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Post by Champers on Oct 28, 2022 12:48:44 GMT 1
I would prefer fan ownership or any buyer who comes in and runs us as a break even business, regardless of what division this takes us to. Can't imagine anything worse than Saudis etc coming in and using us like their personal play thing. It's a viewpoint I really struggle to understand is this. I mean, at a guess, would you imagine your average Newcastle United supporter is happier or unhappier in their current predicament than they were under Mr Break Even himself, Mike Ashley? We're football fans first and foremost. We all want our teams to succeed, so why would any supporter rather settle for mediocrity? And where have these all these moral dilemmas over where a clubs owners come from all of a sudden? Find me a nation on earth that hasn't committed some seriously atrocious acts in either their present or their past, I would imagine it is a pretty tough ask. Half of the Premier League clubs are owned by Americans, and some of the shit the CIA alone has pulled in the past 50 years should be enough to trigger peoples' emotional reflexes. Yet all the ire only ever seems to fall on those from the Middle east. Why is that I wonder? |
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Post by Mastercracker on Oct 28, 2022 13:24:35 GMT 1
I would prefer fan ownership or any buyer who comes in and runs us as a break even business, regardless of what division this takes us to. Can't imagine anything worse than Saudis etc coming in and using us like their personal play thing. It's a viewpoint I really struggle to understand is this. I mean, at a guess, would you imagine your average Newcastle United supporter is happier or unhappier in their current predicament than they were under Mr Break Even himself, Mike Ashley? We're football fans first and foremost. We all want our teams to succeed, so why would any supporter rather settle for mediocrity? And where have these all these moral dilemmas over where a clubs owners come from all of a sudden? Find me a nation on earth that hasn't committed some seriously atrocious acts in either their present or their past, I would imagine it is a pretty tough ask. Half of the Premier League clubs are owned by Americans, and some of the shit the CIA alone has pulled in the past 50 years should be enough to trigger peoples' emotional reflexes. Yet all the ire only ever seems to fall on those from the Middle east. Why is that I wonder? I kinda get not wanting the Saudi thing, not that that's gonna be a worry for us, but I can't comprehend not wanting anyone who pumps money in. Basically it's like saying you'd prefer Ken Davy to the Bournemouth, Leicester, Wolves, Fulham etc owners. Bizarre. |
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Post by Melc on Oct 28, 2022 14:08:44 GMT 1
I would prefer fan ownership or any buyer who comes in and runs us as a break even business, regardless of what division this takes us to. Can't imagine anything worse than Saudis etc coming in and using us like their personal play thing. I can’t imagine worse than the club being in a position that we can’t compete at any level due to being totally skint. This club is far bigger than that, we should be at least looking at any offers from any potential buyers that give us a reasonable chance to compete. If we where to be owned by some super rich owner ( and I don’t think it would happen) and the club was run similar to say how Leicester City is run, embracing the local community and charities etc what is wrong with that. |
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Post by ageingterrier on Oct 28, 2022 14:17:36 GMT 1
Let’s get Vladimir in then. He needs to improved his image but there are plenty on here who will accept his I’ll gotten gains and shocking human rights record.
Mind you, if he doesn’t buy us Erling Haaland or if we lose the odd match, that will bring down the wrath of DatM!
I’m being daft I know, but where do people draw the line?
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Post by Dan on Oct 28, 2022 14:23:23 GMT 1
I would prefer fan ownership or any buyer who comes in and runs us as a break even business, regardless of what division this takes us to. Can't imagine anything worse than Saudis etc coming in and using us like their personal play thing. It's a viewpoint I really struggle to understand is this. I mean, at a guess, would you imagine your average Newcastle United supporter is happier or unhappier in their current predicament than they were under Mr Break Even himself, Mike Ashley? We're football fans first and foremost. We all want our teams to succeed, so why would any supporter rather settle for mediocrity? And where have these all these moral dilemmas over where a clubs owners come from all of a sudden? Find me a nation on earth that hasn't committed some seriously atrocious acts in either their present or their past, I would imagine it is a pretty tough ask. Half of the Premier League clubs are owned by Americans, and some of the shit the CIA alone has pulled in the past 50 years should be enough to trigger peoples' emotional reflexes. Yet all the ire only ever seems to fall on those from the Middle east. Why is that I wonder? Bit of a difference being owned by a wealthy American with no links to the government/CIA to being owned by the Saudi state who murdered a journalist. |
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Oct 28, 2022 14:48:49 GMT 1
I would prefer fan ownership or any buyer who comes in and runs us as a break even business, regardless of what division this takes us to. Can't imagine anything worse than Saudis etc coming in and using us like their personal play thing. It's a viewpoint I really struggle to understand is this. I mean, at a guess, would you imagine your average Newcastle United supporter is happier or unhappier in their current predicament than they were under Mr Break Even himself, Mike Ashley? We're football fans first and foremost. We all want our teams to succeed, so why would any supporter rather settle for mediocrity? And where have these all these moral dilemmas over where a clubs owners come from all of a sudden? Find me a nation on earth that hasn't committed some seriously atrocious acts in either their present or their past, I would imagine it is a pretty tough ask. Half of the Premier League clubs are owned by Americans, and some of the shit the CIA alone has pulled in the past 50 years should be enough to trigger peoples' emotional reflexes. Yet all the ire only ever seems to fall on those from the Middle east. Why is that I wonder? Speak for yourself. First and foremost I'm a human being and one with values. I'll assess any potential new owner in my own way and will at that point decide whether the business/club is one that I can still support. My loyalty cannot be taken for granted when it comes to the type of owner and where the money to buy the club came from. |
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Post by mosher on Oct 28, 2022 14:54:31 GMT 1
It's a viewpoint I really struggle to understand is this. I mean, at a guess, would you imagine your average Newcastle United supporter is happier or unhappier in their current predicament than they were under Mr Break Even himself, Mike Ashley? We're football fans first and foremost. We all want our teams to succeed, so why would any supporter rather settle for mediocrity? And where have these all these moral dilemmas over where a clubs owners come from all of a sudden? Find me a nation on earth that hasn't committed some seriously atrocious acts in either their present or their past, I would imagine it is a pretty tough ask. Half of the Premier League clubs are owned by Americans, and some of the shit the CIA alone has pulled in the past 50 years should be enough to trigger peoples' emotional reflexes. Yet all the ire only ever seems to fall on those from the Middle east. Why is that I wonder? Speak for yourself. First and foremost I'm a human being and one with values. I'll assess any potential new owner in my own way and will at that point decide whether the business/club is one that I can still support. My loyalty cannot be taken for granted when it comes to the type of owner and where the money to buy the club came from. Well I hope you're that diligent when buying groceries and household goods then? Boycott anything Chinese? Only buy Cypriot Delight, not Turkish? No dates or olives or such from the middle east?  |
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Post by runner76 on Oct 28, 2022 15:09:42 GMT 1
Speak for yourself. First and foremost I'm a human being and one with values. I'll assess any potential new owner in my own way and will at that point decide whether the business/club is one that I can still support. My loyalty cannot be taken for granted when it comes to the type of owner and where the money to buy the club came from. Well I hope you're that diligent when buying groceries and household goods then? Boycott anything Chinese? Only buy Cypriot Delight, not Turkish? No dates or olives or such from the middle east? ….and check all items of clothing ethically sourced, of course. |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 28, 2022 15:11:44 GMT 1
Let’s get Vladimir in then. He needs to improved his image but there are plenty on here who will accept his I’ll gotten gains and shocking human rights record. Mind you, if he doesn’t buy us Erling Haaland or if we lose the odd match, that will bring down the wrath of DatM! I’m being daft I know, but where do people draw the line? TLDR; The line is drawn at "anyone who is ALLOWED to be the owner should be allowed to be the owner"! --- The line for me is pretty simple - someone who passes the Owners & Directors test with all the checks around proof of funds and disbarring conditions that that includes. It's a lower line that Dean was prepared to go to last time around - where multiple foreign investors didn't meet his perceived required standard. Dean; " I have spoken to lots of people over the last few months from around the world, most of them wanted me to still be the figurehead of the club, foreign investors who may turn up three, four, five times a year to watch games - and I just thought that's not what Huddersfield Town is about. It needs to be a hands-on chairman, somebody who can understand the football club, somebody who can feel the tone and expectation of the fans and manage it in a professional way". Maybe (hopefully from my point of view - as I think he's misguided in this), he will be less strict in deciding who he's prepared to sell to this time around. It *doesn't* need to have an owner who turns up to every game and be a hands-on chairman at all. It needs to be an owner who can set in place a good CEO who can run the club effectively within a budget thats made available, thats it. Bit of an extreme example, but look at Wrexham. Their owners are light touch, they've brought in a well respected Chief Exec (from a club a couple of divisions up), they've put their own trusted guy in as Exec Director in an interface role between her and them, and supported by three guys in advisory roles with masses of experience in football in Shaun Harvey, Peter Moore (ex CEO at Liverpool) and Les Reed (head of football development at Southampton during the period when they went from League 1 to the Premier League). I know that the £££'s involved at Wrexham are nowhere near the levels at Hudds, but the implication is Dean would turn down an approach from a group like Rob McElhenney and Ryan Reynolds just because when he was owner he decided he'd be hands on and be at the vast majority of games? Its a very insular approach - and doesn't acknowledge that football at this level is a global business and should be ran like one. From what I can see, just 8 (including Town) of Championship clubs are majority owned by an English person. If Dean had been in the position to sell the majority other 16 clubs, who would he have sold them to? - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_owners_of_English_football_clubs#EFL_Championship^Scroll up and down that page and you can see the globalisation of the game as you go up the ladder...clubs owned by English owners are more likely to be clubs that are held back by finance and don't progress up the leagues. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 28, 2022 15:18:58 GMT 1
Id prefer a mega rich local lifelong town fan as owner but if weve run out of them and the next one is some stupendously wealthy Arab who want to use us as his plaything to compete with his mates' clubs at the top end of the game, then Im going to be quite happy with that! If his country has done things or has attitudes that dont tally with my values then that isn't going to concern me too much. Im sure our country will have done things and have attitudes that dont tally with his values! Besides its getting a bit too crowded up there on the moral high ground. |
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Post by Champers on Oct 28, 2022 15:26:31 GMT 1
It's a viewpoint I really struggle to understand is this. I mean, at a guess, would you imagine your average Newcastle United supporter is happier or unhappier in their current predicament than they were under Mr Break Even himself, Mike Ashley? We're football fans first and foremost. We all want our teams to succeed, so why would any supporter rather settle for mediocrity? And where have these all these moral dilemmas over where a clubs owners come from all of a sudden? Find me a nation on earth that hasn't committed some seriously atrocious acts in either their present or their past, I would imagine it is a pretty tough ask. Half of the Premier League clubs are owned by Americans, and some of the shit the CIA alone has pulled in the past 50 years should be enough to trigger peoples' emotional reflexes. Yet all the ire only ever seems to fall on those from the Middle east. Why is that I wonder? Speak for yourself. First and foremost I'm a human being and one with values. I'll assess any potential new owner in my own way and will at that point decide whether the business/club is one that I can still support. My loyalty cannot be taken for granted when it comes to the type of owner and where the money to buy the club came from. Interested to know how far these strong values would extend if Newcastle hypothetically offered us, say £50M for someone like Sorba Thomas? I mean, if their reputation disgusts you so much I can only deduce that you would be equally disgusted to do business with these people at all? Also, good luck finding ANY "clean" money in football. |
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Oct 28, 2022 15:47:28 GMT 1
Speak for yourself. First and foremost I'm a human being and one with values. I'll assess any potential new owner in my own way and will at that point decide whether the business/club is one that I can still support. My loyalty cannot be taken for granted when it comes to the type of owner and where the money to buy the club came from. Well I hope you're that diligent when buying groceries and household goods then? Boycott anything Chinese? Only buy Cypriot Delight, not Turkish? No dates or olives or such from the middle east? Two years ago I bought a new musical instrument. I made a conscious decision to avoid buying one manufactured in China. The choice was drastically reduced but in the end my £900 went into one made in Taiwan. It didn't change the world but it was my very small contribution. You do exactly what you want. And so will I. But don't lump me into this 'we are all Town fans and we'll do whatever it takes to get success' mentality. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 28, 2022 15:53:26 GMT 1
trying to think which countries where owners might come from would pass these morality tests.
So far its looking like Finland and Kiribati. Though there are still controversies over Kiribatis role in the coconut war of 1985.
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Post by dugnet on Oct 28, 2022 15:54:31 GMT 1
What chance PH being involved as a CEO for a consortium? Too much water flowed under the bridge? Or some unfinished business?
NB: Pure speculation on my part but perhaps not too fanciful.
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Post by mosher on Oct 28, 2022 15:59:54 GMT 1
Well I hope you're that diligent when buying groceries and household goods then? Boycott anything Chinese? Only buy Cypriot Delight, not Turkish? No dates or olives or such from the middle east? Two years ago I bought a new musical instrument. I made a conscious decision to avoid buying one manufactured in China. The choice was drastically reduced but in the end my £900 went into one made in Taiwan. It didn't change the world but it was my very small contribution. You do exactly what you want. And so will I. But don't lump me into this 'we are all Town fans and we'll do whatever it takes to get success' mentality. Hey, my reply to you was tongue in cheek, see the emoji? Mainly to highlight it's virtually impossible to 100% boycott goods from nefarious regimes, wasn't anything personal. I try and boycott Chinese goods, especially electronics, but the mp3 player I've just bought is Chinese, which wasn't mentioned in the write-up. If it was I'd have bought a different one. Bought some InstaHeat products last month; again came from China, but they're an American product created by a former jet engineer. I try and buy ethically produced clothing as well, but try buying a footy shirt that way - virtually impossible. The world is so intrinsically linked now, boycotting things because of country of origin is virtually a redundant premise! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 28, 2022 16:05:59 GMT 1
What chance PH being involved as a CEO for a consortium? Too much water flowed under the bridge? Or some unfinished business? NB: Pure speculation on my part but perhaps not too fanciful. I would say no chance. he mentioned when he was looking for a buyer last time ( when he became ill ) that there were interested parties but most wanted him to remain as CEO in place, which he didnt want to do. Think he's clearly had enough football club running. No, it'll be a clean break I think, other than he's still a fan and will still charge the club a minimal amount for the ground rent on canalside. |
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Post by mosher on Oct 28, 2022 16:07:40 GMT 1
What chance PH being involved as a CEO for a consortium? Too much water flowed under the bridge? Or some unfinished business? NB: Pure speculation on my part but perhaps not too fanciful. I would say no chance. he mentioned when he was looking for a buyer last time ( when he became ill ) that there were interested parties but most wanted him to remain as CEO in place, which he didnt want to do. Think he's clearly had enough football club running. No, it'll be a clean break I think, other than he's still a fan and will still charge the club a minimal amount for the ground rent on canalside.Shouldn't have mentioned that slapps, that's irrefutable proof of asset stripping |
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Post by ldotm on Oct 28, 2022 16:27:41 GMT 1
Where’s the option for Duncan Foster? As owner ? Yeah - I want him as either chairman or gaffer. |
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 28, 2022 16:37:17 GMT 1
What chance PH being involved as a CEO for a consortium? Too much water flowed under the bridge? Or some unfinished business? NB: Pure speculation on my part but perhaps not too fanciful. I would say no chance. he mentioned when he was looking for a buyer last time ( when he became ill ) that there were interested parties but most wanted him to remain as CEO in place, which he didnt want to do. Think he's clearly had enough football club running. No, it'll be a clean break I think, other than he's still a fan and will still charge the club a minimal amount for the ground rent on canalside. I think he was referring to Phil Hodgkinson! |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 28, 2022 16:49:32 GMT 1
trying to think which countries where owners might come from would pass these morality tests. So far its looking like Finland and Kiribati. Though there are still controversies over Kiribatis role in the coconut war of 1985. Morality is over rated. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 28, 2022 17:15:00 GMT 1
I would say no chance. he mentioned when he was looking for a buyer last time ( when he became ill ) that there were interested parties but most wanted him to remain as CEO in place, which he didnt want to do. Think he's clearly had enough football club running. No, it'll be a clean break I think, other than he's still a fan and will still charge the club a minimal amount for the ground rent on canalside. I think he was referring to Phil Hodgkinson! oh yeah! Need to go to specsavers!!  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 28, 2022 17:24:39 GMT 1
trying to think which countries where owners might come from would pass these morality tests. So far its looking like Finland and Kiribati. Though there are still controversies over Kiribatis role in the coconut war of 1985. Morality is over rated. This ties in with the World Cup thread. What right do we ( we , as in the liberal west ) have to impose our morals and attitudes on others around the world ? Its not too dissimilar to when we colonised various parts of the far flung world in the 16th-19th centuries and imposed our morals and attitudes on the indigenous people. Our Christian beliefs.. our laws.. our outrage at things that they would consider quite normal. Its pretty arrogant when you think about it. Id rather we concentrated on making sure the people actually in our countries observed our western morals and attitudes! |
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Post by Macduff on Oct 28, 2022 17:27:44 GMT 1
After watching his interview, if DB approves of the new owner/s, I'll be happy.
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 28, 2022 17:36:17 GMT 1
What chance PH being involved as a CEO for a consortium? Too much water flowed under the bridge? Or some unfinished business? NB: Pure speculation on my part but perhaps not too fanciful. Pretty fanciful, unless he's been living in the UAE for the last year. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Oct 28, 2022 17:45:18 GMT 1
fan ownership is a romantic but deluded notion. It only generally works to a point in the lower leagues. Two points a) What league do you think we'll be in next season? b) If we're running out of people willing to put multi thousands of pounds a week into their hobby (possibly run out) don't you think others will be? I think there will be a re-set of football finances outside the PL in the not so distant future. Clubs going bust & players wages falling as a result. At that point fan ownership will be a more feasible option. |
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Post by isitjustme on Oct 28, 2022 17:59:27 GMT 1
I’m always surprised when looking up Terry Austin and seeing that he doesn’t appear to be the disaster everyone, myself included, remembers. I suppose if we’d known Jon Newby or Chris Hay (to name but two off the top of my head) were to come, we may have appreciated him a bit more! We used to call him Tracy Austin (pig-tailed tennis player of the era for the younger readers)  I'll trump Terry Austin with Terry Eccles, now he was shit. I've just had a look and his stats show he scored 6 goals in 46 appearances for us. Always remember as a young'n attending the Town Supporters Club end of season player of the season awards gig. Went for a pee, only to find halfway through delivery, Terry Austin came and occupied the adjacent pisser. Was always surprised he obviously hit the target as there was no piss on the floor when he left !!! |
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Post by terrier10 on Oct 28, 2022 21:25:55 GMT 1
What chance PH being involved as a CEO for a consortium? Too much water flowed under the bridge? Or some unfinished business? NB: Pure speculation on my part but perhaps not too fanciful. Is that PH’s media arm of the empire? If it isn’t, it should be 😂😉 |
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Post by ram on Oct 29, 2022 10:05:28 GMT 1
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Post by pterrier on Oct 29, 2022 10:35:48 GMT 1
Feel the levels of hypocrisy in our society hilarious, could
Saudi owners be dodgy? Absolutely. Could British owners be dodgy? Absolutely. People forget the close links that our government has to the Saudi regime, we’ve taken billions from them and in return shipped them weapons of all descriptions for decades. In the world of business there’s so many connections that it’s hard to know who truly is ‘clean’.
The other thing I find amusing is the notion that a foreign owner wouldn’t ‘care’ about the club, well from what I’ve seen in clubs like Blackpool, Leeds, Ipswich etc is that British owners can destroy a club equally
But yes in fairness, I do understand the concerns. Imagine we have a foreign owner who comes in and invests a load… but the sting in the tail
Could be that it was all just a ‘loan’!!! what happens if they then want it back? Still own the training ground and haven’t secured the stadium with the PL money. On top of that they may then sell to a contact of theirs with little capital and want to take the parachute payments to repay their loans. Little investment would follow leaving us cash strapped and potentially bottom of the league with an inadequate squad and management team. On top of that In nearly 50m of debt…
Foreign owner, like most of the other top championship teams and near enough all the premier league teams? No thanks!
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Post by detox on Oct 29, 2022 11:35:38 GMT 1
Feel the levels of hypocrisy in our society hilarious, could Saudi owners be dodgy? Absolutely. Could British owners be dodgy? Absolutely. People forget the close links that our government has to the Saudi regime, we’ve taken billions from them and in return shipped them weapons of all descriptions for decades. In the world of business there’s so many connections that it’s hard to know who truly is ‘clean’. The other thing I find amusing is the notion that a foreign owner wouldn’t ‘care’ about the club, well from what I’ve seen in clubs like Blackpool, Leeds, Ipswich etc is that British owners can destroy a club equally But yes in fairness, I do understand the concerns. Imagine we have a foreign owner who comes in and invests a load… but the sting in the tail Could be that it was all just a ‘loan’!!! what happens if they then want it back? Still own the training ground and haven’t secured the stadium with the PL money. On top of that they may then sell to a contact of theirs with little capital and want to take the parachute payments to repay their loans. Little investment would follow leaving us cash strapped and potentially bottom of the league with an inadequate squad and management team. On top of that In nearly 50m of debt… Foreign owner, like most of the other top championship teams and near enough all the premier league teams? No thanks! Practically every person who wants to buy a football club must realise it's not a profitable business...so it's either an ego trip and you're happy to spaff away £m's , or you're bored and happy to spaff away £m's. When you look at Town, where the club doesn't own the training ground or the Stadium then the potential is even less..there's nothing to buy and nothing to sell. Add in the fact we have £30m in debts to the owner who despite 2 years in the PL, couldn't make the club solvent..
i was reading about Coventry City this morning..left Highfield RD for the Ricoh but then got scuppered and ended up playing their games at Northampton and Birmingham..now the lease holders and City's landlords, Wasps, have defaulted leaving the football club in dire straits and having to confirm to fans yesterday that todays game was on. City's owners, venture capitalists, are wanting rid now... Meanwhile Coventry are sounding out clubs to see if they can have an option to play their home games there..
Yoiu can see how so much can go wrong ..the ramifications for the club and the fans of bad deision making...manfully Mark Robins and his players are staying focused..for now.
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