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Post by sabailand on Aug 27, 2022 19:47:48 GMT 1
The game itsef was actually a good one, anybody who just bought a ticket cos they fancied some live football for a change will have been rewarded, its just the disappointing circumstances in which we got our point, i admit i thought we might lose when they equalized but we kept on battling and went close late on.
Scored in every match since Burnley but no clean sheets yet.
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Post by buxtonboys101 on Aug 27, 2022 19:53:56 GMT 1
Very strange substitutions. Thought taking REG off was harsh as he was having a good game. But bringing on the liability that is Boyle was crazy. He was so fortunate with the challenge in the box too. On another day that would be a penalty. It evens it up now for the non penalty given to Stoke in the last home match. Boyle is what he is: a lower league centre back. This idea that buying cheap is going to work is ridiculous you get what you pay for especially in the long run and we have had a great long run of picking up bargains. Why pay Boyle and Mahony to sit on the bench yet let Sarr leave because he was too expensive? If those two were regarded as Championship quality why are neither anywhere near the first eleven?
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Aug 27, 2022 19:55:35 GMT 1
Right I was accused of being a broken record bringing up Hoyle and perhaps rightly so, but this ā we have a decent squadā imo thatās bollocks and be the decent championship standard quality players instead of making a statement back it up , I will give you Nichols Anjorin Pearson Lees Thomas ( if he pulls his finger out ) Rhodes (as a bit part player) but thatās hardly a squad is it a few players that can be competitive Time and patience will back me up Maybe but patience for what weāre do you see your team or doesnāt it matter if we drop into the non leagues cos we are Town and we blindly support And EM you still havenāt named the excellent players |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 27, 2022 19:57:36 GMT 1
High horse? Patience was given to Corberan? By who? Folk on here were slating him and demanding we get rid. Fickle folk as always. I have no opinion on DS yet. Far too early to call You say far too early to call the negatives, but also repeatedly talk about our good squad and that this patience will be 'rewarded'. Surely you can't have it both ways - it's too early to call that as well, no? You're a good lad Sio and I don't want to get into an argument with you. I guess sensible folk should agree that it's too early to be either negative or positive but in reality the negativity feels overwhelming. I'd prefer to light a candle than curse the darkness |
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Post by drewden on Aug 27, 2022 19:58:49 GMT 1
I thought Schofield was out of his depth before but have I just read in his comments that he thought Russel was excellent?  Wow, deluded or what. I wouldn't have Russell anywhere near the squad. He's a bloody liability. I would rather play Camara. But the fact we are not looking to strengthen midfield is criminal. It's the main weakness. Our midfield was non existent in the second half, the space they had going forward was alarming, the Burnley game was the same. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 27, 2022 19:59:49 GMT 1
I keep seeing that we've got a "decent squad". It's a wafer thin squad, lacking in quality in key areas. It's not decent, it's nowhere near that. Agreed, it's gash. Some Town fans have lost the plot, well the ones saying they enjoyed this afternoon and that we played some 'enterprising football' I didn't see any football this afternoon at all, just long ball nonsense. It was pretty grim stuff today despite the worldy and capitalising on a defensive error. Sometimes you make a valid point but just blow it out of the water with the ridiculous exaggerations. The squad isnāt āgashā. Today the match day squad was weak compared to the previous 12 months in my opinion, Hogg, Pearson and Lees being the biggest current absentees. West Brom are no mugs. A āgashā squad would have lost 4-0. I enjoyed the game, I havenāt lost the plot. I can enjoy a game we donāt win. I enjoyed the first 40 minutes watching Town play, then the next hour was emotions, worried we would lose and also hoping we would win, thatās why I go to football, for the pure emotion and feelings that you donāt really get in life away from football. If you didnāt see any football then you need to open your eyes. Just because it isnāt free flowing passing football doesnāt mean there isnāt a system. If you canāt see it doesnāt mean no one else can. Some people wonāt like it, letting teams have the ball wide, every man back defending, putting the foot through the ball, thatās fine and obviously will be discussed but to generalise it as long ball nonsense shows your lack of awareness. Or you are just talking crap. Im not sure which. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 27, 2022 20:01:44 GMT 1
Time and patience will back me up Maybe but patience for what weāre do you see your team or doesnāt it matter if we drop into the non leagues cos we are Town and we blindly support And EM you still havenāt named the excellent players Sorry I can't decipher your post. When did I use the words 'excellent players'? |
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Post by ACW on Aug 27, 2022 20:02:13 GMT 1
Agreed, it's gash. Some Town fans have lost the plot, well the ones saying they enjoyed this afternoon and that we played some 'enterprising football' I didn't see any football this afternoon at all, just long ball nonsense. It was pretty grim stuff today despite the worldy and capitalising on a defensive error. Must be a nightmare when we score for you lads, trying to shoehorn something positive into what youāve already decided. It was exactly the same last season, and we came third. The problem is, the general standard of our football last season was far superior to what we are seeing this season. Corberan had a clear plan, and you could see it in action. Not to everyone's taste, but you could clearly see what he set out to do. And,crucially, the players knew what they were doing. I see none of this plan/structure/preparation/style this season. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2022 20:03:04 GMT 1
Frustrating at times but WBA have some decent players and a squad that has been together for quite a while.
Two really good goals and Ruffels shot near the end was a cracker. If Rhodes gets his header on target or the defender doesnāt stop the pass to Ward (I think) by sticking a toe out we could have won it.
Some of the players are starting to find their feet. Tino was good, Rudoni looks better each game and KKH looks like he will be a great find. Sorbaās crossing was back to his very high standard as well.
They need to play together more and get some cohesion. Also some confidence. The way we attacked for the two goals and the last 10-15 minutes shows what we can do.
They need some time but I think they will do fine.
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 27, 2022 20:06:13 GMT 1
Must be a nightmare when we score for you lads, trying to shoehorn something positive into what youāve already decided. It was exactly the same last season, and we came third. The problem is, the general standard of our football last season was far superior to what we are seeing this season. Corberan had a clear plan, and you could see it in a tion. Not to everyone's taste, but you could clearly see what he set out to do. And,crucially, the players knew what they were doing. I see none of this plan/structure/preparation/style this season. I donāt disagree with that but we have been somewhat plunged into turmoil with Corberan leaving half way though pre-season. Iām sure that was massively disruptive to things behind the scenes. When you add to that the injuries to Pearson and Kasumu we are definitely playing catch up. Is that easier to manage if club are given some time or if everyone loses their shit? |
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Post by ACW on Aug 27, 2022 20:08:29 GMT 1
The problem is, the general standard of our football last season was far superior to what we are seeing this season. Corberan had a clear plan, and you could see it in a tion. Not to everyone's taste, but you could clearly see what he set out to do. And,crucially, the players knew what they were doing. I see none of this plan/structure/preparation/style this season. I donāt disagree with that but we have been somewhat plunged into turmoil with Corberan leaving half way though pre-season. Iām sure that was massively disruptive to things behind the scenes. When you add to that the injuries to Pearson and Kasumu we are definitely playing catch up. Is that easier to manage if club are given some time or if everyone loses their shit? I'm not "losing my shit". I'm commenting on the game and highlighting my concerns. |
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 27, 2022 20:08:45 GMT 1
How about say nothing, but saying he was excellent, even Russel would be embarrassed with that. By all means defend a player, but donāt outright lie, does he think everyone is dim? Maybe from the coaches perspective (ie. His own opinion) he was excellent, it his opinion, just because you donāt agree thatās your opinion, Schofield probably thinks you are entitled to your opinion, thankfully for most people on here we respect your opinion even though in my opinion you do seem somewhat dim, by the way I also think Big Erm is beyond dim.šš Crikey, I think the same about you. I do respect your ability to roll turds in glitter the way that you do though. |
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 27, 2022 20:09:35 GMT 1
I donāt disagree with that but we have been somewhat plunged into turmoil with Corberan leaving half way though pre-season. Iām sure that was massively disruptive to things behind the scenes. When you add to that the injuries to Pearson and Kasumu we are definitely playing catch up. Is that easier to manage if club are given some time or if everyone loses their shit? I'm not "losing my shit". I'm commenting on the game and highlighting my concerns. Apologies was airing my frustrations with the wider negative crew on here there. The concerns are valid but I believe they are being addressed |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2022 20:12:10 GMT 1
I thought Schofield was out of his depth before but have I just read in his comments that he thought Russel was excellent? Wow, deluded or what. I wouldn't have Russell anywhere near the squad. He's a bloody liability. I would rather play Camara. But the fact we are not looking to strengthen midfield is criminal. It's the main weakness. It was Russellās persistence hassling their midfielder which led to the second goal. He may not be pulling up trees but praise where it is due. I think Camara will start to get more game time. He is quicker in thought and movement from what I have seen but it may be a difficult run to give him starts at the moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2022 20:14:48 GMT 1
Very strange substitutions. Thought taking REG off was harsh as he was having a good game. But bringing on the liability that is Boyle was crazy. He was so fortunate with the challenge in the box too. On another day that would be a penalty. It evens it up now for the non penalty given to Stoke in the last home match. Boyle is what he is: a lower league centre back. This idea that buying cheap is going to work is ridiculous you get what you pay for especially in the long run and we have had a great long run of picking up bargains. Why pay Boyle and Mahony to sit on the bench yet let Sarr leave because he was too expensive? If those two were regarded as Championship quality why are neither anywhere near the first eleven? REG had picked up a problem. I thought Boyle did OK. The tackle was a bit clumsy but he didnāt have much choice, and Grant was always going to go down. |
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Post by ACW on Aug 27, 2022 20:15:31 GMT 1
I'm not "losing my shit". I'm commenting on the game and highlighting my concerns. Apologies was airing my frustrations with the wider negative crew on here there. The concerns are valid but I believe they are being addressed Fair enough. I hope they are being addressed, because I don't really want to watch Nicholls whacking the ball up to an isolated Ward all season. |
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Post by crux on Aug 27, 2022 20:22:21 GMT 1
Apologies was airing my frustrations with the wider negative crew on here there. The concerns are valid but I believe they are being addressed Fair enough. I hope they are being addressed, because I don't really want to watch Nicholls whacking the ball up to an isolated Ward all season. Better than giving it to Russell and losing the ball 50 yards closer to our goal! |
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Post by ACW on Aug 27, 2022 20:26:59 GMT 1
Fair enough. I hope they are being addressed, because I don't really want to watch Nicholls whacking the ball up to an isolated Ward all season. Better than giving it to Russell and losing the ball 50 yards closer to our goal! True, but if we are to accept we are a team that is unable to pass the ball to each other, and the best we can do is punt it up the pitch, we are in for a long, hard season of struggle. |
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Post by drewden on Aug 27, 2022 20:27:49 GMT 1
Must be a nightmare when we score for you lads, trying to shoehorn something positive into what youāve already decided. It was exactly the same last season, and we came third. The problem is, the general standard of our football last season was far superior to what we are seeing this season. Corberan had a clear plan, and you could see it in action. Not to everyone's taste, but you could clearly see what he set out to do. And,crucially, the players knew what they were doing. I see none of this plan/structure/preparation/style this season. C.C and Wagner would have won us the game today at 2 - 0 up, Danny has not got the nouse as of yet, wagner was a master of scoring first and seeing out games. Our players for some reason in the second half stood back, and let them come at us, it was bizzare to watch. |
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Post by ACW on Aug 27, 2022 20:36:39 GMT 1
The problem is, the general standard of our football last season was far superior to what we are seeing this season. Corberan had a clear plan, and you could see it in action. Not to everyone's taste, but you could clearly see what he set out to do. And,crucially, the players knew what they were doing. I see none of this plan/structure/preparation/style this season. C.C and Wagner would have won us the game today at 2 - 0 up, Danny has not got the nouse as of yet, wagner was a master of scoring first and seeing out games. Our players for some reason in the second half stood back, and let them come at us, it was bizzare to watch. Corberan and Wagner's teams were far more adept at keeping possession and controlling games. Particularly Wagner's team. Both managers encouraged passing and moving. At no point today did we control possession. Or even look to do so. I think Schofield instructed the team to kick long so we gave up possession further up the pitch. Trouble is, we were totally unable to build any sustained attacking play. The ball just kept coming back. I really hope Schofield is learning and isn't another long ball merchant. I've seen enough of those at Town. |
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Post by htfcterry on Aug 27, 2022 20:39:52 GMT 1
The biggest worry for me at the moment is the fitness of the players. They all seem battered after an hour or so. Schofield was slow to make a sub today. Tino was struggling to move before the equaliser then he got brought off. He should have been off 5-10 mins earlier.
Weāve just had a 10 day break from games and DS mentioned how well they used them 10 days, but as far as I can see weāre still not fit.
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Post by shadwelljim on Aug 27, 2022 20:48:59 GMT 1
I think that despite us suffering from injuries and blooding new players, we look totally disorganised. We were outplayed and it looked like men v boys. My worry and others is we may be adrift and confidence will plummet. I don't believe in blind faith, but I hope we can get some structure and discipline in the team rapidly. Schofield needs to ditch the process and saying it's a complex conundrum, it isn't, we are supposed to be a professional team, but we are looking like amateurs!
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Post by willo on Aug 27, 2022 20:51:25 GMT 1
I canāt get excited about Kasumu. Sounds like heāll be injured every other game. Not a long term option. Shameful that heās the OāBrien replacement MK Dons fans did say heāll play 4, miss 4 You can be the best player in the world but if youāre going to miss as many games as you play, whatās the point? Michael Owen was a superb goalscorer but after that first injury at Real Madrid, he missed more games than he played and was never the same player. |
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 27, 2022 20:51:57 GMT 1
Very strange substitutions. Thought taking REG off was harsh as he was having a good game. But bringing on the liability that is Boyle was crazy. He was so fortunate with the challenge in the box too. On another day that would be a penalty. It evens it up now for the non penalty given to Stoke in the last home match. Boyle is what he is: a lower league centre back. This idea that buying cheap is going to work is ridiculous you get what you pay for especially in the long run and we have had a great long run of picking up bargains. Why pay Boyle and Mahony to sit on the bench yet let Sarr leave because he was too expensive? If those two were regarded as Championship quality why are neither anywhere near the first eleven? REG had picked up a problem. I thought Boyle did OK. The tackle was a bit clumsy but he didnāt have much choice, and Grant was always going to go down. It was a stonewall pen. Boyle did ok...   |
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Post by harris on Aug 27, 2022 20:54:42 GMT 1
Weāll be alright when we can last 90 minutes. Absolutely no excuse to be as knackered as we were today after a long time off
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Post by ACW on Aug 27, 2022 20:55:43 GMT 1
REG had picked up a problem. I thought Boyle did OK. The tackle was a bit clumsy but he didnāt have much choice, and Grant was always going to go down. It was a stonewall pen. Boyle did ok... Bruce said it was "the biggest penalty I've ever seen" Glad it wasn't given. Mainly because it benefitted Town, but also because it's always good to see Brucie upset! |
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 27, 2022 20:58:15 GMT 1
C.C and Wagner would have won us the game today at 2 - 0 up, Danny has not got the nouse as of yet, wagner was a master of scoring first and seeing out games. Our players for some reason in the second half stood back, and let them come at us, it was bizzare to watch. Corberan and Wagner's teams were far more adept at keeping possession and controlling games. Particularly Wagner's team. Both managers encouraged passing and moving. At no point today did we control possession. Or even look to do so. I think Schofield instructed the team to kick long so we gave up possession further up the pitch. Trouble is, we were totally unable to build any sustained attacking play. The ball just kept coming back. I really hope Schofield is learning and isn't another long ball merchant. I've seen enough of those at Town. Whilst I agree with you in the main. Wagner had Mooy Carlos had LOB What's Schofield got? |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 27, 2022 20:58:27 GMT 1
we were so lucky today.
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Post by ACW on Aug 27, 2022 21:06:50 GMT 1
Corberan and Wagner's teams were far more adept at keeping possession and controlling games. Particularly Wagner's team. Both managers encouraged passing and moving. At no point today did we control possession. Or even look to do so. I think Schofield instructed the team to kick long so we gave up possession further up the pitch. Trouble is, we were totally unable to build any sustained attacking play. The ball just kept coming back. I really hope Schofield is learning and isn't another long ball merchant. I've seen enough of those at Town. Whilst I agree with you in the main. Wagner had Mooy Carlos had LOB What's Schofield got? No one of that calibre, but are we really so poor that the best we can do is rely on punts from the goalie? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2022 21:08:17 GMT 1
REG had picked up a problem. I thought Boyle did OK. The tackle was a bit clumsy but he didnāt have much choice, and Grant was always going to go down. It was a stonewall pen. Boyle did ok... It may have been but he did OK with other stuff. His clearances and heading were solid when we needed it. He will be on the bench mostly, especially if we get the lad from Man City. |
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