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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 3, 2022 6:45:18 GMT 1
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Post by cuz on Sept 3, 2022 7:37:01 GMT 1
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 3, 2022 7:50:28 GMT 1
He does rant on but there is a lot of knowledge and truth in there. The point about refs is such an obvious one, yet with all millions in the game the premier league and EFL are doing nothing about it.
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Post by DeepSpace on Sept 3, 2022 7:55:42 GMT 1
Hard to disagree with much of that. The guy can be a plank but whenever I listened to him on the radio, I always thought he knows his stuff.
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Post by dugnet on Sept 3, 2022 8:06:23 GMT 1
Joey Barton - An intelligent and interesting individual who's personality seems to get in the way of more people recognising this. He seems to have the capacity to shoot himself in the foot more than most.
He makes some absolutely accurate points here, less of a rant than a statement of fact. Because it is Joey Barton it, naturally, is presented as a rant.
Some serious journalists should be picking up on this narrative.
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Post by philstarbuckscoffee on Sept 3, 2022 8:14:32 GMT 1
Thanks for sharing. I have feared for a while that with so many American owners that it is inevitable the PL clubs will vote for a closed shop with no relegation.
Definitely should be more done to support the pyramid and the development of referees for the top flight is a very good point. The PL could easily fund a programme of full time refs for the entire pyramid with the better ones progressing through the leagues. Makes complete sense
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 3, 2022 8:26:24 GMT 1
He’s done some crappy things has JB, but anyone below the top 6 clubs, that article has to make sense to them. The further down the pyramid you go, the strength of feeling will increase massively.
So I take a look at the BBC and Sky, nothing about this story. I don’t think that’s intentional, but it supports everything we know that the media think there’s only 1 game in town, the PL and the battle to get in or stay in the PL.
I can’t disagree with anything he says, the game is being strangled by these bastards at the top, they don’t care about us lot, they don’t even care about the die hard supporters of PL clubs, those who have supported them for donkeys yrs and prior to the PL days. If they could they’d wipe out the history of the game pre-1990.
The only way the game stands a chance IMHO is to let them feck off and form and intergalactic super league, but do it quickly whilst we still have supporters engaged in the other 80-odd teams and the non-league clubs.
That article will never see the light of day on those sites, far too busy talking shite and claptrap about the PL clubs and inane stories around the clubs and players. Phil McNulty at the BBC has his tongue so far up the arse of the top clubs it’s just ridiculous.
I keep saying it repeatedly, it’s a brand thing for them, service the TV and the betting markets, and the money will keep rolling in.
Also hard to argue his point about players. We’ve had some great loan players from clubs, but how many have gone on to play for their parent clubs, 50% tops? Even we get hooked when we see things on this site like “they must trust us with their players” etc. EFL clubs are too subservient to these PL clubs.
Maybe there will be a player revolution, and kids will start choosing other clubs from an early age, but that will take time when you consider how early these PL clubs hoover them up, and the monetary deals they probably offer them. What’s the betting that all these loan players we have are actually on far better wages with their parent clubs than our on the books lads? As Barton says, how many competitive games will these lads actually play if they’re being ring fences by these clubs.
I hope everyone of those journalists went up up and shook his hand after that, but I doubt it.
Anyway, back to tomorrow and our continued attempt to see if we can miraculously pull ourselves up to be in a position to challenge for the greedy league….
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Post by terrierneil on Sept 3, 2022 8:40:38 GMT 1
Won't be wasting 20 minutes of my time listening to what that scrote has to say but thank you for posting anyway.
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Post by griffa on Sept 3, 2022 8:46:47 GMT 1
Not a rant, it's a well put together piece of writing with pertinent comments. Sadly Joey Barton will not be listened to by the cloth eared Premier League, EF League & FA officials, because they have their own agenda's. The quality of refereeing is shocking, we see examples of it most weeks. Scary when we look at how Jon Moss refereed at the top level, for many years, but was dreadful, consistently throughout his career. Joey played at a decent level, occasionally losing it on the park, but the people at the top will not be listening, nothing new there! |
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Post by theravymoomin on Sept 3, 2022 9:04:35 GMT 1
Usually crnt stand barton
But he talks sense here, something which is not allowed, but good to hear for once,
Also couldn’t believe that they have selected for sky tv for the first time in 5 years, nobody should have to wait so long, every team should be on once a season at least surely.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 3, 2022 9:10:54 GMT 1
Won't be wasting 20 minutes of my time listening to what that scrote has to say but thank you for posting anyway. It's not a 20 minute audio, it's a shortened transcript of it. Read it, mate, it'll be the most intelligent thing you'll see or read about football this year. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 3, 2022 9:24:20 GMT 1
Won't be wasting 20 minutes of my time listening to what that scrote has to say but thank you for posting anyway. Don’t think many on here disagree with your general view of the bloke for stuff in the past, but this is nothing to do with Joey Barton, this is something that should be shared widely because it’s spot on. |
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Post by Orinoco on Sept 3, 2022 9:43:42 GMT 1
The subject is spot on, the game will be dead in a few years if this system carries on.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Sept 3, 2022 10:26:04 GMT 1
Maybe there will be a player revolution, and kids will start choosing other clubs from an early age, but that will take time when you consider how early these PL clubs hoover them up, and the monetary deals they probably offer them. What’s the betting that all these loan players we have are actually on far better wages with their parent clubs than our on the books lads? As Barton says, how many competitive games will these lads actually play if they’re being ring fences by these clubs. But this is not going to happen whilst these top clubs are offering the world to the kids. Every one of these kids (and, more importantly, their parents) believes that they are going to be the next Ronaldo/Messi etc. Someone mentioned the attitude of the parents in the Crystal Palace academy program in another thread and, until there is more of a sense of realism from everyone, this will keep happening. Look at Conor Gallagher - he has over 100 first team appearances and yet you can count the number of times he's played for Chelsea's first team on the figures of one hand. However, if they finally choose to sell him, they'll get millions for him, so it will be worth their investment which, at the end of the day, is all they are bothered about. |
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Post by ilsonterrier on Sept 3, 2022 10:28:46 GMT 1
Also, much as I think Joey Barton is absolutely right, it didn't seem to bother him much when he was on the right side of the gravy train. I know things have polarised since then, but I don't remember him kicking up a fuss about it then. Bit like Gary Neville - all for moaning about how League 2 clubs are treated. Don't remember him having much of an opinion on that when he was raking it in down the road.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 3, 2022 10:31:32 GMT 1
He’s done some crappy things has JB, but anyone below the top 6 clubs, that article has to make sense to them. The further down the pyramid you go, the strength of feeling will increase massively. So I take a look at the BBC and Sky, nothing about this story. I don’t think that’s intentional, but it supports everything we know that the media think there’s only 1 game in town, the PL and the battle to get in or stay in the PL. I can’t disagree with anything he says, the game is being strangled by these bastards at the top, they don’t care about us lot, they don’t even care about the die hard supporters of PL clubs, those who have supported them for donkeys yrs and prior to the PL days. If they could they’d wipe out the history of the game pre-1990. The only way the game stands a chance IMHO is to let them feck off and form and intergalactic super league, but do it quickly whilst we still have supporters engaged in the other 80-odd teams and the non-league clubs. That article will never see the light of day on those sites, far too busy talking shite and claptrap about the PL clubs and inane stories around the clubs and players. Phil McNulty at the BBC has his tongue so far up the arse of the top clubs it’s just ridiculous. I keep saying it repeatedly, it’s a brand thing for them, service the TV and the betting markets, and the money will keep rolling in. Also hard to argue his point about players. We’ve had some great loan players from clubs, but how many have gone on to play for their parent clubs, 50% tops? Even we get hooked when we see things on this site like “they must trust us with their players” etc. EFL clubs are too subservient to these PL clubs. Maybe there will be a player revolution, and kids will start choosing other clubs from an early age, but that will take time when you consider how early these PL clubs hoover them up, and the monetary deals they probably offer them. What’s the betting that all these loan players we have are actually on far better wages with their parent clubs than our on the books lads? As Barton says, how many competitive games will these lads actually play if they’re being ring fences by these clubs. I hope everyone of those journalists went up up and shook his hand after that, but I doubt it. Anyway, back to tomorrow and our continued attempt to see if we can miraculously pull ourselves up to be in a position to challenge for the greedy league…. No theres two games in town for them. Youre forgetting women's football. Each of them put women's football WAY WAAAAY ahead of the Bristol Rovers on the world even though Bristol Rovers get 3 or 4 times as many fans watching them as the better supported women's sides do. He makes some good points. Certainly the influx of US ownership is only ever going to lead to a closed shop at the top of the game eventually. I dont think they have much appreciation for the concept of promotion and relegation in US sport. And despite the furore last year, it'll end up with a European super league one way of the other, because its all about money at the end of the day, nothing else. Certainly not the fans. Hes right about refereeing too. Theyre making it a non-contact sport. Thats not fans want to watch and all the players know how easy it is to win free kicks and get people sent off by easily convincing the referee that they've been fouled or whatever. So its a steady stream of play acting to con the gullible idiot with the whistle. The British game used to be unique for its physicality and honesty..its what made it so globally popular. Now its no different from anywhere else and its because of the referees. |
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Post by space hardware on Sept 3, 2022 10:35:17 GMT 1
I don't think Barton gives one fat fuck about the state of the game or where it's heading, as long as he can carry on rinsing a few quid out of it to add to the millions he made during his playing days. As ilsonterrier says above, I don't remember him going on record to slate the way his bosses at Man City or QPR were carrying on, when they were throwing hundreds of millions at players. An absolute ballbag of a man. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 3, 2022 10:57:30 GMT 1
I don't think Barton gives one fat fuck about the state of the game or where it's heading, as long as he can carry on rinsing a few quid out of it to add to the millions he made during his playing days. As ilsonterrier says above, I don't remember him going on record to slate the way his bosses at Man City or QPR were carrying on, when they were throwing hundreds of millions at players. An absolute ballbag of a man. I dont think thats fair. It would be hypocritical if he was slating the players and managers at the top of the game for things that he'd done when he was there, but I dont think he is. More about an overall state of the game from a lower division perspective, now that its where he's been for a while and he's become aware of the issues. Barton isn't a likeable character but that doesnt mean he doesnt care about the game. Think its good that he can use his reasonably high profile to get the issues out there. |
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Post by sabailand on Sept 3, 2022 11:12:47 GMT 1
I don't think Barton gives one fat fuck about the state of the game or where it's heading, as long as he can carry on rinsing a few quid out of it to add to the millions he made during his playing days. As ilsonterrier says above, I don't remember him going on record to slate the way his bosses at Man City or QPR were carrying on, when they were throwing hundreds of millions at players. An absolute ballbag of a man. Ok you dont particularly like him, fair enough many people think the same, but do you think he makes some extremely valid points about the game and whats not right with it, anyone who dosn't cant really care about the game. In fact the only thing i disagreed with in the whole article was calling the game 'footy' once or twice. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 3, 2022 12:33:03 GMT 1
Also, much as I think Joey Barton is absolutely right, it didn't seem to bother him much when he was on the right side of the gravy train. I know things have polarised since then, but I don't remember him kicking up a fuss about it then. Bit like Gary Neville - all for moaning about how League 2 clubs are treated. Don't remember him having much of an opinion on that when he was raking it in down the road. I don’t think football is unique in that regard. He could have stayed quiet and not brought it to attention. Show me someone who says they’re not a hypocrite and I’ll show you a liar… |
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Post by space hardware on Sept 3, 2022 13:11:41 GMT 1
I don't think Barton gives one fat fuck about the state of the game or where it's heading, as long as he can carry on rinsing a few quid out of it to add to the millions he made during his playing days. As ilsonterrier says above, I don't remember him going on record to slate the way his bosses at Man City or QPR were carrying on, when they were throwing hundreds of millions at players. An absolute ballbag of a man. Ok you dont particularly like him, fair enough many people think the same, but do you think he makes some extremely valid points about the game and whats not right with it, anyone who dosn't cant really care about the game. In fact the only thing i disagreed with in the whole article was calling the game 'footy' once or twice. His points are valid but if he was good enough to be managing in the PL he'd be saying nothing. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 3, 2022 13:14:45 GMT 1
Ok you dont particularly like him, fair enough many people think the same, but do you think he makes some extremely valid points about the game and whats not right with it, anyone who dosn't cant really care about the game. In fact the only thing i disagreed with in the whole article was calling the game 'footy' once or twice. His points are valid but if he was good enough to be managing in the PL he'd be saying nothing. Nowt wrong with him learning his trade in the lower leagues |
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Post by space hardware on Sept 3, 2022 13:17:44 GMT 1
His points are valid but if he was good enough to be managing in the PL he'd be saying nothing. Nowt wrong with him learning his trade in the lower leagues Absolutely not. But if anyone thinks he'd be mouthing off like that if he was in Stevie Me's job right now they're wrong. |
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Post by sonny on Sept 3, 2022 14:11:02 GMT 1
Respecting Des Lynam was my favourite moment.
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 3, 2022 14:19:37 GMT 1
Won't be wasting 20 minutes of my time listening to what that scrote has to say but thank you for posting anyway. I'm no fan of his either, but what he has to say in that article is well worth reading. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2022 15:21:12 GMT 1
He's spot on.
Always hated him, but heard him on the radio a few years ago, when he tore Danny Mills a new arsehole. Mills was blowing his own trumpet about how he was involved in a consultation about the future of football; you could just tell that the pompous twat was beaming with pride at the idea he was considered high-profile enough to be asked...he probably only was asked because Paul Furlong turned it down, or something.
So Barton pushed him on it, live on air. Really went for him - not aggressively, despite his reputation - he just challenged him.
What did he actually do? What did he really think? What problems did he identify? What solutions did he offer? What were his qualifications, apart from having been a mediocre full-back for a bunch of top-flight clubs? Why had he even been asked?
Mills spluttered, blustered, waffled and bullshitted. He had nothing, except the old "I played the game" line. He showed himself up to be an absolute fraud.
And it was beautiful.
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Sept 3, 2022 18:28:10 GMT 1
Love him or loath him i have to agree with everything he's said there.
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Post by King Curtis on Sept 3, 2022 19:09:10 GMT 1
Had a read of it earlier and i have to say he's pretty much spot on.
Anywhere you can listen to the interview?
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Post by stinkypete on Sept 3, 2022 23:27:48 GMT 1
I don't think Barton gives one fat fuck about the state of the game or where it's heading, as long as he can carry on rinsing a few quid out of it to add to the millions he made during his playing days. As ilsonterrier says above, I don't remember him going on record to slate the way his bosses at Man City or QPR were carrying on, when they were throwing hundreds of millions at players. An absolute ballbag of a man. Try reading the article, it’ll help. |
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Post by space hardware on Sept 3, 2022 23:58:32 GMT 1
I don't think Barton gives one fat fuck about the state of the game or where it's heading, as long as he can carry on rinsing a few quid out of it to add to the millions he made during his playing days. As ilsonterrier says above, I don't remember him going on record to slate the way his bosses at Man City or QPR were carrying on, when they were throwing hundreds of millions at players. An absolute ballbag of a man. Try reading the article, it’ll help. I read it before replying, cheers |
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