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Post by colnevalleyblue on Feb 2, 2023 23:04:40 GMT 1
Any protest inside the ground during the match is counter productive imo. We are in a relegation surivial fight. We need to be trying to push our side above that dotted line.
Need to be encouraging and backing them, the same way we did when times were good and we were patting ourselves on the back and saying how marvellous the atmosphere was etc.
If we lose and people want to protest or show their displeasure then at the full time whistle is when to show it but I dont see any value in jeering, booing prior to kick off or during the game. It wont help.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 23:50:03 GMT 1
Protest against what exactly? after the surfeit of shite sandwiches we've had this season - is that even a question? Yes, it is a question. Banners, chants, baring their arses at half time? What are they hoping to achieve by it given the person they would be protesting at wants to be away as quickly as possible but still pumps money into the club. Do they think Vaclík came free with cornflakes? The best way they could help is make a bit more positive noise. |
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Post by krtek on Feb 3, 2023 0:02:28 GMT 1
after the surfeit of shite sandwiches we've had this season - is that even a question? Yes, it is a question. Banners, chants, baring their arses at half time? What are they hoping to achieve by it given the person they would be protesting at wants to be away as quickly as possible but still pumps money into the club. Do they think Vaclík came free with cornflakes? The best way they could help is make a bit more positive noise. People are constantly trying to be reductive about anyone expressing disquiet about how badly run this club has been for years now. There are limits to what positive noise can achieve, just as there are limits to what protests can achieve. I don't see any glaring contradictions with supporting both of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2023 0:06:38 GMT 1
Yes, it is a question. Banners, chants, baring their arses at half time? What are they hoping to achieve by it given the person they would be protesting at wants to be away as quickly as possible but still pumps money into the club. Do they think Vaclík came free with cornflakes? The best way they could help is make a bit more positive noise. People are constantly trying to be reductive about anyone expressing disquiet about how badly run this club has been for years now. There are limits to what positive noise can achieve, just as there are limits to what protests can achieve. I don't see any glaring contradictions with supporting both of them. I agree. The way the club has been run the last few seasons just shows there is absolutely no ambition. The ownership mess needs to be sorted and it is entirely Hoyles fault we are in this mess. He sold to someone that couldn’t afford to back the club because he wanted his money back. His decision to do that but to me it backfired big time and if we go down he will maybe never get any money back out |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2023 0:12:30 GMT 1
Yes, it is a question. Banners, chants, baring their arses at half time? What are they hoping to achieve by it given the person they would be protesting at wants to be away as quickly as possible but still pumps money into the club. Do they think Vaclík came free with cornflakes? The best way they could help is make a bit more positive noise. People are constantly trying to be reductive about anyone expressing disquiet about how badly run this club has been for years now. There are limits to what positive noise can achieve, just as there are limits to what protests can achieve. I don't see any glaring contradictions with supporting both of them. Same question though, how is this protest going to be done, what is going to happen? |
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Post by krtek on Feb 3, 2023 0:18:50 GMT 1
People are constantly trying to be reductive about anyone expressing disquiet about how badly run this club has been for years now. There are limits to what positive noise can achieve, just as there are limits to what protests can achieve. I don't see any glaring contradictions with supporting both of them. Same question though, how is this protest going to be done, what is going to happen? just spray a thousand gallons of industrial strength effluent at Foz |
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Post by bigtruck on Feb 3, 2023 0:24:31 GMT 1
It’s probably 3 at the back but I rather see a 4. Lowton isn’t a WB and Ruffles is poor I’d go Vaclik Lowton. Pearson. Lees. Turton Hogg. Kasumu Holmes. Rudoni. Hungbo Rhodes But I’d love us to go 442 with Waghorn in for Holmes What’s Helic done wrong? I've just not taken to him. I think Lees is better on the ball and Pearson is a better leader but it wouldn't annoy me if Helic did play. I personally don't see a big difference in helic and Boyle. |
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Post by impact on Feb 3, 2023 1:19:27 GMT 1
I've just not taken to him. I think Lees is better on the ball and Pearson is a better leader but it wouldn't annoy me if Helic did play. I personally don't see a big difference in helic and Boyle. If its a 3 we need to go back to Pearson on the right and Lees in the middle. It's where they're comfortable. If Helik can't play on the left then play someone else. His performances haven't been good enough to play 2 others out of position to accommodate him. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 3, 2023 8:28:28 GMT 1
I've just not taken to him. I think Lees is better on the ball and Pearson is a better leader but it wouldn't annoy me if Helic did play. I personally don't see a big difference in helic and Boyle. He's streets ahead of Lees and Boyle |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 3, 2023 8:29:42 GMT 1
I've just not taken to him. I think Lees is better on the ball and Pearson is a better leader but it wouldn't annoy me if Helic did play. I personally don't see a big difference in helic and Boyle. If its a 3 we need to go back to Pearson on the right and Lees in the middle. It's where they're comfortable. If Helik can't play on the left then play someone else. His performances haven't been good enough to play 2 others out of position to accommodate him. Drop the best CB we have to accommodate 3 that aren't as good 🤔 |
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Feb 3, 2023 8:37:12 GMT 1
When did Turton become this quality player who can play anywhere across the back four? He's limited and just about adequate at right back - although looked poor early on this season - If he's ahead of Jackson at left back then the world's gone mad.
It's amazing how good you become when you're out of the side.
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Post by 28901 on Feb 3, 2023 9:20:50 GMT 1
When did Turton become this quality player who can play anywhere across the back four? He's limited and just about adequate at right back - although looked poor early on this season - If he's ahead of Jackson at left back then the world's gone mad. It's amazing how good you become when you're out of the side. RVLP was as good as Pele according to many on here when he wasn't playing. When he finally go back in he was so shit they not only took him off but actually transferred him at half time |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 3, 2023 9:48:34 GMT 1
It's Fotheringham's bullshit roulette Friday 🤣
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Post by durhamterrier on Feb 3, 2023 9:51:20 GMT 1
Think the past few games confirmed to even the happiest clapper that Ruffels isn’t good enough . Not sure why we didn’t go for a left back , especially Toffolo , in January .
If we want to play wing backs , Ben Jackson is streets ahead of Ruffels . If we want a back four then one of Turton , Lowton or even Pearson would be preferred over him .
Also no idea what Kasumu did wrong , stood out against Preston and Rotherham then dropped as soon as High came back . Camara was going through a dip in form and suddenly not in the 18.
I’m all for picking best trainers but dropping strong players from a match day 18 just baffles me.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Feb 3, 2023 10:28:34 GMT 1
Think the past few games confirmed to even the happiest clapper that Ruffels isn’t good enough . Not sure why we didn’t go for a left back , especially Toffolo , in January . If we want to play wing backs , Ben Jackson is streets ahead of Ruffels . If we want a back four then one of Turton , Lowton or even Pearson would be preferred over him . Also no idea what Kasumu did wrong , stood out against Preston and Rotherham then dropped as soon as High came back . Camara was going through a dip in form and suddenly not in the 18. I’m all for picking best trainers but dropping strong players from a match day 18 just baffles me. Pretty sure he was all set for Anderlecht until Forest realised one of their LBs was going to be out injured for longer than expected. Agree with everything else you say. |
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 3, 2023 12:11:43 GMT 1
Protest against what exactly? after the surfeit of shite sandwiches we've had this season - is that even a question? Yes it is a serious question. What is the protest about, who is it aimed at and what are the desired outcomes? Is it aimed at DH and/or PH? Is it aimed at Bromby? Is it aimed at Fotheringham? Is it aimed at Baldwin? Is it aimed at the players? If there is a protest, what are the protesters protesting about, who's it aimed at and what are the protesters desired outcomes. Or is it just a protest for the sake of a protest. Honest question and not having a go at anyone or saying a protest shouldn't happen |
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Post by impact on Feb 3, 2023 12:19:02 GMT 1
If its a 3 we need to go back to Pearson on the right and Lees in the middle. It's where they're comfortable. If Helik can't play on the left then play someone else. His performances haven't been good enough to play 2 others out of position to accommodate him. Drop the best CB we have to accommodate 3 that aren't as good 🤔 What makes him our best CB? I wasn't seeing what others did so I watched him more during games recently, and I still don't really get it. I made a point before that middle CB in a 3 is the easiest. You have less pressure with the ball, more cover around you if you're out of position and are rarely 1 on 1 unlike the wide centre halves. I think that's part of the reason Lees isn't playing as well as last year, along with a general drop in performance. Just have a watch back of the goals we've conceded in the past 5 or 6 games back to and including Watford and focus on Helik. I'm not saying they were all or solely his fault at all before someone claims that, but I'd be interested to see your thoughts on his positioning and/or decision making for them. Happy to share my views afterwards (or before if you want but didn't want to influence too much). |
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Post by stinkypete on Feb 3, 2023 12:33:26 GMT 1
Think the past few games confirmed to even the happiest clapper that Ruffels isn’t good enough . Not sure why we didn’t go for a left back , especially Toffolo , in January . If we want to play wing backs , Ben Jackson is streets ahead of Ruffels . If we want a back four then one of Turton , Lowton or even Pearson would be preferred over him . Also no idea what Kasumu did wrong , stood out against Preston and Rotherham then dropped as soon as High came back . Camara was going through a dip in form and suddenly not in the 18. I’m all for picking best trainers but dropping strong players from a match day 18 just baffles me. High walking straight back into our starting 11 when deemed not good enough by Rotherham, and also offering absolutely nothing whatsoever when he has played for us is an absolute mystery to me! I’ll be dumbfounded if he starts tomorrow, wouldn’t have him anywhere near match day squad! |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 3, 2023 12:56:23 GMT 1
Drop the best CB we have to accommodate 3 that aren't as good 🤔 What makes him our best CB? I wasn't seeing what others did so I watched him more during games recently, and I still don't really get it. I made a point before that middle CB in a 3 is the easiest. You have less pressure with the ball, more cover around you if you're out of position and are rarely 1 on 1 unlike the wide centre halves. I think that's part of the reason Lees isn't playing as well as last year, along with a general drop in performance. Just have a watch back of the goals we've conceded in the past 5 or 6 games back to and including Watford and focus on Helik. I'm not saying they were all or solely his fault at all before someone claims that, but I'd be interested to see your thoughts on his positioning and/or decision making for them. Happy to share my views afterwards (or before if you want but didn't want to influence too much). Not only is Helik our best defender, he's also our most consistent performer in the whole team. Helik v Lees defensive stats this season. Successful tackles per game. Helik 1.2. Lees 0.7. Interceptions Helik 1.9. Lees 1. Blocks Helik 1.4. Lees 0.8. Aerial duels won Helik 3.5. Lees 3.2. Whoscored has him down as comfortably our highest rated overall player with 5 MotM awards. Top player is Helik. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2023 13:01:59 GMT 1
Think the past few games confirmed to even the happiest clapper that Ruffels isn’t good enough . Not sure why we didn’t go for a left back , especially Toffolo , in January . If we want to play wing backs , Ben Jackson is streets ahead of Ruffels . If we want a back four then one of Turton , Lowton or even Pearson would be preferred over him . Also no idea what Kasumu did wrong , stood out against Preston and Rotherham then dropped as soon as High came back . Camara was going through a dip in form and suddenly not in the 18. I’m all for picking best trainers but dropping strong players from a match day 18 just baffles me. High walking straight back into our starting 11 when deemed not good enough by Rotherham, and also offering absolutely nothing whatsoever when he has played for us is an absolute mystery to me! I’ll be dumbfounded if he starts tomorrow, wouldn’t have him anywhere near match day squad! He makes such a good whipping boy it would be a shame to leave him out. The problem with players like High, Hadergjonaj, Holmes, there is a long list, is they make mistakes and some people watch them just looking for more. If we lose, and they are playing, then they were useless. My preferred midfield, in front of Hogg, is Kasumu, Rudoni & Camara. If MF plays High, and he does the job he has been asked to do, then it is down to MF. Tactics, instructions, whatever, but those players always gets pelters. |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Feb 3, 2023 13:03:31 GMT 1
I think I've become as detached from the club as I have in over 20 years. I'm planning to turn up tomorrow and I can't remember the last one I was at, possibly as far back as last October. If I hadn't checked on here first I wouldn't have had any idea who we were playing either. Too many other priorities at the moment. Hoping for a good performance and a win obviously but last few highlights I've watched didn't show much improvement and I'm yet to be convinced by Fotheringham but I'm hardly alone in that regard. Will be interesting to gauge the atmosphere and the genuine turnout on the day rather than official figures which always count no-show SC holders.
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Post by Champers on Feb 3, 2023 13:04:13 GMT 1
What makes him our best CB? I wasn't seeing what others did so I watched him more during games recently, and I still don't really get it. I made a point before that middle CB in a 3 is the easiest. You have less pressure with the ball, more cover around you if you're out of position and are rarely 1 on 1 unlike the wide centre halves. I think that's part of the reason Lees isn't playing as well as last year, along with a general drop in performance. Just have a watch back of the goals we've conceded in the past 5 or 6 games back to and including Watford and focus on Helik. I'm not saying they were all or solely his fault at all before someone claims that, but I'd be interested to see your thoughts on his positioning and/or decision making for them. Happy to share my views afterwards (or before if you want but didn't want to influence too much). Not only is Helik our best defender, he's also our most consistent performer in the whole team. Helik v Lees defensive stats this season. Successful tackles per game. Helik 1.2. Lees 0.7. Interceptions Helik 1.9. Lees 1. Blocks Helik 1.4. Lees 0.8. Aerial duels won Helik 3.5. Lees 3.2. Whoscored has him down as comfortably our highest rated overall player with 5 MotM awards. Top player is Helik. Fully agree with you. Comfortably our best defender. I use Sofascore app and he's the only player out of all of our defenders, full backs included, who has an average performance score of over 7 (7.20) over the past 12 months. For reference, Lees is 2nd with 6.98 |
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Post by stinkypete on Feb 3, 2023 13:13:46 GMT 1
High walking straight back into our starting 11 when deemed not good enough by Rotherham, and also offering absolutely nothing whatsoever when he has played for us is an absolute mystery to me! I’ll be dumbfounded if he starts tomorrow, wouldn’t have him anywhere near match day squad! He makes such a good whipping boy it would be a shame to leave him out. The problem with players like High, Hadergjonaj, Holmes, there is a long list, is they make mistakes and some people watch them just looking for more. If we lose, and they are playing, then they were useless. My preferred midfield, in front of Hogg, is Kasumu, Rudoni & Camara. If MF plays High, and he does the job he has been asked to do, then it is down to MF. Tactics, instructions, whatever, but those players always gets pelters. No he’s absolutely awful, will never be a championship player. It’s not just about mistakes, the games he plays just pass him by, a complete passenger, almost feel sorry for him. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 3, 2023 13:34:01 GMT 1
Drop the best CB we have to accommodate 3 that aren't as good 🤔 What makes him our best CB? I wasn't seeing what others did so I watched him more during games recently, and I still don't really get it. I made a point before that middle CB in a 3 is the easiest. You have less pressure with the ball, more cover around you if you're out of position and are rarely 1 on 1 unlike the wide centre halves. I think that's part of the reason Lees isn't playing as well as last year, along with a general drop in performance. Just have a watch back of the goals we've conceded in the past 5 or 6 games back to and including Watford and focus on Helik. I'm not saying they were all or solely his fault at all before someone claims that, but I'd be interested to see your thoughts on his positioning and/or decision making for them. Happy to share my views afterwards (or before if you want but didn't want to influence too much). I've never seen owwt in Pearson and Lees to suggest they aren't just younger Peter Clarkes, painfully slow, crap on the ball, the turning circle of an oil tanker but will throw themselves into challenges. They both had the season of their careers last season. Lees has been poor this season, I haven't seen Pearson play since he came back. Lees keeps getting the armband when Hoggs out but he shows no leadership qualities. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 3, 2023 13:37:06 GMT 1
I think I've become as detached from the club as I have in over 20 years. I'm planning to turn up tomorrow and I can't remember the last one I was at, possibly as far back as last October. If I hadn't checked on here first I wouldn't have had any idea who we were playing either. Too many other priorities at the moment. Hoping for a good performance and a win obviously but last few highlights I've watched didn't show much improvement and I'm yet to be convinced by Fotheringham but I'm hardly alone in that regard. Will be interesting to gauge the atmosphere and the genuine turnout on the day rather than official figures which always count no-show SC holders. Me too, I'm supposed to be going looking for a car with my daughter tomorrow morning, I've already said it's ok if time runs on and I miss the game. |
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Post by bigtruck on Feb 3, 2023 13:39:09 GMT 1
If its a 3 we need to go back to Pearson on the right and Lees in the middle. It's where they're comfortable. If Helik can't play on the left then play someone else. His performances haven't been good enough to play 2 others out of position to accommodate him. Drop the best CB we have to accommodate 3 that aren't as good 🤔 I don’t know if he is. He’ll head the ball all day long so works in a 3 but on the ball in a 2 personally I think he’s poor. Head and hoof. Hence why I compared him, facetiously I admit, to Boyle. |
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Post by foxtrot666 on Feb 3, 2023 13:49:28 GMT 1
Great chance for a win against a side badly out of form, I'll be disappointed with owt less than 3 points, stating the obvious we really need to start winning games.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 3, 2023 14:08:48 GMT 1
Drop the best CB we have to accommodate 3 that aren't as good 🤔 I don’t know if he is. He’ll head the ball all day long so works in a 3 but on the ball in a 2 personally I think he’s poor. Head and hoof. Hence why I compared him, facetiously I admit, to Boyle. But so are Pearson and, especially, Lees |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 3, 2023 14:09:17 GMT 1
Great chance for a win against a side badly out of form, I'll be disappointed with owt less than 3 points, stating the obvious we really need to start winning games. Great chance for us or them ? 😉 |
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Post by rab030 on Feb 3, 2023 14:30:25 GMT 1
I think I've become as detached from the club as I have in over 20 years. I'm planning to turn up tomorrow and I can't remember the last one I was at, possibly as far back as last October. If I hadn't checked on here first I wouldn't have had any idea who we were playing either. Too many other priorities at the moment. Hoping for a good performance and a win obviously but last few highlights I've watched didn't show much improvement and I'm yet to be convinced by Fotheringham but I'm hardly alone in that regard. Will be interesting to gauge the atmosphere and the genuine turnout on the day rather than official figures which always count no-show SC holders. My advice: Take the wife shopping ! |
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