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Post by townarentbest on May 25, 2023 8:58:10 GMT 1
Most 'completed passes' Tom Lees - aye, mainly back to the bloody keeper  Maybe it means 'passes completed to most people' and they're counting every pass that went into the crowd? Matty Pearson is Top Trump on that, even with the limited games he played!! ...demonstrating that its not all about having the best, most technically skilful footballers on the pitch. |
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Post by 3Pipe on May 25, 2023 9:22:13 GMT 1
There was a period there, pre-Warnock, when Lees was giving him a run for his money.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 25, 2023 9:37:45 GMT 1
Most 'completed passes' Tom Lees - aye, mainly back to the bloody keeper Does show how meaningless a lot of these stats are. Nicholls most touches in the defensive area. Who'd have thunk it. |
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Post by Tiro on May 25, 2023 9:54:58 GMT 1
Most 'completed passes' Tom Lees - aye, mainly back to the bloody keeper Does show how meaningless a lot of these stats are. Nicholls most touches in the defensive area. Who'd have thunk it. To the average punter, sure. But not meaningless at all if you apply it in the right context. FYI, touches means at his feet with the ball. Not in total. |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 25, 2023 10:09:08 GMT 1
Does show how meaningless a lot of these stats are. Nicholls most touches in the defensive area. Who'd have thunk it. To the average punter, sure. But not meaningless at all if you apply it in the right context. FYI, touches means at his feet with the ball. Not in total. Surely the context of Tom Lees completed passing stats are that he played pretty much every minute of the season and spent a lot of time passing it 10 yards to the side to the other centre backs under no pressure at all. Not sure what there is to get out of a stat like that which is why I think its a bit meaningless. And isnt 'touches in your own box' always going to be the keeper? |
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Post by trotsky on May 25, 2023 10:21:18 GMT 1
As someone who commutes into Leeds on public transport every day I think I'm in a position to say that Northern friendky chatter is a total myth. No one speaks to anyone. Heads down into the phone. Which is how I like it to be honest. Nowt worse than some weirdo forcing conversation on you at 7.30 am.. However, my wife finds the friendliness to be much more when we've gone north, and my stepdaughter (who has lived in 1 town and 2 cities in the Midlands) recently moved to Leeds and she's said he same, so who knows?
Back in 2001 when the firm I worked for began rolling out a new UK IT system, loads of people from all over the country were brought together to work on the implementation project teams. This involved a few southerners staying up north (Sheffield) for the first time in their lives. I remember one of them being completely astonished when a stranger spoke to him in a supermarket, he reckoned it was the first time he'd ever had that happen. This baffled me a bit as I've lived up here all my life and it was just normal, so I went around and asked a few more about their experiences and pretty much to a man, they reckoned it was much friendlier up here. They were confused as to why everyone in Sheffield called them 'duck' though...
I think there is a bit of truth in this sketch...
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Post by Tiro on May 25, 2023 10:27:52 GMT 1
To the average punter, sure. But not meaningless at all if you apply it in the right context. FYI, touches means at his feet with the ball. Not in total. Surely the context of Tom Lees completed passing stats are that he played pretty much every minute of the season and spent a lot of time passing it 10 yards to the side to the other centre backs under no pressure at all. Not sure what there is to get out of a stat like that which is why I think its a bit meaningless. And isnt 'touches in your own box' always going to be the keeper? Because what you have done is take a stat and create your own perception, driven mostly by memory and tainted by human emotion as all decisions are. It may be correct, but football is riddled with such conclusions: he can’t play there, he can’t play in a two, that team just hoofs it, he’s lazy etc etc. we had it this very season; we need at least x amount of possession to influence/win games. In the cold light of day, that singular stat may tell us little. But combined with data that tells us when, how and where it occurs builds a picture that the naked eye may not see. For instance, it may show that Lees isn’t the problem (if there is one), it may show us that the issue lies with those that supply the pass or the positioning of the team in such instances. And it could be key to correcting how we want to play. There are many ways this singular stat could be applied. Also, turn it on its head and such data can be used to inform how we setup or attack / press. And before we go into the chat around modern football and over complicating it etc, the masters of the modern game (be it Pep, Ancelotti, Mourinho, Wenger et al) are all data nuts and have teams to deceived to collection and analysis as they search for the smallest of advantages or corrections. It’s rare you see a sub coming on in the PL without staring at an iPad these days and what they’re looking at isn’t just dots on a pitch; it’s all driven by analytics and illustrated in its most simplistic form. |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 25, 2023 10:51:22 GMT 1
Surely the context of Tom Lees completed passing stats are that he played pretty much every minute of the season and spent a lot of time passing it 10 yards to the side to the other centre backs under no pressure at all. Not sure what there is to get out of a stat like that which is why I think its a bit meaningless. And isnt 'touches in your own box' always going to be the keeper? Because what you have done is take a stat and create your own perception, driven mostly by memory and tainted by human emotion as all decisions are. It may be correct, but football is riddled with such conclusions: he can’t play there, he can’t play in a two, that team just hoofs it, he’s lazy etc etc. we had it this very season; we need at least x amount of possession to influence/win games. In the cold light of day, that singular stat may tell us little. But combined with data that tells us when, how and where it occurs builds a picture that the naked eye may not see. For instance, it may show that Lees isn’t the problem (if there is one), it may show us that the issue lies with those that supply the pass or the positioning of the team in such instances. And it could be key to correcting how we want to play. There are many ways this singular stat could be applied. Also, turn it on its head and such data can be used to inform how we setup or attack / press. And before we go into the chat around modern football and over complicating it etc, the masters of the modern game (be it Pep, Ancelotti, Mourinho, Wenger et al) are all data nuts and have teams to deceived to collection and analysis as they search for the smallest of advantages or corrections. It’s rare you see a sub coming on in the PL without staring at an iPad these days and what they’re looking at isn’t just dots on a pitch; it’s all driven by analytics and illustrated in its most simplistic form. Yeah I get that. What I think youre saying is that a stat alone can be pretty meaningless ( this Tom Lees one for example ) but when viewed alongside lots of other data, can say something worthwhile. But I think a lot of stats when listed in such a way dont have any meaning to them. For example a teams top scorer could be the penalty taker ( if they get a lot of pens ) Doesnt mean that player is the best striker.. he could be a full back. Someone who takes all the set pieces and corners etc is likely to be the top assist maker. Doesnt mean he necessarily that good at picking a pass in open play. I think the assist stat is a particularly deceptive one and it gets given out a lot. Make a brilliant killer through ball to your team mate in front of goal.. if he misses you dont get an assist. Tap the ball a yard to the left for your team mate to blast it in from 40 yards, then you do. As you say , they kind of need a lot more context to them to be valuable. |
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Post by rockwall on May 25, 2023 11:16:47 GMT 1
Because what you have done is take a stat and create your own perception, driven mostly by memory and tainted by human emotion as all decisions are. It may be correct, but football is riddled with such conclusions: he can’t play there, he can’t play in a two, that team just hoofs it, he’s lazy etc etc. we had it this very season; we need at least x amount of possession to influence/win games. In the cold light of day, that singular stat may tell us little. But combined with data that tells us when, how and where it occurs builds a picture that the naked eye may not see. For instance, it may show that Lees isn’t the problem (if there is one), it may show us that the issue lies with those that supply the pass or the positioning of the team in such instances. And it could be key to correcting how we want to play. There are many ways this singular stat could be applied. Also, turn it on its head and such data can be used to inform how we setup or attack / press. And before we go into the chat around modern football and over complicating it etc, the masters of the modern game (be it Pep, Ancelotti, Mourinho, Wenger et al) are all data nuts and have teams to deceived to collection and analysis as they search for the smallest of advantages or corrections. It’s rare you see a sub coming on in the PL without staring at an iPad these days and what they’re looking at isn’t just dots on a pitch; it’s all driven by analytics and illustrated in its most simplistic form. Yeah I get that. What I think youre saying is that a stat alone can be pretty meaningless ( this Tom Lees one for example ) but when viewed alongside lots of other data, can say something worthwhile. But I think a lot of stats when listed in such a way dont have any meaning to them. For example a teams top scorer could be the penalty taker ( if they get a lot of pens ) Doesnt mean that player is the best striker.. he could be a full back. Someone who takes all the set pieces and corners etc is likely to be the top assist maker. Doesnt mean he necessarily that good at picking a pass in open play. I think the assist stat is a particularly deceptive one and it gets given out a lot. Make a brilliant killer through ball to your team mate in front of goal.. if he misses you dont get an assist. Tap the ball a yard to the left for your team mate to blast it in from 40 yards, then you do. As you say , they kind of need a lot more context to them to be valuable. Personally, the stat would be better if it was 'most successful forward passes'. |
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Post by townarentbest on May 25, 2023 13:36:58 GMT 1
Yeah I get that. What I think youre saying is that a stat alone can be pretty meaningless ( this Tom Lees one for example ) but when viewed alongside lots of other data, can say something worthwhile. But I think a lot of stats when listed in such a way dont have any meaning to them. For example a teams top scorer could be the penalty taker ( if they get a lot of pens ) Doesnt mean that player is the best striker.. he could be a full back. Someone who takes all the set pieces and corners etc is likely to be the top assist maker. Doesnt mean he necessarily that good at picking a pass in open play. I think the assist stat is a particularly deceptive one and it gets given out a lot. Make a brilliant killer through ball to your team mate in front of goal.. if he misses you dont get an assist. Tap the ball a yard to the left for your team mate to blast it in from 40 yards, then you do. As you say , they kind of need a lot more context to them to be valuable. Personally, the stat would be better if it was 'most successful forward passes'. Tom Lees this season has had the second (to Rudoni) most successful stat of progressive passes in the club if that helps. Progressive passes are those that move the ball upfield at least 10 yards further than its furthest point upfield in the previous six passes assuming the prior possession lasted that long, or ANY pass completed into the penalty area. Notably, passes from the defending 40% of the pitch are not included in the Progressive Passes stat (recorded by Opta). 122 for Lees, 130 for Rudoni....next closest are Hogg 83, Ruffels 81, Helik 52, Kasumu 51 and Holmes 51. Incredibly in terms of RECIEVING progressive passes (ie - who are forward attacking balls typically being passed on to), Rudoni tops that too with 169. Thomas 129, Ward 11, Rhodes 79, Holmes 71, Koroma 60.... For completeness, in terms of Progressive Carries (similar measure to the above, in that its talking about carrying the ball 10 yards further upfield than any of the previous six passes took it, but in this case, excludes carries that END in the defending end of the pitch)... Rudoni tops this with 87, then its... Thomas 58, Holmes, 51, Koroma 41, Kasumu 40, Ruffels 38, Diarra 27, Hungbo 20. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 26, 2023 13:08:46 GMT 1
Probably been briefed on the strange northern custom of saying hello to strangers. As someone who commutes into Leeds on public transport every day I think I'm in a position to say that Northern friendky chatter is a total myth. No one speaks to anyone. Heads down into the phone. Which is how I like it to be honest. Nowt worse than some weirdo forcing conversation on you at 7.30 am.. Have you just called me a weirdo? Can't argue, really 😄 |
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Post by ACW on May 26, 2023 14:14:11 GMT 1
Probably been briefed on the strange northern custom of saying hello to strangers. As someone who commutes into Leeds on public transport every day I think I'm in a position to say that Northern friendky chatter is a total myth. No one speaks to anyone. Heads down into the phone. Which is how I like it to be honest. Nowt worse than some weirdo forcing conversation on you at 7.30 am.. I've lived in Huddersfield for just short of 50 years, except a three year period when I lived in London. The suggestion that Northerners are more friendly is a myth. Huddersfield is absolutely full of miserable fuckers! |
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Post by Porrohman on May 26, 2023 14:59:07 GMT 1
As someone who commutes into Leeds on public transport every day I think I'm in a position to say that Northern friendky chatter is a total myth. No one speaks to anyone. Heads down into the phone. Which is how I like it to be honest. Nowt worse than some weirdo forcing conversation on you at 7.30 am.. I've lived in Huddersfield for just short of 50 years, except a three year period when I lived in London. The suggestion that Northerners are more friendly is a myth. Huddersfield is absolutely full of miserable fuckers! Maybe it's just something about you 🤔😉😁 |
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Post by mosher on May 26, 2023 15:23:43 GMT 1
I've lived down south (Wiltshire and West Sussex) and I've lived abroad (Germany and HK) and I've got to say I get more "good mornings" (or guten tags or ney-ho/jo-san) here than any of the other 4 places. And when I lived in West Sussex, if you said morning to a stranger they looked at you like you'd sprouted an extra head. And don't get me started on calling anyone love when they've served you!!!!! I agree about a proper full-on chat with strangers at shit o'clock in the morning though, that's just weird |
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Post by detox on May 26, 2023 16:23:02 GMT 1
I live in the centre of Leeds (sorry) and when I was having brief aimless walk one Sunday, I walked past him and said "hello Jack". I probably caught him off guard, but he still in a very politely manner said hello back. Hopefully, I didn't freak him out too much 😃 Probably been briefed on the strange northern custom of saying hello to strangers. Reminds me of that Derek and Clive sketch....... |
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Post by sabailand on May 26, 2023 16:30:05 GMT 1
I've lived down south (Wiltshire and West Sussex) and I've lived abroad (Germany and HK) and I've got to say I get more "good mornings" (or guten tags or ney-ho/jo-san) here than any of the other 4 places. And when I lived in West Sussex, if you said morning to a stranger they looked at you like you'd sprouted an extra head. And don't get me started on calling anyone love when they've served you!!!!! I agree about a proper full-on chat with strangers at shit o'clock in the morning though, that's just weird I too quite like it when you get a good morning and a smile off a stranger, but yeah some people can be a bit over familiar, they may well have no bad intentions but its still a bit weird when they talk to you like they've known you all their life. |
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Post by 28901 on May 26, 2023 19:45:51 GMT 1
As someone who commutes into Leeds on public transport every day I think I'm in a position to say that Northern friendky chatter is a total myth. No one speaks to anyone. Heads down into the phone. Which is how I like it to be honest. Nowt worse than some weirdo forcing conversation on you at 7.30 am.. Have you just called me a weirdo? Can't argue, really 😄 You don't get the Park and Ride from Elland Road do you? |
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