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Post by Dan on Feb 1, 2023 16:32:20 GMT 1
Makes sense in all honesty. Vaclik is coming in to be No.1 until the end of the season. Bilo is obviously seen as the best out of him, Schofield, Chapman and Gio. Schofield and Gio have gone out on loan. They obviously don't think that Chapman will put enough pressure on Bilo, so Jordan Smith has obviously been brought in to put that bit of pressure on Bilo for a place on the bench. With 47 Championship appearances and over 4,000 Championship minutes under his belt, he's a good, most likely very cheap, option. It also potentially allows us to get Chapman out to the National League, which would aid his continuous development Understandable and good decision The lateness of the deal shows how it was probably the last choice in how we wanted to use up our 5th loan, seeing as only 5 loans can be in a matchday squad. Sounds like we were getting rejections left, right and centre for outfield players so instead bent over and took whatever cast off that fat Greek criminal wanted to throw our way. |
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Post by deepc on Feb 1, 2023 16:37:12 GMT 1
So, not a case of looking at Vaclik after we signed him and thinking that he is going to miss more than he will play?
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Post by Tiro on Feb 1, 2023 16:39:42 GMT 1
Makes sense in all honesty. Vaclik is coming in to be No.1 until the end of the season. Bilo is obviously seen as the best out of him, Schofield, Chapman and Gio. Schofield and Gio have gone out on loan. They obviously don't think that Chapman will put enough pressure on Bilo, so Jordan Smith has obviously been brought in to put that bit of pressure on Bilo for a place on the bench. With 47 Championship appearances and over 4,000 Championship minutes under his belt, he's a good, most likely very cheap, option. It also potentially allows us to get Chapman out to the National League, which would aid his continuous development Understandable and good decision The lateness of the deal shows how it was probably the last choice in how we wanted to use up our 5th loan, seeing as only 5 loans can be in a matchday squad. Sounds like we were getting rejections left, right and centre for outfield players so instead bent over and took whatever cast off that fat Greek criminal wanted to throw our way. Oh shit. In my haste to question the purpose of signing Smith, I’ve only just realised the link. FFS. Let’s be honest, we’re one of the biggest facilitators for ‘that fat Greek criminal’ to launder his cash. He must have some dirt on the club otherwise I have no idea why we’re so eager to please his desire to ruin us by a thousand cuts. I wonder if one or both result in an agreement to delay or reduce funds for Toffs and LOB. Stranger things have happened. And this is Town in 2023. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Feb 1, 2023 16:45:29 GMT 1
I go watch Crawley every now and then and probably will go to their home game v Crewe in 10 days time, as well as seeing them when the postponed game at Sutton is finally played. I also go on their forum at times but I’ve never registered. They’re happy to see Ryan Schofield join.
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Feb 1, 2023 16:49:44 GMT 1
I’ve never known us have such a big squad and for it to be some completely and hopelessly unbalanced. What does this say to Bilo?
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Post by crux on Feb 1, 2023 16:54:52 GMT 1
Makes sense in all honesty. Vaclik is coming in to be No.1 until the end of the season. Bilo is obviously seen as the best out of him, Schofield, Chapman and Gio. Schofield and Gio have gone out on loan. They obviously don't think that Chapman will put enough pressure on Bilo, so Jordan Smith has obviously been brought in to put that bit of pressure on Bilo for a place on the bench. With 47 Championship appearances and over 4,000 Championship minutes under his belt, he's a good, most likely very cheap, option. It also potentially allows us to get Chapman out to the National League, which would aid his continuous development Understandable and good decision Stop that, it makes far too much sense for this place. Burn him, he's a witch  |
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Post by bleaklow on Feb 1, 2023 16:55:07 GMT 1
Will we ever know which outfield players turned us down? Surely, one of the 'know it alls' on here will be able to inform us.
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Post by kjf on Feb 1, 2023 16:58:34 GMT 1
Smith is 3rd choice
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Post by Dan on Feb 1, 2023 17:01:29 GMT 1
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 1, 2023 17:18:35 GMT 1
Who cares about him, he's shit. A lubed up, musclebound Usain Bolt from Wish. Shit in what way ? At Premier league standard or championship? He's played once for Villa in the Championship and 34 times for Boro, 6 years ago. All his Wolves career has been in the Greedy League where he hasn't stood out except for vaseline consumption as he gets greased up. |
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Post by Tiro on Feb 1, 2023 17:24:13 GMT 1
Shit in what way ? At Premier league standard or championship? He's played once for Villa in the Championship and 34 times for Boro, 6 years ago. All his Wolves career has been in the Greedy League where he hasn't stood out except for vaseline consumption as he gets greased up. ‘Where he hasn’t stood out’. 😂 Yeah, Barce just take a punt on any old chancer these days. |
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Post by arry11 on Feb 1, 2023 17:47:39 GMT 1
Shit in what way ? At Premier league standard or championship? He's played once for Villa in the Championship and 34 times for Boro, 6 years ago. All his Wolves career has been in the Greedy League where he hasn't stood out except for vaseline consumption as he gets greased up. Give up him and Raúl Jiménez were giving teams nightmares and a few bigger teams began looking at him. Yes he as dropped off a bit now but so have Wolves. |
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Post by 4 pts on Feb 1, 2023 17:53:37 GMT 1
Shit in what way ? At Premier league standard or championship? He's played once for Villa in the Championship and 34 times for Boro, 6 years ago. All his Wolves career has been in the Greedy League where he hasn't stood out except for vaseline consumption as he gets greased up. He does divide opinion Porrohman but he was and is better than both players we brought in because of the deal not getting done in time. The other thing to take into account and probably most important is that his value wouldn't have depreciated. We would have got our money back and maybe made a profit. Those 2 clowns cost us in the region of £25m including wages. Thats half of what Hoyles asking to be repaid |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Feb 1, 2023 18:03:43 GMT 1
Not sure why we need to put pressure on our sub keeper to make him up his game!
Why not bring someone in to put pressure on our goal shy strikers? Or our woeful midfield?? Or our dreadful left back???
My guess is that Vaclis is crocked but they were so desperate to sign a ‘name’ they took a pint on him anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 18:16:31 GMT 1
Not sure why we need to put pressure on our sub keeper to make him up his game! Why not bring someone in to put pressure on our goal shy strikers? Or our woeful midfield?? Or our dreadful left back??? My guess is that Vaclis is crocked but they were so desperate to sign a ‘name’ they took a pint on him anyway. Would that be beer shampoo for his impressive beard? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 18:37:27 GMT 1
It looks like Vaclik had been pushed out by Alexandros Paschalakis. He is the first choice keeper for Greece, and looks pretty good if YouTube can be trusted. Same age but I assume it is better for Olympiacos to have him in goal than a Czech. Paschalakis took the No.1 spot when Vaclik was injured. Let's hope Vaclik is OK because he is a very good keeper if on his game.
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 1, 2023 19:26:14 GMT 1
Well... that's it then. Another thread on DATM confirmed it. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 1, 2023 19:49:44 GMT 1
He's played once for Villa in the Championship and 34 times for Boro, 6 years ago. All his Wolves career has been in the Greedy League where he hasn't stood out except for vaseline consumption as he gets greased up. ‘Where he hasn’t stood out’. 😂 Yeah, Barce just take a punt on any old chancer these days. He played 11 times in half a season and was so good they decided not to take up the option to sign him 🤔. He doesn't score many goals or assist many either. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Feb 1, 2023 20:20:26 GMT 1
Shit in what way ? At Premier league standard or championship? He's played once for Villa in the Championship and 34 times for Boro, 6 years ago. All his Wolves career has been in the Greedy League where he hasn't stood out except for vaseline consumption as he gets greased up. You called him shit, so I will ask the question more clearly. Are you saying he would be a shit player in the championship and not good enough for us as that is how your initial post read to Me? |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 1, 2023 20:31:24 GMT 1
He's played once for Villa in the Championship and 34 times for Boro, 6 years ago. All his Wolves career has been in the Greedy League where he hasn't stood out except for vaseline consumption as he gets greased up. You called him shit, so I will ask the question more clearly. Are you saying he would be a shit player in the championship and not good enough for us as that is how your initial post read to Me? I think he's shit. I've never seen him play well. He's fast, that's it. My post had nothing to do with Town. |
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Post by ben1987 on Feb 1, 2023 20:33:19 GMT 1
I just can’t get my head around the way in which Hoyles gone about the last 9 months. 2 atrocious managerial appointments. Cutting the wage bill. A scatter gun of youth signings and possibles. No plan, no structure, no balance, no idea. A clear attempt at doing it as cheaply as possible. Then, come January after let’s be honest, a fucking abysmal season so far, we go spend strong money on loans and perms on experience on good wages yet still no plan, structure, no structure, no balance and still no idea. Why the hell didn’t we just spend more wisely in the summer? It’s complete self destruction and self sabotage by ourselves. All we had to do was do our business early, sensibly and to a plan in the summer and we would be absolutely no where near this position. I said before January that the best signing we could make in the transfer window was a manager, sadly we haven’t and I think we are staring down the barrel. We look all over the place off the field, It looks like panic stations, a guess who game being played by Bromby who looks to have completely lost his way. Nothing I hear coming out of town is positive and all I see is chaos, I really hope we stay up, it’s paramount for the future of the club but I’m deeply concerned. God help the season ticket sales for next season. To give some charity... An established international in Yuta for free, whilst pocketing whatever proportion of the fee we took for Toffolo without the benefit of hindsight looks like a strong decision. Helik + Boyle + Mbete to replace Colwill + Sarr looks like an understandable and reasonable move. We were never going to get anyone as good as Colwill without it being a complete fluke. Mbete MIGHT have been that fluke. We'd have expected Tino to be better than Sinani - another good decision - its easy to say, "but he's always injured" - but this seasons injury is an impact one-off injury, not some kind of ongoing long-term muscle issue - so we've ended up having to play Rudoni who we probably expected to be backfilling Tino from the bench (but there again, how would Sinani have looked if he spent the first 4 months of last season playing variously in roles where Hogg/O'Brien played?) - but he's OURs, not a loan player, and could easily become as good or better than Sinani was when he's got another season or two in his history. KKH well rated - was a reasonable decision to replace what was a bit-part Pipa - he was useless early season - Turton demonstrated what a decent player he is - and then KKH gradually grew into the role when we were forced to play him because of Turtons injury - but can well understand with Turton now returning, and the opportunity to sign Lowton arising, why we'd not expect him to play in this second half of the season. Mahoney might well have been good enough to replace Duane or push Thomas on - but it was a punt - and Duane hasn't really let anyone down in the meantime. Kasumu for O'Brien? Hmmm. Not so convincing. This was the risky one...I GUESS we expected Tino to be winning games in the front third more or less single handedly, abley supported by Sorba, so maybe signing a player more likely to sit alongside Hogg than carry the ball forward leaving Hogg exposed was actually reasonable. And of course then Hogg got injured. I guess what I'm saying is I don't think the main transfers we've made have actually been all that scatter-gun...there's good reasoning behind them all. We couldn't expect the kind of long term injuries to key players that we've had. Yes - we should have brought in a fit striker last summer, and someone "better than" Ruffles - thats all that was missing really. And not have injuries. (and get a decent coach - but again I can understand the reasoning for bringing him in - and he's actually done 'all right' in terms of results, given where we seemed to be heading under Schofield (Schofield being the BIGGEST mistake we made this summer - but that was almost a forced decision after him being open about the offer from Belgium and what we said to keep him here - Schofield with another year or two working with Carlos could easily have been our next decent manager)) You’ve had more come backs than Frank Sinatra. |
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Feb 1, 2023 20:59:17 GMT 1
Anyone noticed alot of our signings involve forests fat corrupt owner
Pipa corberan to olympiacos
Obrien Toffolo to forest
Jordan Smith now to us
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 1, 2023 21:14:16 GMT 1
Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but did LOB move to Blackburn on loan? Appears not from what I can glean online?
More out of interest due to the fact it seemed to be being discussed as a done deal last night?
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Post by Dan on Feb 1, 2023 21:23:17 GMT 1
Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but did LOB move to Blackburn on loan? Appears not from what I can glean online? More out of interest due to the fact it seemed to be being discussed as a done deal last night? They're still waiting for the EFL to confirm. Apparently Blackburn didn't have one of the forms signed in time or something. It's awful news for O'Brien if it hasn't gone through as he isn't in Forests 25 man squad so won't be able to play at all until next season. |
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Post by terrier10 on Feb 1, 2023 21:25:20 GMT 1
Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but did LOB move to Blackburn on loan? Appears not from what I can glean online? More out of interest due to the fact it seemed to be being discussed as a done deal last night? By Alan Nixon Blackburn’s on-off move for Lewis O’Brien move is in the balance … and here is the breakdown of the drama. Deadline day starts with Rovers following up a previous inquiry for the Nottingham Forest midfielder. Rovers are happy to pay his wages in full on loan for the rest of the season and wait on the player to decide. West Brom coach Carlos Corberan wants his old Huddersfield player to join his squad but the club is yet to commit. Sheffield United are desperate for O’Brien and the player is keen on them. However Blades are under a transfer embargo and need to sell Sander Berge. The Norwegian is waiting on Newcastle, who do not seem keen come the crunch. Alternative choices are headed by Brighton but they pull the plug in Moises Caicedo leaving and do not come in. By this point Blackburn have kicked on and say they will take O’Brien and agree to the Forest demand that they sign him for £10 million. This part of the deal hinges on Rovers being promoted and they are happy to do that. Baggies do not want to sign up for that plan. At 3pm on deadline day O’Brien gives the green light to Blackburn and heads to Manchester for a medical. There are no snags and his agents are at Blackburn to sort out terms on the potential full time move at the end of it. O’Brien’s advisors and Blackburn discuss what the wages and length of contract will be in the deal should they go up. Those figures are disclosed and Blackburn are not out off, but no contract for that eventuality is signed. Paperwork is done and sent over for the loan but the timing is delayed by those discussions over the future of the player AFTER the end of the season. There are no problems again and Forest say they are happy for the deal to go ahead on the basis agreed between the clubs. In the frantic final minutes O’Brien, who did his interview with the club press, was interrupted just before the deadline to sign the form. But then it is discovered that ONE signed form that was needed for the deal to proceed was not sent off after it was signed before 11pm. Now the EFL are looking into the details and the explanations of the case - among several others that are also borderline decisions. Then the recent update: By Alan Nixon Blackburn Rovers are submitting a detailed case to the EFL to push for Lewis O’Brien’s move to go through. The EFL have not accepted the registration for the Nottingham Forest midfielder to join Rovers on loan. The deal would also see a potential £10 million switch if Rovers win promotion, making it the BIGGEST transfer this season. Now Rovers will explain why their paperwork included one part that arrived late and hope that the EFL board will accept the explanation. Rovers have until 9am on Friday to state their case and the EFL will then consider the case. The main hold up in talks was over the potential ‘next stage’ of the transfer when Rovers would pay Forest and the player would get a new contract. This may be used to explain why there was a delay in the late deal. The EFL need to be absolutely sure that regulations have been followed as rival clubs will be watching. There have been threatened legal cases in the past and if O’Brien played a part in promotion the details of his transfer could become open to scrutiny. |
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 1, 2023 21:30:36 GMT 1
Forest and Blackburn should both be immediately docked 30 points.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 1, 2023 21:32:19 GMT 1
Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but did LOB move to Blackburn on loan? Appears not from what I can glean online? More out of interest due to the fact it seemed to be being discussed as a done deal last night? By Alan Nixon Blackburn’s on-off move for Lewis O’Brien move is in the balance … and here is the breakdown of the drama. Deadline day starts with Rovers following up a previous inquiry for the Nottingham Forest midfielder. Rovers are happy to pay his wages in full on loan for the rest of the season and wait on the player to decide. West Brom coach Carlos Corberan wants his old Huddersfield player to join his squad but the club is yet to commit. Sheffield United are desperate for O’Brien and the player is keen on them. However Blades are under a transfer embargo and need to sell Sander Berge. The Norwegian is waiting on Newcastle, who do not seem keen come the crunch. Alternative choices are headed by Brighton but they pull the plug in Moises Caicedo leaving and do not come in. By this point Blackburn have kicked on and say they will take O’Brien and agree to the Forest demand that they sign him for £10 million. This part of the deal hinges on Rovers being promoted and they are happy to do that. Baggies do not want to sign up for that plan. At 3pm on deadline day O’Brien gives the green light to Blackburn and heads to Manchester for a medical. There are no snags and his agents are at Blackburn to sort out terms on the potential full time move at the end of it. O’Brien’s advisors and Blackburn discuss what the wages and length of contract will be in the deal should they go up. Those figures are disclosed and Blackburn are not out off, but no contract for that eventuality is signed. Paperwork is done and sent over for the loan but the timing is delayed by those discussions over the future of the player AFTER the end of the season. There are no problems again and Forest say they are happy for the deal to go ahead on the basis agreed between the clubs. In the frantic final minutes O’Brien, who did his interview with the club press, was interrupted just before the deadline to sign the form. But then it is discovered that ONE signed form that was needed for the deal to proceed was not sent off after it was signed before 11pm. Now the EFL are looking into the details and the explanations of the case - among several others that are also borderline decisions. Then the recent update: By Alan Nixon Blackburn Rovers are submitting a detailed case to the EFL to push for Lewis O’Brien’s move to go through. The EFL have not accepted the registration for the Nottingham Forest midfielder to join Rovers on loan. The deal would also see a potential £10 million switch if Rovers win promotion, making it the BIGGEST transfer this season. Now Rovers will explain why their paperwork included one part that arrived late and hope that the EFL board will accept the explanation. Rovers have until 9am on Friday to state their case and the EFL will then consider the case. The main hold up in talks was over the potential ‘next stage’ of the transfer when Rovers would pay Forest and the player would get a new contract. This may be used to explain why there was a delay in the late deal. The EFL need to be absolutely sure that regulations have been followed as rival clubs will be watching. There have been threatened legal cases in the past and if O’Brien played a part in promotion the details of his transfer could become open to scrutiny. Thanks for all that detail. I suppose it just confirms what utter madness the deadline day has become. Pretty much in line with the bonkers eleventh hour way many clubs are run. |
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Post by terrier10 on Feb 1, 2023 21:33:30 GMT 1
Just a quick Copy and Paste 👍🏼😊
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Post by rothwellterrier on Feb 1, 2023 21:34:03 GMT 1
Forest and Blackburn should both be immediately docked 30 points. And we get a percentage of those docked points added as part of a botched sell on clause |
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Post by digs on Feb 1, 2023 22:00:24 GMT 1
If O'brien plays for Blackburn in the playoff final against us and they beat us,we could sue the Efl
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