Stadium

[DuffMan]

Oct 8, 2023 22:24:43 GMT 1 28901 said:

Oct 8, 2023 14:29:06 GMT 1 benhomly said:

I think it's probably best to leave it there, you're resorting to personal insults and if I started reciprocating then it'll probably get out of hand and whilst that wouldn't bother me in the slightest it might bother you.

To be fair you started the argument. 13 year of Tory rule and the country's an absolute cesspit.
You'll still vote for em eh?
Guilty if what you accuse others.

Find it comical that people think it is going to be any better once labour get back in. 

[htafcokay]

Oct 9, 2023 9:59:46 GMT 1 DuffMan said:

Oct 8, 2023 22:24:43 GMT 1 28901 said:

To be fair you started the argument. 13 year of Tory rule and the country's an absolute cesspit.
You'll still vote for em eh?
Guilty if what you accuse others.

Find it comical that people think it is going to be any better once labour get back in. 

Well, we've got all the excuses ready if it isn't, it's all Ukraine and COVID's fault, right?

[DuffMan]

Both parties are crap and they will always blame each other for their own failings, the main problem is these parties seem to have football tribal style followers that will vote for them blindly without knowing whether their policies actually benefit their own circumstances.


Barry S should stick to politics unless he has a solution rather than putting the breaks on the only option that appears viable to save the stadium.

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Oct 9, 2023 10:30:38 GMT 1 DuffMan said:

Both parties are crap and they will always blame each other for their own failings, the main problem is these parties seem to have football tribal style followers that will vote for them blindly without knowing whether their policies actually benefit their own circumstances.


Barry S should stick to politics unless he has a solution rather than putting the breaks on the only option that appears viable to save the stadium.

Just because it benefits your own personal circumstances doesn't mean it's good for wider society, sometimes you need to take a look at the bigger picture and not just your own lot.

[castlehillterrier]

Positive news about the stadium and surrounding area should be announced in the next few weeks, as KN said more meeting this week. This is all part of a long term plan off the field to make HTAFC more sustainable and commercially more viable, it will be a huge investment for KN but it will really benefit us longer term. Wry positive signs on this Kirklees really want out of the stadium, and agreement with the giants is almost the most difficult part to this.

[iangreaves]

Oct 9, 2023 10:40:44 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

Oct 9, 2023 10:30:38 GMT 1 DuffMan said:

Both parties are crap and they will always blame each other for their own failings, the main problem is these parties seem to have football tribal style followers that will vote for them blindly without knowing whether their policies actually benefit their own circumstances.


Barry S should stick to politics unless he has a solution rather than putting the breaks on the only option that appears viable to save the stadium.

Just because it benefits your own personal circumstances doesn't mean it's good for wider society, sometimes you need to take a look at the bigger picture and not just your own lot.

Those now running the Labour Party are carbon copies of the Tories. Starmer, Reeves et al would be perfectly at home in the current Tory cabinet.

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Oct 9, 2023 11:29:10 GMT 1 iangreaves said:

Oct 9, 2023 10:40:44 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

Just because it benefits your own personal circumstances doesn't mean it's good for wider society, sometimes you need to take a look at the bigger picture and not just your own lot.

Those now running the Labour Party are carbon copies of the Tories. Starmer, Reeves et al would be perfectly at home in the current Tory cabinet.

I don't disagree, it's all centrist politics in this country. Not sure Labour could do any better to these comedians.

[araucaria]

It was a Labour-controlled council, led by John Harman, who still watches Town from the Kilner Bank (stand, not the bank itself), who built our Stadium.

[Tiro]

Oct 8, 2023 11:08:52 GMT 1 CurlyWurly said:

Looks like Kevin might face opposition in anything he tries to do.

Can I remind Barry that Kirklees council have contributed the total sum of fuck-all to the necessary maintenance and upgrades and have vacated their own premises which were there to support their function because they couldn’t afford it. All the while, HTAFC have been bankrolling all three parties. May we also remind Barry that that the near bankrupt council, indebted to near £50m, would require public monies, our monies, which are better ring fenced to deal with the all the other, primary, shit in the town that everyone needs. This private ownership, and those before it, albeit via Huddersfield’s greatest social asset HTAFC, would indeed keep and enhance the stadium to a level better than it is now. Not allow it to rot whilst pursuing some social dream. The only beneficiaries here are a corrupt and negligent entity, run by people with nil qualifications for the roles and with large pay checks, who have sapped and spaffed the proceeds external to the stadium for their own gains for decades.

[htafcokay]

Oct 9, 2023 12:51:41 GMT 1 Tiro said:

Oct 8, 2023 11:08:52 GMT 1 CurlyWurly said:

Looks like Kevin might face opposition in anything he tries to do.

Can I remind Barry that Kirklees council have contributed the total sum of fuck-all to the necessary maintenance and upgrades and have vacated their own premises which were there to support their function because they couldn’t afford it. All the while, HTAFC have been bankrolling all three parties. May we also remind Barry that that the near bankrupt council, indebted to near £50m, would require public monies, our monies, which are better ring fenced to deal with the all the other, primary, shit in the town that everyone needs. This private ownership, and those before it, albeit via Huddersfield’s greatest social asset HTAFC, would indeed keep and enhance the stadium to a level better than it is now. Not allow it to rot whilst pursuing some social dream. The only beneficiaries here are a corrupt and negligent entity, run by people with nil qualifications for the roles and with large pay checks, who have sapped and spaffed the proceeds external to the stadium for their own gains for decades.

Kirklees did put £250,000 in when we couldn't afford the rent in 2003.

[townarentbest]

Kevin Nagle >

“1. Obviously the on-pitch performance is always of the utmost priority, but this week we will also be continuing to identify and execute ways to make the overall match experience better for our supporters who very much deserve it.

2. We are aware of the pool closure and all related to it. I have heard you loud and clear- and if it’s important to you it’s important to me. We will be doing what we can in the coming days to try and find a solution that all are happy with, rest assured.

3. We are continuing to explore finding a pub near John Smith’s, as again we understand the passion and need for it.

4. Looking forward to meeting more of you, maybe some Marston’s chicken of course, and might drop in on a few media members for a visit as well."

[royrace]

Oct 9, 2023 13:08:20 GMT 1 townarentbest said:

Kevin Nagle >

“1. Obviously the on-pitch performance is always of the utmost priority, but this week we will also be continuing to identify and execute ways to make the overall match experience better for our supporters who very much deserve it.

2. We are aware of the pool closure and all related to it. I have heard you loud and clear- and if it’s important to you it’s important to me. We will be doing what we can in the coming days to try and find a solution that all are happy with, rest assured.

3. We are continuing to explore finding a pub near John Smith’s, as again we understand the passion and need for it.

4. Looking forward to meeting more of you, maybe some Marston’s chicken of course, and might drop in on a few media members for a visit as well."

His plans all sound very exciting but as he says himself on the pitch is the priority and I fear they have made a big mistake with Warnock, Moore and the squad. Hopefully the 'media members' will ask some useful questions regarding the state of the squad. It will need investment in Jan, will there be any and what has changed around the mysterious financial limitations, if anything, since the summer. 

[DuffMan]

Oct 9, 2023 10:40:44 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

Oct 9, 2023 10:30:38 GMT 1 DuffMan said:

Both parties are crap and they will always blame each other for their own failings, the main problem is these parties seem to have football tribal style followers that will vote for them blindly without knowing whether their policies actually benefit their own circumstances.


Barry S should stick to politics unless he has a solution rather than putting the breaks on the only option that appears viable to save the stadium.

Just because it benefits your own personal circumstances doesn't mean it's good for wider society, sometimes you need to take a look at the bigger picture and not just your own lot.

Impossible to define & predict what is good for wider society though, neither the tories nor labour governments have ever really solved any of the larger issues with society and probably never will. The idea in principle is nice to say and the holier than thou folks like to think it makes them a better person but in reality most people outside the top 5% earners will look at their financial situation and vote for what will benefit them the most and there isn't really anything wrong with that... in my opinion of course which I don't expect all to agree with 

[DuffMan]

Oct 9, 2023 13:07:10 GMT 1 htafcokay said:

Oct 9, 2023 12:51:41 GMT 1 Tiro said:

Can I remind Barry that Kirklees council have contributed the total sum of fuck-all to the necessary maintenance and upgrades and have vacated their own premises which were there to support their function because they couldn’t afford it. All the while, HTAFC have been bankrolling all three parties. May we also remind Barry that that the near bankrupt council, indebted to near £50m, would require public monies, our monies, which are better ring fenced to deal with the all the other, primary, shit in the town that everyone needs. This private ownership, and those before it, albeit via Huddersfield’s greatest social asset HTAFC, would indeed keep and enhance the stadium to a level better than it is now. Not allow it to rot whilst pursuing some social dream. The only beneficiaries here are a corrupt and negligent entity, run by people with nil qualifications for the roles and with large pay checks, who have sapped and spaffed the proceeds external to the stadium for their own gains for decades.

Kirklees did put £250,000 in when we couldn't afford the rent in 2003.

🤣 True but they didn't have a choice, the stadium company business model is bust as it is never mind if they didn't have the football clubs rent.

[araucaria]

Without the Council's input there would be no stadium. The old ground and the land it stood on was sold for about £4m and the rest of the funding came primarily from grants - Sport England, the Lottery, etc, with the Council and the football club funding a couple of million shortfall. My understanding about the grants is that in the event of a sale to a private buyer, they would be required to be repaid, but, of course, more than a quarter of a century has passed. It may work like it did at Woodfield Park - given in trust to Huddersfield police in 1922 but sold by it to a private individual a decade ago.

[htafcokay]

It's all well and good everyone saying that the club should run it, how do they propose the club covers the liabilities each year? That stadium has never made any money, what's going to change now?

[themanfromatlantis]

The idea of a community stadium is still a good one. Unfortunately we haven’t been able to exploit the stadium for non-sporting events as was the original plan. I’m not sure why that was the case, but it would be interesting to compare the JSS with similar size grounds and locations, to see if the custodians have missed a trick somewhere?

There are other community stadiums across the country, Brentford I believe? But locations and the business model are key.

I don’t think it’s sensible to expand capacity either, otherwise it becomes a drain on the finances for the community trust.

Would I visit the stadium beyond a match day if it were to be developed? Doubtful for me, but I guess a few would if the right attractions and facilities were there, but I’ve always said that our Town unfortunately has to compete with some big cities on our doorstep.

[araucaria]

Oct 9, 2023 12:51:41 GMT 1 Tiro said:

Oct 8, 2023 11:08:52 GMT 1 CurlyWurly said:

Looks like Kevin might face opposition in anything he tries to do.

Can I remind Barry that Kirklees council have contributed the total sum of fuck-all to the necessary maintenance and upgrades and have vacated their own premises which were there to support their function because they couldn’t afford it. All the while, HTAFC have been bankrolling all three parties. May we also remind Barry that that the near bankrupt council, indebted to near £50m, would require public monies, our monies, which are better ring fenced to deal with the all the other, primary, shit in the town that everyone needs. This private ownership, and those before it, albeit via Huddersfield’s greatest social asset HTAFC, would indeed keep and enhance the stadium to a level better than it is now. Not allow it to rot whilst pursuing some social dream. The only beneficiaries here are a corrupt and negligent entity, run by people with nil qualifications for the roles and with large pay checks, who have sapped and spaffed the proceeds external to the stadium for their own gains for decades.

Read my recent contribution and explain to me how we got from something that was so positive in the 1990s to the position you describe. Local councils were funded by central government to the tune of £34bn a year in 2010 and now it's £8bn. Increased Council Tax has helped to mitigate the loss of government support and has kept councils' revenue budgets at about half of what they were in 2010. They have no revenue (as opposed to capital) spending left to waste. Anyone who has any understanding of how local government is financed realises who the villains of the piece are - this government, which is certainly more corrupt and negligent than Kirklees Council could ever be.

[themanfromatlantis]

Oct 9, 2023 15:49:21 GMT 1 araucaria said:

Oct 9, 2023 12:51:41 GMT 1 Tiro said:

Can I remind Barry that Kirklees council have contributed the total sum of fuck-all to the necessary maintenance and upgrades and have vacated their own premises which were there to support their function because they couldn’t afford it. All the while, HTAFC have been bankrolling all three parties. May we also remind Barry that that the near bankrupt council, indebted to near £50m, would require public monies, our monies, which are better ring fenced to deal with the all the other, primary, shit in the town that everyone needs. This private ownership, and those before it, albeit via Huddersfield’s greatest social asset HTAFC, would indeed keep and enhance the stadium to a level better than it is now. Not allow it to rot whilst pursuing some social dream. The only beneficiaries here are a corrupt and negligent entity, run by people with nil qualifications for the roles and with large pay checks, who have sapped and spaffed the proceeds external to the stadium for their own gains for decades.

Read my recent contribution and explain to me how we got from something that was so positive in the 1990s to the position you describe. Local councils were funded by central government to the tune of £34bn a year in 2010 and now it's £8bn. Increased Council Tax has helped to mitigate the loss of government support and has kept councils' revenue budgets at about half of what they were in 2010. They have no revenue (as opposed to capital) spending left to waste. Anyone who has any understanding of how local government is financed realises who the villains of the piece are - this government, which is certainly more corrupt and negligent than Kirklees Council could ever be.

Is it still the case that C Govt still takes all the receipts from business rates etc?

[Sio]

Oct 9, 2023 13:08:20 GMT 1 townarentbest said:

Kevin Nagle >

“1. Obviously the on-pitch performance is always of the utmost priority, but this week we will also be continuing to identify and execute ways to make the overall match experience better for our supporters who very much deserve it.

2. We are aware of the pool closure and all related to it. I have heard you loud and clear- and if it’s important to you it’s important to me. We will be doing what we can in the coming days to try and find a solution that all are happy with, rest assured.

3. We are continuing to explore finding a pub near John Smith’s, as again we understand the passion and need for it.

4. Looking forward to meeting more of you, maybe some Marston’s chicken of course, and might drop in on a few media members for a visit as well."

Where are these quotes from?

[mosher]

Oct 9, 2023 15:35:10 GMT 1 htafcokay said:

It's all well and good everyone saying that the club should run it, how do they propose the club covers the liabilities each year? That stadium has never made any money, what's going to change now?

Agreed, it's been massively underused.

I'm hoping that if KN buys it, they'll actually USE the damn thing, rather than 1 concert every couple of years.

Course, that would also mean people who complain about it's lack of use actually using anything that the new ownership introduces.

It's on a par with my mate who complained about a local library (he's a Manc Wank) being shut, but when I asked when he last went to the library it turned out he'd NEVER been to the one getting closed 

It also seems to me there's a distinct lack of promotion; ie I don't remember there being much promotion over Muse appearing, a huge band but I don't recall seeing/hearing that much advertisement.  I barely saw any mention of it in Metal Hammer/Kerrang and although I wouldn't have gone for just Muse, I may well have bought a ticket if I'd known The Warning were supporting, love that band.

It's lack of (off match-day) use has been close to criminal IMO

[Sio]

Oct 9, 2023 11:15:06 GMT 1 castlehillterrier said:

Positive news about the stadium and surrounding area should be announced in the next few weeks, as KN said more meeting this week. This is all part of a long term plan off the field to make HTAFC more sustainable and commercially more viable, it will be a huge investment for KN but it will really benefit us longer term. Wry positive signs on this Kirklees really want out of the stadium, and agreement with the giants is almost the most difficult part to this.

This sounds plausible given Sheerman's tweets - clearly we're trying to manoeuvre some sort of deal here that presumably isn't 'in the interests' of the council, and he's fretting.  

[townarentbest]

Oct 9, 2023 16:03:06 GMT 1 Sio said:

Oct 9, 2023 13:08:20 GMT 1 townarentbest said:

Kevin Nagle >

“1. Obviously the on-pitch performance is always of the utmost priority, but this week we will also be continuing to identify and execute ways to make the overall match experience better for our supporters who very much deserve it.

2. We are aware of the pool closure and all related to it. I have heard you loud and clear- and if it’s important to you it’s important to me. We will be doing what we can in the coming days to try and find a solution that all are happy with, rest assured.

3. We are continuing to explore finding a pub near John Smith’s, as again we understand the passion and need for it.

4. Looking forward to meeting more of you, maybe some Marston’s chicken of course, and might drop in on a few media members for a visit as well."

Where are these quotes from?

www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/kevin-nagle-lays-out-huddersfield-27866149

[htafcokay]

Oct 9, 2023 16:07:57 GMT 1 Sio said:

Oct 9, 2023 11:15:06 GMT 1 castlehillterrier said:

Positive news about the stadium and surrounding area should be announced in the next few weeks, as KN said more meeting this week. This is all part of a long term plan off the field to make HTAFC more sustainable and commercially more viable, it will be a huge investment for KN but it will really benefit us longer term. Wry positive signs on this Kirklees really want out of the stadium, and agreement with the giants is almost the most difficult part to this.

This sounds plausible given Sheerman's tweets - clearly we're trying to manoeuvre some sort of deal here that presumably isn't 'in the interests' of the council, and he's fretting.  

Why would he be fretting? Sheerman hasn't got anything to do with the council. 

[prepare]

Oct 9, 2023 16:03:06 GMT 1 Sio said:

Oct 9, 2023 13:08:20 GMT 1 townarentbest said:

Kevin Nagle >

“1. Obviously the on-pitch performance is always of the utmost priority, but this week we will also be continuing to identify and execute ways to make the overall match experience better for our supporters who very much deserve it.

2. We are aware of the pool closure and all related to it. I have heard you loud and clear- and if it’s important to you it’s important to me. We will be doing what we can in the coming days to try and find a solution that all are happy with, rest assured.

3. We are continuing to explore finding a pub near John Smith’s, as again we understand the passion and need for it.

4. Looking forward to meeting more of you, maybe some Marston’s chicken of course, and might drop in on a few media members for a visit as well."

Where are these quotes from?

yorkshire live

[htafcokay]

Oct 9, 2023 16:03:58 GMT 1 mosher said:

Oct 9, 2023 15:35:10 GMT 1 htafcokay said:

It's all well and good everyone saying that the club should run it, how do they propose the club covers the liabilities each year? That stadium has never made any money, what's going to change now?

Agreed, it's been massively underused.

I'm hoping that if KN buys it, they'll actually USE the damn thing, rather than 1 concert every couple of years.

Course, that would also mean people who complain about it's lack of use actually using anything that the new ownership introduces.

It's on a par with my mate who complained about a local library (he's a Manc Wank) being shut, but when I asked when he last went to the library it turned out he'd NEVER been to the one getting closed 

It also seems to me there's a distinct lack of promotion; ie I don't remember there being much promotion over Muse appearing, a huge band but I don't recall seeing/hearing that much advertisement.  I barely saw any mention of it in Metal Hammer/Kerrang and although I wouldn't have gone for just Muse, I may well have bought a ticket if I'd known The Warning were supporting, love that band.

It's lack of (off match-day) use has been close to criminal IMO

I'm hoping he doesn't buy it. Or anyone else for that matter.

I think people ought to be careful what they wish for. At the moment, we are not solely responsible for the massive liabilities. The ground never makes any money.

If the club or Nagle gets hold of it, who's going to deal with those liabilities, which are in the millions?

He's going to have to sell an awful lot of fancy pies and Magic Rock beer to raise the millions of pounds a year it's losing, and has always lost.

[royrace]

Oct 9, 2023 15:35:10 GMT 1 htafcokay said:

It's all well and good everyone saying that the club should run it, how do they propose the club covers the liabilities each year? That stadium has never made any money, what's going to change now?

I guess the idea is that you will have a successful billionaire entrepreneur and his team running it who are experienced in such things albeit across the pond.

I'm guessing there aren't many highly motivated and driven entrepreneurs on the current board of KSDL. Hopefully a private company will make a much better go of it.

There needs to be protection for both town and giants though, hopefully the deal can be structured to protect the clubs now and in the future.

There seems to be a lot of scope with the surrounding land, I'm sure if it's done right it could thrive. Let's face it there's not much competition in Huddersfield, where else would you go to spend your money except to another nearby town or city!

[htafcokay]

Oct 9, 2023 16:18:11 GMT 1 royrace said:

Oct 9, 2023 15:35:10 GMT 1 htafcokay said:

It's all well and good everyone saying that the club should run it, how do they propose the club covers the liabilities each year? That stadium has never made any money, what's going to change now?

I guess the idea is that you will have a successful billionaire entrepreneur and his team running it who are experienced in such things albeit across the pond.

I'm guessing there aren't many highly motivated and driven entrepreneurs on the current board of KSDL. Hopefully a private company will make a much better go of it.

There needs to be protection for both town and giants though, hopefully the deal can be structured to protect the clubs now and in the future.

There seems to be a lot of scope with the surrounding land, I'm sure if it's done right it could thrive. Let's face it there's not much competition in Huddersfield, where else would you go to spend your money except to another nearby town or city!

There's been talk of developing the surrounding land for 30 years and no-one has ever done it. Why would Nagle be any different?

It's just fantasy land, as usual.

I'd much rather he put his money where his mouth is where the team is concerned first. 

I don't trust him and don't trust anybody with full control of the ground. It works as it is and we are protected from getting kicked out of it as there's three shareholders. If Nagle gets hold of it and has 100% ownership he can basically do what he wants with it. I don't think he should be afforded that power.

[mosher]

Oct 9, 2023 16:17:14 GMT 1 htafcokay said:

Oct 9, 2023 16:03:58 GMT 1 mosher said:

Agreed, it's been massively underused.

I'm hoping that if KN buys it, they'll actually USE the damn thing, rather than 1 concert every couple of years.

Course, that would also mean people who complain about it's lack of use actually using anything that the new ownership introduces.

It's on a par with my mate who complained about a local library (he's a Manc Wank) being shut, but when I asked when he last went to the library it turned out he'd NEVER been to the one getting closed 

It also seems to me there's a distinct lack of promotion; ie I don't remember there being much promotion over Muse appearing, a huge band but I don't recall seeing/hearing that much advertisement.  I barely saw any mention of it in Metal Hammer/Kerrang and although I wouldn't have gone for just Muse, I may well have bought a ticket if I'd known The Warning were supporting, love that band.

It's lack of (off match-day) use has been close to criminal IMO

I'm hoping he doesn't buy it. Or anyone else for that matter.

I think people ought to be careful what they wish for. At the moment, we are not solely responsible for the massive liabilities. The ground never makes any money.

If the club or Nagle gets hold of it, who's going to deal with those liabilities, which are in the millions?

He's going to have to sell an awful lot of fancy pies and Magic Rock beer to raise the millions of pounds a year it's losing, and has always lost.

I agree, I should have put the if in capitals or something.

While I broadly agree it shouldn't be in an individual's hands I'm hoping (and it is only hope) that KN is true to his word about development in and around the local area.

Although when you've got people from DATM (mention no names) constantly tweeting the guy abuse I don't think it'd take much for all his plans to be withdrawn.

Some people are more liable to take their bat and ball home rather than ride the abuse, I just hope KN isn't one of those types.

Like I say it's all hope and what do they say about hope killing you 

[DuffMan]

Oct 9, 2023 16:20:50 GMT 1 htafcokay said:

Oct 9, 2023 16:18:11 GMT 1 royrace said:

I guess the idea is that you will have a successful billionaire entrepreneur and his team running it who are experienced in such things albeit across the pond.

I'm guessing there aren't many highly motivated and driven entrepreneurs on the current board of KSDL. Hopefully a private company will make a much better go of it.

There needs to be protection for both town and giants though, hopefully the deal can be structured to protect the clubs now and in the future.

There seems to be a lot of scope with the surrounding land, I'm sure if it's done right it could thrive. Let's face it there's not much competition in Huddersfield, where else would you go to spend your money except to another nearby town or city!

There's been talk of developing the surrounding land for 30 years and no-one has ever done it. Why would Nagle be any different?

It's just fantasy land, as usual.

I'd much rather he put his money where his mouth is where the team is concerned first. 

I don't trust him and don't trust anybody with full control of the ground. It works as it is and we are protected from getting kicked out of it as there's three shareholders. If Nagle gets hold of it and has 100% ownership he can basically do what he wants with it. I don't think he should be afforded that power.

I agree we should be investing in the team but I think it is quite small minded to assume that just because others have failed before him he won't be able to make a success of developing the land, willing to give him a chance anyways