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Post by mrg on Sept 1, 2022 14:19:50 GMT 1
Why on earth would hoyle negotiate that type of deal when they've got money to burn? 17m for lob 8.5 now 8.5 over the length of the contract and 2/2.5m for toffs, fair enough. If they gave town 5m from the play off money as well (which i suspect that Greek guy might not have done) then hopefully we've got 20m+ over the next 5 years. If he sold at 10m he needs his head examining. We won't know until the accounts in 18 months and even then it'll probably be hidden. To negotiate a stay up deal with them is just daft. Even if the players wanted to leave, fuck em. I doubt obrian would have left without it being for less than Dean wanted anyway and there was a clause for more money for a promoted team. Most transfers have add ons, it’s standard. It was also a 2 way negotiation, not just Hoyle. I get that, im just concerns that it seems like we started around the 10m mark rather than where id have valued him in terms of market value which would be 17m. When billing and grant were sold for 15m each to think a kid weve had since 11 who is clearly better than certainly billing is going for less than him is galling. All the while we keep saying we want to make money on players. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Sept 1, 2022 14:49:20 GMT 1
After Willy Bolly from Wolves earlier, this is the next one.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Sept 1, 2022 14:51:02 GMT 1
After Willy Bolly from Wolves earlier, this is the next one. Not after, he's signed for them, is that 19 now? |
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Post by goodbet on Sept 1, 2022 14:52:04 GMT 1
Most transfers have add ons, it’s standard. It was also a 2 way negotiation, not just Hoyle. I get that, im just concerns that it seems like we started around the 10m mark rather than where id have valued him in terms of market value which would be 17m. When billing and grant were sold for 15m each to think a kid weve had since 11 who is clearly better than certainly billing is going for less than him is galling. All the while we keep saying we want to make money on players. We had been pushing to get him out of the door for a year and there were no other takers. Dean wanted some money so he cut the best deal he could get. If this gets us relegated it will be a big shame. |
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Post by upthetown on Sept 1, 2022 15:15:35 GMT 1
Most transfers have add ons, it’s standard. It was also a 2 way negotiation, not just Hoyle. I get that, im just concerns that it seems like we started around the 10m mark rather than where id have valued him in terms of market value which would be 17m. When billing and grant were sold for 15m each to think a kid weve had since 11 who is clearly better than certainly billing is going for less than him is galling. All the while we keep saying we want to make money on players. Lewis fee was on the low side but that was the release clause in his contract I believe so no scope to negotiate it higher if that’s the case. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Sept 1, 2022 15:20:15 GMT 1
A joke this now, 20 fucking signings  ? |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Sept 1, 2022 15:22:03 GMT 1
Looks like the Greek is just using the Forest tv money to boost Carlos (this would be the second player they’ve signed and shipped straight out to Greece).
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Post by Towner47 on Sept 1, 2022 15:23:55 GMT 1
Lot of wages to pay let's hope 1.they get relegated 2.They go bust
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Post by Huddy Town Black Sox on Sept 1, 2022 15:24:44 GMT 1
I get that, im just concerns that it seems like we started around the 10m mark rather than where id have valued him in terms of market value which would be 17m. When billing and grant were sold for 15m each to think a kid weve had since 11 who is clearly better than certainly billing is going for less than him is galling. All the while we keep saying we want to make money on players. We had been pushing to get him out of the door for a year and there were no other takers. Dean wanted some money so he cut the best deal he could get. If this gets us relegated it will be a big shame. Is this why my mate who spoke with LOB after he swapped to Forest came back with a tail that he had fallen out with Hoyle/Bromby and the management at Town over money ? |
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Post by Drew Peacock on Sept 1, 2022 15:28:01 GMT 1
A joke this now, 20 fucking signings ? Hope it happens though, he's been excellent every time he's played against us, and we need those three points at the weekend. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Sept 1, 2022 15:28:05 GMT 1
Most transfers have add ons, it’s standard. It was also a 2 way negotiation, not just Hoyle. I get that, im just concerns that it seems like we started around the 10m mark rather than where id have valued him in terms of market value which would be 17m. When billing and grant were sold for 15m each to think a kid weve had since 11 who is clearly better than certainly billing is going for less than him is galling. All the while we keep saying we want to make money on players. Don’t want to sound like a dick but what you value them at has got literally nothing to do with it. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 1, 2022 15:41:00 GMT 1
We had been pushing to get him out of the door for a year and there were no other takers. Dean wanted some money so he cut the best deal he could get. If this gets us relegated it will be a big shame. Is this why my mate who spoke with LOB after he swapped to Forest came back with a tail that he had fallen out with Hoyle/Bromby and the management at Town over money ? Would seem odd when he'd signed a new improved contract just a few months earlier wouldn't it? What was he expecting.. another pay rise less than a year later? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 1, 2022 15:44:27 GMT 1
Most transfers have add ons, it’s standard. It was also a 2 way negotiation, not just Hoyle. I get that, im just concerns that it seems like we started around the 10m mark rather than where id have valued him in terms of market value which would be 17m. When billing and grant were sold for 15m each to think a kid weve had since 11 who is clearly better than certainly billing is going for less than him is galling. All the while we keep saying we want to make money on players. You think Obrien is clearly better than billing? Not sure about that myself. But you have to factor in that when we sold Billing he'd already proven himself as a PL player, being one of our best players in 2017/18. Obrien hadn't so he left with the element of doubt that he could cut it. |
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Post by space hardware on Sept 1, 2022 15:57:20 GMT 1
I get that, im just concerns that it seems like we started around the 10m mark rather than where id have valued him in terms of market value which would be 17m. When billing and grant were sold for 15m each to think a kid weve had since 11 who is clearly better than certainly billing is going for less than him is galling. All the while we keep saying we want to make money on players. You think Obrien is clearly better than billing? Not sure about that myself. But you have to factor in that when we sold Billing he'd already proven himself as a PL player, being one of our best players in 2017/18. Obrien hadn't so he left with the element of doubt that he could cut it. Steady on! He only played 16 games in the PL that season. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 1, 2022 16:03:27 GMT 1
You think Obrien is clearly better than billing? Not sure about that myself. But you have to factor in that when we sold Billing he'd already proven himself as a PL player, being one of our best players in 2017/18. Obrien hadn't so he left with the element of doubt that he could cut it. Steady on! He only played 16 games in the PL that season. Surprised at that, But I do remember him being one of our better players in the PL over those two seasons. The midfield of Him, Mooy and Hogg was probably the only part of the team that were genuinely PL quality IMO. |
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Post by ldr on Sept 1, 2022 16:08:43 GMT 1
You think Obrien is clearly better than billing? Not sure about that myself. But you have to factor in that when we sold Billing he'd already proven himself as a PL player, being one of our best players in 2017/18. Obrien hadn't so he left with the element of doubt that he could cut it. Steady on! He only played 16 games in the PL that season. After that, he started more games with about zero commitment. LOB and Billing are like chalk and cheese in terms of attitude. The attitude of a player should add value to their transfer fee but in reality it doesn’t. |
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 1, 2022 16:14:50 GMT 1
I get that, im just concerns that it seems like we started around the 10m mark rather than where id have valued him in terms of market value which would be 17m. When billing and grant were sold for 15m each to think a kid weve had since 11 who is clearly better than certainly billing is going for less than him is galling. All the while we keep saying we want to make money on players. Lewis fee was on the low side but that was the release clause in his contract I believe so no scope to negotiate it higher if that’s the case. I thought they didn't actually offer the release clause, it was negotiated below that, and thats why there was that late off/on/off/on saga and they probably ended up paying over the odds for Toffolo to make up the difference? |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Sept 1, 2022 16:20:29 GMT 1
After Willy Bolly from Wolves earlier, this is the next one. It’s a slow burner but Project “Notts Forest Go Bust” is coming along nicely.😀 |
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 1, 2022 16:24:15 GMT 1
Is this why my mate who spoke with LOB after he swapped to Forest came back with a tail that he had fallen out with Hoyle/Bromby and the management at Town over money ? Would seem odd when he'd signed a new improved contract just a few months earlier wouldn't it? What was he expecting.. another pay rise less than a year later? I should imagine yes he was expecting a pay rise in short term, via a move. If you reflect back, he certainly played out most of the back half of last season (excepting the final v Forest ironically) like his head was somewhere else. He signed a new contract because we NEEDED him to (otherwise he'd have been going to Forest this summer for £2m or whatever fee we'd have bitten hands off at with a player who would have been going into a '1 year option' period - he'd have the same value as Toffolo, plus a bit because of his younger age, but certainly wouldn't have been attracting bids of £10m+ if he was in the final year of his deal with us) - any pay rise he got when he signed that extension was just a pleasant bonus for him along the journey to where he was always going to go this summer, which was the Premier League. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 1, 2022 17:05:56 GMT 1
Would seem odd when he'd signed a new improved contract just a few months earlier wouldn't it? What was he expecting.. another pay rise less than a year later? I should imagine yes he was expecting a pay rise in short term, via a move. If you reflect back, he certainly played out most of the back half of last season (excepting the final v Forest ironically) like his head was somewhere else. He signed a new contract because we NEEDED him to (otherwise he'd have been going to Forest this summer for £2m or whatever fee we'd have bitten hands off at with a player who would have been going into a '1 year option' period - he'd have the same value as Toffolo, plus a bit because of his younger age, but certainly wouldn't have been attracting bids of £10m+ if he was in the final year of his deal with us) - any pay rise he got when he signed that extension was just a pleasant bonus for him along the journey to where he was always going to go this summer, which was the Premier League. Well yes, it certainly made sense for us to extend his contract and that will have involved a substantial pay rise id have thought, plus a signing on fee, plus the inclusion of a release clause. I just think it doesnt really add up that he would be moaning about what town were paying him so shortly after agreeing that deal. If he hadn't been happy with the terms he wouldnt have signed the extension.. he would have left for a much smaller fee, if any, a year later and probably had the choice of a few clubs because of that. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 1, 2022 18:20:06 GMT 1
Most transfers have add ons, it’s standard. It was also a 2 way negotiation, not just Hoyle. I get that, im just concerns that it seems like we started around the 10m mark rather than where id have valued him in terms of market value which would be 17m. When billing and grant were sold for 15m each to think a kid weve had since 11 who is clearly better than certainly billing is going for less than him is galling. All the while we keep saying we want to make money on players. Clearly better than Billing 🤣🤣🤣. No one was interested in paying £10m for him so at £17m we'd just have a pissed off player on the books |
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Post by tepidterrier on Sept 1, 2022 18:34:42 GMT 1
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Post by stinkypete on Sept 1, 2022 18:54:04 GMT 1
Steady on! He only played 16 games in the PL that season. Surprised at that, But I do remember him being one of our better players in the PL over those two seasons. The midfield of Him, Mooy and Hogg was probably the only part of the team that were genuinely PL quality IMO. Only cos Mooy was in it! |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Sept 1, 2022 19:15:39 GMT 1
I’d be interested to hear Kieran Maguire going through exactly how they’re are doing all this……..it just doesn’t stop.
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Post by King Curtis on Sept 1, 2022 19:36:42 GMT 1
I’d be interested to hear Kieran Maguire going through exactly how they’re are doing all this……..it just doesn’t stop. You'll have to wait for a couple of things to be able to form any view on it really: - Whether Forest are still in the PL next year. - Their published accounts for this financial year. Both of those pieces of information aren't available until 2023. Kieran Maguire won't be able to offer much insight until then either. All that's happening atm, is their fat Greek owner is pumping a fuck load of money in. |
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Post by halifaxterrier9 on Sept 1, 2022 19:43:01 GMT 1
Can’t wait for the fire sale in June. Gonna be like a car boot sale
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 1, 2022 21:33:48 GMT 1
Their training sessions will be looking like that thing where 3 pros took on about 100 Japanese kids…
If they get relegated this year they’re gonna be fucked, and there won’t be anyone with sympathy for their plight.
Daft thing is, if they are struggling in Jan, you can see them rolling the dice again.
Maybe this bloke was the Treasury Minister for Greece a few yrs ago?
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Post by space hardware on Sept 1, 2022 21:41:08 GMT 1
Steady on! He only played 16 games in the PL that season. Surprised at that, But I do remember him being one of our better players in the PL over those two seasons. The midfield of Him, Mooy and Hogg was probably the only part of the team that were genuinely PL quality IMO. You say that but, when Mooy was injured in the second season, Billing disappeared displaying his itty bitty peanut balls at the point we needed him to step up. He was an absolute shitehawk of a player that season. |
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Post by Dan on Sept 1, 2022 21:49:16 GMT 1
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Post by mrg on Sept 1, 2022 21:50:34 GMT 1
I get that, im just concerns that it seems like we started around the 10m mark rather than where id have valued him in terms of market value which would be 17m. When billing and grant were sold for 15m each to think a kid weve had since 11 who is clearly better than certainly billing is going for less than him is galling. All the while we keep saying we want to make money on players. Don’t want to sound like a dick but what you value them at has got literally nothing to do with it. I get that aswell mate, what im saying is DH says he wants to make money on players and needing to pay off a loan potentially sells the best midfielder we've created since Chris Marsden for way below market value. It's odd at best. |
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