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Oct 27, 2023 23:15:14 GMT 1
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Post by space hardware on Oct 27, 2023 23:15:14 GMT 1
If Davy sill does own lockwood park could happen there?, also must be space at old golf range?, it's all down to money again, Town Ladies and giants sharing is a good idea. Crooked Ken bought Woodfield Park, Lockwood - the old Police Sports Grounds. He made a lot of noise at the time about developing it as Fartown's new training complex, similar to when Dean Hoyle bought the old ICI Rec Club to turn it into Canalside. From memory, he got the Fartown playing squad to demolish the old buildings on site, 'ready for development'. Since that was many years ago, someone more cynical than me might suggest that that land's now more valuable for something such as, say, housing... Lockwood Park is where Huddersfield RUFC play, the former Bass Brewery site. I remember playing cricket there, against the old Woodfield Park Police team. Set of absolute wankers đđ |
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Post by royrace on Oct 29, 2023 9:18:27 GMT 1
Hopefully this deal doesn't go ahead until the owner has proved he's capable of running the football club.
If things continue the way they are, giving him the stadium would be a mistake imo.
It's looking more and more likely that he didn't know what he was buying and doesn't have the appetite for the levels of investment needed. The people he's trusted to advise him appear to be clueless or he's not listened to the ones that weren't.
Priority number one is on the pitch, I worry he could run that into the ground, he's made a really good start so far dismantling the squad and the manager.
If he gets the stadium it then looks like a really good real estate deal regardless of what happens on the pitch.
If he isn't interested in funding the club, sell it and let the buyer negotiate the stadium purchase.
Still a deafening silence on the amount of money he is prepared to commit. Really poor that he's not been forced to answer this question during the many interviews he's done. I suspect he's absolutely no desire to chuck in the millions per year that a championship club needs.
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 29, 2023 9:23:04 GMT 1
Hopefully this deal doesn't go ahead until the owner has proved he's capable of running the football club. If things continue the way they are, giving him the stadium would be a mistake imo. It's looking more and more likely that he didn't know what he was buying and doesn't have the appetite for the levels of investment needed. The people he's trusted to advise him appear to be clueless or he's not listened to the ones that weren't. Priority number one is on the pitch, I worry he could run that into the ground, he's made a really good start so far dismantling the squad and the manager. If he gets the stadium it then looks like a really good real estate deal regardless of what happens on the pitch. If he isn't interested in funding the club, sell it and let the buyer negotiate the stadium purchase. Still a deafening silence on the amount of money he is prepared to commit. Really poor that he's not been forced to answer this question during the many interviews he's done. I suspect he's absolutely no desire to chuck in the millions per year that a championship club needs. It does worry me that an entrepreneur could see HTAFC as merely an opening to acquire a large piece of real estate. Whether that is Mr Nagle I donât know, but his early handling of the football club has not been very good. |
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Oct 29, 2023 12:34:13 GMT 1
Post by goodbet on Oct 29, 2023 12:34:13 GMT 1
It did strike me last night that the club takeover could be all about getting hold of the land that our rugby friend (not) has been wanting to develop for years. I did not mention it as I thought it was brought on by the doom and gloom of the football. The more you think about it, it would explain the lack of investment and the summer window.  |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 29, 2023 12:38:41 GMT 1
Still a deafening silence on the amount of money he is prepared to commit. Really poor that he's not been forced to answer this question during the many interviews he's done. Has any owner EVER answered that question? Not just any owner of Town, any owner of ANY English football club...its naive to expect that kind of info. |
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Oct 29, 2023 12:49:56 GMT 1
Post by royrace on Oct 29, 2023 12:49:56 GMT 1
Still a deafening silence on the amount of money he is prepared to commit. Really poor that he's not been forced to answer this question during the many interviews he's done. Has any owner EVER answered that question? Not just any owner of Town, any owner of ANY English football club...its naive to expect that kind of info. Iâm not talking figures, Iâm talking intent, owners always answer those questions unless theyâve got something to hide. The bollocks spouted in the early days about sustainability, the academy, building income streams etc all set alarm bells ringing. He has no intention of funding this club to the levels needed to compete in the championship. Gas lit the majority of the fan base with the waffle about ffp and budgets. Still no specifics on that one and yet people lap it up including the local journo. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 3, 2023 15:28:16 GMT 1
Some interesting phrasing from a Nagle interview on Radio Leeds that I don't think has been picked up on previously... www.totalrl.com/huddersfield-giants-face-uncertain-stadium-future-as-huddersfield-town-owner-aims-to-take-over-council-share/âWell we work with the Giants. I think the Giants, they have their vision for the future as well. I think they would like to have their own stadium. Weâll work with Ken Davy and others to try to figure out what they may want to do."Not the kind of thing that you come out with unless there's been a real intimation of that desire from the RL club and/or Ken D directly with KN ?? âThe council has indicated that they want to step back and that means there are two parties left. We would have controlling interest.
âWe would have to work out with the Giants what it is that they need, whether they want to be a tenant or whether they want to be an owner long-term. Thatâs something that we would have to negotiate collectively.â |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 9, 2023 18:19:04 GMT 1
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Nov 9, 2023 18:31:36 GMT 1
It did strike me last night that the club takeover could be all about getting hold of the land that our rugby friend (not) has been wanting to develop for years. I did not mention it as I thought it was brought on by the doom and gloom of the football. The more you think about it, it would explain the lack of investment and the summer window. To be fair I think the lack of investment was more to do with the fact heâd literally only been allowed to complete the deal in late June was it ? January and next summer will be the markers |
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Post by ACW on Nov 9, 2023 18:47:42 GMT 1
Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, either in this thread or others, but do other people also have problems with the tannoys at the stadium this season?
I sit on the upper tier of the Core Stand and can hardly hear a word of what is said. I didn't have this problem last season.
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Post by goodbet on Nov 9, 2023 20:47:30 GMT 1
It did strike me last night that the club takeover could be all about getting hold of the land that our rugby friend (not) has been wanting to develop for years. I did not mention it as I thought it was brought on by the doom and gloom of the football. The more you think about it, it would explain the lack of investment and the summer window. To be fair I think the lack of investment was more to do with the fact heâd literally only been allowed to complete the deal in late June was it ? January and next summer will be the markers Anyone could see what we were lacking in the squad. Letting all those players leave and make such a pathetic attempt at recruitment can not be just written off as not being ready. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 9, 2023 21:16:22 GMT 1
Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, either in this thread or others, but do other people also have problems with the tannoys at the stadium this season? I sit on the upper tier of the Core Stand and can hardly hear a word of what is said. I didn't have this problem last season. Yeah I do, that annoying cretin on the microphone, wish he'd give it a bloody rest. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Nov 9, 2023 21:30:38 GMT 1
Still a deafening silence on the amount of money he is prepared to commit. Really poor that he's not been forced to answer this question during the many interviews he's done. Has any owner EVER answered that question? Not just any owner of Town, any owner of ANY English football club...its naive to expect that kind of info. And stupid, tell the world you cash balance and they will want it |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 23, 2023 18:15:46 GMT 1
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Post by ben1987 on Nov 23, 2023 21:27:57 GMT 1
I think we have to go back to understand the situation. After using supporters to claim ownership of the shares, Hoyle said www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/dean-hoyle-hails-landmark-deal-5831703Mr Hoyle admitted it had been a âlong and toughâ road and said âlessons need to be learned.â He added: âI now plan to put the clubâs shares in KSDL into a charitable trust to ensure no future owner or Huddersfield Town board can ever again separate the stadium interest from the club.â Supporters have then consistently asked the club about the shares situation and been told there has been no progress. Why is that? huddersfieldhub.co.uk/huddersfield-town-set-to-take-full-operational-control-of-the-john-smiths-stadium-with-kirklees-council-ready-to-write-off-debts/ The council warned back in March last year that KSDL was at risk of going bust and its financial position has since worsened, not least due to rising energy costs. The council says KSDL now faces âsevere cashflow difficulties.â Kirklees Council had wanted to set up a Community Trust and was prepared to lend the Trust up to ÂŁ13 million to cover debts and invest in repairs to the ageing stadium, opened in 1994. KSDL is owned by Kirklees Council (40%), Huddersfield Town (40%) and Huddersfield Giants (20%) and Townâs previous owner Phil Hodgkinson had supported the creation of the Trust. It was approved by the councilâs Cabinet but Townâs position changed when Dean Hoyle took back ownership of the football club from Mr Hodgkinson late last year. Mr Hoyle vetoed the move and the Trust deal was scuppered. The deal which Phil had put together with the council and Ken Davy was the ideal deal for the long term of the stadium, so why did Dean take a shotgun to it? huddersfieldhub.co.uk/council-backs-community-trust-plan-for-john-smiths-stadium/ |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Nov 23, 2023 21:46:13 GMT 1
So he could use a the shares to entice a wealthy Californian into investing in the 19th best club in the Championship, get himself a nice payment and engineer a juicy bonus should we ever get promotion again?
I wonder what other circumstances might see him get an extra payday, Dalton Bank being developed into Huddersfieldâs own Beverly Hills?!?
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Nov 23, 2023 22:03:09 GMT 1
Post by Rigodon on Nov 23, 2023 22:03:09 GMT 1
I think we have to go back to understand the situation. After using supporters to claim ownership of the shares, Hoyle said www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/dean-hoyle-hails-landmark-deal-5831703Mr Hoyle admitted it had been a âlong and toughâ road and said âlessons need to be learned.â He added: âI now plan to put the clubâs shares in KSDL into a charitable trust to ensure no future owner or Huddersfield Town board can ever again separate the stadium interest from the club.â Supporters have then consistently asked the club about the shares situation and been told there has been no progress. Why is that? huddersfieldhub.co.uk/huddersfield-town-set-to-take-full-operational-control-of-the-john-smiths-stadium-with-kirklees-council-ready-to-write-off-debts/ The council warned back in March last year that KSDL was at risk of going bust and its financial position has since worsened, not least due to rising energy costs. The council says KSDL now faces âsevere cashflow difficulties.â Kirklees Council had wanted to set up a Community Trust and was prepared to lend the Trust up to ÂŁ13 million to cover debts and invest in repairs to the ageing stadium, opened in 1994. KSDL is owned by Kirklees Council (40%), Huddersfield Town (40%) and Huddersfield Giants (20%) and Townâs previous owner Phil Hodgkinson had supported the creation of the Trust. It was approved by the councilâs Cabinet but Townâs position changed when Dean Hoyle took back ownership of the football club from Mr Hodgkinson late last year. Mr Hoyle vetoed the move and the Trust deal was scuppered. The deal which Phil had put together with the council and Ken Davy was the ideal deal for the long term of the stadium, so why did Dean take a shotgun to it? huddersfieldhub.co.uk/council-backs-community-trust-plan-for-john-smiths-stadium/Why would we want a share in it, would that increase risk against Town? What's an S1096 ? |
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Nov 23, 2023 22:10:04 GMT 1
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Post by tockyterrier on Nov 23, 2023 22:10:04 GMT 1
Hopefully this deal doesn't go ahead until the owner has proved he's capable of running the football club. If things continue the way they are, giving him the stadium would be a mistake imo. It's looking more and more likely that he didn't know what he was buying and doesn't have the appetite for the levels of investment needed. The people he's trusted to advise him appear to be clueless or he's not listened to the ones that weren't. Priority number one is on the pitch, I worry he could run that into the ground, he's made a really good start so far dismantling the squad and the manager. If he gets the stadium it then looks like a really good real estate deal regardless of what happens on the pitch. If he isn't interested in funding the club, sell it and let the buyer negotiate the stadium purchase. Still a deafening silence on the amount of money he is prepared to commit. Really poor that he's not been forced to answer this question during the many interviews he's done. I suspect he's absolutely no desire to chuck in the millions per year that a championship club needs. Not sure what use the stadium would be if the clubs that play in become poorly supported through neglect, wheres the money coming from to pay the bills? Cos he would get permission to knock it down. |
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Nov 23, 2023 22:44:59 GMT 1
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Post by tockyterrier on Nov 23, 2023 22:44:59 GMT 1
I think we have to go back to understand the situation. After using supporters to claim ownership of the shares, Hoyle said www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/dean-hoyle-hails-landmark-deal-5831703Mr Hoyle admitted it had been a âlong and toughâ road and said âlessons need to be learned.â He added: âI now plan to put the clubâs shares in KSDL into a charitable trust to ensure no future owner or Huddersfield Town board can ever again separate the stadium interest from the club.â Supporters have then consistently asked the club about the shares situation and been told there has been no progress. Why is that? huddersfieldhub.co.uk/huddersfield-town-set-to-take-full-operational-control-of-the-john-smiths-stadium-with-kirklees-council-ready-to-write-off-debts/ The council warned back in March last year that KSDL was at risk of going bust and its financial position has since worsened, not least due to rising energy costs. The council says KSDL now faces âsevere cashflow difficulties.â Kirklees Council had wanted to set up a Community Trust and was prepared to lend the Trust up to ÂŁ13 million to cover debts and invest in repairs to the ageing stadium, opened in 1994. KSDL is owned by Kirklees Council (40%), Huddersfield Town (40%) and Huddersfield Giants (20%) and Townâs previous owner Phil Hodgkinson had supported the creation of the Trust. It was approved by the councilâs Cabinet but Townâs position changed when Dean Hoyle took back ownership of the football club from Mr Hodgkinson late last year. Mr Hoyle vetoed the move and the Trust deal was scuppered. The deal which Phil had put together with the council and Ken Davy was the ideal deal for the long term of the stadium, so why did Dean take a shotgun to it? huddersfieldhub.co.uk/council-backs-community-trust-plan-for-john-smiths-stadium/Why would we want a share in it, would that increase risk against Town? What's an S1096 ? Just read the last financial statement. States the Stadium employs 27 staff in administration. What the hell do they all do ? |
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Nov 24, 2023 13:30:16 GMT 1
Post by townarentbest on Nov 24, 2023 13:30:16 GMT 1
I think we have to go back to understand the situation. After using supporters to claim ownership of the shares, Hoyle said www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/dean-hoyle-hails-landmark-deal-5831703Mr Hoyle admitted it had been a âlong and toughâ road and said âlessons need to be learned.â He added: âI now plan to put the clubâs shares in KSDL into a charitable trust to ensure no future owner or Huddersfield Town board can ever again separate the stadium interest from the club.â Supporters have then consistently asked the club about the shares situation and been told there has been no progress. Why is that? huddersfieldhub.co.uk/huddersfield-town-set-to-take-full-operational-control-of-the-john-smiths-stadium-with-kirklees-council-ready-to-write-off-debts/ The council warned back in March last year that KSDL was at risk of going bust and its financial position has since worsened, not least due to rising energy costs. The council says KSDL now faces âsevere cashflow difficulties.â Kirklees Council had wanted to set up a Community Trust and was prepared to lend the Trust up to ÂŁ13 million to cover debts and invest in repairs to the ageing stadium, opened in 1994. KSDL is owned by Kirklees Council (40%), Huddersfield Town (40%) and Huddersfield Giants (20%) and Townâs previous owner Phil Hodgkinson had supported the creation of the Trust. It was approved by the councilâs Cabinet but Townâs position changed when Dean Hoyle took back ownership of the football club from Mr Hodgkinson late last year. Mr Hoyle vetoed the move and the Trust deal was scuppered. The deal which Phil had put together with the council and Ken Davy was the ideal deal for the long term of the stadium, so why did Dean take a shotgun to it? huddersfieldhub.co.uk/council-backs-community-trust-plan-for-john-smiths-stadium/Why would we want a share in it, would that increase risk against Town? What's an S1096 ? Click on it and read the Court Order to Rectify doc, its pretty straightforward! Whoops!! |
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Nov 24, 2023 14:16:01 GMT 1
Post by detox on Nov 24, 2023 14:16:01 GMT 1
If KSDL goes bust, the stadium repairs will fall on the 3 sharholders anyway...that could be a problem for the Giants and maybe the catalyst to move elsewhere...that would leave 2 shareholders to pay for running/repairs to the stadium. KMC have already said they'd write off the debt owed to KSDL but tbh if they went bust the debt would be lost anyway. Ultimately the ownership of the stadium carries with it the hefty bill for renovation and as such KN miught just 'inherit' the stadium because no one else wants it or can afford to pay the repairs.
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Nov 24, 2023 14:17:11 GMT 1
Post by htafcokay on Nov 24, 2023 14:17:11 GMT 1
If KSDL goes bust, the stadium repairs will fall on the 3 sharholders anyway...that could be a problem for the Giants and maybe the catalyst to move elsewhere...that would leave 2 shareholders to pay for running/repairs to the stadium. KMC have already said they'd write off the debt owed to KSDL but tbh if they went bust the debt would be lost anyway. Ultimately the ownership of the stadium carries with it the hefty bill for renovation and as such KN might just 'inherit' the stadium because no one else wants it or can afford to pay the repairs. That makes me feel very uneasy. |
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Post by detox on Nov 24, 2023 14:44:31 GMT 1
If KSDL goes bust, the stadium repairs will fall on the 3 sharholders anyway...that could be a problem for the Giants and maybe the catalyst to move elsewhere...that would leave 2 shareholders to pay for running/repairs to the stadium. KMC have already said they'd write off the debt owed to KSDL but tbh if they went bust the debt would be lost anyway. Ultimately the ownership of the stadium carries with it the hefty bill for renovation and as such KN might just 'inherit' the stadium because no one else wants it or can afford to pay the repairs. That makes me feel very uneasy. Me too...but tbh it's hard to make a considered opinion because I don't have enough info...like what is the value of the JSS/land...how many loans are outstanding...how much 'repair'works need doing...how much do other partners then want to give up their share.. KN certainly has the strongest hand given that KMC is skint and the Giants aren't going to cough up ÂŁm's for repairs are they (money they could invest in their own facility).. There will be long arguements about relevant values , potential incomes etc etc etc.. A bit too much for my mental capacity... |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 24, 2023 14:45:40 GMT 1
That makes me feel very uneasy. Me too...but tbh it's hard to make a considered opinion because I don't have enough info...like what is the value of the JSS/land...how many loans are outstanding...how much 'repair'works need doing...how much do other partners then want to give up their share.. KN certainly has the strongest hand given that KMC is skint and the Giants aren't going to cough up ÂŁm's for repairs are they (money they could invest in their own facility).. There will be long arguements about relevant values , potential incomes etc etc etc.. A bit too much for my mental capacity... I have no issue with Nagle buying it and it becoming the club's. However, if Nagle thinks he's going to buy it and own it himself then I have MASSIVE issues with that. |
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Post by detox on Nov 24, 2023 14:59:45 GMT 1
Me too...but tbh it's hard to make a considered opinion because I don't have enough info...like what is the value of the JSS/land...how many loans are outstanding...how much 'repair'works need doing...how much do other partners then want to give up their share.. KN certainly has the strongest hand given that KMC is skint and the Giants aren't going to cough up ÂŁm's for repairs are they (money they could invest in their own facility).. There will be long arguements about relevant values , potential incomes etc etc etc.. A bit too much for my mental capacity... I have no issue with Nagle buying it and it becoming the club's. However, if Nagle thinks he's going to buy it and own it himself then I have MASSIVE issues with that. KN owns the club, so the JSS couldn't be put there...it would either be put into a 'trust' or he'd own it all...or he'd invite other parties to jointly own it and develop it. Don't think he'd cough up for it and give it away tbh. .but KMC have to be listened to if KN wants to get development plans approved..etc. Ultimately we want to avoid what happened at Coventry City... |
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Post by mosher on Nov 24, 2023 15:00:21 GMT 1
Me too...but tbh it's hard to make a considered opinion because I don't have enough info...like what is the value of the JSS/land...how many loans are outstanding...how much 'repair'works need doing...how much do other partners then want to give up their share.. KN certainly has the strongest hand given that KMC is skint and the Giants aren't going to cough up ÂŁm's for repairs are they (money they could invest in their own facility).. There will be long arguements about relevant values , potential incomes etc etc etc.. A bit too much for my mental capacity... I have no issue with Nagle buying it and it becoming the club's. However, if Nagle thinks he's going to buy it and own it himself then I have MASSIVE issues with that. Definitely. Much as I'm trying to remain optimistic about KN's tenure, if the stadium (and land) becomes his personal property rather than Town's then I'll seriously doubt his motives. |
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Post by ben1987 on Nov 24, 2023 15:14:38 GMT 1
Me too...but tbh it's hard to make a considered opinion because I don't have enough info...like what is the value of the JSS/land...how many loans are outstanding...how much 'repair'works need doing...how much do other partners then want to give up their share.. KN certainly has the strongest hand given that KMC is skint and the Giants aren't going to cough up ÂŁm's for repairs are they (money they could invest in their own facility).. There will be long arguements about relevant values , potential incomes etc etc etc.. A bit too much for my mental capacity... I have no issue with Nagle buying it and it becoming the club's. However, if Nagle thinks he's going to buy it and own it himself then I have MASSIVE issues with that. Me too, it should treated and be a community asset. It does surprise me how little interest there is as to why the shares are still after all these years not in a trust. |
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Post by Melc on Nov 24, 2023 15:20:54 GMT 1
I have no issue with Nagle buying it and it becoming the club's. However, if Nagle thinks he's going to buy it and own it himself then I have MASSIVE issues with that. Definitely. Much as I'm trying to remain optimistic about KN's tenure, if the stadium (and land) becomes his personal property rather than Town's then I'll seriously doubt his motives. I thought all the talk is Huddersfield town taking over the running of the stadium from KSDL and the land around the stadium still being owned by the council. That is a lot different than Nagle or HTAFC owning it. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 24, 2023 16:43:15 GMT 1
Definitely. Much as I'm trying to remain optimistic about KN's tenure, if the stadium (and land) becomes his personal property rather than Town's then I'll seriously doubt his motives. I thought all the talk is Huddersfield town taking over the running of the stadium from KSDL and the land around the stadium still being owned by the council. That is a lot different than Nagle or HTAFC owning it. Which is why I put if. I still trust KN more than I distrust him ... so far. But with every mind-boggling decision that trust is eroded. |
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