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Post by htafcokay on Oct 11, 2023 10:29:56 GMT 1
If Kevin Nagle was able to buy the stadium he would own the club and the stadium. Should he in the future decide to sell the club but keep the stadium,there would be NO takers for that deal.Only an idiot would buy a club when someone else owned the stadium. IMO you'd need to be an idiot NOT to worry about one man owning the stadium. KN will hopefully turn out to be brilliant for this town and club but you never, ever know what's around the corner. Our last owners priorities changed when he developed a terrible disease that almost killed him. Ruberys priorities changed due to divorce and probably issues around the tech boom. So far the jury is well and truly out on the football side, so already some slight concerns there. It should be very easy to protect the club though, the council just needs to make sure the lease is written such that the sporting clubs always have access and at a reasonable rent and that they can never be separated. If the council is to remain freeholder this may not be a bad thing providing it's on a peppercorn rent basis which presumably it is at the moment. That would or should give even more protection. Looking forward to hearing more detail on the plans. I do agree, but just a correction about Rubery. He wasn't getting divorced, he just bottled it when he realised how much it was costing. He was still with his wife until she died a few years ago. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Oct 11, 2023 11:04:04 GMT 1
It's ok saying you don't want the stadium owned by HTFC or one man just in case some shyster ends up fucking us somewhere down the line, but nobody seems to be coming up with a viable alternative?
And status quo is clearly not a viable alternative either. Kirklees are on the verge of bankruptcy, KSDL don't have a pot to piss in either, the Giants contribute next to nothing and the stadium is in need of repairs and modernisation, none of which is getting done - unless Town just foot the bill for everything, as we have done for the last few years, on an asset we dont fully control. I think it's fair to say it hasn't been looked after properly and has seen very little improvement in its nigh on 30 years.
I know it seems to be the pessimist Town fan way but maybe for once we could look at the potential upsides rather than spend all our time worrying about what 'could' happen at some point?
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Post by royrace on Oct 11, 2023 11:12:26 GMT 1
You calling me an idiot Roy? Lol no sorry it was a figure of speech! I guess what I was saying is that the council would be naive not to insert such clauses imo especially based on what happened with Coventry and others. You have to protect against worst case scenarios. |
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Post by King Neil on Oct 11, 2023 11:22:41 GMT 1
It's ok saying you don't want the stadium owned by HTFC or one man just in case some shyster ends up fucking us somewhere down the line, but nobody seems to be coming up with a viable alternative? And status quo is clearly not a viable alternative either. Kirklees are on the verge of bankruptcy, KSDL don't have a pot to piss in either, the Giants contribute next to nothing and the stadium is in need of repairs and modernisation, none of which is getting done - unless Town just foot the bill for everything, as we have done for the last few years, on an asset we dont fully control. I think it's fair to say it hasn't been looked after properly and has seen very little improvement in its nigh on 30 years. I know it seems to be the pessimist Town fan way but maybe for once we could look at the potential upsides rather than spend all our time worrying about what 'could' happen at some point? The Giants just want something for nothing...we are not their carers And I haven't read anywhere that he would want personal ownership of the ground...like the medals it will more than likely be for htafc which is a big win It's not up to us to fund all the repairs and not own the land it's built on while giving the Giants a free ride |
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Post by Sio on Oct 11, 2023 11:36:23 GMT 1
It's ok saying you don't want the stadium owned by HTFC or one man just in case some shyster ends up fucking us somewhere down the line, but nobody seems to be coming up with a viable alternative?And status quo is clearly not a viable alternative either. Kirklees are on the verge of bankruptcy, KSDL don't have a pot to piss in either, the Giants contribute next to nothing and the stadium is in need of repairs and modernisation, none of which is getting done - unless Town just foot the bill for everything, as we have done for the last few years, on an asset we dont fully control. I think it's fair to say it hasn't been looked after properly and has seen very little improvement in its nigh on 30 years. I know it seems to be the pessimist Town fan way but maybe for once we could look at the potential upsides rather than spend all our time worrying about what 'could' happen at some point? Exactly this. We've been owned by a Town fan with reasonable wealth in football terms for 15 years and even he didn't get anywhere with the ground - whether through lack of interest, effort, or success with it. Essentially I am not sure we're in a place to pick and choose, as the alternative is the ground goes further into disrepair over the next ten years. |
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Post by benhomly on Oct 11, 2023 11:38:09 GMT 1
If Kevin Nagle was able to buy the stadium he would own the club and the stadium. Should he in the future decide to sell the club but keep the stadium,there would be NO takers for that deal.Only an idiot would buy a club when someone else owned the stadium. IMO you'd need to be an idiot NOT to worry about one man owning the stadium. KN will hopefully turn out to be brilliant for this town and club but you never, ever know what's around the corner. Our last owners priorities changed when he developed a terrible disease that almost killed him. Ruberys priorities changed due to divorce and probably issues around the tech boom. So far the jury is well and truly out on the football side, so already some slight concerns there. It should be very easy to protect the club though, the council just needs to make sure the lease is written such that the sporting clubs always have access and at a reasonable rent and that they can never be separated. If the council is to remain freeholder this may not be a bad thing providing it's on a peppercorn rent basis which presumably it is at the moment. That would or should give even more protection. Looking forward to hearing more detail on the plans. Bit extreme. At the end of the day supporting Town is what most of us do for fun. I'd be quite happy if someone gives us a Portsmouth for example. In other words 8 or 9 seasons in the top flight with an FA Cup final victory thrown in, with the odd foray into Europe even. I'd snap their hands off. If that then meant 10 penniless seasons back in the bottom 2 divisions because we've got stadium ownership problems I'd still take it. If Kev is the man to do that for us then great even if it all ends in disappointment somewhere down the line. Which it will anyway because there's no room for small/medium sized clubs at the top table long term anyway. That's got to be better than fighting relegation season after season surely. I know there's plenty on here who are happy with that but I'm just bored to tears with it now. |
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Post by detox on Oct 11, 2023 11:40:18 GMT 1
This is more like it! Was never a supporter of HD ONE project. This makes much more sense and seems a realistic success. We already have transport links in the town centre, it's only a short walk to the stadium, there's already footfall in town (massively declined in the last few years) there's land and buildings aplenty going spare especially on the walk down to the ground. The town centre needs a huge facelift and more reasons to draw people into the town. HD ONE I thought HD ONE seemed like they were going to be building a mini town centre/ entertainment village that would further detract from Town, be isolated down by the ground and quickly fail. Okay building a hotel, bars, bowling alleys and saying it's going to create jobs but it's not an income that's going to stimulate significant growth back into the local economy. We need a mix of different industries. Huddersfield is incomparable to Leeds, Manchester but if you walk round there during a late afternoon, you'll see workers out in bars, restaurants, shops after work. In Huddersfield hardly anyone works in the town centre but retail staff, traffic wardens and beggars. Hopefully this will make Town busier and not the ghost town that it currently is. It can only be good that Town get involved in this sort of project..KN is bringing new thinking and experience and a level dynamism that was sadly lacking. Hope they start on the golf driving range though....(I know I've said this before..)  |
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Post by ritchie on Oct 11, 2023 11:52:25 GMT 1
If the argument is it's 'safer' under the current arrangement, than under Nagle, who might sell the club to a bad owner, could that bad owner not just try buy it from the current arrangement (if Nagle left as is) when they come in?
Ideally Nagle buys it and puts it in trust/offers favourable lease terms but not sure how realistic that is?
I think we have to trust Nagle here. He might have shown naivety with twitter/transfers/warnock etc but I strongly beleive his heart is in the right place. I dont feel he's got involved to 'flip' the club/gamble on making it big and selling us off, he seems to be doing it on the whole for personal reasons (enjoyment). unless he's a fantasic actor, I see it as something he takes pride from and perhaps even wants a legacy.
It's not some hedge fund situation where it's all about cash. I trust he will care and do his best for htafc and thats all we can ask in these days of football ownership
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Post by royrace on Oct 11, 2023 11:56:17 GMT 1
IMO you'd need to be an idiot NOT to worry about one man owning the stadium. KN will hopefully turn out to be brilliant for this town and club but you never, ever know what's around the corner. Our last owners priorities changed when he developed a terrible disease that almost killed him. Ruberys priorities changed due to divorce and probably issues around the tech boom. So far the jury is well and truly out on the football side, so already some slight concerns there. It should be very easy to protect the club though, the council just needs to make sure the lease is written such that the sporting clubs always have access and at a reasonable rent and that they can never be separated. If the council is to remain freeholder this may not be a bad thing providing it's on a peppercorn rent basis which presumably it is at the moment. That would or should give even more protection. Looking forward to hearing more detail on the plans. Bit extreme. At the end of the day supporting Town is what most of us do for fun. I'd be quite happy if someone gives us a Portsmouth for example. In other words 8 or 9 seasons in the top flight with an FA Cup final victory thrown in, with the odd foray into Europe even. I'd snap their hands off. If that then meant 10 penniless seasons back in the bottom 2 divisions because we've got stadium ownership problems I'd still take it. If Kev is the man to do that for us then great even if it all ends in disappointment somewhere down the line. Which it will anyway because there's no room for small/medium sized clubs at the top table long term anyway. That's got to be better than fighting relegation season after season surely. I know there's plenty on here who are happy with that but I'm just bored to tears with it now. Not extreme, just common sense, I'm sure the council will make sure the club is protected going forward though. I'd be worried if the council didn't take steps to protect the club but I'm sure it will, therefore, if that happens, there's nowt to worry about with one man owning the club/stadium  |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 11, 2023 12:39:57 GMT 1
If the argument is it's 'safer' under the current arrangement, than under Nagle, who might sell the club to a bad owner, could that bad owner not just try buy it from the current arrangement (if Nagle left as is) when they come in? Ideally Nagle buys it and puts it in trust/offers favourable lease terms but not sure how realistic that is? I think we have to trust Nagle here. He might have shown naivety with twitter/transfers/warnock etc but I strongly beleive his heart is in the right place. I dont feel he's got involved to 'flip' the club/gamble on making it big and selling us off, he seems to be doing it on the whole for personal reasons (enjoyment). unless he's a fantasic actor, I see it as something he takes pride from and perhaps even wants a legacy. It's not some hedge fund situation where it's all about cash. I trust he will care and do his best for htafc and thats all we can ask in these days of football ownership It must be enjoyment then, after watching the first couple of those videos he's no fantastic actor 😉😁 |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Oct 11, 2023 12:45:11 GMT 1
If Kevin Nagle was able to buy the stadium he would own the club and the stadium. Should he in the future decide to sell the club but keep the stadium,there would be NO takers for that deal.Only an idiot would buy a club when someone else owned the stadium. IMO you'd need to be an idiot NOT to worry about one man owning the stadium. KN will hopefully turn out to be brilliant for this town and club but you never, ever know what's around the corner. Our last owners priorities changed when he developed a terrible disease that almost killed him. Ruberys priorities changed due to divorce and probably issues around the tech boom. So far the jury is well and truly out on the football side, so already some slight concerns there. It should be very easy to protect the club though, the council just needs to make sure the lease is written such that the sporting clubs always have access and at a reasonable rent and that they can never be separated. If the council is to remain freeholder this may not be a bad thing providing it's on a peppercorn rent basis which presumably it is at the moment. That would or should give even more protection. Looking forward to hearing more detail on the plans. Regarding the comment about one man owning the stadium. I’d wager out of the 92 league clubs, a large percentage of football grounds are owned by the individual who owns the club. There are a few exceptions where the stadium was sold by the club’s chairman to another of their companies to increase/fudge FFP figures. Can someone more knowledgeable please list the clubs NOT owned by the clubs owner? |
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Post by Drew Peacock on Oct 11, 2023 13:26:49 GMT 1
IMO you'd need to be an idiot NOT to worry about one man owning the stadium. KN will hopefully turn out to be brilliant for this town and club but you never, ever know what's around the corner. Our last owners priorities changed when he developed a terrible disease that almost killed him. Ruberys priorities changed due to divorce and probably issues around the tech boom. So far the jury is well and truly out on the football side, so already some slight concerns there. It should be very easy to protect the club though, the council just needs to make sure the lease is written such that the sporting clubs always have access and at a reasonable rent and that they can never be separated. If the council is to remain freeholder this may not be a bad thing providing it's on a peppercorn rent basis which presumably it is at the moment. That would or should give even more protection. Looking forward to hearing more detail on the plans. Regarding the comment about one man owning the stadium. I’d wager out of the 92 league clubs, a large percentage of football grounds are owned by the individual who owns the club. There are a few exceptions where the stadium was sold by the club’s chairman to another of their companies to increase/fudge FFP figures. Can someone more knowledgeable please list the clubs NOT owned by the clubs owner? I think Mike Ashley bought the Coventry city stadium didn't he, pipping their new owner to the purchase? |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Oct 11, 2023 13:35:50 GMT 1
Regarding the comment about one man owning the stadium. I’d wager out of the 92 league clubs, a large percentage of football grounds are owned by the individual who owns the club. There are a few exceptions where the stadium was sold by the club’s chairman to another of their companies to increase/fudge FFP figures. Can someone more knowledgeable please list the clubs NOT owned by the clubs owner? I think Mike Ashley bought the Coventry city stadium didn't he, pipping their new owner to the purchase? Yes, and was also pointed out the big skip is still owned by a previous owner. The point I’m trying to make is that of the whole 92, the vast majority of stadiums are all part and parcel of the clubs. Yet we have an owner who is trying to bring the ownership of the stadium back under control of the club and it is being “automatically” viewed as a terrible thing. |
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Post by steo1986 on Oct 11, 2023 13:36:14 GMT 1
It's ok saying you don't want the stadium owned by HTFC or one man just in case some shyster ends up fucking us somewhere down the line, but nobody seems to be coming up with a viable alternative? And status quo is clearly not a viable alternative either. Kirklees are on the verge of bankruptcy, KSDL don't have a pot to piss in either, the Giants contribute next to nothing and the stadium is in need of repairs and modernisation, none of which is getting done - unless Town just foot the bill for everything, as we have done for the last few years, on an asset we dont fully control. I think it's fair to say it hasn't been looked after properly and has seen very little improvement in its nigh on 30 years. I know it seems to be the pessimist Town fan way but maybe for once we could look at the potential upsides rather than spend all our time worrying about what 'could' happen at some point? You are so right in what you say, you are never going to know what will happen down the line it will be what it is either 10 or 20 years down the line but lets concentrate on the here and now. Yes Kirklees are on the verge of bankruptcy they do fuck all so does KSDL none of them are interested but they like to mouth off and control everything and yes i agree also its defiantly not been looked after thats a fact!!! Nagle and co clearly want to invest in the stadium it need a big refurbishment from painting the outside and inside, Roof Repairs, toilets redoing, to even getting it up to date with having new turnstiles maybe something where it self scans save on paying people to scan you're card and save paying them people that we don't really need and bring it up to todays standards of technology wise because the JSS is in the past and we need it in the future now. The more its getting left the more its going to cost they say 10 million to get it up to standard each year this number is going to go up if nothing gets down, you want it to to host gigs and events well it needs to be updated in my opinion. Nagle Cares, Kriklees & KSDL dont !!! |
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Post by King Neil on Oct 11, 2023 13:47:39 GMT 1
I think Mike Ashley bought the Coventry city stadium didn't he, pipping their new owner to the purchase? Yes, and was also pointed out the big skip is still owned by a previous owner. The point I’m trying to make is that of the whole 92, the vast majority of stadiums are all part and parcel of the clubs. Yet we have an owner who is trying to bring the ownership of the stadium back under control of the club and it is being “automatically” viewed as a terrible thing. And we spent the first 70 years owning our own stadium...ah Leeds Road...the home of my dreams You would get the whole 25k in the east terrace Just because of the warnock thing he's now being painted as the pantomime villain |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 11, 2023 13:59:48 GMT 1
Yes, and was also pointed out the big skip is still owned by a previous owner. The point I’m trying to make is that of the whole 92, the vast majority of stadiums are all part and parcel of the clubs. Yet we have an owner who is trying to bring the ownership of the stadium back under control of the club and it is being “automatically” viewed as a terrible thing. You would get the whole 25k in the east terrace Just because of the warnock thing he's now being painted as the pantomime villain Did we though? As far as I'm aware, we had a lease. And you were literally going crazy about "the Warnock thing" two weeks ago. |
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Post by araucaria on Oct 11, 2023 14:00:46 GMT 1
Read my recent contribution and explain to me how we got from something that was so positive in the 1990s to the position you describe. Local councils were funded by central government to the tune of £34bn a year in 2010 and now it's £8bn. Increased Council Tax has helped to mitigate the loss of government support and has kept councils' revenue budgets at about half of what they were in 2010. They have no revenue (as opposed to capital) spending left to waste. Anyone who has any understanding of how local government is financed realises who the villains of the piece are - this government, which is certainly more corrupt and negligent than Kirklees Council could ever be. Is it still the case that C Govt still takes all the receipts from business rates etc? It used to pool all local authorities' business rates and then re-distribute them via a formula. The current government changed the system to allow local authorities to keep 50% of their rates and the rest is re-distributed. I'm amazed that they didn't let them keep 100% - it would have been very similar to the football league letting clubs keep all the proceeds from home matches, which greatly disadvantaged the smaller clubs. In this context Kirklees is a smaller club; our NNDRs are a fraction of councils like Westminster and Kensington and Chelsea. They win, we lose, another change that Sunak could have bragged about in Tunbridge Wells. |
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Post by araucaria on Oct 11, 2023 14:15:12 GMT 1
I have no issues with one man owning the stadium My concern is how kirklees council managed to shaft us so badly back in 92 If I was kev I wouldn't take control of the stadium without the freehold of the land...better to let ksdl go bust and get it all anyway at a reduced cost Kirklees didn't shaft anybody in 1992. Town sold their ground and the land surrounding it for £4m (I've read £10m earlier in this thread and that wasn't the case). Apart from about £1m that Town contributed to the cost of the 4th stand and perhaps a similar amount from the Council, the rest all came from grants, so we got a gleaming new community-owned stadium that no-one could take away from us and 'we' contributed less than 20% of the cost of it. I should have written the sentence in an earlier post about repaying the grants in the event of the stadium being sold in block capitals, because it's a fairly significant point that needs to be addressed. |
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Post by King Neil on Oct 11, 2023 14:17:43 GMT 1
And we spent the first 70 years owning our own stadium...ah Leeds Road...the home of my dreams You would get the whole 25k in the east terrace Just because of the warnock thing he's now being painted as the pantomime villain Did we though? As far as I'm aware, we had a lease. And you were literally going crazy about "the Warnock thing" two weeks ago. I was indeed...and I still don't agree with it Just because I'm not aligned with him on that decision should mean I'm not aligned with him on others... I didn't agree with Dean signing Fotheringham,,but still think he's a great bloke...and tbh wish he still had the club |
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Post by araucaria on Oct 11, 2023 14:30:13 GMT 1
huddersfieldhub.co.uk/how-to-solve-a-problem-like-the-john-smiths-stadium-sir-john-harman/Written last year; a clear outlining of the current problems and a fair representation of the reasons that things were done as they were in the 1990s (including the key point that other clubs envied us for keeping 'asset liabilities completely separated from playing costs', so that no-one could take the Stadium away from us as a community). Who's going to be the first to write 'what the fuck would John Harman know about it'?
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 11, 2023 14:31:26 GMT 1
It's ok saying you don't want the stadium owned by HTFC or one man just in case some shyster ends up fucking us somewhere down the line, but nobody seems to be coming up with a viable alternative? And status quo is clearly not a viable alternative either. Kirklees are on the verge of bankruptcy, KSDL don't have a pot to piss in either, the Giants contribute next to nothing and the stadium is in need of repairs and modernisation, none of which is getting done - unless Town just foot the bill for everything, as we have done for the last few years, on an asset we dont fully control. I think it's fair to say it hasn't been looked after properly and has seen very little improvement in its nigh on 30 years. I know it seems to be the pessimist Town fan way but maybe for once we could look at the potential upsides rather than spend all our time worrying about what 'could' happen at some point? You are so right in what you say, you are never going to know what will happen down the line it will be what it is either 10 or 20 years down the line but lets concentrate on the here and now. Yes Kirklees are on the verge of bankruptcy they do fuck all so does KSDL none of them are interested but they like to mouth off and control everything and yes i agree also its defiantly not been looked after thats a fact!!! Nagle and co clearly want to invest in the stadium it need a big refurbishment from painting the outside and inside, Roof Repairs, toilets redoing, to even getting it up to date with having new turnstiles maybe something where it self scans save on paying people to scan you're card and save paying them people that we don't really need and bring it up to todays standards of technology wise because the JSS is in the past and we need it in the future now. The more its getting left the more its going to cost they say 10 million to get it up to standard each year this number is going to go up if nothing gets down, you want it to to host gigs and events well it needs to be updated in my opinion. Nagle Cares, Kriklees & KSDL dont !!! I'll let my daughter know you want her to lose her job. |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 11, 2023 14:36:58 GMT 1
Did we though? As far as I'm aware, we had a lease. And you were literally going crazy about "the Warnock thing" two weeks ago. I was indeed...and I still don't agree with it Just because I'm not aligned with him on that decision should mean I'm not aligned with him on others... I didn't agree with Dean signing Fotheringham,,but still think he's a great bloke...and tbh wish he still had the club Heed your own words, you can't just pick out the bits you like, you either back him fully or you don't. |
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Post by King Neil on Oct 11, 2023 14:42:28 GMT 1
I was indeed...and I still don't agree with it Just because I'm not aligned with him on that decision should mean I'm not aligned with him on others... I didn't agree with Dean signing Fotheringham,,but still think he's a great bloke...and tbh wish he still had the club Heed your own words, you can't just pick out the bits you like, you either back him fully or you don't. OK then...I back him 👍 |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 11, 2023 14:56:34 GMT 1
huddersfieldhub.co.uk/how-to-solve-a-problem-like-the-john-smiths-stadium-sir-john-harman/Written last year; a clear outlining of the current problems and a fair representation of the reasons that things were done as they were in the 1990s (including the key point that other clubs envied us for keeping 'asset liabilities completely separated from playing costs', so that no-one could take the Stadium away from us as a community). Who's going to be the first to write 'what the fuck would John Harman know about it'? John once told me that Hoyle had looked into giving the Giants a few million to build their own ground. However, it would have cost too much and it didn't happen. |
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 11, 2023 16:21:25 GMT 1
huddersfieldhub.co.uk/how-to-solve-a-problem-like-the-john-smiths-stadium-sir-john-harman/Written last year; a clear outlining of the current problems and a fair representation of the reasons that things were done as they were in the 1990s (including the key point that other clubs envied us for keeping 'asset liabilities completely separated from playing costs', so that no-one could take the Stadium away from us as a community). Who's going to be the first to write 'what the fuck would John Harman know about it'? This is the important part: As others have said. Once the ground is in private hands, there is always the possibility of it being separated off and the football club being left homeless. Not necessarily Nagle, but some successor to Nagle. |
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Post by jonny5 on Oct 11, 2023 16:29:22 GMT 1
IMO you'd need to be an idiot NOT to worry about one man owning the stadium. KN will hopefully turn out to be brilliant for this town and club but you never, ever know what's around the corner. Our last owners priorities changed when he developed a terrible disease that almost killed him. Ruberys priorities changed due to divorce and probably issues around the tech boom. So far the jury is well and truly out on the football side, so already some slight concerns there. It should be very easy to protect the club though, the council just needs to make sure the lease is written such that the sporting clubs always have access and at a reasonable rent and that they can never be separated. If the council is to remain freeholder this may not be a bad thing providing it's on a peppercorn rent basis which presumably it is at the moment. That would or should give even more protection. Looking forward to hearing more detail on the plans. Regarding the comment about one man owning the stadium. I’d wager out of the 92 league clubs, a large percentage of football grounds are owned by the individual who owns the club. There are a few exceptions where the stadium was sold by the club’s chairman to another of their companies to increase/fudge FFP figures. Can someone more knowledgeable please list the clubs NOT owned by the clubs owner? FFP will be interesting if KN uses his own money to buy the stadium for HTAFC. We will be hampered for another 3 years if he does this. I can only see that it will be bought for another Ltd company outside of HTAFC for it to not kill us on FFP going forwards. |
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Post by incognito on Oct 11, 2023 17:28:26 GMT 1
Regarding the comment about one man owning the stadium. I’d wager out of the 92 league clubs, a large percentage of football grounds are owned by the individual who owns the club. There are a few exceptions where the stadium was sold by the club’s chairman to another of their companies to increase/fudge FFP figures. Can someone more knowledgeable please list the clubs NOT owned by the clubs owner? FFP will be interesting if KN uses his own money to buy the stadium for HTAFC. We will be hampered for another 3 years if he does this. I can only see that it will be bought for another Ltd company outside of HTAFC for it to not kill us on FFP going forwards. How so? |
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Post by crux on Oct 11, 2023 17:49:14 GMT 1
Regarding the comment about one man owning the stadium. I’d wager out of the 92 league clubs, a large percentage of football grounds are owned by the individual who owns the club. There are a few exceptions where the stadium was sold by the club’s chairman to another of their companies to increase/fudge FFP figures. Can someone more knowledgeable please list the clubs NOT owned by the clubs owner? FFP will be interesting if KN uses his own money to buy the stadium for HTAFC. We will be hampered for another 3 years if he does this. I can only see that it will be bought for another Ltd company outside of HTAFC for it to not kill us on FFP going forwards. FFP doesn't relate to capital spending, or spending on the Academy. |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 11, 2023 17:49:20 GMT 1
Yes, and was also pointed out the big skip is still owned by a previous owner. The point I’m trying to make is that of the whole 92, the vast majority of stadiums are all part and parcel of the clubs. Yet we have an owner who is trying to bring the ownership of the stadium back under control of the club and it is being “automatically” viewed as a terrible thing. And we spent the first 70 years owning our own stadium...ah Leeds Road...the home of my dreams You would get the whole 25k in the east terrace Just because of the warnock thing he's now being painted as the pantomime villain Some won't be happy unless it is Warnock buying it and calling it the Neil Warnock stadium. Surely Nagel buying it is the best option? Higher income for the club any time the stadium is used for anything. That's even events such as weddings, meet and greet etc. Yes, I see the sticky point when it comes to selling it. But if KDSL go bust, someone would have to buy it anyway. We could get well and truely fucked over that way I'd rather HTAFC own it than still have to lease/rent or whatever they do now. |
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Oct 11, 2023 17:51:00 GMT 1
Post by marshterrier on Oct 11, 2023 17:51:00 GMT 1
Mmmm interesting. I was thinking a lot of Offshore companies are involved in football clubs as well as lots of other businesses to assist with secrecy and tax evasion. No one really knows who is behind these off shore companies... maybe that may happen ?
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