season under CC and loved his superb contribution but that’s history. Teams worked us out and played ridiculous high lines at angled dead balls to negate that delivery. A certain David Beckham couldn’t beat a man. Best crosser of the ball we have seen in years. Look at the career he had. My mate cites him as well and I nearly referenced him myself. I rated Beckham and yes he rarely went beyond. BUT…he could cross on the run, he crossed early when required, he was amazing at free kicks. He also had world class midfielders that he inter played with to open defences. Beckham is not a good comparison imo. |
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Post by ldr on Jun 1, 2023 16:03:20 GMT 1
Not sure where this theory he never beats a man has come from. Sure he's not as silky as Koroma in one versus one but he certainly gets past many fullbacks I tried to find one of those highlight reels and this is the one I could find. Strangely it's backwards so he looks left footed! Anyway it makes the point. He does take on and beat full backs Also, yeah it's a shame Nacho has gone but it's a massive skill to put a set piece in the right area with pace/ whip and Sorba is the best I've seen at Town for that - contrast with Mooy for example who was twice the player but his corners were floaty nothing balls chipped in Fair enough but last season he got stood up just about every time he received the ball on the front foot. It was predictable to the fans and the opposition. |
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Post by boooothy on Jun 1, 2023 16:12:27 GMT 1
It’s no bad thing he’s been brought down to earth a little with it all to prove again.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jun 1, 2023 16:19:16 GMT 1
It’s no bad thing he’s been brought down to earth a little with it all to prove again. We are hoping that Thomas's ego has calmed down. When he went out on loan, his ego was off the scale . Just read his first interview at Blackburn it was scary how ego ridden he had become. I know for a fact , that the players had got tired of his ego , the club had got tired. The whole thing had come to a head.
I hope for his sake his head has come back from plant Zonck.
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Post by CowshedJack on Jun 1, 2023 16:24:54 GMT 1
To be fair, if I got called up to represent my country at 23 I’d have probably acted like a dickhead as well. I’ve got all the time if he wants to crack on with his football and make up for mistakes, if anyone can get a tune out of that personality, it’s Neil Warnock, look at Koroma.
If he still thinks he’s a premier league player then he can jog on, no time for people rowing the other way after everything that happened with the Danes in the PL.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 1, 2023 17:19:41 GMT 1
A certain David Beckham couldn’t beat a man. Best crosser of the ball we have seen in years. Look at the career he had. My mate cites him as well and I nearly referenced him myself. I rated Beckham and yes he rarely went beyond. BUT…he could cross on the run, he crossed early when required, he was amazing at free kicks. He also had world class midfielders that he inter played with to open defences. Beckham is not a good comparison imo. Obviously I’m not suggesting that Thomas is as good as Beckham. Merely pointing out that not all wingers have the ability to beat a man. But here’s the thing re crossing on the run. How many targets did Thomas have to aim for in open play? We haven’t had a tall target man for years - this is why Thomas repeatedly had to stop and go back. It was the same when another heavily criticised winger was in the team , VLP. I know from experience of watching DB play many times that the reason he was able to play early crosses was the quality targets he had to aim for. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 1, 2023 17:27:56 GMT 1
Got fed up with Sorba for 3 things.
1. Crossing the ball to nobody instead of keeping going, taking the man on or stopping and reassessing.
2. Falling over badly when tackled or even fouled and then petulantly committing a stupid foul in retribution or wasting his breath and any good reaction from officials by continually chelping at them.
3. Running back and then simply pointing at his man or other opponents whilst not actually staying with anyone or defending at all.
We could not afford him last year, I dont think we can afford him next season, unless he sorts himself out or someone sorts him out.
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Post by royrace on Jun 1, 2023 18:06:14 GMT 1
Yes but Beckham got assists and goals, he got assists from open play and around 7-10 goals a year. Thomas from open play is way down on both of those. You cannot play a player, just for set plays you simply cannot do that anymore. It is like the goal hanager cf , those days are gone.
If you spilt Thomas's stats from set plays and open play you will see the contrasting difference in his influence within the team.
I’ve seen a lot more than than that in his game . In Carlos’s season he produced some high energy performances and his tracking back was exceptional. I agree he’s got a lot to prove but I do think he’s being subjected to unfair criticism. Personally, I can see him becoming a key part of our team next season. Exactly, they say you're only as good as your last game and it's true for Sorba at the minute among Town fans! Seems a lot of people are forgetting what he was like in the season before last, much more to his game than set piece delivery and he did beat his man and score goals as well as getting a ridiculous amount of assists from free kicks and corners. Also great at getting the team up the pitch in a similar way to how VLP did. His tracking back was also superb. Last season I saw a young inexperienced player who had just been robbed of a premier league place suddenly find himself at the bottom of the league in a struggling team. He started off looking frustrated and then just went completely off the boil before being shipped out. He certainly wasn't the only one who looked garbage playing in that team. Let Warnock and Ronnie at him and he could be a real asset again. Town fans being Town fans though he could get 20 goals and 20 assists next season and he'll still never be forgiven! Won't be the first scapegoated flair player we've had! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 21:48:53 GMT 1
VLP mentioned as a frustrating player,which is true.However Sorba isn't a fraction of the player in comparison
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 1, 2023 21:53:08 GMT 1
VLP mentioned as a frustrating player,which is true.However Sorba isn't a fraction of the player in comparison VLP. The only player who’s lifted me out of my seat in many a year of watching Town. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 1, 2023 22:01:36 GMT 1
Some fans have to bitch and moan about someone, so let him come back and protect whoever's next in line 😄
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Post by shawsie on Jun 1, 2023 22:44:31 GMT 1
Give the lad a break ffs.
Up to him......got a bit carried away but clearly has ralent and just needs good mgmt. Schofield and Fotheringham were poor - let the new man decide whether hes an integral part of our squad or destined for pastures new.
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Post by ibby on Jun 1, 2023 22:50:32 GMT 1
Could get a lifeline under the new manager.
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Post by bluestripe on Jun 1, 2023 22:52:08 GMT 1
VLP mentioned as a frustrating player,which is true.However Sorba isn't a fraction of the player in comparison VLP. The only player who’s lifted me out of my seat in many a year of watching Town. Somebody memorably replied like this last time you said that 😀 Watched the Town v Brighton highlights on Sky the other night. The one where VLP absolutely terrorises Bruno. Still the only Town player in recent years who got me out of my seat. Got you out of your seat as he beat his man. Then put you back in your seat as he refused to cross it. Then got you out of your seat as he beat the same man again. Then put you back in it as he refused to use Lowe on the overlap. Then got you back out of your seat as he beat the defender for a third time. Then put you firmly back in your seat as he scuffed his cross in to the box which is easily cleared A good workout for your quads and glutes though |
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Post by CowshedJack on Jun 1, 2023 23:03:17 GMT 1
VLP mentioned as a frustrating player,which is true.However Sorba isn't a fraction of the player in comparison VLP. The only player who’s lifted me out of my seat in many a year of watching Town. VLP has to be the most overrated town player ever. A poor man’s Sean Scannell, he’s scored 11 goals and got 13 assists in 9 years ffs. That’s in 200 games! He couldn’t score or assist in the Greek second division. He had absolutely no end product and his goal against West Brom was an absolute fluke. I will die on this hill. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 2, 2023 5:34:50 GMT 1
VLP. The only player who’s lifted me out of my seat in many a year of watching Town. VLP has to be the most overrated town player ever. A poor man’s Sean Scannell, he’s scored 11 goals and got 13 assists in 9 years ffs. That’s in 200 games! He couldn’t score or assist in the Greek second division. He had absolutely no end product and his goal against West Brom was an absolute fluke. I will die on this hill. And that's why our most successful manager of the last 50 years played him every game 🤔 |
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Post by morleyterrier on Jun 2, 2023 7:51:27 GMT 1
In terms of VLP, would like to see some stats based on games he has played in and not played in over the last good few years. Vastly under-rated. Since he left, we have not had anybody help keep the ball up the other end of the pitch like he could. Which for those that need to be educated, takes pressure away from Midfielders and Defenders rather than  after of the ball coming straight back. Yes, yes his final ball was poor at times. If he had this in his locker, he would never have been anywhere near Town. |
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Post by rockwall on Jun 2, 2023 8:13:01 GMT 1
VLP. The only player who’s lifted me out of my seat in many a year of watching Town. VLP has to be the most overrated town player ever. A poor man’s Sean Scannell, he’s scored 11 goals and got 13 assists in 9 years ffs. That’s in 200 games! He couldn’t score or assist in the Greek second division. He had absolutely no end product and his goal against West Brom was an absolute fluke. I will die on this hill. Poor comparison. Scannell has only got 11 goals in the last 11 years... and that is 230 games. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jun 2, 2023 8:23:05 GMT 1
VLP. The only player who’s lifted me out of my seat in many a year of watching Town. VLP has to be the most overrated town player ever. A poor man’s Sean Scannell, he’s scored 11 goals and got 13 assists in 9 years ffs. That’s in 200 games! He couldn’t score or assist in the Greek second division. He had absolutely no end product and his goal against West Brom was an absolute fluke. I will die on this hill. Bollocks. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jun 2, 2023 8:38:58 GMT 1
VLP. The only player who’s lifted me out of my seat in many a year of watching Town. VLP has to be the most overrated town player ever. A poor man’s Sean Scannell, he’s scored 11 goals and got 13 assists in 9 years ffs. That’s in 200 games! He couldn’t score or assist in the Greek second division. He had absolutely no end product and his goal against West Brom was an absolute fluke. I will die on this hill. poor man's Scannell?! They were both at the club at the same time for a few years. VLP was a main feature of the promotion team, Scannell was rarely in the side that season. VLP was one of our better players in the first PL season, while Scannell was sent on loan to, erm, Burton Albion... |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 2, 2023 9:03:47 GMT 1
VLP has to be the most overrated town player ever. A poor man’s Sean Scannell, he’s scored 11 goals and got 13 assists in 9 years ffs. That’s in 200 games! He couldn’t score or assist in the Greek second division. He had absolutely no end product and his goal against West Brom was an absolute fluke. I will die on this hill. Bollocks. Seconded |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 2, 2023 9:10:29 GMT 1
VLP has to be the most overrated town player ever. A poor man’s Sean Scannell, he’s scored 11 goals and got 13 assists in 9 years ffs. That’s in 200 games! He couldn’t score or assist in the Greek second division. He had absolutely no end product and his goal against West Brom was an absolute fluke. I will die on this hill. And that's why our most successful manager of the last 50 years played him every game 🤔 Capable of producing mesmerising skill yet disciplined by DW to work for the team. |
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Post by benhomly on Jun 2, 2023 9:15:29 GMT 1
I liked them both. They were both characters and entertainers, something sadly lacking in the game these days. I'll never forget VLP going down like he'd been shot right in front of Mourinho at Old Trafford. Hilarious.
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Post by Next Manager coming soon on Jun 2, 2023 9:35:11 GMT 1
Admittedly I haven’t read this thread completely but is the conversation Sorba V RVLP? If so there’s no comparison.
Raj was way way better. Sorba’s delivery is better but that is the ONLY category where he would be above Raj. It’s not even close.
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Post by CowshedJack on Jun 2, 2023 9:41:08 GMT 1
Ahaha, I was mostly joking with the comparison to Sean Scannell. However, I do think VLP was incredibly overrated. Poor stats, poor final ball and poor attitude tbh. There’s a reason the clubs he played for when he left have been second and third tier of Germany, Spain and Greece, when he can even get into their teams. The way people bang on about him; you’d have thought it was Ronaldo cutting down the wing.
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Post by Next Manager coming soon on Jun 2, 2023 9:50:39 GMT 1
Ahaha, I was mostly joking with the comparison to Sean Scannell. However, I do think VLP was incredibly overrated. Poor stats, poor final ball and poor attitude tbh. There’s a reason the clubs he played for when he left have been second and third tier of Germany, Spain and Greece, when he can even get into their teams. The way people bang on about him; you’d have thought it was Ronaldo cutting down the wing. Im not banging on about him. I’m saying he’s better (or was in his prime) than Sorba. Simple. |
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Post by CowshedJack on Jun 2, 2023 9:53:05 GMT 1
Ahaha, I was mostly joking with the comparison to Sean Scannell. However, I do think VLP was incredibly overrated. Poor stats, poor final ball and poor attitude tbh. There’s a reason the clubs he played for when he left have been second and third tier of Germany, Spain and Greece, when he can even get into their teams. The way people bang on about him; you’d have thought it was Ronaldo cutting down the wing. Im not banging on about him. I’m saying he’s better (or was in his prime) than Sorba. Simple. Yeah I was talking about a lot of town fans not just the people on DATM. |
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Post by mosher on Jun 2, 2023 9:59:25 GMT 1
To be fair, if I got called up to represent my country at 23 I’d have probably acted like a dickhead as well. I’ve got all the time if he wants to crack on with his football and make up for mistakes, if anyone can get a tune out of that personality, it’s Neil Warnock, look at Koroma. If he still thinks he’s a premier league player then he can jog on, no time for people rowing the other way after everything that happened with the Danes in the PL. I've seen this cited on here before, but from what I saw the Danes weren't the ones who downed tools and/or were too shit for League 1, never mind the PL. Zanka, Billing and Lossl I wouldn't have said threw in the towel, more ginger dwarf, speed twins and TK, among others. Or did I miss something? |
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