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Post by Tinpot on Sept 15, 2022 7:20:53 GMT 1
Where does the story of his wife not wanting to come to Town come from? I didn't know that Derek Adams and Frau Wagner knew each other. |
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Post by Dan on Sept 15, 2022 7:25:00 GMT 1
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Post by runner76 on Sept 15, 2022 8:32:30 GMT 1
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Post by monkbar on Sept 15, 2022 8:56:30 GMT 1
I really hope it isn't Wagner. It was amazing for a while, then not great then he quit, then he was sacked, then sacked, then sacked. Sequels are very very rarely as good as the originals, let alone better.
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Post by dugnet on Sept 15, 2022 9:07:32 GMT 1
I don't have a preference of who, but it is massively important that they work within the structure but by work they are a key voice i.e. They determine the final say in how the team coached, style and match to match selections.
I worry that we may have too many voices, although I take social media rumours with a pinch of salt, but performances on the pitch need to have a single owner. That single owner must have a degree of autonomy as to the tactics, style and selection.
This worked last season with CC. What appeared, from what I have seen so far, this season was a confused move away from the CC style which clearly didn't work. Yes we lost a couple of key players but the shape and tactics lacked coherence. Now was that down to DS or a collaboration of thought across the club i.e. to what extent does LB have a say? I cannot really believe DH has a voice, I would certainly hope not anyway.
What the new man needs to be is someone with a personality and football philosophy, and he needs to have the autonomy to command the respect of the players i.e. They need to know who is calling the shots. Like them or not this is what the Cowley's wanted and expected. CC worked within a structure but the team had his ethos and personality, they bought in completely.
One thing is for sure our club needs to get real. Immediately we are in a relegation battle, even after a handful of games, the priority is to stay in the Championship. Longer term the new man needs to outline what he wants to do and the club need to listen to that voice.
Overall the structure we have is fine, we need the right people and balance to make that work. Fail to get that right and we are in big trouble.
It's really about what those making the selection want for the club. Is it to work within a strict financial model and develop players that can be sold to support that model? Or, is it to use that model but also look to be as successful as possible on the pitch and look to be as high in the pyramid as possible. Now, those in charge, and those who support them, would say it is "obviously" the latter. I am not entirely sure I currently agree with that given how CC wasn't supported (I still maintain he could have been supported sensibly), but always happy to be proven wrong.
This next appointment is massive (how often have we said that in the past 4 years?) and will determine the immediate and longer term future of Town. Whoever it is, and how they are expected to work, must be right. Get it wrong and all the errors of the past 5 years will result in a return to where we came from.
Over to those in charge, no pressure lads.
UTT
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Post by morrisraspass on Sept 15, 2022 9:09:47 GMT 1
David Wagner is the Godfather Part II
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Post by dugnet on Sept 15, 2022 9:10:08 GMT 1
I really hope it isn't Wagner. It was amazing for a while, then not great then he quit, then he was sacked, then sacked, then sacked. Sequels are very very rarely as good as the originals, let alone better. Jacko did all right when he came back. Wagner was a couple of players away from being OK 2nd season Prem League, it all went wrong against Brighton at home. Up until then, you could argue performances were on a par with 1st season Prem, if not better, but results didn't really reflect that. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 15, 2022 9:12:47 GMT 1
This is a watershed moment.
The carelessness and naivety of the whole Danny Schofield appointment has put us in a perilous position. We have an unbalanced squad with too many un proven players.
The fault of this firmly lies with Dean Hoyle and Bromby.
The next appointment as manager needs to be an experienced one. With so many young players who have no experience at championship level now is not the time for a young manager with potential.
I hope Dean can fully see that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2022 9:14:29 GMT 1
I hope next manager is David Wagner.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Sept 15, 2022 9:22:26 GMT 1
This team needs a philosophy. Wagner has one, did DS? I don’t think so. DW would get everyone pulling together in the same direction, my only worry is that he normally needs a full preseason to get his ideas across. We don’t have that luxury, we do have the World Cup but we could be far gone by then.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 15, 2022 9:23:59 GMT 1
I really hope it isn't Wagner. It was amazing for a while, then not great then he quit, then he was sacked, then sacked, then sacked. Sequels are very very rarely as good as the originals, let alone better. I hope it is, all this about 2nd time round. If he’s quality he’s quality the rest is superstitious bullshit. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Sept 15, 2022 9:25:33 GMT 1
Hope he's better on corners than his namesake |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Sept 15, 2022 9:35:59 GMT 1
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Post by York Terrier on Sept 15, 2022 9:37:48 GMT 1
I really hope it isn't Wagner. It was amazing for a while, then not great then he quit, then he was sacked, then sacked, then sacked. Sequels are very very rarely as good as the originals, let alone better. Mr Postman by the Carpenters is better than the Beatles and Wagner has something to prove after being removed from his last two jobs I think it’s a win win |
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Post by monkbar on Sept 15, 2022 10:16:12 GMT 1
I really hope it isn't Wagner. It was amazing for a while, then not great then he quit, then he was sacked, then sacked, then sacked. Sequels are very very rarely as good as the originals, let alone better. I hope it is, all this about 2nd time round. If he’s quality he’s quality the rest is superstitious bullshit. The fact that he has been quickly sacked from his other jobs isn't superstitious, it's fact. |
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Post by schindlersmissed on Sept 15, 2022 10:23:34 GMT 1
I really hope it isn't Wagner. It was amazing for a while, then not great then he quit, then he was sacked, then sacked, then sacked. Sequels are very very rarely as good as the originals, let alone better. Jacko did all right when he came back. Wagner was a couple of players away from being OK 2nd season Prem League, it all went wrong against Brighton at home. Up until then, you could argue performances were on a par with 1st season Prem, if not better, but results didn't really reflect that. Agreed - and there was that superb 2:0 win at Wolves |
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Post by daltonterrier44 on Sept 15, 2022 10:24:55 GMT 1
Oversaw a 18 game winless run witch ended in relegation after he left (sound familiar?) and managed to finish 2nd and 15 points behind the winners in a 3 team Swiss league who had won 3 successive titles before he came in..but I honestly do think he’ll keep us up as that team isn’t second worst in the division, they never played for Schofield and we still created chances we should have scored and only didn’t due to lack of motivation to fight for the manager, Wagner should be able to do that. I hope it is, all this about 2nd time round. If he’s quality he’s quality the rest is superstitious bullshit. The fact that he has been quickly sacked from his other jobs isn't superstitious, it's fact. |
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Post by ambryboy on Sept 15, 2022 10:56:30 GMT 1
Chelsea sacked Tuchel, didn't feck about and had Potter installed within around 24 hours. I realise that we are working under entirely different financial constraints but if the board couldn't read the runes a few games ago and start to put wheels in motion then they really are guilty of sleepwalking towards relegation.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 15, 2022 11:19:00 GMT 1
Chealsea sacked Tuchel, didn't feck about and had Potter installed within around 24 hours. I realise that we are working under entirely different financial constraints but if the board couldn't read the runes a few games ago and start to put wheels in motion then they really are guilty of sleepwalking towards relegation. Agreed. Also, if the board failed to notice the warmth of feeling and raucous applause that a certain Herr Wagner received the other week, then they can’t possibly realise that the most obvious solution to the problem was there, right in front of them. |
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Post by golcarexile on Sept 15, 2022 12:35:04 GMT 1
You would hope that if Wagner is in any way interested in the position, he's been watching proceedings and formulating a plan. Looking at the players, thinking about what's needed and deciding what his first 11 is.
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Post by huddersfc on Sept 15, 2022 12:41:08 GMT 1
Where does the story of his wife not wanting to come to Town come from? I didn't know that Derek Adams and Frau Wagner knew each other. They are both very well connected  |
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Post by ambryboy on Sept 15, 2022 12:41:29 GMT 1
Chealsea sacked Tuchel, didn't feck about and had Potter installed within around 24 hours. I realise that we are working under entirely different financial constraints but if the board couldn't read the runes a few games ago and start to put wheels in motion then they really are guilty of sleepwalking towards relegation. Agreed. Also, if the board failed to notice the warmth of feeling and raucous applause that a certain Herr Wagner received the other week, then they can’t possibly realise that the most obvious solution to the problem was there, right in front of them. It looks like @htafc35 has pretty much ruled a return of Herr Wagner one out in the Wagner, Warnock or someone completely different thread. Seems to be written like they are itk but then again on here who really knows? |
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 15, 2022 12:42:21 GMT 1
If he does come back isn't Chris Loewe available on a free? I'm sure Dave could still get a tune out of him. Left back is a massive problem for us at the moment.
The one thing we are missing now from Wagnwrs tenure is partnerships across the pitch. They look like a bunch of strangers. Smith/Kachunga, Hogg/Mooy, Palmer/Wells, Loewe/VLP. We have lost all of that.
We need a manager that can drive that spirit once again.
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Post by harris on Sept 15, 2022 12:55:01 GMT 1
Carrick in the frame according to Nicko
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Post by runner76 on Sept 15, 2022 12:57:24 GMT 1
David Wagner is the Godfather Part II or Return of the King |
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 15, 2022 13:06:27 GMT 1
Carrick in the frame according to Nicko Will he bring Fergie in for the hairdryer treatment? |
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Post by Uddersfield on Sept 15, 2022 13:11:31 GMT 1
Carrick in the frame according to Nicko Not sure how I feel about Carrick. Feel like he's just as soft as Schofield imo |
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Post by ruggedivy on Sept 15, 2022 13:13:54 GMT 1
Carrick in the frame according to Nicko Not a bad bloke but I think our situation calls for someone with first team managerial experience |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 15, 2022 13:19:44 GMT 1
If he does come back isn't Chris Loewe available on a free? I'm sure Dave could still get a tune out of him. Left back is a massive problem for us at the moment. The one thing we are missing now from Wagnwrs tenure is partnerships across the pitch. They look like a bunch of strangers. Smith/Kachunga, Hogg/Mooy, Palmer/Wells, Loewe/VLP. We have lost all of that. We need a manager that can drive that spirit once again. I doubt he'd cost much given that he's now playing in the German regional leagues. Of course, if he was still up to Championship level football I'd expect him to be plying his trade a little higher up the pyramid. |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Sept 15, 2022 13:22:34 GMT 1
David Wagner is the Godfather Part II or Return of the King As long as it doesn't end up like Rings Of Power... |
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