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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2024 12:35:57 GMT 1
Like some other posters I had no problem with Coberan leaving because no money was forthcoming for rebuilding the squad and he wanted to boost his career at another club, thats natural. What stuck in my craw and still does is the fact the he said he did not have a job lined up and was let go with without compo when its blindingly obvious he did have a job lined up.The fact that some say its a way of life in football wont wash with me, fans spend a great deal of time and money from often very limited means to support the team, integrity and honesty is integral to life how ever much or little money you have.I have no time for him (or any other liar)and and I hope he fails at every club he manages. We couldn't claim any compo whatever, there was nothing in his contract to stop him walking out at any given time, hence his momentary wobble after the Fulham away win. |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 27, 2024 13:12:37 GMT 1
Like some other posters I had no problem with Coberan leaving because no money was forthcoming for rebuilding the squad and he wanted to boost his career at another club, thats natural. What stuck in my craw and still does is the fact the he said he did not have a job lined up and was let go with without compo when its blindingly obvious he did have a job lined up.The fact that some say its a way of life in football wont wash with me, fans spend a great deal of time and money from often very limited means to support the team, integrity and honesty is integral to life how ever much or little money you have.I have no time for him (or any other liar)and and I hope he fails at every club he manages. We couldn't claim any compo whatever, there was nothing in his contract to stop him walking out at any given time, hence his momentary wobble after the Fulham away win. I mentioned on here that he'd resigned after the Fulham game and was accused of making it up 😂 |
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Post by Fish & Chips on Feb 27, 2024 13:15:35 GMT 1
He 'rightly down tools' because a club who'd shown him tremendous loyalty in the past and who's parachute payments had just ended and didnt own a magic money tree, had to sell a couple of their better players MONTHS AFTER HE LEFT to cut the losses to 'only' about £5m ?? Absolute nonsense. ^edited also. The squad HADN'T been weakened by the time he left - and was arguably a couple of decent loans away from being another play off contender - and with loans typically arriving late in the windows the lack of quality loan players in June wouldnt have been a reason to decide he'd gone as far as he could with us. As it happens, we made some reasonable signings late in that window and it was only really injuries and the World Cup that cocked things up for us. Corberan would, like any manager, have been in close discussions with the DoF and owner about levels of investment, targeted players, etc. It was clear to many on this forum that his job was likely to be much more difficult the following season. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 27, 2024 13:18:13 GMT 1
Very true. We showed Corboran loyalty when most would have fired him but he didnt show us any back when his stock was so high and he probably saw it as what might be his big chance to graduate into that Champions league level of club. Probably shouldnt blame him too much for that. Managers sometimes show clubs loyalty and get none back in return. Must be the most fickly profession there is, a football manager. You can go from absolute hero to everyone wanting you sacked in a matter of a few weeks. My issue isn't that he left, it's how. He could have been up front with us about approaches from elsewhere, made sure that the club received adequate compensation as he was under contract, etc. Then he can go with best wishes having exceeded expectations, and after the club had stuck by him when most would have sacked him following that run of 3 wins in 21 (which sounds familiar). The fact is that the season after he could have been sacked made him. It meant he was picked up again when he was quickly dumped by a basketcase of a club. It's given him and West Brom the chance to take a difficult situation and have a run at the play-offs, when otherwise they may have been struggling, because he's a bloody good coach. It just rankles how we get none of the compensation we would have been due had he not walked, then gone straight to another club. If there was no underhand tapping-up, then I'm a Dutchman, and after we'd stood by him we deserved better, even if he felt he hadn't been backed. Surely, the one he owed for not sacking him was PH and he'd gone, it was DH that wanted to sell his best players from under him while having him try to repeat the near miracle |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 27, 2024 13:21:54 GMT 1
At the time there was talk here of him being promised investment in players and which didn’t materialise. He / we were conned out of a promotion and he wanted to give it another go. Why would he if he now had a much weaker team with LoB and Toff being sold, let alone not being replaced. He rightly downed tools and took his services elsewhere. He 'rightly down tools' because a club who'd shown him tremendous loyalty in the past and who's parachute payments had just ended and didnt own a magic money tree, had to sell a couple of their better players to cut the losses to 'only' about £5m ?? Absolute nonsense. A different owner had shown him tremendous loyalty. |
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Post by Fish & Chips on Feb 27, 2024 13:23:28 GMT 1
At the time there was talk here of him being promised investment in players and which didn’t materialise. He / we were conned out of a promotion and he wanted to give it another go. Why would he if he now had a much weaker team with LoB and Toff being sold, let alone not being replaced. He rightly downed tools and took his services elsewhere. He 'rightly down tools' because a club who'd shown him tremendous loyalty in the past and who's parachute payments had just ended and didnt own a magic money tree, had to sell a couple of their better players to cut the losses to 'only' about £5m ?? Absolute nonsense. It’s not nonsense, it’s reality. Our loyalty was rewarded by promotion, had it not been for shocking ref / Var decisions. Corberan had repaid the loyalty, and he wanted another go, but apparently learned of a lack of investment. No need for him to continue with a thankless task and lose currency in status and earnings. If he’d lost the first few games of the following season had he stayed, our “loyal” fans would be foaming at the mouth as if possessed and the owner would have sacked him. That’s the reality of loyalty. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 27, 2024 13:24:31 GMT 1
He 'rightly down tools' because a club who'd shown him tremendous loyalty in the past and who's parachute payments had just ended and didnt own a magic money tree, had to sell a couple of their better players MONTHS AFTER HE LEFT to cut the losses to 'only' about £5m ?? Absolute nonsense. ^edited also. The squad HADN'T been weakened by the time he left - and was arguably a couple of decent loans away from being another play off contender - and with loans typically arriving late in the windows the lack of quality loan players in June wouldnt have been a reason to decide he'd gone as far as he could with us. As it happens, we made some reasonable signings late in that window and it was only really injuries and the World Cup that cocked things up for us. Did you miss O'Brien waving goodbye, on the pitch, at Wembley ? They all knew he was going if we didn't win |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2024 13:43:38 GMT 1
He 'rightly down tools' because a club who'd shown him tremendous loyalty in the past and who's parachute payments had just ended and didnt own a magic money tree, had to sell a couple of their better players to cut the losses to 'only' about £5m ?? Absolute nonsense. It’s not nonsense, it’s reality. Our loyalty was rewarded by promotion, had it not been for shocking ref / Var decisions. Corberan had repaid the loyalty, and he wanted another go, but apparently learned of a lack of investment. No need for him to continue with a thankless task and lose currency in status and earnings. If he’d lost the first few games of the following season had he stayed, our “loyal” fans would be foaming at the mouth as if possessed and the owner would have sacked him. That’s the reality of loyalty. How do you know we’d have been promoted with those decisions going in our favour? They were penalty shouts, not disallowed goals. We could have missed. The game could have taken a different pattern of play etc etc… |
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Post by Fish & Chips on Feb 27, 2024 13:56:17 GMT 1
It’s not nonsense, it’s reality. Our loyalty was rewarded by promotion, had it not been for shocking ref / Var decisions. Corberan had repaid the loyalty, and he wanted another go, but apparently learned of a lack of investment. No need for him to continue with a thankless task and lose currency in status and earnings. If he’d lost the first few games of the following season had he stayed, our “loyal” fans would be foaming at the mouth as if possessed and the owner would have sacked him. That’s the reality of loyalty. How do you know we’d have been promoted with those decisions going in our favour? They were penalty shouts, not disallowed goals. We could have missed. The game could have taken a different pattern of play etc etc… You’re missing the key point, he rewarded the loyalty shown to him by getting us to Wembley. Refereeing decisions are obviously out of his hands. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 27, 2024 13:57:29 GMT 1
It’s not nonsense, it’s reality. Our loyalty was rewarded by promotion, had it not been for shocking ref / Var decisions. Corberan had repaid the loyalty, and he wanted another go, but apparently learned of a lack of investment. No need for him to continue with a thankless task and lose currency in status and earnings. If he’d lost the first few games of the following season had he stayed, our “loyal” fans would be foaming at the mouth as if possessed and the owner would have sacked him. That’s the reality of loyalty. How do you know we’d have been promoted with those decisions going in our favour? They were penalty shouts, not disallowed goals. We could have missed. The game could have taken a different pattern of play etc etc… And CC could've stayed on with a poorer squad and been sacked by Hoyle before August was over 🤷 |
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 27, 2024 14:18:52 GMT 1
^edited also. The squad HADN'T been weakened by the time he left - and was arguably a couple of decent loans away from being another play off contender - and with loans typically arriving late in the windows the lack of quality loan players in June wouldnt have been a reason to decide he'd gone as far as he could with us. As it happens, we made some reasonable signings late in that window and it was only really injuries and the World Cup that cocked things up for us. Did you miss O'Brien waving goodbye, on the pitch, at Wembley ? They all knew he was going if we didn't win Not true tho. The whole OBrien and Toffolo deal was off with Forest moving on to their next targets just a couple of days before Toffolo enabled it with an about turn. If he hasn't done that, the pair would have been with us until at least January. |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 27, 2024 14:18:59 GMT 1
How do you know we’d have been promoted with those decisions going in our favour? They were penalty shouts, not disallowed goals. We could have missed. The game could have taken a different pattern of play etc etc… You’re missing the key point, he rewarded the loyalty shown to him by getting us to Wembley. Refereeing decisions are obviously out of his hands. The team selection and tactics were very much in his hands, however. |
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Post by ldotm on Feb 27, 2024 14:30:46 GMT 1
You’re missing the key point, he rewarded the loyalty shown to him by getting us to Wembley. Refereeing decisions are obviously out of his hands. The team selection and tactics were very much in his hands, however. Yet we were still a couple of bad officiating decisions & an unlucky deflected goal conceded from potentially going up. That game was very very fine margins against a Forest team flying on form. Who’s to say a different selection and tactics would have won us the game? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 27, 2024 14:36:11 GMT 1
^edited also. The squad HADN'T been weakened by the time he left - and was arguably a couple of decent loans away from being another play off contender - and with loans typically arriving late in the windows the lack of quality loan players in June wouldnt have been a reason to decide he'd gone as far as he could with us. As it happens, we made some reasonable signings late in that window and it was only really injuries and the World Cup that cocked things up for us. Corberan would, like any manager, have been in close discussions with the DoF and owner about levels of investment, targeted players, etc. It was clear to many on this forum that his job was likely to be much more difficult the following season. Possibly,, but thats isnt any excuse for 'downing tools' as you put it. If he felt he wasnt up to the challenge, didnt owe us any loyalty and realised his stock was so high at the time it could well be his one shot at CL level jobs like Olympiacos, then he can leave..which is what he basically did. |
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Post by tyketaffy on Feb 27, 2024 14:53:03 GMT 1
What Coberan did was lie about him already being tapped up and why did he do that ?, IMO because had anyone have had to pay compensation for breaking his contract he would probably not got the job with Olympiacos. Like I keep saying I have no problem with him wanting to futher his career, its the underhand way he did it and the last minute in the close season dropping us the fans/club in the shit that rankles.
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 27, 2024 15:01:32 GMT 1
The team selection and tactics were very much in his hands, however. Yet we were still a couple of bad officiating decisions & an unlucky deflected goal conceded from potentially going up. That game was very very fine margins against a Forest team flying on form. Who’s to say a different selection and tactics would have won us the game? Who's to say we'd have scored the penalties? |
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Post by paulmat on Feb 27, 2024 15:03:36 GMT 1
I was annoyed at Corberan at the time. I could totally understand his reasoning, but I felt he owed the club more, with us giving him a chance and sticking by him when an early sacking could have effectively ended his career.
I also think he completely bottled the play off final. The formation was wrong, and having to make a sub at half time to correct that denied us the chance to throw Tino Anjorin on for the last 20, fresh off his impressive cameo at Coventry.
I genuinely don't think he was tapped up though. Easy to put 2 and 2 together, but Olympiakos sacked their manager suddenly after a bad champions league result which happened after Carlos had left us. I think he got that job because he was available.
Having said all that, I'm over it now, and wish him well. Clearly a talented coach, but hopefully we've now got an even better one.
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