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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 22, 2023 12:04:55 GMT 1
Interesting to note that Camara was playing for the B team today so was clearly not in the squad for Blackpool. Surprised he couldn’t even make the bench. So Scott High looks to have taken Camara's place in the squad? A player that couldn't get a sniff in a poor Rotherham side has walked into our team & replaced one of the only shining lights this season? Fotheringham is taking the piss now. |
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Post by detox on Jan 22, 2023 13:23:30 GMT 1
Interesting to note that Camara was playing for the B team today so was clearly not in the squad for Blackpool. Surprised he couldn’t even make the bench. So Scott High looks to have taken Camara's place in the squad? A player that couldn't get a sniff in a poor Rotherham side has walked into our team & replaced one of the only shining lights this season? Fotheringham is taking the piss now. I never saw anything in High that made me think he deserved a squad place at Town. I don't know what it is that coaches/managers see in some players which is so different to my view. I accept they are with them all week and I only see them on the pitch, but it's one thing buzzing around at Canalside impressing the staff and totally different when on a match day you can't even do the basics.. Conversely Scott Arfield had put in same great performances with Town, then they switched him to a different role which didn't suit him, then we flogged him..and he went on to greater things.. It's one of life's mysteries I guess.. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jan 22, 2023 13:37:18 GMT 1
Hogg, Camara, and to some extent Kasumu are very similar players. It makes sense for someone to miss out. On form it should be Kasumu, but I see why it's Camara, it's his first season, his minutes need managing, and he may well have said he wants to leave
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Post by Drew Peacock on Jan 22, 2023 14:12:05 GMT 1
So Scott High looks to have taken Camara's place in the squad? A player that couldn't get a sniff in a poor Rotherham side has walked into our team & replaced one of the only shining lights this season? Fotheringham is taking the piss now. I never saw anything in High that made me think he deserved a squad place at Town. I don't know what it is that coaches/managers see in some players which is so different to my view. I accept they are with them all week and I only see them on the pitch, but it's one thing buzzing around at Canalside impressing the staff and totally different when on a match day you can't even do the basics.. Conversely Scott Arfield had put in same great performances with Town, then they switched him to a different role which didn't suit him, then we flogged him..and he went on to greater things.. It's one of life's mysteries I guess.. What basics are you saying that Scott High can't do? Nobody thinks he's spectacular but he he was no better or worse than anybody else on the pitch against Hull. |
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Post by ACW on Jan 22, 2023 14:41:48 GMT 1
I never saw anything in High that made me think he deserved a squad place at Town. I don't know what it is that coaches/managers see in some players which is so different to my view. I accept they are with them all week and I only see them on the pitch, but it's one thing buzzing around at Canalside impressing the staff and totally different when on a match day you can't even do the basics.. Conversely Scott Arfield had put in same great performances with Town, then they switched him to a different role which didn't suit him, then we flogged him..and he went on to greater things.. It's one of life's mysteries I guess.. What basics are you saying that Scott High can't do? Nobody thinks he's spectacular but he he was no better or worse than anybody else on the pitch against Hull. From what I've seen of Scott High, and what I've seen of Etienne Camara, it's a no brainer. Camara is head a shoulders above High in terms of performance levels for Town. I'm not saying High is a poor player, but the game seems to pass him by. Camara is always involved, getting on the ball and influencing our play. I see little of this from High. And we can't afford to be playing passengers. I'd be very concerned if High took Camara's place. Very concerned. |
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Post by stinkypete on Jan 22, 2023 14:45:43 GMT 1
So Scott High looks to have taken Camara's place in the squad? A player that couldn't get a sniff in a poor Rotherham side has walked into our team & replaced one of the only shining lights this season? Fotheringham is taking the piss now. I never saw anything in High that made me think he deserved a squad place at Town. I don't know what it is that coaches/managers see in some players which is so different to my view. I accept they are with them all week and I only see them on the pitch, but it's one thing buzzing around at Canalside impressing the staff and totally different when on a match day you can't even do the basics.. Conversely Scott Arfield had put in same great performances with Town, then they switched him to a different role which didn't suit him, then we flogged him..and he went on to greater things.. It's one of life's mysteries I guess.. Agree, never seen him have anything near a good game. His cameo against Swansea last season was one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen from a Town player. |
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Post by Drew Peacock on Jan 22, 2023 14:54:24 GMT 1
What basics are you saying that Scott High can't do? Nobody thinks he's spectacular but he he was no better or worse than anybody else on the pitch against Hull. From what I've seen of Scott High, and what I've seen of Etienne Camara, it's a no brainer. Camara is head a shoulders above High in terms of performance levels for Town. I'm not saying High is a poor player, but the game seems to pass him by. Camara is always involved, getting on the ball and influencing our play. I see little of this from High. And we can't afford to be playing passengers. I'd be very concerned if High took Camara's place. Very concerned. I don't disagree that Camara is and will be a better player than High, but to say he can't do the basics is over the top in my opinion. He seems to be described like a joke player amongst some of our fans based on doing not very much wrong. |
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Post by terrierbite on Jan 22, 2023 15:24:49 GMT 1
From what I've seen of Scott High, and what I've seen of Etienne Camara, it's a no brainer. Camara is head a shoulders above High in terms of performance levels for Town. I'm not saying High is a poor player, but the game seems to pass him by. Camara is always involved, getting on the ball and influencing our play. I see little of this from High. And we can't afford to be playing passengers. I I'd be very concerned if High took Camara's place. Very concerned. I don't disagree that Camara is and will be a better player than High, but to say he can't do the basics is over the top in my opinion. He seems to be described like a joke player amongst some of our fans based on doing not very much wrong. I agree very much that Scott High has become a joke player among some but agree with the majority that ha does very little when on the pitch ,very rarely passes the ball to a team mate and doesn’t tackle properly ,he looks the part but is very lucky to get the opportunity he does ,hope it comes off for him but sadly don’t think it will . |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jan 22, 2023 15:54:44 GMT 1
I don't disagree that Camara is and will be a better player than High, but to say he can't do the basics is over the top in my opinion. He seems to be described like a joke player amongst some of our fans based on doing not very much wrong. I agree very much that Scott High has become a joke player among some but agree with the majority that ha does very little when on the pitch ,very rarely passes the ball to a team mate and doesn’t tackle properly ,he looks the part but is very lucky to get the opportunity he does ,hope it comes off for him but sadly don’t think it will . This is just wall to wall incorrect. Looking at his stats from that game, he completed 26 out of 31 passes, 3 of which got us into the final third. He also won 100% of his non aerial duels. He's become a joke player because he does a lot of the unnoticeable grunt work. As the court of popular opinion has decided he's crap, his better performances are still quite low key. So people such as yourself just make stuff up to fill in the gaps when they've not noticed him doing much during the game. His infamous Swansea appearance was him being put out of position, off the bench, at a point when the whole team were playing badly. I've never heard anyone talk about how crap anyone else was in that game. Never known a player get so much unwarranted disrespect. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 24, 2023 1:33:23 GMT 1
I agree very much that Scott High has become a joke player among some but agree with the majority that ha does very little when on the pitch ,very rarely passes the ball to a team mate and doesn’t tackle properly ,he looks the part but is very lucky to get the opportunity he does ,hope it comes off for him but sadly don’t think it will . This is just wall to wall incorrect. Looking at his stats from that game, he completed 26 out of 31 passes, 3 of which got us into the final third. He also won 100% of his non aerial duels. He's become a joke player because he does a lot of the unnoticeable grunt work. As the court of popular opinion has decided he's crap, his better performances are still quite low key. So people such as yourself just make stuff up to fill in the gaps when they've not noticed him doing much during the game. His infamous Swansea appearance was him being put out of position, off the bench, at a point when the whole team were playing badly. I've never heard anyone talk about how crap anyone else was in that game. Never known a player get so much unwarranted disrespect. Simon Baldry? On second thoughts… |
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Post by wildhogg on Jan 24, 2023 9:59:07 GMT 1
Camara should, if he stays on the straight and narrow, have a long career at either his current level or above. Conversely, I haven't seen Scott High do anything whatsoever of note in the games he's played. In terms of 'grunt' work, he seems powder-puff and struggles to tackle. In terms of passing and creativity, I can't remember witnessing anything of note. He might get around the pitch, but that means diddly squat if you contribute nothing to play. I was stunned when he appeared in MMF's starting XI at Hull.
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Post by mosher on Jan 24, 2023 11:14:56 GMT 1
This is just wall to wall incorrect. Looking at his stats from that game, he completed 26 out of 31 passes, 3 of which got us into the final third. He also won 100% of his non aerial duels. He's become a joke player because he does a lot of the unnoticeable grunt work. As the court of popular opinion has decided he's crap, his better performances are still quite low key. So people such as yourself just make stuff up to fill in the gaps when they've not noticed him doing much during the game. His infamous Swansea appearance was him being put out of position, off the bench, at a point when the whole team were playing badly. I've never heard anyone talk about how crap anyone else was in that game. Never known a player get so much unwarranted disrespect. Simon Baldry? On second thoughts… Used to bathe in Deep Heat by the smell of him. Once came round doing autographs and my cousin Becky got her program signed, came back to us holding her nose saying he stank. Next time I went down with her and he did ... of Deep Heat  |
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Post by townarentbest on Jan 24, 2023 11:21:47 GMT 1
Camara should, if he stays on the straight and narrow, have a long career at either his current level or above. Conversely, I haven't seen Scott High do anything whatsoever of note in the games he's played. In terms of 'grunt' work, he seems powder-puff and struggles to tackle. In terms of passing and creativity, I can't remember witnessing anything of note. He might get around the pitch, but that means diddly squat if you contribute nothing to play. I was stunned when he appeared in MMF's starting XI at Hull. A lightweight version of Chris Holland - who was continually lauded for all the 'unseen' work he did, before disappearing anonymously down the leagues? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 24, 2023 11:51:38 GMT 1
Think Scott High is pretty decent technically, but still has some way to go in terms of his development if hes ever going to be a genuine Championship level player. His physical development, his decision making..
At only 21 with about 30 starts under his belt he isnt the finished article or anything like it, so its wrong to write him off as 'never be good enough'.
At the same age Aaron Mooy had played half a dozen games for St Mirren and was about to go back to the Australian league to get a game.
High seems to have a good attitude so could end up being a really good player at this level.
One thing that will cock up any chance of that is if the crowd start singling him out as a target to have a go at.
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Post by Sparrow on Jan 24, 2023 12:37:07 GMT 1
Think Scott High is pretty decent technically, but still has some way to go in terms of his development if hes ever going to be a genuine Championship level player. His physical development, his decision making.. At only 21 with about 30 starts under his belt he isnt the finished article or anything like it, so its wrong to write him off as 'never be good enough'. At the same age Aaron Mooy had played half a dozen games for St Mirren and was about to go back to the Australian league to get a game. High seems to have a good attitude so could end up being a really good player at this level. One thing that will cock up any chance of that is if the crowd start singling him out as a target to have a go at. That is 100% correct |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 24, 2023 12:47:12 GMT 1
A midfield two of Hogg & High might be rigid but where will the midfield creativity come from? We're already playing with 5 at the back. We're not even averaging a goal a game & failed to score in 10 games.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 24, 2023 12:50:31 GMT 1
Think Scott High is pretty decent technically, but still has some way to go in terms of his development if hes ever going to be a genuine Championship level player. His physical development, his decision making.. At only 21 with about 30 starts under his belt he isnt the finished article or anything like it, so its wrong to write him off as 'never be good enough'. At the same age Aaron Mooy had played half a dozen games for St Mirren and was about to go back to the Australian league to get a game. High seems to have a good attitude so could end up being a really good player at this level. One thing that will cock up any chance of that is if the crowd start singling him out as a target to have a go at. That is 100% correct The fans have given the players an easy ride this season. They don't deserve the support they get & should feel lucky that nobody has been singled out after some of the disgraceful performances they've put in this season. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 24, 2023 12:55:14 GMT 1
A midfield two of Hogg & High might be rigid but where will the midfield creativity come from? We're already playing with 5 at the back. We're not even averaging a goal a game & failed to score in 10 games. High's more creative than Kasumu or Camara |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 24, 2023 13:02:03 GMT 1
A midfield two of Hogg & High might be rigid but where will the midfield creativity come from? We're already playing with 5 at the back. We're not even averaging a goal a game & failed to score in 10 games. High's more creative than Kasumu or Camara Which is a worry. 51 championship appearances with one assist to his name. If we're playing with Hogg & High we need to play with an attacking midfielder aswell & take a CB out. It's defensive overkill, especially when we're playing teams around us. |
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Post by shawsie on Jan 24, 2023 13:19:58 GMT 1
A midfield two of Hogg & High might be rigid but where will the midfield creativity come from? We're already playing with 5 at the back. We're not even averaging a goal a game & failed to score in 10 games. High's more creative than Kasumu or Camara Wouldnt be difficult on what ive seen. Camara rarely gets beyond halfway and Kasumu struggling to adapt to this level. Rudoni no different to Kasumu albeit he hasnt yet played in his former no 10 role has he? |
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Post by Sparrow on Jan 24, 2023 13:32:54 GMT 1
The fans have given the players an easy ride this season. They don't deserve the support they get & should feel lucky that nobody has been singled out after some of the disgraceful performances they've put in this season. To be honest I was talking specifically about Scott High. It will not do him or his development any good if fans start getting on his back and giving him shit. There is a player in there, a real player. Let's give the lad a chance to develop. Only 22 next month and only played 52 Championship matches (just over 3,000 minutes which is less than 34 full games). As a club we desperately need these youngsters to succeed. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jan 24, 2023 13:36:48 GMT 1
High's more creative than Kasumu or Camara Which is a worry. 51 championship appearances with one assist to his name. If we're playing with Hogg & High we need to play with an attacking midfielder aswell & take a CB out. It's defensive overkill, especially when we're playing teams around us. and it was an assist in name only. little 5 yard pass to tee up Toffolo's wonder strike at Coventry. I'm not sure how useful it is as a stat. High plays deeper he's more about the pass before the assist. O'Brien didn't rack many up, but nobody could argue he wasn't a big part of the build ups |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 24, 2023 13:47:37 GMT 1
Which is a worry. 51 championship appearances with one assist to his name. If we're playing with Hogg & High we need to play with an attacking midfielder aswell & take a CB out. It's defensive overkill, especially when we're playing teams around us. and it was an assist in name only. little 5 yard pass to tee up Toffolo's wonder strike at Coventry. I'm not sure how useful it is as a stat. High plays deeper he's more about the pass before the assist. O'Brien didn't rack many up, but nobody could argue he wasn't a big part of the build ups Which is the exact point I'm making. I'm not criticising him because he doesn't create enough, that's not his game. If he's playing in a midfield two with Hogg we'll create very little from that area without an attacking midfielder in there aswell. MF is obsessed with 5 at the back, regardless of the opposition, or if we're losing. We lose that extra body in midfield that can be the link between a rigid midfield & attack which is a big reason why we average less than a goal a game. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 24, 2023 13:52:44 GMT 1
Which is a worry. 51 championship appearances with one assist to his name. If we're playing with Hogg & High we need to play with an attacking midfielder aswell & take a CB out. It's defensive overkill, especially when we're playing teams around us. and it was an assist in name only. little 5 yard pass to tee up Toffolo's wonder strike at Coventry. I'm not sure how useful it is as a stat. High plays deeper he's more about the pass before the assist. O'Brien didn't rack many up, but nobody could argue he wasn't a big part of the build ups Sinani's winner v WBA last season. High got the ball, came forward and slipped the ball through for Wardy to run onto and cross, Sinani slid in at the far post. Highs game in a nutshell. |
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Post by stinkypete on Jan 24, 2023 13:56:05 GMT 1
I agree very much that Scott High has become a joke player among some but agree with the majority that ha does very little when on the pitch ,very rarely passes the ball to a team mate and doesn’t tackle properly ,he looks the part but is very lucky to get the opportunity he does ,hope it comes off for him but sadly don’t think it will . This is just wall to wall incorrect. Looking at his stats from that game, he completed 26 out of 31 passes, 3 of which got us into the final third. He also won 100% of his non aerial duels. He's become a joke player because he does a lot of the unnoticeable grunt work. As the court of popular opinion has decided he's crap, his better performances are still quite low key. So people such as yourself just make stuff up to fill in the gaps when they've not noticed him doing much during the game. His infamous Swansea appearance was him being put out of position, off the bench, at a point when the whole team were playing badly. I've never heard anyone talk about how crap anyone else was in that game. Never known a player get so much unwarranted disrespect. I don’t remember any other Town players playing the opposition through one on one with the goalkeeper (twice) though as he did in this game. it’s not disrespect it’s just stating facts, he’s not good enough for this level. |
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Post by softboy on Jan 24, 2023 13:57:50 GMT 1
I thought High played really well at Hull. We lost 2 points by launching it forward from the back to no one in particular and then it came straight back not because of his contribution.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 24, 2023 13:57:55 GMT 1
and it was an assist in name only. little 5 yard pass to tee up Toffolo's wonder strike at Coventry. I'm not sure how useful it is as a stat. High plays deeper he's more about the pass before the assist. O'Brien didn't rack many up, but nobody could argue he wasn't a big part of the build ups Sinani's winner v WBA last season. High got the ball, came forward and slipped the ball through for Wardy to run onto and cross, Sinani slid in at the far post. Highs game in a nutshell. That's one pass though, throughout his career, including his loan at Shrewsbury, he's averaged 0.4 key passes a game. His game is breaking up play & giving it to the nearest man, just like Hogg. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jan 24, 2023 14:35:04 GMT 1
Sinani's winner v WBA last season. High got the ball, came forward and slipped the ball through for Wardy to run onto and cross, Sinani slid in at the far post. Highs game in a nutshell. That's one pass though, throughout his career, including his loan at Shrewsbury, he's averaged 0.4 key passes a game. His game is breaking up play & giving it to the nearest man, just like Hogg. Despite that leading to a goal, his action there was not a key pass. A key pass is an assist, but for all shots, rather than just shots leading to goals. So the point about his game being more about the pass before the assist still stands. Can't think of another player that, when an example of his style of play is given, would get a response of 'that's just one pass throughout his career'. Sums up the illogical bad faith fans have towards him |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 24, 2023 14:42:08 GMT 1
and it was an assist in name only. little 5 yard pass to tee up Toffolo's wonder strike at Coventry. I'm not sure how useful it is as a stat. High plays deeper he's more about the pass before the assist. O'Brien didn't rack many up, but nobody could argue he wasn't a big part of the build ups Sinani's winner v WBA last season. High got the ball, came forward and slipped the ball through for Wardy to run onto and cross, Sinani slid in at the far post. Highs game in a nutshell. A reminder for anyone who cares to watch it again: |
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Post by Ibiza Town on Jan 24, 2023 15:33:48 GMT 1
Interesting to note that Camara was playing for the B team today so was clearly not in the squad for Blackpool. Surprised he couldn’t even make the bench. So Scott High looks to have taken Camara's place in the squad? A player that couldn't get a sniff in a poor Rotherham side has walked into our team & replaced one of the only shining lights this season? Fotheringham is taking the piss now. Don’t want to comment on MF, but I thought we really missed Cámara starting at Hull. I didn’t understand it kickoff, and my misgivings were born out of the end. I’ve no idea if High has a future but to date he has never managed to impose himself on that midfield The flimsy midfield at Hull cost us the 3 points |
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