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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 28, 2022 22:59:06 GMT 1
Agree turbo. Only seen the Burnley horror show and then yesterday’s game but big improvement from one to another although ultimately, the GK won us that point yesterday. We are still lacking players in key areas and this will hopefully be rectified the next few days. Still not completely sure on Danny’s tactics, he wouldn’t have been my choice for manager/head coach and there is better out there but I’d be very surprised if Dean changed it now. Just have to hope he “grows” into the role. A season of transition beckons where I think we’ll finish just below halfway (unless 2/3 very inspired signings walk through the door this week). I’m really struggling to find 3 sides we’ll finish above, never mind 10 based on how we’ve started. Sides that I would’ve had down to be doomed like Reading and even Rotherham have started quite well. Birmingham seem in a bad way and we've already lost to them. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 28, 2022 23:59:48 GMT 1
I dont see anything majorly wrong myself.
We've got a few too many injuries just now and yesterday really missed key players in Lees and Hogg . Their experience and leadership.
And we have that combined with players who are really struggling for form, such as Sorba and Russell.
I actually thought there were quite a few positives yesterday.
In Tino we have a player who can do pretty special things. I think he'll just get better and better this season.
Ive slated Ruffels but I thought he had a good game. Easily the best Ive seen him in a Town shirt. Thought Reg looked something like aswell too for the first time this season.
Nakayama continues to impress and in Rudoni I think we have a really good player, though didnt think he was as good as he has been in that game.
Kesler Hayden look a good player too and we have youngster like Jones and camara stepping up and looking the part.
And we've got the best keeper in the division.
We've had a disappointing start.. sluggish out of the traps which isn't uncommon for losing play off finalists. Just need a few less injuries and a few players who we know can play an awful lot better than they are to get their form back. And we'll be fine.
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Post by willo on Aug 29, 2022 1:03:14 GMT 1
I dont see anything majorly wrong myself. We've got a few too many injuries just now and yesterday really missed key players in Lees and Hogg . Their experience and leadership. And we have that combined with players who are really struggling for form, such as Sorba and Russell. I actually thought there were quite a few positives yesterday. In Tino we have a player who can do pretty special things. I think he'll just get better and better this season. Ive slated Ruffels but I thought he had a good game. Easily the best Ive seen him in a Town shirt. Thought Reg looked something like aswell too for the first time this season. Nakayama continues to impress and in Rudoni I think we have a really good player, though didnt think he was as good as he has been in that game. Kesler Hayden look a good player too and we have youngster like Jones and camara stepping up and looking the part. And we've got the best keeper in the division. We've had a disappointing start.. sluggish out of the traps which isn't uncommon for losing play off finalists. Just need a few less injuries and a few players who we know can play an awful lot better than they are to get their form back. And we'll be fine. Wouldn’t disagree with much of this captain, just not sure Schofield is the guy to get the best out of the players. Genuinely don’t know what our current gameplan is and he definitely lacks that sparkle that a Wagner has but I guess you could argue Carlos was not the sort you warm to and he ended up doing ok. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 29, 2022 6:39:26 GMT 1
Agree turbo. Only seen the Burnley horror show and then yesterday’s game but big improvement from one to another although ultimately, the GK won us that point yesterday. We are still lacking players in key areas and this will hopefully be rectified the next few days. Still not completely sure on Danny’s tactics, he wouldn’t have been my choice for manager/head coach and there is better out there but I’d be very surprised if Dean changed it now. Just have to hope he “grows” into the role. A season of transition beckons where I think we’ll finish just below halfway (unless 2/3 very inspired signings walk through the door this week). I’m really struggling to find 3 sides we’ll finish above, never mind 10 based on how we’ve started. Sides that I would’ve had down to be doomed like Reading and even Rotherham have started quite well. Rotherham, Blackburn, Bristol, Preston, QPR, Sunderland, Blackpool, Cardiff, Luton, Wigan, Birmingham, Coventry. |
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Post by sykeylad on Aug 29, 2022 7:34:42 GMT 1
I dont see anything majorly wrong myself. We've got a few too many injuries just now and yesterday really missed key players in Lees and Hogg . Their experience and leadership. And we have that combined with players who are really struggling for form, such as Sorba and Russell. I actually thought there were quite a few positives yesterday. In Tino we have a player who can do pretty special things. I think he'll just get better and better this season. Ive slated Ruffels but I thought he had a good game. Easily the best Ive seen him in a Town shirt. Thought Reg looked something like aswell too for the first time this season. Nakayama continues to impress and in Rudoni I think we have a really good player, though didnt think he was as good as he has been in that game. Kesler Hayden look a good player too and we have youngster like Jones and camara stepping up and looking the part. And we've got the best keeper in the division. We've had a disappointing start.. sluggish out of the traps which isn't uncommon for losing play off finalists. Just need a few less injuries and a few players who we know can play an awful lot better than they are to get their form back. And we'll be fine. Good man. I'm similar. Our team in some fair way was built around Lewis O'Brien, so takes some resetting when he's not there. I suspect people build their comments around what they expect to see and see what they want to. Ropey start, yes, and with points deffo dropped at Brum but I feel upbeat we're going to continue to improve. Danny S doesn't come across ultra positive but he's generally making sensible calls and my guess is helping shapethe squad further, which has been needed. For me we need some patience and don't assume what we have seen so far is all Danny has got. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Aug 29, 2022 8:39:29 GMT 1
I’m really struggling to find 3 sides we’ll finish above, never mind 10 based on how we’ve started. Sides that I would’ve had down to be doomed like Reading and even Rotherham have started quite well. Rotherham, Blackburn, Bristol, Preston, QPR, Sunderland, Blackpool, Cardiff, Luton, Wigan, Birmingham, Coventry. they're top of the league right now, but I think Reading are a couple of injuries away from completely crashing, and Ince does not have a good track record as a manager. I think Charlton were top at this stage a few seasons ago and got relegated |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 29, 2022 8:52:58 GMT 1
Rotherham, Blackburn, Bristol, Preston, QPR, Sunderland, Blackpool, Cardiff, Luton, Wigan, Birmingham, Coventry. they're top of the league right now, but I think Reading are a couple of injuries away from completely crashing, and Ince does not have a good track record as a manager. I think Charlton were top at this stage a few seasons ago and got relegated That’s why i love this division. Reading could easily go down but also wouldn’t be shock of a lifetime if they got in play offs. |
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Post by ilsonterrier on Aug 29, 2022 9:11:51 GMT 1
Only just got round to watching the EFL highlights. Love Steve Bruce's comments about that being the worst penalty decision he's ever seen. Obviously forgotten about the one at The Hawthorns last season. 🤔
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Post by harris on Aug 29, 2022 9:46:57 GMT 1
I’m really struggling to find 3 sides we’ll finish above, never mind 10 based on how we’ve started. Sides that I would’ve had down to be doomed like Reading and even Rotherham have started quite well. Rotherham, Blackburn, Bristol, Preston, QPR, Sunderland, Blackpool, Cardiff, Luton, Wigan, Birmingham, Coventry. Genuine question, on what basis do you think we’ll finish above this list of teams that are all above us bar Cov (who have played 2 games less)? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 29, 2022 9:52:09 GMT 1
I dont see anything majorly wrong myself. We've got a few too many injuries just now and yesterday really missed key players in Lees and Hogg . Their experience and leadership. And we have that combined with players who are really struggling for form, such as Sorba and Russell. I actually thought there were quite a few positives yesterday. In Tino we have a player who can do pretty special things. I think he'll just get better and better this season. Ive slated Ruffels but I thought he had a good game. Easily the best Ive seen him in a Town shirt. Thought Reg looked something like aswell too for the first time this season. Nakayama continues to impress and in Rudoni I think we have a really good player, though didnt think he was as good as he has been in that game. Kesler Hayden look a good player too and we have youngster like Jones and camara stepping up and looking the part. And we've got the best keeper in the division. We've had a disappointing start.. sluggish out of the traps which isn't uncommon for losing play off finalists. Just need a few less injuries and a few players who we know can play an awful lot better than they are to get their form back. And we'll be fine. You say that but this is a prime example of the age old football fan adage 'it's the hope that kills you'. You fail to mention, that we spent most of the game unable to retain the ball, pass to another Town player accurately, create any genuine chances, look unfit, spent most of the game pumping it long for some unknown reason and seemingly no tactical direction. If I were Schofield I would be focusing on ironing these problems out. |
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Post by buxtonboys101 on Aug 29, 2022 10:05:59 GMT 1
The way things are at the moment relegation looks nailed on. Yet, in football, things can change dramatically. Look at Sunderland. We need strengthening for definite but if we are then it could change. Pearson is a huge miss and if we could just get some luck with the other injured players then we might avoid the drop or more likely finish in mid table. My real overriding concern is what will happen if we go down. Cannot see Hoyle stumping up for players in League One.
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Post by stinkypete on Aug 29, 2022 10:28:33 GMT 1
Players look lost to me, no direction. Our fitness levels also seem to have dropped off massively. It almost feels like the players know it’ll only be a matter of time before Schofield is sacked.
Folk can defend the clubs decisions over the summer all they want but I don’t think we can hide from the fact we’re more than likely gonna be sat at the bottom of the league this time next week. Hope not.
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Post by Orinoco on Aug 29, 2022 10:51:08 GMT 1
Not even thinking of relegation yet, it's way too early, only a few games in.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 29, 2022 10:53:28 GMT 1
Rotherham, Blackburn, Bristol, Preston, QPR, Sunderland, Blackpool, Cardiff, Luton, Wigan, Birmingham, Coventry. Genuine question, on what basis do you think we’ll finish above this list of teams that are all above us bar Cov (who have played 2 games less)? Because we will finish with more points after 46 games than the mentioned teams due to the fact we have a squad of better players. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Aug 29, 2022 10:56:59 GMT 1
Just got caught up on Saturday. It's clear we have someone special in Anjorin. Not just a technically very good footballer, but also physically big and strong which must be a nightmare to defend against. If he can make the right decision more often, he'll be an unbelievable footballer. Still not fully fit either.
The midfield is our achilles heel. No Hogg means no bite, and it has done for years. I look forward to Kasumu being fit, but I still think we need another mobile midfielder in the Hogg 5 years ago mould. Russell is having a touch of second season syndrome, but he's also in a two rather than a three where nobody is present to open up the space to allow him time on the ball. His lack of mobility is his weakness, and if he can't get space he's like any number of other players; he'll struggle. I'm increasingly of the (probably minority) opinion that letting High out on loan was a mistake. Not a Hogg-type, but far more mobile and able to open up space for others and add something to an otherwise glacial midfield.
We do need those experienced heads back in the team. We missed a lot of experience in Hogg, Lees, and Pearson - all of whom are vocal leaders.
I'm still nowhere near overly worried about relegation. We've had a tough start to the season. I do think we dropped the ball on pre-season and are playing catch-up, even without Corberan leaving us in the lurch, but there's enough in the side to start picking up better results.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 11:15:19 GMT 1
I dont see anything majorly wrong myself. We've got a few too many injuries just now and yesterday really missed key players in Lees and Hogg . Their experience and leadership. And we have that combined with players who are really struggling for form, such as Sorba and Russell. I actually thought there were quite a few positives yesterday. In Tino we have a player who can do pretty special things. I think he'll just get better and better this season. Ive slated Ruffels but I thought he had a good game. Easily the best Ive seen him in a Town shirt. Thought Reg looked something like aswell too for the first time this season. Nakayama continues to impress and in Rudoni I think we have a really good player, though didnt think he was as good as he has been in that game. Kesler Hayden look a good player too and we have youngster like Jones and camara stepping up and looking the part. And we've got the best keeper in the division. We've had a disappointing start.. sluggish out of the traps which isn't uncommon for losing play off finalists. Just need a few less injuries and a few players who we know can play an awful lot better than they are to get their form back. And we'll be fine. Good man. I'm similar. Our team in some fair way was built around Lewis O'Brien, so takes some resetting when he's not there. I suspect people build their comments around what they expect to see and see what they want to. Ropey start, yes, and with points deffo dropped at Brum but I feel upbeat we're going to continue to improve. Danny S doesn't come across ultra positive but he's generally making sensible calls and my guess is helping shapethe squad further, which has been needed. For me we need some patience and don't assume what we have seen so far is all Danny has got. As fans we always try and find a reason for poor performances, or results. This usually points the finger at a player, or players, the manager, the tactics, substitutions, etc. However it can be for all sorts of reasons. It is amazing how a poor start, the two first games, can really effect peoples views on games after that, and leads posters to look for faults. I agree with the Captain. It was a decent game on Saturday but we obviously have a way to go to get where we want to be. New manager, in his first head coach post, trying to find his style and get players to fit it. New players and good players gone. Injuries, and a suspension, to experienced senior pros. These all have a major effect but I agree that with time, and a couple of extra decent signings, we will be fine, and possibly a little easier on the eye than we were last season. |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 29, 2022 11:21:05 GMT 1
If someone could point me in the direction of an actual pattern of play or system we are trying to implement, that would be good.
At present we look disjointed, unfit and lacking in any kind of style. We spent the majority of the game vs WBA pumping the ball up to Ward who couldn't hold it up.
The 30% possession and 60% pass completion stats point to a team that has no clue what to actually do with the ball when they have it.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 29, 2022 11:30:31 GMT 1
If someone could point me in the direction of an actual pattern of play or system we are trying to implement, that would be good. At present we look disjointed, unfit and lacking in any kind of style. We spent the majority of the game vs WBA pumping the ball up to Ward who couldn't hold it up. The 30% possession and 60% pass completion stats point to a team that has no clue what to actually do with the ball when they have it. The main reason for pumping the ball up was due to West Brom closing down quicker than most teams do. Sometimes the opposition can take credit for not allowing a team to play whatever tactic, style, pattern has been discussed. You can have any style in the world, it can be swept away with a shrewd counter tactic. It was clear we are allowing teams space on the wings, we are getting everyone back when defending, we are allowing teams to pass it around 30 yards out. West Brom, time after time, had so much possession for 4-5 minutes at a time and did absolutely nothing with it, due to good defending and a rigid line. We currently seem to be trying to play on the counter but to do that effectively you need the right players. We had a system under Carlos that seemed shit due to the players, but he persisted with the system and we eventually reached Wembley. There’s nothing wrong with the system, its not to everyone’s taste but it’s there. Currently square pegs in round holes but we will see in time. |
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Post by Uddersfield on Aug 29, 2022 11:32:49 GMT 1
We threw away a 2 goal lead but it was all high 5’s and laughter at full time. Doesn’t really sit right with me does that.
I like DS but the standard of football is really low this season. Wagner to come back with DS staying on as coach would lift everyone at the club.
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Post by goodbet on Aug 29, 2022 11:42:39 GMT 1
I dont see anything majorly wrong myself. We've got a few too many injuries just now and yesterday really missed key players in Lees and Hogg . Their experience and leadership. And we have that combined with players who are really struggling for form, such as Sorba and Russell. I actually thought there were quite a few positives yesterday. In Tino we have a player who can do pretty special things. I think he'll just get better and better this season. Ive slated Ruffels but I thought he had a good game. Easily the best Ive seen him in a Town shirt. Thought Reg looked something like aswell too for the first time this season. Nakayama continues to impress and in Rudoni I think we have a really good player, though didnt think he was as good as he has been in that game. Kesler Hayden look a good player too and we have youngster like Jones and camara stepping up and looking the part. And we've got the best keeper in the division. We've had a disappointing start.. sluggish out of the traps which isn't uncommon for losing play off finalists. Just need a few less injuries and a few players who we know can play an awful lot better than they are to get their form back. And we'll be fine. I take it by fine you mean we will not get relegated. With the best will in the world we were not even aiming to get in to the top 6 this season. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 11:42:50 GMT 1
I dont see anything majorly wrong myself. We've got a few too many injuries just now and yesterday really missed key players in Lees and Hogg . Their experience and leadership. And we have that combined with players who are really struggling for form, such as Sorba and Russell. I actually thought there were quite a few positives yesterday. In Tino we have a player who can do pretty special things. I think he'll just get better and better this season. Ive slated Ruffels but I thought he had a good game. Easily the best Ive seen him in a Town shirt. Thought Reg looked something like aswell too for the first time this season. Nakayama continues to impress and in Rudoni I think we have a really good player, though didnt think he was as good as he has been in that game. Kesler Hayden look a good player too and we have youngster like Jones and camara stepping up and looking the part. And we've got the best keeper in the division. We've had a disappointing start.. sluggish out of the traps which isn't uncommon for losing play off finalists. Just need a few less injuries and a few players who we know can play an awful lot better than they are to get their form back. And we'll be fine. You say that but this is a prime example of the age old football fan adage 'it's the hope that kills you'. You fail to mention, that we spent most of the game unable to retain the ball, pass to another Town player accurately, create any genuine chances, look unfit, spent most of the game pumping it long for some unknown reason and seemingly no tactical direction. If I were Schofield I would be focusing on ironing these problems out. Judging by your reaction to most matches, both before and after, I wouldn't have thought a surfeit of hope was a problem you suffered from AR.  |
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Post by goodbet on Aug 29, 2022 11:43:51 GMT 1
I’m really struggling to find 3 sides we’ll finish above, never mind 10 based on how we’ve started. Sides that I would’ve had down to be doomed like Reading and even Rotherham have started quite well. Rotherham, Blackburn, Bristol, Preston, QPR, Sunderland, Blackpool, Cardiff, Luton, Wigan, Birmingham, Coventry. Nice list all but one above us at the moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 11:49:45 GMT 1
We threw away a 2 goal lead but it was all high 5’s and laughter at full time. Doesn’t really sit right with me does that. I like DS but the standard of football is really low this season. Wagner to come back with DS staying on as coach would lift everyone at the club. Demote a guy after a few games and a shaky start and bring in a guy who pissed off mid season when we were nailed to the bottom of the Prem? Firstly how on earth would that effect Danny and don't you think you have some rose coloured specs there with Wagner? Did we have a positive goal difference in any season he managed? Wagner & Carlos were given their chance by DH and now it is Danny's turn, so let's allow him the time to show us what he can do. |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Aug 29, 2022 11:51:44 GMT 1
It’s early days yet.
We had a disastrous closed season so we were never gonna hit the ground running were we?
However we have some injuries to come back and looks like some new potentially decent players arriving shortly hopefully. Tino looks like he may frame up this season.
We’ll be fine.
However it’ll be a tough ask to be pushing for playoffs - depends if DS can perform Carlos like miracles.
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Post by andyeastleake on Aug 29, 2022 11:58:24 GMT 1
Wagner & Carlos were given their chance by DH and now it is Danny's turn Not sure DH had a lot to do with Carlos being given a chance & didn't appear to do too much to keep him. |
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Post by Uddersfield on Aug 29, 2022 12:09:18 GMT 1
We threw away a 2 goal lead but it was all high 5’s and laughter at full time. Doesn’t really sit right with me does that. I like DS but the standard of football is really low this season. Wagner to come back with DS staying on as coach would lift everyone at the club. Demote a guy after a few games and a shaky start and bring in a guy who pissed off mid season when we were nailed to the bottom of the Prem? Firstly how on earth would that effect Danny and don't you think you have some rose coloured specs there with Wagner? Did we have a positive goal difference in any season he managed? Wagner & Carlos were given their chance by DH and now it is Danny's turn, so let's allow him the time to show us what he can do. You could see in the first game what Wagner was trying to do and some aspects you could with Carlos. Not having the same feeling about DS so far. The football under Wagner during the promotion season was some of the best I’ve seen down at the JSS. Couldn’t give a flying turd about the negative goal difference. |
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Post by specialone on Aug 29, 2022 12:11:41 GMT 1
Why the desire to return to a league where we’d be shipping goals like Bournemouth?
Perhaps I’ve reached an age where the entertainment is more enjoyable than trying to get promoted beyond your capability. I enjoyed Saturday’s match more than most of last season’s sterile offerings.
Possession stats and the myriad of others which are trotted out don’t bring home the bacon. It’s goals that count.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 29, 2022 12:18:29 GMT 1
Rotherham, Blackburn, Bristol, Preston, QPR, Sunderland, Blackpool, Cardiff, Luton, Wigan, Birmingham, Coventry. Nice list all but one above us at the moment. Cool story |
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Post by benhomly on Aug 29, 2022 12:44:53 GMT 1
Rotherham, Blackburn, Bristol, Preston, QPR, Sunderland, Blackpool, Cardiff, Luton, Wigan, Birmingham, Coventry. Genuine question, on what basis do you think we’ll finish above this list of teams that are all above us bar Cov (who have played 2 games less)? Genuine question, do you really think that a team who is in the bottom 3 after just 5 games has little chance of making up the ground on the teams above them with 123 points still to play for? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 12:58:28 GMT 1
Wagner & Carlos were given their chance by DH and now it is Danny's turn Not sure DH had a lot to do with Carlos being given a chance & didn't appear to do too much to keep him. Fair comment. My point was they were both, especially Carlos, in a similar position to DS when they started. I do think Danny’s style will be different and that might mean not as sorted right now. He started with 2 centre backs and moved to three. Getting midfield right without O’Brien will be a head scratcher, but he needs time. |
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