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Post by morleyterrier on Feb 1, 2023 18:45:55 GMT 1
Could we put them all in goal at the same time? Rhodes wouldn't be any less isolated than he was last week I still maintain with the right service Rhodes can score plenty for us. I think he gets himself in the right areas and has shown he can still find the back of the net. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 1, 2023 18:46:11 GMT 1
Did we lose? I try and avoid this place after a defeat because its really hard not to patronise people who are lashing out and having a hissy fit. Some must have barely had time to draw breath and wipe the snot from their chin since the hissy fit they had when Schofield came back from his Hibs loan, which apparently showed what a car crash this shit club is, etc etc blah blah blah It cant have been one of the many 'must win' games were currently facing because I had a look and were not relegated yet. Ill give you another stat to cheer you up / annoy you, depending on your outlook. 16 league games since our 3-3 draw at luton where Mbete looked all Gordon Tucker until he got hooked at half time. And weve conceded 16 goals in them. 1 goal per game. Neither Wagner's promotion side or Corborans play off side had a defensive record as good as 1 goal conceded per game. So, whilst the attack is still an obvious problem at least the defence has been looking reliably strong for over a third of a season now. Come on Cap'n - you're better than the "hissy fit", "wipe the snot" "blah blah blah" rubbish. You used to debate very effectively (that is not meant patronisingly (your word)) then you got hung up on the "entitled" argument and nearly every one of your posts accuses nearly every one of demanding Hoyle spends more money when the majority of posts do not say that. I wondered how/when "the few" - yourself, Prepare etc - would post after Coventry (the latest in a long line of debacles this season) and we had to wait but your "16 games" answered for me - - why 16 games ? Why not take 20 games, or 10 games ? - are you genuinely happy with our results in the last 16 games ? - do you not think the vast majority of our performances in those 16 games have been poor to very poor ? - are you now happy - bearing in mind our weaknesses all over the pitch - that we now have 5 goalkeepers ??! - don't you think that "our defence looks reliably strong" is because we play 5 at the back with usually 4 defensive midfielders ? How the hell Rhodes ever touches the ball never mind scores is a miracle. I hate the "happy clappers"/"entitled cry babies" insults - we should all be better than that - but if the likes of Bromby and Fotheringham keep apparently making the same mistakes week in week out then surely it's not unreasonable for frustrated supporters to express their disappointment or anger (I'd love to but I can't echo Allan's argument of "it's only a game etc "). Maybe I was better than that ( lots would argue with that  ) but ive been ground down by OPs like the one that started this thread, and theres a steady stream of them these days. A frustrated fan fair enough, but a post full of ridiculous exaggerations , insults to people at our club, and inaccuracies. there was a meltdown the other day because Schofield was recalled from a loan where he hadnt got a single minute of gametime FFS! I dont have anything to say about the cov game because other than the result I dont know anything about it really. Didnt watch it, didnt listen to commentary.. was up a fell in the lakes at the time. But I also avoid this board after a defeat. I dont think Im stretching the truth to say its full of people having a meltdown/ tantrum and frankly I can do without it.. so I give it a day or two. -16 games... just from the Mbete thread because someone suggested he might have had more chances so I looked up how wed done in the time since that disastrous performance he put in at luton and it was 16 games ago. -Am I happy with the results in those 16... well we got 18 points from them so that should be good enough form to see us avoid relegation if we carry it on, but its not exactly anything to be 'happy' about. It could be a lot better. But you'd think all the fans who've been adamant were as good as down for months would be pleased with survival form over such a lengthy period , even if the football is a bit naff? -Our performances reflect where we are in the division suppose. Decent at the back but poor going forward. - we have 2 keepers and some kids. Im not about to criticise them for sureing up a key position! - possibly.. the balance between attack and defence is a fine line isnt it. Hopefully replacing underperforming attacking players like Thomas, ward and Rhodes with someone more effective ( more goals ) is what weve managed to do in this window.. Time will tell. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Feb 1, 2023 19:02:05 GMT 1
The opinions on this thread seem to fall into two categories. Those angry and frustrated at our position and those who try to justify it or accept it more than the rest of us.
Let’s remember this.
Offensively we wouldn’t worry a mid table league one side. It’s embarrassing how little threat we carry.
Most of the goals we concede are when somebody makes a mistake. That will always happen with the players we have as they just don’t have enough quality. Ruffels makes a lot but lees and Helik have also made mistakes. Holmes loses the ball in bad situations creating overloads for the opposition so he is another.
It’s time we stopped playing three centre backs. I feel we only do it as others aren’t doing their jobs or aren’t good enough. Ruffels again-sorry.
Somebody needs to give MF some coaching on how to speak to the press he digs his own holes and creates more fuel for the angry fan after a defeat (I include myself in that).
Somehow we need to try and get behind the players. But similarly they need to grow some balls and give us something to get behind.
As for MF, well I do remember Carlos in a similar position in his first season, empty stadium kept him his job. That won’t happen for MF as if we don’t at least make a fight of it then it will turn against him.
Let’s at least all try and stay together afterall football is about opinions and we all want the same thing - a successful team.
Dean paid me to write this….. as he knows how much I think of him…
That last bit is a joke just so you think I haven’t gone entirely sensible.
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Post by terrier10 on Feb 1, 2023 19:16:56 GMT 1
Rhodes wouldn't be any less isolated than he was last week I still maintain with the right service Rhodes can score plenty for us. I think he gets himself in the right areas and has shown he can still find the back of the net. I agree with you there, the key to your post though is the “with the right service” bit. We just don’t create anywhere near enough unless it’s in unopposed training drills for HTTV. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Feb 1, 2023 19:20:14 GMT 1
I still maintain with the right service Rhodes can score plenty for us. I think he gets himself in the right areas and has shown he can still find the back of the net. I agree with you there, the key to your post though is the “with the right service” bit. We just don’t create anywhere near enough unless it’s in unopposed training drills for HTTV. I still think he looks sharp. I do wonder sometimes what they do in training!. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Feb 1, 2023 19:25:12 GMT 1
I agree with you there, the key to your post though is the “with the right service” bit. We just don’t create anywhere near enough unless it’s in unopposed training drills for HTTV. I still think he looks sharp. I do wonder sometimes what they do in training!. It would be better if he wasn’t on his own in the box, until we stop with the three centre backs, he will be on his own. |
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Post by pterrier on Feb 1, 2023 19:26:26 GMT 1
I think our business (call it poor, ok, limited financial constraints etc) is reflective of Bromby’s lack of connections within the game.
We seem obsessed with signing former players, or players from specific clubs. It’s been the case throughout his tenure. Let’s face it, Carlos was a miracle worker with the squad that he had at his disposal and I think it masked the limitations of a DOF who is out of his depth at this level
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Post by terrier10 on Feb 1, 2023 19:27:14 GMT 1
I agree with you there, the key to your post though is the “with the right service” bit. We just don’t create anywhere near enough unless it’s in unopposed training drills for HTTV. I still think he looks sharp. I do wonder sometimes what they do in training!. Run, Run and Run some more apparently. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Feb 1, 2023 19:45:35 GMT 1
We've actually got NINE goalies on the books... Could we put them all in goal at the same time? Indeed we could. Just number them 1 to 9, and they can spend the whole game on the goal line. Then 1 midfielder and 1 forward to lump it up to. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Feb 1, 2023 19:47:30 GMT 1
I think our business (call it poor, ok, limited financial constraints etc) is reflective of Bromby’s lack of connections within the game. We seem obsessed with signing former players, or players from specific clubs. It’s been the case throughout his tenure. Let’s face it, Carlos was a miracle worker with the squad that he had at his disposal and I think it masked the limitations of a DOF who is out of his depth at this level So Bromby's being clueless with no contacts in the game is why we've had challobah, anjorin and Covill from Chelsea ? Found the best keeper in the division at Milton keynes and a Welsh international at Boram Wood? Don't forget he has to work within a budget that is set for him by others. |
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Post by upthetown on Feb 1, 2023 19:52:58 GMT 1
I think our business (call it poor, ok, limited financial constraints etc) is reflective of Bromby’s lack of connections within the game. We seem obsessed with signing former players, or players from specific clubs. It’s been the case throughout his tenure. Let’s face it, Carlos was a miracle worker with the squad that he had at his disposal and I think it masked the limitations of a DOF who is out of his depth at this level So Bromby's being clueless with no contacts in the game is why we've had challobah, anjorin and Covill from Chelsea ? Found the best keeper in the division at Milton keynes and a Welsh international at Boram Wood? Don't forget he has to work within a budget that is set for him by others. Chalobah (and ESR) I think were before Bromby took that role. That will have been, I think, Webb and that lad that moved to Swansea. Keepers are apparently in Clements remit. We have made some good signings and some poor signings under him. Par for the course with most clubs, especially clubs working with a limited budget, which, of course, he doesn’t set. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Feb 1, 2023 19:57:48 GMT 1
I think our business (call it poor, ok, limited financial constraints etc) is reflective of Bromby’s lack of connections within the game. We seem obsessed with signing former players, or players from specific clubs. It’s been the case throughout his tenure. Let’s face it, Carlos was a miracle worker with the squad that he had at his disposal and I think it masked the limitations of a DOF who is out of his depth at this level So Bromby's being clueless with no contacts in the game is why we've had challobah, anjorin and Covill from Chelsea ? Found the best keeper in the division at Milton keynes and a Welsh international at Boram Wood? Don't forget he has to work within a budget that is set for him by others. Is it obvious to every fan that we need a left back ? Is it not obvious that signing injured players, however cheap, doesn’t help the first team ? We have 2 established right backs. We have a league one defender, at best, and a young lad at left back… Why another goalkeeper ? We seem to be at the whim of the fat Greek. Just poor recruitment. Odd. No balance. |
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 1, 2023 20:02:46 GMT 1
Doesn't matter, he did a very decent job overall. Sacking him and replacing him with Grayson proved to be the correct decision,, we went up. I doubt we would have done under Clark. Just didnt seem to have it when push came to shove and his over-emotive demeanour spread to the players IMO. It needed a cooler head than Clark had to get over the line. I don't really buy this commonly repeated "proof" that it was the right decision. Lee Clark was sacked in February with us 4th, just 4 points off automatic, 2 points behind Wednesday, 4points behind United, and safely in the play off zone by 9 points. Grayson took over and we went on to lose a huge amount of ground to Charlton, Wednesday (finished 13points above us) and United. We lost more games under Grayson than we lost in nearly twice the amount of games with Clark at the helm that season. All the evidence looking at the table, and looking at how we performed throughout that season is that Lee Clark would have been at least equally as successful as Grayson ultimately and thankfully was. |
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Post by sabailand on Feb 1, 2023 20:13:25 GMT 1
Sacking him and replacing him with Grayson proved to be the correct decision,, we went up. I doubt we would have done under Clark. Just didnt seem to have it when push came to shove and his over-emotive demeanour spread to the players IMO. It needed a cooler head than Clark had to get over the line. I don't really buy this commonly repeated "proof" that it was the right decision. Lee Clark was sacked in February with us 4th, just 4 points off automatic, 2 points behind Wednesday, 4points behind United, and safely in the play off zone by 9 points. Grayson took over and we went on to lose a huge amount of ground to Charlton, Wednesday (finished 13points above us) and United. We lost more games under Grayson than we lost in nearly twice the amount of games with Clark at the helm that season. All the evidence looking at the table, and looking at how we performed throughout that season is that Lee Clark would have been at least equally as successful as Grayson ultimately and thankfully was. Not going to dispute your points, but it was obvious at the time that Hoyle didnt think that Clark had that little extra to take us over the line, whereas Grayson had done it before, i was surprised as anyone at the time, but as it turned out the decision was a good one as we went up, albeit by the skin of our teeth. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Feb 1, 2023 20:17:36 GMT 1
I still think he looks sharp. I do wonder sometimes what they do in training!. It would be better if he wasn’t on his own in the box, until we stop with the three centre backs, he will be on his own. I don't think three at the back is the issue because the wing backs can push forwards ( see winning goal v Preston) and midfield can push forwards. But it seems as if they have either been told not to or scared to. |
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 1, 2023 20:26:25 GMT 1
I don't really buy this commonly repeated "proof" that it was the right decision. Lee Clark was sacked in February with us 4th, just 4 points off automatic, 2 points behind Wednesday, 4points behind United, and safely in the play off zone by 9 points. Grayson took over and we went on to lose a huge amount of ground to Charlton, Wednesday (finished 13points above us) and United. We lost more games under Grayson than we lost in nearly twice the amount of games with Clark at the helm that season. All the evidence looking at the table, and looking at how we performed throughout that season is that Lee Clark would have been at least equally as successful as Grayson ultimately and thankfully was. Not going to dispute your points, but it was obvious at the time that Hoyle didnt think that Clark had that little extra to take us over the line, whereas Grayson had done it before, i was surprised as anyone at the time, but as it turned out the decision was a good one as we went up, albeit by the skin of our teeth. The decision was a good one in the end. But for all we know, a BETTER decision might have been to just stick with Clark! Obviously we'll never know, but I'm not sure I can just toe the line that it was a good idea simply because Dean thought it was, in light of some of the other evidence around his decision making in relation to running a football club. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 1, 2023 20:30:19 GMT 1
Sacking him and replacing him with Grayson proved to be the correct decision,, we went up. I doubt we would have done under Clark. Just didnt seem to have it when push came to shove and his over-emotive demeanour spread to the players IMO. It needed a cooler head than Clark had to get over the line. I don't really buy this commonly repeated "proof" that it was the right decision. Lee Clark was sacked in February with us 4th, just 4 points off automatic, 2 points behind Wednesday, 4points behind United, and safely in the play off zone by 9 points. Grayson took over and we went on to lose a huge amount of ground to Charlton, Wednesday (finished 13points above us) and United. We lost more games under Grayson than we lost in nearly twice the amount of games with Clark at the helm that season. All the evidence looking at the table, and looking at how we performed throughout that season is that Lee Clark would have been at least equally as successful as Grayson ultimately and thankfully was. It's like talking to a brick wall mate. Probably 5,000 of my posts and 5,000 of Slapper's posts were this exact argument 10 years ago. There will be no winner. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 1, 2023 20:31:04 GMT 1
I think our business (call it poor, ok, limited financial constraints etc) is reflective of Bromby’s lack of connections within the game. We seem obsessed with signing former players, or players from specific clubs. It’s been the case throughout his tenure. Let’s face it, Carlos was a miracle worker with the squad that he had at his disposal and I think it masked the limitations of a DOF who is out of his depth at this level So Bromby's being clueless with no contacts in the game is why we've had challobah, anjorin and Covill from Chelsea ? Found the best keeper in the division at Milton keynes and a Welsh international at Boram Wood? Don't forget he has to work within a budget that is set for him by others. And a Japanese international, and a Polish international and a Czech international and various kids from France. We seem to bring players in from all 4 divisions, from non league, from the continent , from Ireland, from youth football at home and abroad ... but we do this with no contacts in the game apparently. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Feb 1, 2023 20:34:26 GMT 1
I was worried about Clark in the end. He seemed to be on a spiralling mental decline from fresh-faced optimist to glaring-eyed psycho. I’m sure he worked far too hard and overthought every aspect of the game by the end of his time with us. He definitely missed the counsel of Steve Black.
You could smell Oggy’s fear before every post-match interview if we hadn’t taken 3 points.
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 1, 2023 20:37:40 GMT 1
I miss him.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 1, 2023 20:38:03 GMT 1
Sacking him and replacing him with Grayson proved to be the correct decision,, we went up. I doubt we would have done under Clark. Just didnt seem to have it when push came to shove and his over-emotive demeanour spread to the players IMO. It needed a cooler head than Clark had to get over the line. I don't really buy this commonly repeated "proof" that it was the right decision. Lee Clark was sacked in February with us 4th, just 4 points off automatic, 2 points behind Wednesday, 4points behind United, and safely in the play off zone by 9 points. Grayson took over and we went on to lose a huge amount of ground to Charlton, Wednesday (finished 13points above us) and United. We lost more games under Grayson than we lost in nearly twice the amount of games with Clark at the helm that season. All the evidence looking at the table, and looking at how we performed throughout that season is that Lee Clark would have been at least equally as successful as Grayson ultimately and thankfully was. Ok, but Clark 'might' have got us promoted is the best you can claim for him...Grayson DID get us promoted. So to me that is proof enough it was the right decision. We'd only won 4 of the previous 12 games when clark got the boot. I think Hoyle had lost faith in him plus their relationship had been soured by Clark coveting the Leicester job so obviously. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 20:39:27 GMT 1
It was the playoff game away at Millwall that did for Clark, ultimately. They kicked the shit out of us and that was the end of the free flowing football experiment.
Also signings not living up to potential didn't help.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 1, 2023 20:39:53 GMT 1
I don't really buy this commonly repeated "proof" that it was the right decision. Lee Clark was sacked in February with us 4th, just 4 points off automatic, 2 points behind Wednesday, 4points behind United, and safely in the play off zone by 9 points. Grayson took over and we went on to lose a huge amount of ground to Charlton, Wednesday (finished 13points above us) and United. We lost more games under Grayson than we lost in nearly twice the amount of games with Clark at the helm that season. All the evidence looking at the table, and looking at how we performed throughout that season is that Lee Clark would have been at least equally as successful as Grayson ultimately and thankfully was. It's like talking to a brick wall mate. Probably 5,000 of my posts and 5,000 of Slapper's posts were this exact argument 10 years ago. There will be no winner. good times,, good times. |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 1, 2023 20:44:26 GMT 1
It was the playoff game away at Millwall that did for Clark, ultimately. They kicked the shit out of us and that was the end of the free flowing football experiment. Also signings not living up to potential didn't help. But we went onto a play off final the year after losing to Pboro and were a free scoring team? Unless you meant after the play off final defeat? We then brought in the likes of Alan Lee, Tommy Miller, Damien Johnson etc. |
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Feb 1, 2023 20:48:23 GMT 1
There seem to be some strong opinions being voiced here. After all it is a forum. However, can I make a point that I have more important things to do in my life than have an opinion on the (alleged) goings on at the club which I follow on match days.
Indifference deserves a voice, which is why I am moved to make this opinion known.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Feb 1, 2023 20:49:14 GMT 1
Just imagine….
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 1, 2023 20:51:43 GMT 1
How does that get round FFP ?
Isnt that effectively him giving the club £194m ?
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Post by joek on Feb 1, 2023 20:54:50 GMT 1
Football is just ridiculous really. Premier League winners, FA Cup winners and Champions League Quarter Finalists in last 6/7 years and end up in that position. Cannot see how football is sustainable in its current form. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Feb 1, 2023 20:56:41 GMT 1
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Feb 1, 2023 20:58:21 GMT 1
There seem to be some strong opinions being voiced here. After all it is a forum. However, can I make a point that I have more important things to do in my life than have an opinion on the (alleged) goings on at the club which I follow on match days. Indifference deserves a voice, which is why I am moved to make this opinion known. I remember when Richard and Judy used to have a paid telephone survey on the day's hot topic. You'd have to pay 20p to ring up to record your opinion on a popular matter of the day. The options were 'Yes', 'No' or 'Don't Care'. Amazingly. Incredibly. People used to take the time and money to record a 'Don't care' vote. I used to think "Who the hell would do that?!" Now I know. People like you. Thank you for your post. We'll file it in the 'not right bothered either way' silo. |
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) but ive been ground down by OPs like the one that started this thread, and theres a steady stream of them these days.
