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Post by softboy on Sept 29, 2022 15:06:55 GMT 1
So 14 people have been identified as invading the pitch, 1 has been dealt with by the courts and another pending. Cost Town 70k. That’s 5k for every fan identified for invading the pitch. Sounds a lot to me
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Post by softboy on Sept 29, 2022 15:08:25 GMT 1
Hope they don’t identify another 200 as that would cost Town £1m!
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Post by ambryboy on Sept 29, 2022 15:12:18 GMT 1
They just make up the figure based on the stature of the club I reckon. Bristol Rovers for something similar got a fine of £16,500 www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2022/august/rovers-fined-for-rule-breaches/Haven't seen what forest were fined yet but you'd hope it would be similar if not greater than ours, given the sharp incident and the allegations against mcburnie etc. Farsical though how the independent panel comes up with the fee, imagine it's bit like having a speeding penalty that increases because you're driving a 2022 5 series as supposed to a 92 VW polo. You have to assume the scale of said fine is meant as a "deterrent" to the club (i.e worth more, you pay more) but still there should be some transparency of where this figure comes from. If it is based on the size and stature of the club then surely The Florists could face an unlimited fine? |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 29, 2022 15:16:25 GMT 1
Anyone know how much Forest were fined? Should be about double that given a crime was committed during the pitch invasion. More than one, Sharps assailant and McBurnie for a start |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 29, 2022 17:48:21 GMT 1
It says in the Examiner article...
"Huddersfield can appeal the charges and the independent Regulatory Commission's written reasons for the decision will be published in due course."
So why can't they wait and publish the reason for the fine at the same time as they advise the cost???
How can you appeal when you don't know what sort of angle your appeal might have?
Unless of course, "in due course" means tomorrow?
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Post by bluestripe on Sept 29, 2022 18:03:43 GMT 1
Only time I've been on the pitch was last game at Leeds Road and I was a pissed up, stoned 19/20 year old. I don't mind the end of season antics, unless they turn nasty. Sadly, it turns nasty far too often nowadays and the only solution appears to be a universal ban. So, as usual, the minority knobheads stop the majority's fun!!! This. EFL promised tougher penalties after the spate of incidents in the playoffs, so I guess this is the new benchmark. Port Vale fined £15k. Would be of course interesting to know how they come to these fines. Forest pitch invasion still going through EFL disciplinary process. Assume this had to be delayed until criminal cases had been dealt with. Not sure why fans are moaning about the fine. If the play off pitch invasions nastiness become the norm, it is only a matter of time before someone gets knifed. |
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 29, 2022 18:55:39 GMT 1
THere was two women on the pitch probably late 40's early 50's they were not hooligans just very foolish.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 29, 2022 19:30:27 GMT 1
The club deserves fining , on the night they as good as promoted a pitch invasion . The gaps were left open the stewards and police weren’t interested in giving the impression going on the pitch was a deffo no goer.
It was always going to happen. I’ve no sympathy with the club being fined . If announcements ( LOUD) would of been made near the end making it very clear any fans going on pitch would be BANNED FOR LIFE and prosecuted , most wouldn’t of.
I don’t blame the fans, didn’t go on didn’t want too but let’s make it very clear it wasn’t frowned upon on the night ,it was more or less a given. £75000 fair . If the clubs goes out of its way to make it clear the fans will be punished on entering the pitch
and the police and stewards behave like it isn’t acceptable this wouldn’t of happened and if it had only on a very small scale which could of been dealt with easily on the night and afterwards .
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 29, 2022 20:38:39 GMT 1
The club deserves fining , on the night they as good as promoted a pitch invasion . The gaps were left open the stewards and police weren’t interested in giving the impression going on the pitch was a deffo no goer. What influence does the club have over how games are policed and stewarded? |
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Post by ldr on Sept 29, 2022 20:39:06 GMT 1
Are all those who went on the pitch putting their hands in their pockets? The problem, as always, was a tiny minority. Most were excited and that excitement spilled over. Silly but understandable. However, there were a few knobs whose only intention was to goad the Luton fans and lob stuff at them. I watched one guy absolutely lose his shit trying to get at them and having to be held back. Pricks like that need banning imo. Why would you even react like that after such a dramatic win? It’s baffling. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Sept 29, 2022 21:16:12 GMT 1
Great innit. Thats £20k more than Blackpool were fined when their fans stormed the pitch and caused the game against us to be abandoned half way through!! I think the old man covered in blood will have exacerbated the situation |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Sept 29, 2022 21:50:16 GMT 1
Stewards are never gonna care less. I’d guess they get around £12-15ph, who would risk a fat lip for that? Very hard to say that they, as individuals, should have done more.
The police aren’t there to make sure no one enters the pitch, they are there to oversee the overall safety of the public attending the event as a whole.
The fault lies with the safety manager and planning team who should have foreseen the possibility (it was a tradition for years) and had suitable resources to prevent it. Whether that was requesting additional police assistance or employing dozens more stewards to create a preventative ring around the fences. The ‘club’ didn’t do this (no doubt saving a lot of money in wages) and have rightly been fined.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Sept 29, 2022 22:13:08 GMT 1
Has the fine ramped up because a Luton fan was on the pitch with the massed Town fans and got a cut head from a bottle thrown onto the pitch by Luton fans and the picture was plastered everywhere and used inaccurately to infer violent Hudds support ?? The person in question was elderly, sitting in the Luton end, and was hit with a coin. I smell shenanigans... No self-respecting Yorkshireman would throw a coin! |
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 29, 2022 22:43:16 GMT 1
The fault lies with the safety manager and planning team who should have foreseen the possibility (it was a tradition for years) and had suitable resources to prevent it. Whether that was requesting additional police assistance or employing dozens more stewards to create a preventative ring around the fences. The ‘club’ didn’t do this (no doubt saving a lot of money in wages) and have rightly been fined. The disconnect you have though is that the safety manager and planning team are not the club. If there should be a fine, maybe it should be directed to KSDL ? |
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Post by westislandterrier on Sept 29, 2022 22:54:25 GMT 1
The person in question was elderly, sitting in the Luton end, and was hit with a coin. I smell shenanigans... No self-respecting Yorkshireman would throw a coin! Nor an Aberdonian by all accounts ! Glaswegians must be minted tho as in 1999 at a Celtic v Rangers Derby at Parkhead £73.50 was counted on the pitch and one hit the intended target - referee Hugh Dallas ! Attachment Deleted |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 29, 2022 22:59:04 GMT 1
Only time I've been on the pitch was last game at Leeds Road and I was a pissed up, stoned 19/20 year old. I don't mind the end of season antics, unless they turn nasty. Sadly, it turns nasty far too often nowadays and the only solution appears to be a universal ban. So, as usual, the minority knobheads stop the majority's fun!!! This. EFL promised tougher penalties after the spate of incidents in the playoffs, so I guess this is the new benchmark. Port Vale fined £15k. Would be of course interesting to know how they come to these fines. Forest pitch invasion still going through EFL disciplinary process. Assume this had to be delayed until criminal cases had been dealt with. Not sure why fans are moaning about the fine. If the play off pitch invasions nastiness become the norm, it is only a matter of time before someone gets knifed. But they only clamped down after the play offs. There has been play off invasions for years and no one has been fined. The club kind of condoned it, knew it would happen and made no effort to stop it. You can't decide your bringing in a law then take action about something that happened before. The whole thing is ridiculous. Typical. |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Sept 29, 2022 23:32:04 GMT 1
Are all those who went on the pitch putting their hands in their pockets? I'm not sure the knuckle dragging monkeys could even find their pockets! Some, most in fact were just having fun |
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Post by willo on Sept 30, 2022 0:57:19 GMT 1
I'm not sure the knuckle dragging monkeys could even find their pockets! Some, most in fact were just having fun Then they’re idea of fun is different to most people’s idea of fun. Bunch of slack-jawed half-wits the lot of them. And it’s not just restricted to us. Probably seen the end of this malarkey now though given the punishments they’ll be doling out in future. 👍 |
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Post by offsideclyde on Sept 30, 2022 4:34:20 GMT 1
Not sure how we can moan.
We know we can't enter the pitch.
We know we can't throw coins at opposition fans which caused injuries.
We know we can't attack Stewards.
We know we can't abuse opposition players.
We know we can't goad and abuse opposition managers and goad Luton fans who are sat in the stands.
We know we can't throw pyrotechnics into the away end.
Excitement yes no problem and emotions run high needs to be taken into account but that night was ridiculous and it was criminal behaviour. Hard to accept as yes it was the minority.
Accept the fine and hold a review and move on from it.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Sept 30, 2022 5:15:23 GMT 1
I smell shenanigans... No self-respecting Yorkshireman would throw a coin! Nor an Aberdonian by all accounts ! Glaswegians must be minted tho as in 1999 at a Celtic v Rangers Derby at Parkhead £73.50 was counted on the pitch and one hit the intended target - referee Hugh Dallas ! View Attachment Typical... as one stereotype is debunked, another is reinforced!  When I hear the name Hugh Dallas, my first thought is the Mogwai song of the same name. |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Sept 30, 2022 7:48:38 GMT 1
I'm not sure the knuckle dragging monkeys could even find their pockets! Some, most in fact were just having fun 👆👆👆👆 No idea where his pockets are! It's wholly, totally, completely unnacceptable, please try to understand? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 30, 2022 8:02:32 GMT 1
Stewards are never gonna care less. I’d guess they get around £12-15ph, who would risk a fat lip for that? Very hard to say that they, as individuals, should have done more. The police aren’t there to make sure no one enters the pitch, they are there to oversee the overall safety of the public attending the event as a whole. The fault lies with the safety manager and planning team who should have foreseen the possibility (it was a tradition for years) and had suitable resources to prevent it. Whether that was requesting additional police assistance or employing dozens more stewards to create a preventative ring around the fences. The ‘club’ didn’t do this (no doubt saving a lot of money in wages) and have rightly been fined. I can tell you now, stewards do not get paid anything like that, £15 per hour is basically 30k a year pro rated and they don't get that. Minimum wage of £9.50 is about their lot. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Sept 30, 2022 8:38:36 GMT 1
Stewards are never gonna care less. I’d guess they get around £12-15ph, who would risk a fat lip for that? Very hard to say that they, as individuals, should have done more. The police aren’t there to make sure no one enters the pitch, they are there to oversee the overall safety of the public attending the event as a whole. The fault lies with the safety manager and planning team who should have foreseen the possibility (it was a tradition for years) and had suitable resources to prevent it. Whether that was requesting additional police assistance or employing dozens more stewards to create a preventative ring around the fences. The ‘club’ didn’t do this (no doubt saving a lot of money in wages) and have rightly been fined. I can tell you now, stewards do not get paid anything like that, £15 per hour is basically 30k a year pro rated and they don't get that. Minimum wage of £9.50 is about their lot. Pretty shameful and all the more reason for them not being overly motivated to get ‘stuck in’ when the crowd act up. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Sept 30, 2022 8:40:17 GMT 1
The fault lies with the safety manager and planning team who should have foreseen the possibility (it was a tradition for years) and had suitable resources to prevent it. Whether that was requesting additional police assistance or employing dozens more stewards to create a preventative ring around the fences. The ‘club’ didn’t do this (no doubt saving a lot of money in wages) and have rightly been fined. The disconnect you have though is that the safety manager and planning team are not the club. If there should be a fine, maybe it should be directed to KSDL ? Thanks, I didn’t know that. I thought the club would have the responsibility of their own security arrangements. |
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Post by benhomly on Sept 30, 2022 9:00:55 GMT 1
THere was two women on the pitch probably late 40's early 50's they were not hooligans just very foolish. There were a few thousand on the pitch, I think we can safely say a few thousand of them (bar a hundred tops) weren’t hooligans. Half of them probably not even aware it was an offence, just got carried away by the moment. Which in such an emotive game people should be allowed to do, as usual a few dickheads intent on slapping players or nutting them or chucking coins into the opposition fans have to spoil it for the rest. |
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Post by rooo on Sept 30, 2022 9:25:22 GMT 1
THere was two women on the pitch probably late 40's early 50's they were not hooligans just very foolish. There were a few thousand on the pitch, I think we can safely say a few thousand of them (bar a hundred tops) weren’t hooligans. Half of them probably not even aware it was an offence, just got carried away by the moment. Which in such an emotive game people should be allowed to do, as usual a few dickheads intent on slapping players or nutting them or chucking coins into the opposition fans have to spoil it for the rest. But 'not entering the pitch' has been in the ground regulations since I started watching Town in the late 60s - so no excuses for anyone to do so! As part of the purchase process of buying your match ticket or season card you agree to abide by the EFL Ground Regulations (that is on the back of your season card) and tother terms and conditions. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 30, 2022 10:12:51 GMT 1
Great innit. Thats £20k more than Blackpool were fined when their fans stormed the pitch and caused the game against us to be abandoned half way through!! I think the old man covered in blood will have exacerbated the situation Quite probably. But that ( people being hit by a coin ) must happen at countless games every season without any consequence for the club. Its something the club can do nothing at all about. Short of stopping everyone on entry to strip search them for any coins. There was an obvious issue with this sort of thing last season and theyre obviously going to come down harder on it now. I just hope other clubs who had perhaps worse incidents happen get fined more than we have. If these kids were old enough to remember how shit it was with barriers at the front of the stands then they might think twice about doing it. Not that the barriers stopped a pitch invasion. I got on after Newport game and promotion in 83, it was just a challenge to get up and over it. My mate wasnt quite as agile and hung there upside down because the flies of his jeans had got caught in the top of the barrier!  |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 30, 2022 10:27:49 GMT 1
Part of the problem for me, is that football fans are starting to be badged by the authorities as they were in the 70's & 80's when crowd trouble was more serious.
In reality they're using football supporters as an example to support a more authoritarian regime.
That might sound laughable to some, but it's how I see this when you add in a few other things happening with law & order.
99.9% of football supporters are good eggs, as per usual in modern society, the impact of the minority is amplified in the media/social media...
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Sept 30, 2022 10:36:04 GMT 1
Some, most in fact were just having fun 👆👆👆👆 No idea where his pockets are! It's wholly, totally, completely unnacceptable, please try to understand? Don't insult me just because I have a different opinion to you.I saw dad's with kids on their shoulders just embracing the moment, not all we're "knuckle draggers" |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Sept 30, 2022 10:39:14 GMT 1
Some, most in fact were just having fun Then they’re idea of fun is different to most people’s idea of fun. Bunch of slack-jawed half-wits the lot of them. And it’s not just restricted to us. Probably seen the end of this malarkey now though given the punishments they’ll be doling out in future. 👍 I'm not condoning it at all but to label them all the same is pathetic |
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