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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Dec 1, 2022 12:26:15 GMT 1
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Not one to rock the boat - I know the job is a thankless task and respect those of you currently doing it.
I have one question. Who made the decision to have DATM automatically change the word C U N T to "card" and why?
We had a vote on swearing in the past, and it was decided no profanity filter was needed. So why change it now?
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Post by mosher on Dec 1, 2022 14:15:38 GMT 1
Hi Not one to rock the boat - I know the job is a thankless task and respect those of you currently doing it. I have one question. Who made the decision to have DATM automatically change the word C U N T to "card" and why? We had a vote on swearing in the past, and it was decided no profanity filter was needed. So why change it now? I know it's a particularly offensive word to some people, but you could say that about any swear word really. Our Dan absolutely hates the word bastard, my mam hates the word pussy when related to womens' parts. I don't particularly hate ANY word, it's all just language to me and is very fluid in it's usage. Which is me clumsily trying to say I agree G  |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Dec 1, 2022 14:21:49 GMT 1
Quite simply, as a collective, we decided to instigate it as a trial to see if it would be noticed, and if it was, would there be objection to it. As with all things Graham, change occurs. It's not as simple to say swearing is allowed, you know some words carry more gravitas than others. In addition, before its suggested, we do not envisage a poll where people can cherry pick words from a humungous list.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Dec 1, 2022 14:41:30 GMT 1
Ok - but the poll allowed for the possibility of changing some words if the result of the poll was that swearing on here was unacceptable. downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/105990/datm-swearing-acceptable-board-poll And the result was that it was acceptable. If DATM users had wanted what you have chosen to do now, then the results of the poll would reflect it. I also find the sentence "we decided to instigate it as a trial to see if it would be noticed, and if it was, would there be objection to it." a bit troubling. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Dec 1, 2022 15:05:52 GMT 1
I am busy at work right now and I do not have the time to engage you on this topic. I am not going to ignore it however and will get back to you in due course
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 1, 2022 15:05:56 GMT 1
It didn’t need this, absolutely no need for censorship.
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Post by benhomly on Dec 1, 2022 15:06:10 GMT 1
At least change it to 'twat' rather than 'card'. It conjures up pictures of us all standing around smacking each other with a pair of gloves rather than the image it's supposed to portray.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Dec 1, 2022 15:30:59 GMT 1
At least change it to 'twat' rather than 'card'. It conjures up pictures of us all standing around smacking each other with a pair of gloves rather than the image it's supposed to portray. Or just c**t |
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Post by ambryboy on Dec 1, 2022 16:14:48 GMT 1
At least change it to 'twat' rather than 'card'. It conjures up pictures of us all standing around smacking each other with a pair of gloves rather than the image it's supposed to portray. Or just c**t That could be clit though which is very much part of the problem |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Dec 1, 2022 16:25:56 GMT 1
That could be clit though which is very much part of the problem what is this clit? I've heard of it but never found one... |
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Post by Wingman on Dec 1, 2022 23:58:38 GMT 1
Fair challenge Grim et al.
The decision to test the waters came at a time when there were a few spats abound on DATM and people were throwing the C word about like confetti. Bearing in mind we want to keep this forum welcoming to all, it was trialled to see how the change would work. It was never planned to be a permanent change; we are not so ignorant to think we can run roughshod over the forum members choices.
So yes, the trial has been run, we’ve seen the effects and naturally the Admin team will review the outcomes.
We are not trying to dampen debate or kill any passion shown in discussions, but for sure the use of such extreme profanities can be scaled back by more considered structure to arguments?
As always, constructive challenge of us is welcome. Keeps things fresh. 👍🏼
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Post by mosher on Dec 2, 2022 9:48:35 GMT 1
That could be clit though which is very much part of the problem what is this clit? I've heard of it but never found one... South Park movie has instructions |
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Post by rickrast on Dec 2, 2022 11:28:40 GMT 1
"Card"....bizarre.
Our lady members might be more comfortable with the gentler "front bum"......as in, say, "All Leeds fans are fucking front bums!"
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Post by detox on Dec 2, 2022 15:33:49 GMT 1
Quite simply, as a collective, we decided to instigate it as a trial to see if it would be noticed, and if it was, would there be objection to it. As with all things Graham, change occurs. It's not as simple to say swearing is allowed, you know some words carry more gravitas than others. In addition, before its suggested, we do not envisage a poll where people can cherry pick words from a humungous list. But 'mong' is okay...? |
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Post by Wingman on Dec 2, 2022 21:39:49 GMT 1
Quite simply, as a collective, we decided to instigate it as a trial to see if it would be noticed, and if it was, would there be objection to it. As with all things Graham, change occurs. It's not as simple to say swearing is allowed, you know some words carry more gravitas than others. In addition, before its suggested, we do not envisage a poll where people can cherry pick words from a humungous list. But 'mong' is okay...? The particular C word was chosen at the time as it was being used a lot detox, it doesn’t mean that that ‘Mong’ or any other insult are less demeaning. As Keith said above, we aren’t going to get into a mass debate; sometimes we have to test ideas as Admins, and this was one of those instances. |
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Post by Wingman on Dec 2, 2022 21:40:27 GMT 1
what is this clit? I've heard of it but never found one... South Park movie has instructions I blame Canada. |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Dec 2, 2022 22:09:15 GMT 1
The particular C word was chosen at the time as it was being used a lot detox, it doesn’t mean that that ‘Mong’ or any other insult are less demeaning. As Keith said above, we aren’t going to get into a mass debate; sometimes we have to test ideas as Admins, and this was one of those instances. But there was a poll ran that overwhelmingly said that our words shouldn't be censored...And then you guys made a unilateral decision to implement your own policy regardless. Always remember, you are custodians, not owners of DATM. Unquestionably, you do a fine and thankless job for zero reward. But, making such a change after 15 years with no consultation seems to overstep the mark. |
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Post by est1908 on Dec 2, 2022 23:57:50 GMT 1
Just make it default to Scunthorpe - a nice homage to the Rivals days,,,  |
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Post by detox on Dec 3, 2022 10:37:46 GMT 1
The particular C word was chosen at the time as it was being used a lot detox , it doesn’t mean that that ‘Mong’ or any other insult are less demeaning. As Keith said above, we aren’t going to get into a mass debate; sometimes we have to test ideas as Admins, and this was one of those instances. So you're basically saying you can use certain demeaning words provided you don't use them too much ?
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Post by Wingman on Dec 3, 2022 11:01:10 GMT 1
The particular C word was chosen at the time as it was being used a lot detox, it doesn’t mean that that ‘Mong’ or any other insult are less demeaning. As Keith said above, we aren’t going to get into a mass debate; sometimes we have to test ideas as Admins, and this was one of those instances. But there was a poll ran that overwhelmingly said that our words shouldn't be censored...And then you guys made a unilateral decision to implement your own policy regardless. Always remember, you are custodians, not owners of DATM. Unquestionably, you do a fine and thankless job for zero reward. But, making such a change after 15 years with no consultation seems to overstep the mark. There isn’t any doubt we know we are just custodians as you say. Who knows how other possible Admins would run the place? It was a tester, not a permanent change as I’ve explained. Something so major as that change being introduced would indeed be run by the membership first and there doesn’t feel to be any need to run that poll again currently. I’d say we are pretty much a hands-off team so far, where possible, but have to keep our hands on the steering wheel occasionally. |
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Post by Wingman on Dec 3, 2022 11:04:38 GMT 1
The particular C word was chosen at the time as it was being used a lot detox , it doesn’t mean that that ‘Mong’ or any other insult are less demeaning. As Keith said above, we aren’t going to get into a mass debate; sometimes we have to test ideas as Admins, and this was one of those instances. So you're basically saying you can use certain demeaning words provided you don't use them too much ? No. This is why we have a team of Admins. I might feel one word is abhorrent but Keith or Overton may feel differently, etc. As you can see from this thread, some posters don’t mind the C word being used but you don’t like ‘Mong’ being chucked about. That’s understandable. I’ve used the word myself once on here and I regret it, you live and learn. All I can say is we have to review the context of how the word was used and act if needed. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Dec 3, 2022 12:24:20 GMT 1
Decent conversation, thanks for responding admins. Appreciate your openness
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2022 17:59:17 GMT 1
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It's almost as if wasting time and effort trying to ban certain words is rather futile and inconsequential, and perhaps there might be better ways to combat malicious intent on a messageboard - by focussing on intent, rather than language.
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Post by est1908 on Dec 3, 2022 18:41:48 GMT 1
cuñt cuńt çunt ćunt čunt cûnt cünt cùnt cúnt cūnt It's almost as if wasting time and effort trying to ban certain words is rather futile and inconsequential, and perhaps there might be better ways to combat malicious intent on a messageboard - by focussing on intent, rather than language. What was your previous username? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2022 18:53:23 GMT 1
cuñt cuńt çunt ćunt čunt cûnt cünt cùnt cúnt cūnt It's almost as if wasting time and effort trying to ban certain words is rather futile and inconsequential, and perhaps there might be better ways to combat malicious intent on a messageboard - by focussing on intent, rather than language. What was your previous username? marcusfromkent |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 3, 2022 19:21:42 GMT 1
cuñt cuńt çunt ćunt čunt cûnt cünt cùnt cúnt cūnt It's almost as if wasting time and effort trying to ban certain words is rather futile and inconsequential, and perhaps there might be better ways to combat malicious intent on a messageboard - by focussing on intent, rather than language. Any malicious intent will of course be dealt with in accordance with the rules of the message board. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2022 19:31:49 GMT 1
cuñt cuńt çunt ćunt čunt cûnt cünt cùnt cúnt cūnt It's almost as if wasting time and effort trying to ban certain words is rather futile and inconsequential, and perhaps there might be better ways to combat malicious intent on a messageboard - by focussing on intent, rather than language. Any malicious intent will of course be dealt with in accordance with the rules of the message board. Against whom, though? Not being confrontational by the way, please don't take it as such. There are corners of this forum where some outrageous examples of bigotry seem to go unchecked; but I presume that if I were to call someone, say, a racist cūnt - I'd be the one facing sanctions? |
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Post by Wingman on Dec 6, 2022 15:25:22 GMT 1
Any malicious intent will of course be dealt with in accordance with the rules of the message board. Against whom, though? Not being confrontational by the way, please don't take it as such. There are corners of this forum where some outrageous examples of bigotry seem to go unchecked; but I presume that if I were to call someone, say, a racist cūnt - I'd be the one facing sanctions? We can only police what we see, and we don't see everything. It's just not possible, even with a thousand Admins. We have and do still encourage reporting of the posts that cross the line, and where possible give our reasoning for and against taking action. |
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