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Post by detox on Feb 7, 2023 14:43:34 GMT 1
Given CC's history of job hopping, he'd be off in a shot ..loyalty ? pah ! Does loyalty not worth both ways? We don't know what conversations were had or what was promised or intimated. That said it is old news now and we have both gone in different directions. I might be pre-empting this, but he's only been at WBA 5 minutes, and they'll be pleased with what he's done pushing them up towards the play offs..and will not want him to leave. If he does quite they'll be rightly pissed off. |
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Post by dugnet on Feb 7, 2023 15:04:38 GMT 1
Does loyalty not worth both ways? We don't know what conversations were had or what was promised or intimated. That said it is old news now and we have both gone in different directions. I might be pre-empting this, but he's only been at WBA 5 minutes, and they'll be pleased with what he's done pushing them up towards the play offs..and will not want him to leave. If he does quite they'll be rightly pissed off. Point taken - we will see what happens I guess. I suppose there is a comparison in that WBA is thought, by some on here, to be a basket case. If that is the case does that make him more likely to walk? I think my problem is that some readily throw Carlos under the bus but don't want to accept that he couldn't see a way to progress his career, and the team with Town. It is what it is now but if you have ambitions and want to progress at a club you surely want to retain your better assets, acknowledging that those assets may become a target for those with greater ambition/bigger pockets. , If you look back at what happened with Carlos it is obvious that budgets had to be cut and players would leave. That made his job even tougher. I couldn't blame him for looking at it and saying "I can't progress, I can't do any better". The reasons for that are now not important. It is history now so all our debating and speculation won't change anything, but it could inform what we might expect in the future i.e. what would the new owner(s) see as our strategy going forward? It will be one of the key things I'll be listening for when that happens. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Feb 7, 2023 21:38:31 GMT 1
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Post by haveitback on Feb 7, 2023 21:43:46 GMT 1
Christian Stellini spurs No2
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Post by Dan on Feb 7, 2023 21:45:18 GMT 1
Very good announcement of it 😂
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Post by dugnet on Feb 7, 2023 21:46:33 GMT 1
Carlos in show of loyalty shock!!
Obviously sees a future at that "Basket Case" club then?
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Post by Floyds on Feb 7, 2023 21:47:05 GMT 1
I’m a Town fan (obviously) and I’d have left in the summer given the budgetary constraints imposed on him.
Did a great job last season but not sure anyone could get a tune out of this lot: Perhaps a decent manager could have us towards mid table but that would be seen as a YoY decline.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Feb 7, 2023 21:57:16 GMT 1
Of course, he could still leave for Leeds but it’ll cost them more.
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Post by hthp on Feb 7, 2023 21:57:49 GMT 1
Signed a four and a half year deal here, didn't mean anything.
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Post by NewMill Terrier on Feb 7, 2023 21:59:13 GMT 1
Rumours of Arnie Slot from Feyenoord, hope not as he's doing a cracking job there !
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Post by morleyterrier on Feb 8, 2023 12:41:08 GMT 1
Well Corberan has confirmed what some of us already knew and knew all along (whilst others bought the lack of ambition bollocks).
He has turned down the Leeds job because of the terms offered (and a better financial offer to stay at WBA).
He cited some bollocks about Club ambition when he left Town.
So Carlos, if ambition was your Driver and not remuneration, why would you turn Leeds down and stay at West Brom?.
Charlatan.
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Post by Fish & Chips on Feb 25, 2024 15:32:00 GMT 1
Seems he may be pushed, interesting article about the new US owners of WBA. Lots of mentions about Town.
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Post by King Neil on Feb 25, 2024 16:19:42 GMT 1
Carlos is a great coach but a mercenary who has loyalty to no one
I'll be honest..I never liked him..even in the second season the football was boring and it seemed we had all the luck in the world that season
Wagner football was far more enjoyable in the championship
I have a feeling Andre might be the best one yet...there's a lot of warmth coming from him
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Post by benhomly on Feb 25, 2024 16:30:10 GMT 1
Will probably end up at Norwich when Wagner gets sacked at the end of the season. Whatever happens he won't struggle to find another decent position no matter how unlikeable he is.
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Post by rockwall on Feb 25, 2024 17:55:44 GMT 1
Will probably end up at Norwich when Wagner gets sacked at the end of the season. Whatever happens he won't struggle to find another decent position no matter how unlikeable he is. Can see him rocking up at Forest when the fat Greek gets bored of Nuno |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 25, 2024 18:06:00 GMT 1
We were not worthy. There was Herbert Chapman, then there was Bill Shankly, then there was Carlos Corberan.  |
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Post by Fish & Chips on Feb 25, 2024 18:38:57 GMT 1
We were not worthy. There was Herbert Chapman, then there was Bill Shankly, then there was Carlos Corberan. Then there was Andre Breitenreiter |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Feb 25, 2024 19:38:22 GMT 1
Carlos is a great coach but a mercenary who has loyalty to no one I'll be honest..I never liked him..even in the second season the football was boring and it seemed we had all the luck in the world that season Wagner football was far more enjoyable in the championship I have a feeling Andre might be the best one yet...there's a lot of warmth coming from him "A mercenary who has loyalty to no-one" You have just described every single manager/player in world football. |
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 25, 2024 21:01:02 GMT 1
We were not worthy.
There was Herbert Chapman, then there was Bill Shankly, then there was Carlos Corberan. Our academy manager is though! |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Feb 25, 2024 21:07:14 GMT 1
Carlos is a great coach but a mercenary who has loyalty to no one I'll be honest..I never liked him..even in the second season the football was boring and it seemed we had all the luck in the world that season Wagner football was far more enjoyable in the championship I have a feeling Andre might be the best one yet...there's a lot of warmth coming from him "A mercenary who has loyalty to no-one" You have just described every single manager/player in world football. We’ve had 5 full time managers over the past 2 seasons. It works 2 ways - coaches like Carlos (who didn’t earn big money as a player) have the right to earn what they can in an industry where one failure can end their career. Fans who bemoan a lack of loyalty from staff whilst insisting manager’s get sacked after 2 months need to realise the hypocrisy of their argument. It’s an entire industry built on mercenaries! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 26, 2024 1:39:49 GMT 1
"A mercenary who has loyalty to no-one" You have just described every single manager/player in world football. We’ve had 5 full time managers over the past 2 seasons. It works 2 ways - coaches like Carlos (who didn’t earn big money as a player) have the right to earn what they can in an industry where one failure can end their career. Fans who bemoan a lack of loyalty from staff whilst insisting manager’s get sacked after 2 months need to realise the hypocrisy of their argument. It’s an entire industry built on mercenaries! Very true. We showed Corboran loyalty when most would have fired him but he didnt show us any back when his stock was so high and he probably saw it as what might be his big chance to graduate into that Champions league level of club. Probably shouldnt blame him too much for that. Managers sometimes show clubs loyalty and get none back in return. Must be the most fickly profession there is, a football manager. You can go from absolute hero to everyone wanting you sacked in a matter of a few weeks. |
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Feb 26, 2024 8:24:57 GMT 1
We’ve had 5 full time managers over the past 2 seasons. It works 2 ways - coaches like Carlos (who didn’t earn big money as a player) have the right to earn what they can in an industry where one failure can end their career. Fans who bemoan a lack of loyalty from staff whilst insisting manager’s get sacked after 2 months need to realise the hypocrisy of their argument. It’s an entire industry built on mercenaries! Very true. We showed Corboran loyalty when most would have fired him but he didnt show us any back when his stock was so high and he probably saw it as what might be his big chance to graduate into that Champions league level of club. Probably shouldnt blame him too much for that. Managers sometimes show clubs loyalty and get none back in return. Must be the most fickly profession there is, a football manager. You can go from absolute hero to everyone wanting you sacked in a matter of a few weeks. I don't think it's ever happened as far as I know, but we can't be far off a manager winning manager of the month and then being sacked the month after. You lose three games in a row your head is on the block. Four games and you're as good as gone. No wonder some managers lean on draws to survive. |
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Post by irverino on Feb 26, 2024 11:15:07 GMT 1
We were not worthy. There was Herbert Chapman, then there was Bill Shankly, then there was Carlos Corberan. Chapman & Shankly came clean about being poached, CC just didn't have the decency to admit 'Stavros' had approached him, although a huge hint was dropped when Pipa was sent ahead them to Greece.......Maybe you should interview Pipa & try get the truth about 'Olympiakosgate'. |
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Post by mosher on Feb 27, 2024 10:27:45 GMT 1
Seems he may be pushed, interesting article about the new US owners of WBA. Lots of mentions about Town.
"The likes of Danny Schofield, Mark Fotheringham, Neil Warnock and Darren Moore have all come and gone since, having failed to follow in Corberan’s footsteps." Bit harsh them lumping King Colin in there  |
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Post by Terriersmad on Feb 27, 2024 10:45:19 GMT 1
We’ve had 5 full time managers over the past 2 seasons. It works 2 ways - coaches like Carlos (who didn’t earn big money as a player) have the right to earn what they can in an industry where one failure can end their career. Fans who bemoan a lack of loyalty from staff whilst insisting manager’s get sacked after 2 months need to realise the hypocrisy of their argument. It’s an entire industry built on mercenaries! Very true. We showed Corboran loyalty when most would have fired him but he didnt show us any back when his stock was so high and he probably saw it as what might be his big chance to graduate into that Champions league level of club. Probably shouldnt blame him too much for that. Managers sometimes show clubs loyalty and get none back in return. Must be the most fickly profession there is, a football manager. You can go from absolute hero to everyone wanting you sacked in a matter of a few weeks. My issue isn't that he left, it's how. He could have been up front with us about approaches from elsewhere, made sure that the club received adequate compensation as he was under contract, etc. Then he can go with best wishes having exceeded expectations, and after the club had stuck by him when most would have sacked him following that run of 3 wins in 21 (which sounds familiar). The fact is that the season after he could have been sacked made him. It meant he was picked up again when he was quickly dumped by a basketcase of a club. It's given him and West Brom the chance to take a difficult situation and have a run at the play-offs, when otherwise they may have been struggling, because he's a bloody good coach. It just rankles how we get none of the compensation we would have been due had he not walked, then gone straight to another club. If there was no underhand tapping-up, then I'm a Dutchman, and after we'd stood by him we deserved better, even if he felt he hadn't been backed. |
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Post by Fish & Chips on Feb 27, 2024 11:03:41 GMT 1
Very true. We showed Corboran loyalty when most would have fired him but he didnt show us any back when his stock was so high and he probably saw it as what might be his big chance to graduate into that Champions league level of club. Probably shouldnt blame him too much for that. Managers sometimes show clubs loyalty and get none back in return. Must be the most fickly profession there is, a football manager. You can go from absolute hero to everyone wanting you sacked in a matter of a few weeks. My issue isn't that he left, it's how. He could have been up front with us about approaches from elsewhere, made sure that the club received adequate compensation as he was under contract, etc. Then he can go with best wishes having exceeded expectations, and after the club had stuck by him when most would have sacked him following that run of 3 wins in 21 (which sounds familiar). The fact is that the season after he could have been sacked made him. It meant he was picked up again when he was quickly dumped by a basketcase of a club. It's given him and West Brom the chance to take a difficult situation and have a run at the play-offs, when otherwise they may have been struggling, because he's a bloody good coach. It just rankles how we get none of the compensation we would have been due had he not walked, then gone straight to another club. If there was no underhand tapping-up, then I'm a Dutchman, and after we'd stood by him we deserved better, even if he felt he hadn't been backed. At the time there was talk here of him being promised investment in players and which didn’t materialise. He / we were conned out of a promotion and he wanted to give it another go. Why would he if he now had a much weaker team with LoB and Toff being sold, let alone not being replaced. He rightly downed tools and took his services elsewhere. |
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Post by tyketaffy on Feb 27, 2024 11:27:16 GMT 1
Like some other posters I had no problem with Coberan leaving because no money was forthcoming for rebuilding the squad and he wanted to boost his career at another club, thats natural. What stuck in my craw and still does is the fact the he said he did not have a job lined up and was let go with without compo when its blindingly obvious he did have a job lined up.The fact that some say its a way of life in football wont wash with me, fans spend a great deal of time and money from often very limited means to support the team, integrity and honesty is integral to life how ever much or little money you have.I have no time for him (or any other liar)and and I hope he fails at every club he manages.
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Post by irverino on Feb 27, 2024 11:47:56 GMT 1
Like some other posters I had no problem with Coberan leaving because no money was forthcoming for rebuilding the squad and he wanted to boost his career at another club, thats natural. What stuck in my craw and still does is the fact the he said he did not have a job lined up and was let go with without compo when its blindingly obvious he did have a job lined up.The fact that some say its a way of life in football wont wash with me, fans spend a great deal of time and money from often very limited means to support the team, integrity and honesty is integral to life how ever much or little money you have.I have no time for him (or any other liar)and and I hope he fails at every club he manages. Which just so happened to be the owner of the team that beat Town in the play off final. When did CC get offered the job in Greece? Clearly a tempting offer or was it a reward? The truth will come out one day, most likely from the Greek side when Stavros finally gets busted.......Baggies fans have questioned why Pipa gets a place on the bench every game even though he's hardly ever needed. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 27, 2024 12:04:45 GMT 1
My issue isn't that he left, it's how. He could have been up front with us about approaches from elsewhere, made sure that the club received adequate compensation as he was under contract, etc. Then he can go with best wishes having exceeded expectations, and after the club had stuck by him when most would have sacked him following that run of 3 wins in 21 (which sounds familiar). The fact is that the season after he could have been sacked made him. It meant he was picked up again when he was quickly dumped by a basketcase of a club. It's given him and West Brom the chance to take a difficult situation and have a run at the play-offs, when otherwise they may have been struggling, because he's a bloody good coach. It just rankles how we get none of the compensation we would have been due had he not walked, then gone straight to another club. If there was no underhand tapping-up, then I'm a Dutchman, and after we'd stood by him we deserved better, even if he felt he hadn't been backed. At the time there was talk here of him being promised investment in players and which didn’t materialise. He / we were conned out of a promotion and he wanted to give it another go. Why would he if he now had a much weaker team with LoB and Toff being sold, let alone not being replaced. He rightly downed tools and took his services elsewhere. He 'rightly down tools' because a club who'd shown him tremendous loyalty in the past and who's parachute payments had just ended and didnt own a magic money tree, had to sell a couple of their better players to cut the losses to 'only' about £5m ?? Absolute nonsense. |
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 27, 2024 12:14:06 GMT 1
At the time there was talk here of him being promised investment in players and which didn’t materialise. He / we were conned out of a promotion and he wanted to give it another go. Why would he if he now had a much weaker team with LoB and Toff being sold, let alone not being replaced. He rightly downed tools and took his services elsewhere. He 'rightly down tools' because a club who'd shown him tremendous loyalty in the past and who's parachute payments had just ended and didnt own a magic money tree, had to sell a couple of their better players MONTHS AFTER HE LEFT to cut the losses to 'only' about £5m ?? Absolute nonsense. ^edited also. The squad HADN'T been weakened by the time he left - and was arguably a couple of decent loans away from being another play off contender - and with loans typically arriving late in the windows the lack of quality loan players in June wouldnt have been a reason to decide he'd gone as far as he could with us. As it happens, we made some reasonable signings late in that window and it was only really injuries and the World Cup that cocked things up for us. |
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