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Post by 28901 on Apr 17, 2023 12:38:13 GMT 1
If they do come down and we do stay up... I hope we play the video of Steve Cook on the balcony chanting about VAR on our screen. They loved VAR last May, even thanking it and Moss for promotion. The funny think about football is these comments usually come back to bite you on the arse A bit like those 'Believe' t shirts |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 17, 2023 13:07:24 GMT 1
Imagine the scenes when we are beating them next year. From a Toffolo OG |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 17, 2023 13:15:50 GMT 1
I think the Believe T-shirts is a different scenario. It was just an attempt to gee up the supporters. Had they made a reference to already being promoted then we would have deserved everything that came our way…
When I think about this Forest thing, all I can say is that they seem to have a higher ratio of knobs to decent supporters, but I also remember them coming to our place a few seasons ago and thinking how good it was to be playing against a side that had a bit of recent history, but also one or two decent and well recognised players. It certainly wasn’t myself fawning over them, but thinking it would be a good test for us, a good measure of progress. That feeling lasted one season when games v Forest became more commonplace.
Their history has been embellished by those 2 European Cup wins. I wonder how they would have fared had the league based format existed back then? As much as I despise what money has done to football, the league format appears to be a more difficult nut to crack.
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Post by markthehorn on Apr 17, 2023 15:48:43 GMT 1
Forest want to sack Copper don’t they but know the fans will react badly and don’t want to have to deal with that and explain themselves? Unlike ours who don’t care what anyone thinks ! Weren't Watford 'offended' by media rumours they were going to sack Wilder? Yes as we will just let him go at the end of the season anyway . |
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Post by mosher on Apr 17, 2023 16:12:37 GMT 1
Weren't Watford 'offended' by media rumours they were going to sack Wilder? Yes as we will just let him go at the end of the season anyway . Wasn't exactly a stretch of the imagination though given Watford's recent history  |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 17, 2023 19:46:18 GMT 1
Weren't Watford 'offended' by media rumours they were going to sack Wilder? Yes as we will just let him go at the end of the season anyway . Will he get a testimonial? |
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Post by ldr on Apr 17, 2023 20:32:17 GMT 1
Weren't Watford 'offended' by media rumours they were going to sack Wilder? Yes as we will just let him go at the end of the season anyway . I don’t think I’m too far off been offered the job at Watford. In fact, every time my phone goes, I’m sure it’s going to be them. If I have a week or two holidays left when they actually call, I might take it. |
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Post by sabailand on Apr 17, 2023 21:10:45 GMT 1
I think the Believe T-shirts is a different scenario. It was just an attempt to gee up the supporters. Had they made a reference to already being promoted then we would have deserved everything that came our way… When I think about this Forest thing, all I can say is that they seem to have a higher ratio of knobs to decent supporters, but I also remember them coming to our place a few seasons ago and thinking how good it was to be playing against a side that had a bit of recent history, but also one or two decent and well recognised players. It certainly wasn’t myself fawning over them, but thinking it would be a good test for us, a good measure of progress. That feeling lasted one season when games v Forest became more commonplace. Their history has been embellished by those 2 European Cup wins. I wonder how they would have fared had the league based format existed back then? As much as I despise what money has done to football, the league format appears to be a more difficult nut to crack. Yep, from a grudging admiration for a club who are far from the biggest but who managed to win two European cups/CL (only two British clubs have won more) i cant stand them anymore and thats cos of their arrogant fans. |
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 17, 2023 22:04:49 GMT 1
I can understand that the ref on field may not have seen it clearly. I cannot understand how 3-4 officials in Stockley Park, with the aid of multiple video replays including this picture, haven't seen it and given it. If it looks like corruption, feels like corruption and behaves like corruption, then it's....yes... another meaningless apology from PGMOL Fucking hell! That’s an awful decision! I was going to say “shocking “ but for some reason , I’m not shocked that once again VAR has shafted us. But we seriously don't get the rub of the green with anything borderline. If our goals get "checked" by VAR they invariably get ruled out, any contentious call for a pen against us is given, and not the other way round. 4 VAR decisions Man Utd have had on us this season. It's merely an extension of assuring the elite solidify their position. The purity of a non-VAR Championship provides much solace. Regardless of the ‘good fortune’ they had in the play off final, they also had loads of VAR decisions go their way at the beginning of the season. Didn’t Cook save the ball on the line with his arm and somehow wasn’t sent off?! They went on to win that game v West Ham I think it was. Also love how forest fans used the ‘but you didn’t have any shots on target, how were you robbed??’ about the final, yet here we are, they’ve just been battered start to finish by united with zero shots on target yet it’s apparently ‘VAR corruption’ why they lost. The hypocrisy is off the scale. Kind of my point. On balance of play I thought they were marginally the better of two sides who were scarcely even a shadow of the form they'd shown all season. But even if we'd battered them from first minute to last - that's not why we were robbed. Sometimes the better side on the day loses. It's frustrating but it's part of the game. I still maintain my belief that Jon Moss and Paul Tierney were deliberately working to favour the "correct" outcome. It was the officials - who I still believe to be corrupt - who robbed us. |
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Post by space hardware on Apr 17, 2023 23:01:04 GMT 1
Regardless of the ‘good fortune’ they had in the play off final, they also had loads of VAR decisions go their way at the beginning of the season. Didn’t Cook save the ball on the line with his arm and somehow wasn’t sent off?! They went on to win that game v West Ham I think it was. Also love how forest fans used the ‘but you didn’t have any shots on target, how were you robbed??’ about the final, yet here we are, they’ve just been battered start to finish by united with zero shots on target yet it’s apparently ‘VAR corruption’ why they lost. The hypocrisy is off the scale. Kind of my point. On balance of play I thought they were marginally the better of two sides who were scarcely even a shadow of the form they'd shown all season. But even if we'd battered them from first minute to last - that's not why we were robbed. Sometimes the better side on the day loses. It's frustrating but it's part of the game. I still maintain my belief that Jon Moss and Paul Tierney were deliberately working to favour the "correct" outcome. It was the officials - who I still believe to be corrupt - who robbed us. We didn't do enough that day but, to be honest, neither did Forest. It was one hell of a shit game with almost no quality on show. An own goal settling it probably sums the day up. I do think that Tierney has got away pretty lightly, though. He was the guy with multiple replays at his disposal, not Moss. I didn't think either incident looked like a penalty at the time, so maybe Moss can be excused. Not Tierney though, not when he could watch those tackles from all angles and STILL not make the right calls. He's in the same league as Michael Oliver, for me. |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Apr 18, 2023 2:25:41 GMT 1
I think the Believe T-shirts is a different scenario. It was just an attempt to gee up the supporters. Had they made a reference to already being promoted then we would have deserved everything that came our way… When I think about this Forest thing, all I can say is that they seem to have a higher ratio of knobs to decent supporters, but I also remember them coming to our place a few seasons ago and thinking how good it was to be playing against a side that had a bit of recent history, but also one or two decent and well recognised players. It certainly wasn’t myself fawning over them, but thinking it would be a good test for us, a good measure of progress. That feeling lasted one season when games v Forest became more commonplace. Their history has been embellished by those 2 European Cup wins. I wonder how they would have fared had the league based format existed back then? As much as I despise what money has done to football, the league format appears to be a more difficult nut to crack. A few pages back I listed my current top 5 hated clubs, can't believe I missed Peterborough... though to be honest I'd forgotten they existed! |
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 18, 2023 6:59:46 GMT 1
Kind of my point. On balance of play I thought they were marginally the better of two sides who were scarcely even a shadow of the form they'd shown all season. But even if we'd battered them from first minute to last - that's not why we were robbed. Sometimes the better side on the day loses. It's frustrating but it's part of the game. I still maintain my belief that Jon Moss and Paul Tierney were deliberately working to favour the "correct" outcome. It was the officials - who I still believe to be corrupt - who robbed us. We didn't do enough that day but, to be honest, neither did Forest. It was one hell of a shit game with almost no quality on show. An own goal settling it probably sums the day up. I do think that Tierney has got away pretty lightly, though. He was the guy with multiple replays at his disposal, not Moss. I didn't think either incident looked like a penalty at the time, so maybe Moss can be excused. Not Tierney though, not when he could watch those tackles from all angles and STILL not make the right calls. He's in the same league as Michael Oliver, for me. Yep. At the time, I didn't think they were penalties either so I went home disappointed (both at the result and the graceless behaviour of the opposition fans) but with no feelings of injustice. Watching them replayed - which is what Tierney will have done - both were absolutely stonewall. Obvious. Tierney deserves more opprobrium than Moss. Also, I am a bit shit at remembering referees. What did Oliver do? |
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Post by kennyk2 on Apr 18, 2023 7:15:49 GMT 1
We didn't do enough that day but, to be honest, neither did Forest. It was one hell of a shit game with almost no quality on show. An own goal settling it probably sums the day up. I do think that Tierney has got away pretty lightly, though. He was the guy with multiple replays at his disposal, not Moss. I didn't think either incident looked like a penalty at the time, so maybe Moss can be excused. Not Tierney though, not when he could watch those tackles from all angles and STILL not make the right calls. He's in the same league as Michael Oliver, for me. Yep. At the time, I didn't think they were penalties either so I went home disappointed (both at the result and the graceless behaviour of the opposition fans) but with no feelings of injustice. Watching them replayed - which is what Tierney will have done - both were absolutely stonewall. Obvious. Tierney deserves more opprobrium than Moss. Also, I am a bit shit at remembering referees. What did Oliver do? Sent of Mounie against Brighton I think. We were 1-0 up and lost 2-1. Totally changed the way our season was going. I think Wagner then realised that little teams aren't wanted in the PL. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Apr 18, 2023 8:09:23 GMT 1
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Post by reverendstarbuck on Apr 18, 2023 8:36:42 GMT 1
Yep. At the time, I didn't think they were penalties either so I went home disappointed (both at the result and the graceless behaviour of the opposition fans) but with no feelings of injustice. Watching them replayed - which is what Tierney will have done - both were absolutely stonewall. Obvious. Tierney deserves more opprobrium than Moss. Also, I am a bit shit at remembering referees. What did Oliver do? Sent of Mounie against Brighton I think. We were 1-0 up and lost 2-1. Totally changed the way our season was going. I think Wagner then realised that little teams aren't wanted in the PL. We were playing Brighton though, Kenny. Hardly a big club....we got promoted with them! It was just a crap decision. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 18, 2023 8:51:43 GMT 1
Sent of Mounie against Brighton I think. We were 1-0 up and lost 2-1. Totally changed the way our season was going. I think Wagner then realised that little teams aren't wanted in the PL. We were playing Brighton though, Kenny. Hardly a big club....we got promoted with them! It was just a crap decision. And how this was only a yellow I will never know. Think it was 2 consecutive home games, Mounie sent off and then only a yellow for this. That was the turning point for me. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 18, 2023 9:16:12 GMT 1
We didn't do enough that day but, to be honest, neither did Forest. It was one hell of a shit game with almost no quality on show. An own goal settling it probably sums the day up. I do think that Tierney has got away pretty lightly, though. He was the guy with multiple replays at his disposal, not Moss. I didn't think either incident looked like a penalty at the time, so maybe Moss can be excused. Not Tierney though, not when he could watch those tackles from all angles and STILL not make the right calls. He's in the same league as Michael Oliver, for me. Yep. At the time, I didn't think they were penalties either so I went home disappointed (both at the result and the graceless behaviour of the opposition fans) but with no feelings of injustice. Watching them replayed - which is what Tierney will have done - both were absolutely stonewall. Obvious. Tierney deserves more opprobrium than Moss. Also, I am a bit shit at remembering referees. What did Oliver do? Thats presuming Tierney didnt suggest to Moss that he take a look at it. he might have done and Moss just turn him down. Wouldn't put that past Moss. Chances are though Tierney just decided it wasnt a clear and obvious mistake, despite what the pictures were clearly showing. Wouldn't put that past Tierney. Just a blatant, potentially corrupt, level of incompetence from one or both of them. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Apr 18, 2023 9:23:20 GMT 1
We didn't do enough that day but, to be honest, neither did Forest. It was one hell of a shit game with almost no quality on show. An own goal settling it probably sums the day up. I do think that Tierney has got away pretty lightly, though. He was the guy with multiple replays at his disposal, not Moss. I didn't think either incident looked like a penalty at the time, so maybe Moss can be excused. Not Tierney though, not when he could watch those tackles from all angles and STILL not make the right calls. He's in the same league as Michael Oliver, for me. Yep. At the time, I didn't think they were penalties either so I went home disappointed (both at the result and the graceless behaviour of the opposition fans) but with no feelings of injustice. Watching them replayed - which is what Tierney will have done - both were absolutely stonewall. Obvious. Tierney deserves more opprobrium than Moss. Also, I am a bit shit at remembering referees. What did Oliver do? Must be a first for DATM surely  though what Oti's cousin has to do with it, I have no idea. |
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Post by ram on Apr 18, 2023 9:46:20 GMT 1
We didn't do enough that day but, to be honest, neither did Forest. It was one hell of a shit game with almost no quality on show. An own goal settling it probably sums the day up. I do think that Tierney has got away pretty lightly, though. He was the guy with multiple replays at his disposal, not Moss. I didn't think either incident looked like a penalty at the time, so maybe Moss can be excused. Not Tierney though, not when he could watch those tackles from all angles and STILL not make the right calls. He's in the same league as Michael Oliver, for me. Yep. At the time, I didn't think they were penalties either so I went home disappointed (both at the result and the graceless behaviour of the opposition fans) but with no feelings of injustice. Watching them replayed - which is what Tierney will have done - both were absolutely stonewall. Obvious. Tierney deserves more opprobrium than Moss. Also, I am a bit shit at remembering referees. What did Oliver do? Sent our player off for an early BATH,did OLIVER. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Apr 18, 2023 9:51:07 GMT 1
Sent of Mounie against Brighton I think. We were 1-0 up and lost 2-1. Totally changed the way our season was going. I think Wagner then realised that little teams aren't wanted in the PL. We were playing Brighton though, Kenny. Hardly a big club....we got promoted with them! It was just a crap decision. Yeh it was a crap decision. But... don't forget over the decade before Brighton got promoted, the owners ploughed £450 million into the club to reach the promised land. There are degrees of "Big Clubs" and Notts Forest are now finding that out. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 18, 2023 10:08:54 GMT 1
When do the Forest fans start saying they’re going to do a Burnley if they get relegated?
Should run a book on the timing, as the odds on it being uttered are 2,500,000,000 to 1 ON.
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Post by royrace on Apr 18, 2023 10:09:06 GMT 1
Regardless of the ‘good fortune’ they had in the play off final, they also had loads of VAR decisions go their way at the beginning of the season. Didn’t Cook save the ball on the line with his arm and somehow wasn’t sent off?! They went on to win that game v West Ham I think it was. Also love how forest fans used the ‘but you didn’t have any shots on target, how were you robbed??’ about the final, yet here we are, they’ve just been battered start to finish by united with zero shots on target yet it’s apparently ‘VAR corruption’ why they lost. The hypocrisy is off the scale. Kind of my point. On balance of play I thought they were marginally the better of two sides who were scarcely even a shadow of the form they'd shown all season. But even if we'd battered them from first minute to last - that's not why we were robbed. Sometimes the better side on the day loses. It's frustrating but it's part of the game. I still maintain my belief that Jon Moss and Paul Tierney were deliberately working to favour the "correct" outcome. It was the officials - who I still believe to be corrupt - who robbed us. Forest were looking nervy at the point we had the two pens turned down and we'd grown into the game, had we been given a pen and scored, I think the chances are we'd have gone on to win. That's speaking objectively as a football fan, its just how games often pan out. It was a perfect time in the game and I think we'd have gone on to win it despite being pretty crap on the day, the boost, the lift to the crowd, the adrenaline and the opposite for Forest. Having those turned down was very disheartening too and pretty much confirmed it was going to be "one of those games". Never mind though we'd never have got chance to meet Mark Fotheringham had we gone up! |
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 18, 2023 10:14:26 GMT 1
Yep. At the time, I didn't think they were penalties either so I went home disappointed (both at the result and the graceless behaviour of the opposition fans) but with no feelings of injustice. Watching them replayed - which is what Tierney will have done - both were absolutely stonewall. Obvious. Tierney deserves more opprobrium than Moss. Also, I am a bit shit at remembering referees. What did Oliver do? Sent of Mounie against Brighton I think. We were 1-0 up and lost 2-1. Totally changed the way our season was going. I think Wagner then realised that little teams aren't wanted in the PL. Dreadful decision and if VAR had been available at the time I'd put that in the same ball park as the Moss/Tierney debacle. Bad enough to raise questions about corruption, but sometimes bad decisions (and that was awful) are made by fallible people in the heat of the moment. There's reasonable doubt, even though balance of probability suggests something else. There's no reasonable doubt about what happened at Wembley. The level of dereliction of duty from Paul Tierney required to miss that is so great as to be absurd. |
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Post by space hardware on Apr 18, 2023 10:14:59 GMT 1
We were playing Brighton though, Kenny. Hardly a big club....we got promoted with them! It was just a crap decision. And how this was only a yellow I will never know. Think it was 2 consecutive home games, Mounie sent off and then only a yellow for this. That was the turning point for me. There was also a leg breaker of a challenge on Erik Durm in the Brighton game, maybe 20 mins before the end. It was far worse than Mounie's yet Oliver, that craven shithouse, only gave a yellow. Edit - here it is... |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 18, 2023 10:23:01 GMT 1
The PL is corrupt. It’s just a matter of time before someone manages to prove it.
Nobody will care by then anyway, VAR is proving that it’s still not going to be B&W with all the levelling up tech they have.
The money men that own these clubs aren’t going to see their enjoyment curtailed by fair play.
Some of those owners will be like this bloke…
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 18, 2023 12:12:34 GMT 1
Kind of my point. On balance of play I thought they were marginally the better of two sides who were scarcely even a shadow of the form they'd shown all season. But even if we'd battered them from first minute to last - that's not why we were robbed. Sometimes the better side on the day loses. It's frustrating but it's part of the game. I still maintain my belief that Jon Moss and Paul Tierney were deliberately working to favour the "correct" outcome. It was the officials - who I still believe to be corrupt - who robbed us. Forest were looking nervy at the point we had the two pens turned down and we'd grown into the game, had we been given a pen and scored, I think the chances are we'd have gone on to win. That's speaking objectively as a football fan, its just how games often pan out. It was a perfect time in the game and I think we'd have gone on to win it despite being pretty crap on the day, the boost, the lift to the crowd, the adrenaline and the opposite for Forest. Having those turned down was very disheartening too and pretty much confirmed it was going to be "one of those games". Never mind though we'd never have got chance to meet Mark Fotheringham had we gone up!We appointed someone as manager who didn't even have a wikipedia page whilst a premier league club, so I wouldn't have bet against that  |
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Post by reverendstarbuck on Apr 18, 2023 12:13:20 GMT 1
We were playing Brighton though, Kenny. Hardly a big club....we got promoted with them! It was just a crap decision. Yeh it was a crap decision. But... don't forget over the decade before Brighton got promoted, the owners ploughed £450 million into the club to reach the promised land. There are degrees of "Big Clubs" and Notts Forest are now finding that out. Not sure I follow the line of argument. Brighton had spent a fortune, so were treated favourably by the match officials against us?? Yet Forest have spent an even bigger fortune, but are now finding that what goes around, comes around...? |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Apr 18, 2023 12:34:10 GMT 1
Yep. At the time, I didn't think they were penalties either so I went home disappointed (both at the result and the graceless behaviour of the opposition fans) but with no feelings of injustice. Watching them replayed - which is what Tierney will have done - both were absolutely stonewall. Obvious. Tierney deserves more opprobrium than Moss. Also, I am a bit shit at remembering referees. What did Oliver do? Must be a first for DATM surely though what Oti's cousin has to do with it, I have no idea. thats a bit harsh |
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Post by 28901 on Apr 18, 2023 12:43:04 GMT 1
Regardless of the ‘good fortune’ they had in the play off final, they also had loads of VAR decisions go their way at the beginning of the season. Didn’t Cook save the ball on the line with his arm and somehow wasn’t sent off?! They went on to win that game v West Ham I think it was. Also love how forest fans used the ‘but you didn’t have any shots on target, how were you robbed??’ about the final, yet here we are, they’ve just been battered start to finish by united with zero shots on target yet it’s apparently ‘VAR corruption’ why they lost. The hypocrisy is off the scale. Kind of my point. On balance of play I thought they were marginally the better of two sides who were scarcely even a shadow of the form they'd shown all season. But even if we'd battered them from first minute to last - that's not why we were robbed. Sometimes the better side on the day loses. It's frustrating but it's part of the game. I still maintain my belief that Jon Moss and Paul Tierney were deliberately working to favour the "correct" outcome. It was the officials - who I still believe to be corrupt - who robbed us. We can all laugh at Leeds getting stuffed at home by Liverpool but its like they don't even care about showing the deliberate bias anymore. Absolute blatant and deliberate handball in the build up to the game changing first goal. VAR is the worst thing to ever happen to football. They are laughing in the face of those fans who make the effort to attend. |
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