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Oct 11, 2023 17:51:50 GMT 1
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Post by rockwall on Oct 11, 2023 17:51:50 GMT 1
Regarding the comment about one man owning the stadium. I’d wager out of the 92 league clubs, a large percentage of football grounds are owned by the individual who owns the club. There are a few exceptions where the stadium was sold by the club’s chairman to another of their companies to increase/fudge FFP figures. Can someone more knowledgeable please list the clubs NOT owned by the clubs owner? FFP will be interesting if KN uses his own money to buy the stadium for HTAFC. We will be hampered for another 3 years if he does this. I can only see that it will be bought for another Ltd company outside of HTAFC for it to not kill us on FFP going forwards. If he uses his own money, surely that is better as it won't be on club accounts? We wouldn't have to make up the 'loss'of money used to purchase it? |
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 11, 2023 17:56:38 GMT 1
Can somebody please explain to me the difference between town's owners owning the ground pre 1994 and why it would be such a catastrophe for someone to own the ground post 1994?
I fail to see the bed shitting significance between the two.
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Oct 11, 2023 18:03:24 GMT 1
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Post by rockwall on Oct 11, 2023 18:03:24 GMT 1
Can somebody please explain to me the difference between town's owners owning the ground pre 1994 and why it would be such a catastrophe for someone to own the ground post 1994? I fail to see the bed shitting significance between the two. Because its Nagel. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 18:04:50 GMT 1
Regarding the comment about one man owning the stadium. I’d wager out of the 92 league clubs, a large percentage of football grounds are owned by the individual who owns the club. There are a few exceptions where the stadium was sold by the club’s chairman to another of their companies to increase/fudge FFP figures. Can someone more knowledgeable please list the clubs NOT owned by the clubs owner? FFP will be interesting if KN uses his own money to buy the stadium for HTAFC. We will be hampered for another 3 years if he does this. I can only see that it will be bought for another Ltd company outside of HTAFC for it to not kill us on FFP going forwards. If the stadium is purchased it will be a separate company. Town & the Giants will still rent it but it will be able to generate income separately and things like catering can be looked at properly. Repair work and upgrades, toilets, etc, will improve match day experience but won’t affect Town’s books, unless the rent is ridiculous, which would be a dumb thing for the owner of both to do. Nagle is no fool. This may not be a short term success, financially, but it gives him a lot more control. |
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Post by King Neil on Oct 11, 2023 18:28:58 GMT 1
Can somebody please explain to me the difference between town's owners owning the ground pre 1994 and why it would be such a catastrophe for someone to own the ground post 1994? I fail to see the bed shitting significance between the two. It wouldn't be a catastrophe It's just a few paranoid peeps on here thinking bad stuff is always going to happen He already owns the club and could inflict severe damage now if he wished...the stadium has no other use as a commercial enterprise other than football so who could use it other than us...rule out Giants cos they Don't have a pot to piss in Far better owning your own home than renting/leasing....no brainer |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Oct 11, 2023 18:32:58 GMT 1
What if the one man who bought the stadium one day decided to turn round and charge us £5m a season to use the stadium? How would you feel about that? Genuine question, haven’t read through this whole thread so apologies if I’ve missed it, is there history of this happening with owners and stadiums? Seems quite an extreme example to use in your argument if not. I would expect that the club would own the stadium rather than Nagle as an individual anyway. Like what he’s been doing with the memorabilia (very different I know) and giving it back to the club. Just cannot see him holding the club to ransom. Scunthorpe are currently/were very recently locked out of thier stadium by the owner. Oxford are building a brand new stadium as they have fallen out with the owner of the current stadium. Coventry had recent 1amissues and have had to play elsewhere. Leeds rent thier stadium from a former owner so will also be interesting to see what happens there in the long term as I know many fans aren't happy with the set up. There will be others historically too, Brighton had to move about a bit which I think was down to ownership issues. The stadium is a massive 'thing' for a football club and should remained owned by it wherever possible. This isnt something I have against Nagle, whoever was in charge id be saying the same. Individuals owning a stadium is all well and good, but if/when the relationship breaks down an individual holds a powerful asset that can be used to hold a club to ransom at any point in the future. I'd be wary of anyone buying it and keeping it in thier own name. |
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Oct 11, 2023 18:37:55 GMT 1
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 11, 2023 18:37:55 GMT 1
Can somebody please explain to me the difference between town's owners owning the ground pre 1994 and why it would be such a catastrophe for someone to own the ground post 1994? I fail to see the bed shitting significance between the two. Town's owners didn't own the ground before 1994. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 11, 2023 18:38:47 GMT 1
Can somebody please explain to me the difference between town's owners owning the ground pre 1994 and why it would be such a catastrophe for someone to own the ground post 1994? I fail to see the bed shitting significance between the two. Because its Nagel. Fuck me, does Kim Jung Il know about you in case he's looking for a new head of PR ? |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 11, 2023 18:40:05 GMT 1
Can somebody please explain to me the difference between town's owners owning the ground pre 1994 and why it would be such a catastrophe for someone to own the ground post 1994? I fail to see the bed shitting significance between the two. It wouldn't be a catastrophe It's just a few paranoid peeps on here thinking bad stuff is always going to happen He already owns the club and could inflict severe damage now if he wished...the stadium has no other use as a commercial enterprise other than football so who could use it other than us...rule out Giants cos they Don't have a pot to piss in Far better owning your own home than renting/leasing....no brainer As long as you're not complaining when the club are liable for ALL the liabilities, which are generally millions of pounds every single year. No-one is paranoid. Just because something probably won't happen, it doesn't mean it definitely won't. Imagine having that attitude in life? |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 11, 2023 18:43:40 GMT 1
And we spent the first 70 years owning our own stadium...ah Leeds Road...the home of my dreams You would get the whole 25k in the east terrace Just because of the warnock thing he's now being painted as the pantomime villain Some won't be happy unless it is Warnock buying it and calling it the Neil Warnock stadium. Surely Nagel buying it is the best option? Higher income for the club any time the stadium is used for anything. That's even events such as weddings, meet and greet etc. Yes, I see the sticky point when it comes to selling it. But if KDSL go bust, someone would have to buy it anyway. We could get well and truely fucked over that way I'd rather HTAFC own it than still have to lease/rent or whatever they do now. No-one has even mentioned Warnock apart from you 😂 |
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 11, 2023 18:45:01 GMT 1
Can somebody please explain to me the difference between town's owners owning the ground pre 1994 and why it would be such a catastrophe for someone to own the ground post 1994? I fail to see the bed shitting significance between the two. Town's owners didn't own the ground before 1994. Erm I'm pretty sure they did but happy to be corrected. Also just because something could happen doesn't mean it will either. Leap of faith. All I see is a guy who wants to jump in feet first and embrace everything about the club from its history (memorabilia) to the fans (changes to match day experience) to the community (charity work) to the future of the club (ability to generate extra income) no way do I see anything at all to be worried about. Quite the opposite in fact. How would you feel if Kev listened to you and decided to back off then Ken Davy picked up the entire thing with 100% shares. Shudder |
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Oct 11, 2023 18:48:25 GMT 1
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 11, 2023 18:48:25 GMT 1
Town's owners didn't own the ground before 1994. Erm I'm pretty sure they did but happy to be corrected. Also just because something could happen doesn't mean it will either. Leap of faith. All I see is a guy who wants to jump in feet first and embrace everything about the club from its history (memorabilia) to the fans (changes to match day experience) to the community (charity work) to the future of the club (ability to generate extra income) no way do I see anything at all to be worried about. Quite the opposite in fact. How would you feel if Kev listened to you and decided to back off then Ken Davy picked up the entire thing with 100% shares. Shudder No they didn't. |
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Oct 11, 2023 18:54:07 GMT 1
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Post by King Neil on Oct 11, 2023 18:54:07 GMT 1
It wouldn't be a catastrophe It's just a few paranoid peeps on here thinking bad stuff is always going to happen He already owns the club and could inflict severe damage now if he wished...the stadium has no other use as a commercial enterprise other than football so who could use it other than us...rule out Giants cos they Don't have a pot to piss in Far better owning your own home than renting/leasing....no brainer As long as you're not complaining when the club are liable for ALL the liabilities, which are generally millions of pounds every single year. No-one is paranoid. Just because something probably won't happen, it doesn't mean it definitely won't. Imagine having that attitude in life? Like already mentioned...you have nothing positive to say about anything All doom and gloom |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 11, 2023 18:58:09 GMT 1
As long as you're not complaining when the club are liable for ALL the liabilities, which are generally millions of pounds every single year. No-one is paranoid. Just because something probably won't happen, it doesn't mean it definitely won't. Imagine having that attitude in life? Like already mentioned...you have nothing positive to say about anything All doom and gloom Why would I waste any positivity on you? 😂 If Nagle gets the ground and puts it in trust, then I'll applaud him. |
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Oct 11, 2023 18:58:12 GMT 1
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 11, 2023 18:58:12 GMT 1
Town's owners didn't own the ground before 1994. Erm I'm pretty sure they did but happy to be corrected. Also just because something could happen doesn't mean it will either. Leap of faith. All I see is a guy who wants to jump in feet first and embrace everything about the club from its history (memorabilia) to the fans (changes to match day experience) to the community (charity work) to the future of the club (ability to generate extra income) no way do I see anything at all to be worried about. Quite the opposite in fact. How would you feel if Kev listened to you and decided to back off then Ken Davy picked up the entire thing with 100% shares. Shudder It was always a 40-40-20 ownership until we went into administration, Davy then put our shares into his 'sporting umbrella' until Hoyle bought them back. 30 years later it's still a decent stadium. Nagle will be picking up a bargain tbf. |
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Oct 11, 2023 18:59:39 GMT 1
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Post by King Neil on Oct 11, 2023 18:59:39 GMT 1
Like already mentioned...you have nothing positive to say about anything All doom and gloom Why would I waste any positivity on you? 😂 If Nagle gets the ground and puts it in trust, then I'll applaud him. Your not positive with anyone... |
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 11, 2023 19:01:38 GMT 1
Town's owners didn't own the ground before 1994. Erm I'm pretty sure they did but happy to be corrected. Also just because something could happen doesn't mean it will either. Leap of faith. All I see is a guy who wants to jump in feet first and embrace everything about the club from its history (memorabilia) to the fans (changes to match day experience) to the community (charity work) to the future of the club (ability to generate extra income) no way do I see anything at all to be worried about. Quite the opposite in fact. How would you feel if Kev listened to you and decided to back off then Ken Davy picked up the entire thing with 100% shares. Shudder So what if Kev keeled over and popped his clogs after buying the ground under a different company ( no-one lives forever). Whoever inherits his assets may not give a shiny shite about football. They may be solely interested in getting as much as possible for that piece of land ‘over there’ that Ol Kev strangely spent money on. |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 11, 2023 19:06:25 GMT 1
Why would I waste any positivity on you? 😂 If Nagle gets the ground and puts it in trust, then I'll applaud him. Your not positive with anyone... Like I said, why would I waste it on you? People like you and others on this board choose to focus on the negatives. The old Town players whose stories I've got out there, or old teammates that I've put back in touch after 50 years, or the ones I've asked the club to invite to games having never been invited back in decades, or the families of late players whose funerals I've been to and whose families I've visited would laugh at you if you said to them that I'm not positive with anyone and that I'm all doom and gloom. As I've said, I wouldn't waste it on you. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 11, 2023 19:06:54 GMT 1
Why would I waste any positivity on you? 😂 If Nagle gets the ground and puts it in trust, then I'll applaud him. Your not positive with anyone... WaIt aNd seE |
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Oct 11, 2023 19:08:20 GMT 1
Post by jonny5 on Oct 11, 2023 19:08:20 GMT 1
FFP will be interesting if KN uses his own money to buy the stadium for HTAFC. We will be hampered for another 3 years if he does this. I can only see that it will be bought for another Ltd company outside of HTAFC for it to not kill us on FFP going forwards. FFP doesn't relate to capital spending, or spending on the Academy. Fair enough, I’m clearly not an FFP expert. Sounds like we should be okay then. |
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Oct 11, 2023 19:09:14 GMT 1
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Post by King Neil on Oct 11, 2023 19:09:14 GMT 1
Your not positive with anyone... Like I said, why would I waste it on you? People like you and others on this board choose to focus on the negatives. The old Town players whose stories I've got out there, or old teammates that I've put back in touch after 50 years, or the ones I've asked the club to invite to games having never been invited back in decades, or the families of late players whose funerals I've been to and whose families I've visited would laugh at you if you said to them that I'm not positive with anyone and that I'm all doom and gloom. As I've said, I wouldn't waste it on you. Where's my violin |
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Oct 11, 2023 19:12:20 GMT 1
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 11, 2023 19:12:20 GMT 1
Like I said, why would I waste it on you? People like you and others on this board choose to focus on the negatives. The old Town players whose stories I've got out there, or old teammates that I've put back in touch after 50 years, or the ones I've asked the club to invite to games having never been invited back in decades, or the families of late players whose funerals I've been to and whose families I've visited would laugh at you if you said to them that I'm not positive with anyone and that I'm all doom and gloom. As I've said, I wouldn't waste it on you. Where's my violin It's always people that are unhappy themselves that have to accuse others of being miserable. Is there anything you want to share with us, Donny? |
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Oct 11, 2023 19:15:57 GMT 1
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Post by King Neil on Oct 11, 2023 19:15:57 GMT 1
It's always people that are unhappy themselves that have to accuse others of being miserable. Is there anything you want to share with us, Donny? I'm happy with kn wanting ownership of the ground...all good here I was also happy with the point on Saturday |
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 11, 2023 19:18:39 GMT 1
Did Dean Hoyle follow through with his promise to put Town's share of the stadium shares into trust, back in the day?
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Oct 11, 2023 19:19:03 GMT 1
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 11, 2023 19:19:03 GMT 1
It's always people that are unhappy themselves that have to accuse others of being miserable. Is there anything you want to share with us, Donny? I'm happy with kn wanting ownership of the ground...all good here I was also happy with the point on Saturday Yes, you've rammed it down our throats all week. We know! Glad you've got over your breakdown the other week. I was genuinely concerned. |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 11, 2023 19:19:18 GMT 1
Did Dean Hoyle follow through with his promise to put Town's share of the stadium shares into trust, back in the day? He didn't. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 11, 2023 19:44:05 GMT 1
The Kirklees/McAlpine/Galpharm/John Smith's stadium was technically the first purpose built state of the art, all seat stadium built from scratch in England after the Taylor report. 30 years later it still looks modern. It needs a little TLC, but compared to stadiums like Hillsborough it's in good shape.
It's a decent stadium to buy if it's going to get the required investment.
The area around the stadium has massive potential aswell.
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Oct 11, 2023 20:09:43 GMT 1
The Kirklees/McAlpine/Galpharm/John Smith's stadium was technically the first purpose built state of the art, all seat stadium built from scratch in England after the Taylor report. 30 years later it still looks modern. It needs a little TLC, but compared to stadiums like Hillsborough it's in good shape. It's a decent stadium to buy if it's going to get the required investment. The area around the stadium has massive potential aswell Which is one of the reasons that the club should own it. If its developed correctly and used right it could bring in a lot of money for the club.. If its developed by A.N.Other then its A.N.Other which benifits. Nagle talked about the club being run sustainably. To do this requires income to be increased massively so he may see the Stadium as a good way to do this, the stadium and it's surrounding areas could be redeveloped and utalised far better than it is at present. Obviously the Club is unlikey to be in a position to finance a payment for but the Stadium at this time, so the owner may have to use personal funds to do and have them sit on the accounts as debt until the money is paid back. That would bring it's own risks of course, but at least the stadium would be 'ours' |
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Oct 11, 2023 20:09:58 GMT 1
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Post by rockwall on Oct 11, 2023 20:09:58 GMT 1
Some won't be happy unless it is Warnock buying it and calling it the Neil Warnock stadium. Surely Nagel buying it is the best option? Higher income for the club any time the stadium is used for anything. That's even events such as weddings, meet and greet etc. Yes, I see the sticky point when it comes to selling it. But if KDSL go bust, someone would have to buy it anyway. We could get well and truely fucked over that way I'd rather HTAFC own it than still have to lease/rent or whatever they do now. No-one has even mentioned Warnock apart from you 😂 It was more tongue in cheek. It just seems right now every single decision is bringing negative vibes from a lot of fans. Has your mute button failed 😉? I actually have no idea how ownerships of stadiums work. But surely it being owned by the owner (whoever it is at the time) is better for the football club. |
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 11, 2023 20:11:13 GMT 1
Can someone genuinely clarify who owned the old Leeds Road ground
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