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Post by shawsie on Jan 2, 2023 9:59:57 GMT 1
The first goal was a simple one-two that left the Luton player goalside of Ruffels and he actually advanced away, with the ball, from the labouring Ruffels. The first goal wasn't even the first time in the game they'd pulled off that exact same move. That's the frustrating thing, it'd happened once and it was allowed to happen again It always will with ruffels. Clearly a nice lad and decent pro ..... but like boyle hes a decent league 1 defender but not quite at this level. The post prem years of recruiting in the relative bargain basement will bite us on the arris if we arent careful particularly as the prem loans have been average at best this year ........... there are definitely some jewels lower down the pyramid - but when you get a good number slightly wrong it can be a real issue. Yesterdays starting team had nicholls, boyle, ruffels, helik, lees, kasumu, rudoni and rhodes in it - all brought in from a lower division at the time i believe. Very difficult to succeed with that many i would suggest unless youre 2 or 3 prem loans are ALL colwill standard. |
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Post by Uddersfield on Jan 2, 2023 12:18:06 GMT 1
Agree he’s clearly a nice lad and very professional but he’s a massive weak link.
A moment in the first half where Nicholls caught the ball and ran out to the left side for a quick throw but Ruffels was 10 yards behind him looking not interested. Could have had an opportunity to break but then folded.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jan 2, 2023 12:21:06 GMT 1
The first goal wasn't even the first time in the game they'd pulled off that exact same move. That's the frustrating thing, it'd happened once and it was allowed to happen again It always will with ruffels. Clearly a nice lad and decent pro ..... but like boyle hes a decent league 1 defender but not quite at this level. The post prem years of recruiting in the relative bargain basement will bite us on the arris if we arent careful particularly as the prem loans have been average at best this year ........... there are definitely some jewels lower down the pyramid - but when you get a good number slightly wrong it can be a real issue. Yesterdays starting team had nicholls, boyle, ruffels, helik, lees, kasumu, rudoni and rhodes in it - all brought in from a lower division at the time i believe. Very difficult to succeed with that many i would suggest unless youre 2 or 3 prem loans are ALL colwill standard. I think you can do well in this league buying from leagues 1 and 2 - Preston being a good example. The difference being the profile of player that you’re signing. Rudoni and Boyle were free transfers only intended as squad players and have struggled. Kasumu, Rudoni and Helik were all signed for decent transfer fees and have done well on the whole and certainly look like they belong at this level. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jan 2, 2023 12:44:23 GMT 1
I see what you've done - mentioned Rudoni twice. I'll wait til you've seen this and delete my post. I meant ruffles 😬 |
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Post by goodbet on Jan 2, 2023 13:58:29 GMT 1
It always will with ruffels. Clearly a nice lad and decent pro ..... but like boyle hes a decent league 1 defender but not quite at this level. The post prem years of recruiting in the relative bargain basement will bite us on the arris if we arent careful particularly as the prem loans have been average at best this year ........... there are definitely some jewels lower down the pyramid - but when you get a good number slightly wrong it can be a real issue. Yesterdays starting team had nicholls, boyle, ruffels, helik, lees, kasumu, rudoni and rhodes in it - all brought in from a lower division at the time i believe. Very difficult to succeed with that many i would suggest unless youre 2 or 3 prem loans are ALL colwill standard. I think you can do well in this league buying from leagues 1 and 2 - Preston being a good example. The difference being the profile of player that you’re signing. Rudoni and Boyle were free transfers only intended as squad players and have struggled. Kasumu, Rudoni and Helik were all signed for decent transfer fees and have done well on the whole and certainly look like they belong at this level. The difference I believe is that you can bring in league 1 & 2 players if you are fitting them in to a side you are building, giving you the chance to develop them. We have been selling off the crown jewels since we left the Premier league and bringing in players like Boyle, Ruffels who are not of championship standard or Kasumu and Rudoni who would be better with higher quality players around them, helping in their development. We seem to be buying players with a hope and a prayer that we will snap up some cheap players that will turn in to £5M pound players overnight. In reality we are nowhere near the Brentford model. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jan 2, 2023 14:28:51 GMT 1
I think you can do well in this league buying from leagues 1 and 2 - Preston being a good example. The difference being the profile of player that you’re signing. Rudoni and Boyle were free transfers only intended as squad players and have struggled. Kasumu, Rudoni and Helik were all signed for decent transfer fees and have done well on the whole and certainly look like they belong at this level. The difference I believe is that you can bring in league 1 & 2 players if you are fitting them in to a side you are building, giving you the chance to develop them. We have been selling off the crown jewels since we left the Premier league and bringing in players like Boyle, Ruffels who are not of championship standard or Kasumu and Rudoni who would be better with higher quality players around them, helping in their development. We seem to be buying players with a hope and a prayer that we will snap up some cheap players that will turn in to £5M pound players overnight. In reality we are nowhere near the Brentford model. Brentford and Brighton have a clear strategy to speculate to accumulate - no coincidence their owners are professional gamblers. They are both ambitious and committed to making their clubs the best they can be. Post-illness, Hoyle’s interest in the club has mostly gone. We didn’t have a particularly strong strategy before, now it’s about his exit strategy and getting by in the championship as cost efficiently as possible. If Brentford would’ve sold O’Brien and Toffolo for £12m they’d have bought a striker for £5m and spent another £5m on 3/4 players to improve their weak areas. They’d have brought in Kasumu and Rudoni as squad players whereas they need to be key players from day one. That’s why a club like Luton outplayed us with a stronger squad yesterday, and why Fotheringham needs to get a tune out of Ruffles and Boyle. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jan 2, 2023 14:33:47 GMT 1
Ruffels like Boyle, not upto the level but they try there socks off i will give them slack. It is when you know a player is good enough , yet leaving 10%/20% in the tank .
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 2, 2023 14:33:48 GMT 1
Currently, we must have the weakest left sided defence in the division. Neither Boyle or Ruffles would get in any other team in the Championship.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 2, 2023 14:35:01 GMT 1
The difference I believe is that you can bring in league 1 & 2 players if you are fitting them in to a side you are building, giving you the chance to develop them. We have been selling off the crown jewels since we left the Premier league and bringing in players like Boyle, Ruffels who are not of championship standard or Kasumu and Rudoni who would be better with higher quality players around them, helping in their development. We seem to be buying players with a hope and a prayer that we will snap up some cheap players that will turn in to £5M pound players overnight. In reality we are nowhere near the Brentford model. Brentford and Brighton have a clear strategy to speculate to accumulate - no coincidence their owners are professional gamblers. They are both ambitious and committed to making their clubs the best they can be. Post-illness, Hoyle’s interest in the club has mostly gone. We didn’t have a particularly strong strategy before, now it’s about his exit strategy and getting by in the championship as cost efficiently as possible. If Brentford would’ve sold O’Brien and Toffolo for £12m they’d have bought a striker for £5m and spent another £5m on 3/4 players to improve their weak areas. They’d have brought in Kasumu and Rudoni as squad players whereas they need to be key players from day one. That’s why a club like Luton outplayed us with a stronger squad yesterday, and why Fotheringham needs to get a tune out of Ruffles and Boyle. The only tune coming out of Boyle and Ruffels is an Adagio. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 16:27:18 GMT 1
The first goal wasn't even the first time in the game they'd pulled off that exact same move. That's the frustrating thing, it'd happened once and it was allowed to happen again It always will with ruffels. Clearly a nice lad and decent pro ..... but like boyle hes a decent league 1 defender but not quite at this level. The post prem years of recruiting in the relative bargain basement will bite us on the arris if we arent careful particularly as the prem loans have been average at best this year ........... there are definitely some jewels lower down the pyramid - but when you get a good number slightly wrong it can be a real issue. Yesterdays starting team had nicholls, boyle, ruffels, helik, lees, kasumu, rudoni and rhodes in it - all brought in from a lower division at the time i believe. Very difficult to succeed with that many i would suggest unless youre 2 or 3 prem loans are ALL colwill standard. What we are forgetting is we brought in two full international defenders, Nakayama and Helik and one U21 international, Mbete. Plus already having Lees & Pearson. Nakayama plays left back for Japan or can play centre back. KKH is highly thought of at Villa and we are starting to see why. Add Turton, who has shown he is Championship standard and you then have Ruffels, Boyle, Spencer & Jackson as back ups. That is not a bad defensive unit for this level. Losing Nakayama & Pearson has been a big loss and given the hype it was very surprising Mbete has been so poor. Who knows he may have thrived under Carlos. The slow start for KKH has probably been partly down to our managerial changes but you can see why we wanted him. Midfield has been a big learning curve for Camara, Kasumu, Rudoni and young Diarra, all without Hogg behind them. Aaron Rowe has vanished and we have lost Tino again, probably for the season. Sorba's drop in form is an added problem. Holmes's form has been a real bonus. Strikers we could have done with adding too. Simpson was too long a wait and a big jump in divisions, which leaves Rhodes and Ward and we could have done with a different style of striker from the off, perhaps that was supposed to be Tino. We have been very unlucky this year. |
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Post by terryya on Apr 2, 2023 10:25:34 GMT 1
What a finish from this man yesterday. Got a little bit of fortune with the run (as did their guy who turned in his own half before the opener) but you make your own luck. Absolutely dismissive with the finish. In his head it was always going into the back of the net.
Compare and contrast with Helik from a similar position against Norwich.
We've all moaned at the players who have stolen a wage here since 2017 and here is a much more limited player, but one who always gives 100%.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 2, 2023 10:31:13 GMT 1
What a finish from this man yesterday. Got a little bit of fortune with the run (as did their guy who turned in his own half before the opener) but you make your own luck. Absolutely dismissive with the finish. In his head it was always going into the back of the net. Compare and contrast with Helik from a similar position against Norwich. We've all moaned at the players who have stolen a wage here since 2017 and here is a much more limited player, but one who always gives 100%. Harsh on Helik as it was on his wrong foot and he had just sprinted from one end to other. Look at how he took that ball down at the back post early on and laid it back to Koroma. He showed more composure there than you will usually see from any of our attackers |
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Post by terryya on Apr 2, 2023 10:37:01 GMT 1
What a finish from this man yesterday. Got a little bit of fortune with the run (as did their guy who turned in his own half before the opener) but you make your own luck. Absolutely dismissive with the finish. In his head it was always going into the back of the net. Compare and contrast with Helik from a similar position against Norwich. We've all moaned at the players who have stolen a wage here since 2017 and here is a much more limited player, but one who always gives 100%. Harsh on Helik as it was on his wrong foot and he had just sprinted from one end to other. Look at how he took that ball down at the back post early on and laid it back to Koroma. He showed more composure there than you will usually see from any of our attackers Wasn't meant to slag Helik off. JR didn't overthink it, just absolutely buried it. It was a brilliant run from Helik, and a great ball to him, but he didn't even get a shot off. |
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Post by bleaklow on Apr 2, 2023 10:53:46 GMT 1
Ruffles went passed five men to score; should he be employed in attack rather than defence?
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Post by 28901 on Apr 2, 2023 11:35:31 GMT 1
What a finish from this man yesterday. Got a little bit of fortune with the run (as did their guy who turned in his own half before the opener) but you make your own luck. Absolutely dismissive with the finish. In his head it was always going into the back of the net. Compare and contrast with Helik from a similar position against Norwich. We've all moaned at the players who have stolen a wage here since 2017 and here is a much more limited player, but one who always gives 100%. It was great but I've no idea what their keeper was doing. It went down the middle he just flapped at it. I thought he was dodgy all match to be honest. |
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Post by DuffMan on Apr 2, 2023 11:52:53 GMT 1
Just watched the finish again, get the lad up front haha
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Post by terryya on Apr 2, 2023 12:07:27 GMT 1
What a finish from this man yesterday. Got a little bit of fortune with the run (as did their guy who turned in his own half before the opener) but you make your own luck. Absolutely dismissive with the finish. In his head it was always going into the back of the net. Compare and contrast with Helik from a similar position against Norwich. We've all moaned at the players who have stolen a wage here since 2017 and here is a much more limited player, but one who always gives 100%. It was great but I've no idea what their keeper was doing. It went down the middle he just flapped at it. I thought he was dodgy all match to be honest. Looks like pure pace. Ball was in the net before the keeper had time to react. |
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Post by sabailand on Apr 2, 2023 12:19:39 GMT 1
Another who was slagged off, a bit like Ollis Turton was, not a big name and came from a not very successfull team, think of two of towns most memorable goals this seaosn (i know we're not spoliled for choice), hes scord them both..and yes he did mean to score that one at QPR.
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Post by 28901 on Apr 2, 2023 12:42:18 GMT 1
It was great but I've no idea what their keeper was doing. It went down the middle he just flapped at it. I thought he was dodgy all match to be honest. Looks like pure pace. Ball was in the net before the keeper had time to react. He's certainly got a powerful shot on him. |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Apr 2, 2023 12:49:41 GMT 1
I also thought their keeper unconvincing, think our 4th went in off his foot. He looked demoralised by then. It takes a brave coach to sub an uninjured keeper though.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 2, 2023 12:58:39 GMT 1
Another who was slagged off, a bit like Ollis Turton was, not a big name and came from a not very successfull team, think of two of towns most memorable goals this seaosn (i know we're not spoliled for choice), hes scord them both..and yes he did meant to score that one at QPR. He's half the player Turton is, atleast defensively. Ruffels is awful when someone runs at him, can't move his feet quick enough. The further away from our goal he is usually the better for him and us |
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 2, 2023 13:49:54 GMT 1
Just watched the finish again, get the lad up front haha Lad that sits behind me said that in the 1st half because of the goals he scored at QPR |
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Post by terryya on Apr 2, 2023 14:01:01 GMT 1
I also thought their keeper unconvincing, think our 4th went in off his foot. He looked demoralised by then. It takes a brave coach to sub an uninjured keeper though. I think it's a bit harsh on the keeper, to be honest. Pearson struck it well from inside the 6 yard box and the keeper did well to get anything on it and was unlucky not to save it. Their whole team looked shellshocked by then. |
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Post by sabailand on Apr 2, 2023 14:02:51 GMT 1
Also a big part to play in Pearsons second.
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Post by sabailand on Apr 2, 2023 14:06:21 GMT 1
I also thought their keeper unconvincing, think our 4th went in off his foot. He looked demoralised by then. It takes a brave coach to sub an uninjured keeper though. I think it's a bit harsh on the keeper, to be honest. Pearson struck it well from inside the 6 yard box and the keeper did well to get anything on it and was unlucky not to save it. Their whole team looked shellshocked by then. Certainly a centre halfs finish  , but right place right time, everyone celebrated like it was a 30 yard screamer. |
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Post by terryya on Apr 2, 2023 14:14:50 GMT 1
Also a big part to play in Pearsons second. I only really appreciated his contribution to this goal after watching the highlights. |
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Post by supercol23 on Jul 3, 2023 20:38:05 GMT 1
Ruffels spotted in training? If Warnock wants him back then why not, a consistently solid player last season especially under Warnock, can also score the occasional screamer.
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Post by Wingman on Jul 3, 2023 20:43:19 GMT 1
Ruffels spotted in training? If Warnock wants him back then why not, a consistently solid player last season especially under Warnock, can also score the occasional screamer. May have been invited to train with the club until he gets fixed up elsewhere, happens a fair bit and it's good to see. He got caught out a little too often for me and if Yuta is fit, he's not likely to get much gametime you'd think? |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 3, 2023 20:58:27 GMT 1
Ruffels spotted in training? If Warnock wants him back then why not, a consistently solid player last season especially under Warnock, can also score the occasional screamer. May have been invited to train with the club until he gets fixed up elsewhere, happens a fair bit and it's good to see. He got caught out a little too often for me and if Yuta is fit, he's not likely to get much gametime you'd think? See Maynards cryptic clue, elsewhere 😉 |
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Post by Kenny irons on Jul 3, 2023 22:13:12 GMT 1
Ruffels is a step backwards imo
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, but right place right time, everyone celebrated like it was a 30 yard screamer.
