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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 11, 2023 21:46:51 GMT 1
We lost 2-1 to 10 men in the second half at Blackpool Nonsense comparing. Blackpool put 3 up front and had a go. Fair play to them. Nonsense saying its nonsense to compare them We were as shit at Blackpool as we were today. MF was 6 without a win so no idea why anyone thinks he would have overseen a win today |
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Post by Dell12 on Feb 11, 2023 21:48:05 GMT 1
I thought we might perk up a little after Fotheringham's departure (alongside a reaction from the Blackpool game), as I still felt like we had the talent in the squad to stay up.
While I can't say I particularly warmed to Fotheringham, having sacked both him and Schofield, I think it's now pretty clear that our problems run far deeper than the manager. Perhaps they weren't quite as poor coaches as some made out. We'll never know.
I think it's now pretty clear the squad isn't where it was last season with key departures not replaced, some questionable signings and a spine of the team (Lees, Pearson, Hogg, Ward, Rhodes) all another year older and slower. One of the biggest problems for me is the lack of runners and pace throughout the squad. Our build-up is very pedestrian and we rarely stretch the opposition.
This points to the fact that staying up is probably now beyond our grasp, and we may as well appoint someone who's equipped to reshape the squad, cut the deadwood and get a head start to make sure we're competitive in League One next season. The last thing we need is a short-term fix which will ultimately end in another summer of disruption, undermining next season.
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 11, 2023 21:58:24 GMT 1
Nonsense comparing. Blackpool put 3 up front and had a go. Fair play to them. Nonsense saying its nonsense to compare them We were as shit at Blackpool as we were today. MF was 6 without a win so no idea why anyone thinks he would have overseen a win today I didn’t say we’d have won today. But Wigan were truly dreadful. Blackpool had a right go. Did we create a single chance today??? Edit:- We apparently had two shots on target. Wigan had 1 |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 11, 2023 22:01:07 GMT 1
Nonsense saying its nonsense to compare them We were as shit at Blackpool as we were today. MF was 6 without a win so no idea why anyone thinks he would have overseen a win today I didn’t say we’d have won today. But Wigan were truly dreadful. Blackpool had a right go. Did we create a single chance today??? Wigan looked far better against Blackburn than they did against us. Whatever that means |
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Post by softboy on Feb 11, 2023 22:08:44 GMT 1
High played against Blackpool and we were unlucky to not get 3 points. He wasn’t involved today and we lost. So I guess if we want to go down don’t play him!
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Post by hgterrier on Feb 11, 2023 22:24:08 GMT 1
Let's face it we're going down. How anyone can honestly think any different is delusion on Fotheringhams level.
It's not the manager. It's everything about the club. Small club mentality, run on a shoestring league 1 budget.
Signing has-beens, never-has-beens, and never-will-be's.
It's a risk averse, lack of ambition scenario that's only going one way unfortunately.
Breaks my heart seeing us trying to do everything on the cheap.
But if it takes dropping into league 1 to avoid going into administration, so be it.
Standing up behind the goals at away matches is ace anyway.
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Post by space hardware on Feb 11, 2023 22:25:33 GMT 1
High played against Blackpool and we were unlucky to not get 3 points. He wasn’t involved today and we lost. So I guess if we want to go down don’t play him! I don't think this shtick of yours was ever even mildly amusing. |
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Post by boooothy on Feb 11, 2023 23:04:07 GMT 1
Nonsense comparing. Blackpool put 3 up front and had a go. Fair play to them. Nonsense saying its nonsense to compare them We were as shit at Blackpool as we were today. MF was 6 without a win so no idea why anyone thinks he would have overseen a win today We were never as shit at Blackpool as we were today, no way. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2023 23:04:09 GMT 1
They all look at a very low point. Chicho had 3 days to get a strategy in place and pick his starting squad. That is not much time and, as he and we know, this is not his role. The whole lot look to have just dropped. MF going was pretty much nailed on, especially when the fans at Blackpool let their feelings known. He may not have been the whole problem but our managerial strategy since Carlos left most certainly is. If Carlos, or another decent manager, had been at the helm I think we would have seen a different looking squad. If we hadn't been rock bottom in January we would have looked at different sorts of players, rather than the finger in the dyke type (no smutty responses please).
I honestly don't know if Chicho can pull this around. A couple of wins would work wonders but I don't know how we get them. It is all down to the players now. Somehow they need to lift themselves and start playing like Championship footballers who are working to some sort of plan. Having heard recent player interviews I just don't know if they can.
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Post by space hardware on Feb 11, 2023 23:08:02 GMT 1
Nonsense saying its nonsense to compare them We were as shit at Blackpool as we were today. MF was 6 without a win so no idea why anyone thinks he would have overseen a win today We were never as shit at Blackpool as we were today, no way. I'm interested to hear your reasoning here, given the fact we shipped two goals and two leads to a shit team who had 10 men? |
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Post by boooothy on Feb 11, 2023 23:13:32 GMT 1
We were never as shit at Blackpool as we were today, no way. I'm interested to hear your reasoning here, given the fact we shipped two goals and two leads to a shit team who had 10 men? The result was a disgrace at Blackpool, one that understandably lost Fozza his job. However we were a threat throughout. In fact with Knockhaert and Koroma on the pitch i’d say in spells we looked EXCITING!!! The biggest reason for my assessment though is i was actually quite impressed with Blackpool. Wigan were horrendous but they still wrestled control of the game from us and we just got worse, largely down to subs. If the game was still going on now, the score would be 1 0. |
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Post by Fantoolong on Feb 11, 2023 23:14:06 GMT 1
We were never as shit at Blackpool as we were today, no way. I'm interested to hear your reasoning here, given the fact we shipped two goals and two leads to a shit team who had 10 men? The fact we actually scored at Blackpool, which was somewhat unlikely to happen to day, particularly in the second half. |
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Post by drbaldric on Feb 11, 2023 23:38:28 GMT 1
He's not available. The club have been saying for weaks that he's injured but for some reason everyone is demanding he be played!! Repeated again today - www.htafc.com/news/2023/february/team-news-wigan-vs-town/Pèlach is without Lee Nicholls (shoulder), Tino Anjorin (ankle), Kieran Phillips (hamstring), Duane Holmes (calf), Danny Ward (hamstring), Ben Jackson (quad), Yuta Nakayama (Achilles) and Michał Helik (knee). Apologies. I didn't know if it wasn't an injury arrived at because the previous manager seemed to show absolutely no consistency in his team selection or tactics. Much like Michal Helik was injured and then wasn't, after he signed for town |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Feb 11, 2023 23:38:57 GMT 1
I thought we might perk up a little after Fotheringham's departure (alongside a reaction from the Blackpool game), as I still felt like we had the talent in the squad to stay up. While I can't say I particularly warmed to Fotheringham, having sacked both him and Schofield, I think it's now pretty clear that our problems run far deeper than the manager. Perhaps they weren't quite as poor coaches as some made out. We'll never know. I think it's now pretty clear the squad isn't where it was last season with key departures not replaced, some questionable signings and a spine of the team (Lees, Pearson, Hogg, Ward, Rhodes) all another year older and slower. One of the biggest problems for me is the lack of runners and pace throughout the squad. Our build-up is very pedestrian and we rarely stretch the opposition. This points to the fact that staying up is probably now beyond our grasp, and we may as well appoint someone who's equipped to reshape the squad, cut the deadwood and get a head start to make sure we're competitive in League One next season. The last thing we need is a short-term fix which will ultimately end in another summer of disruption, undermining next season. Very depressing yet accurate summary. |
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Post by ACW on Feb 11, 2023 23:49:56 GMT 1
We're now arguing about whether one performance was more/less shite than another shite performance.
Most performances this season has been shite to one degree or another. And rarely have they been good enough to suggest we are going to do anything other than be in a relegation battle until the end of the season.
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Post by hthp on Feb 11, 2023 23:53:47 GMT 1
We're now arguing about whether one performance was more/less shite than another shite performance. Most performances this season has been shite to one degree or another. And rarely have they been good enough to suggest we are going to do anything other than be in a relegation battle until the end of the season. That was the worst I've seen this season. Interesting how Pelach hasn't taken the flak Schofield took after his first game or Fotheringham. Might as well have kept Fotheringham if that today is the best that Pelach can offer. Clueless. We're going down if he gets it full-time. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Feb 12, 2023 0:07:26 GMT 1
We're now arguing about whether one performance was more/less shite than another shite performance. Most performances this season has been shite to one degree or another. And rarely have they been good enough to suggest we are going to do anything other than be in a relegation battle until the end of the season. That was the worst I've seen this season. Interesting how Pelach hasn't taken the flak Schofield took after his first game or Fotheringham. Might as well have kept Fotheringham if that today is the best that Pelach can offer. Clueless. We're going down if he gets it full-time. The difference being that Pelach said he didn’t want the job whilst Schofield was going elsewhere if he didn’t get it and MF certainly wanted it. So I’m not sure why you’d expect an interim manager to get as much stick. |
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Post by hthp on Feb 12, 2023 0:10:01 GMT 1
That was the worst I've seen this season. Interesting how Pelach hasn't taken the flak Schofield took after his first game or Fotheringham. Might as well have kept Fotheringham if that today is the best that Pelach can offer. Clueless. We're going down if he gets it full-time. The difference being that Pelach said he didn’t want the job whilst Schofield was going elsewhere if he didn’t get it and MF certainly wanted it. So I’m not sure why you’d expect an interim manager to get as much stick. Because he's just presided over one of the most inept performances in years. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Feb 12, 2023 0:17:00 GMT 1
The difference being that Pelach said he didn’t want the job whilst Schofield was going elsewhere if he didn’t get it and MF certainly wanted it. So I’m not sure why you’d expect an interim manager to get as much stick. Because he's just presided over one of the most inept performances in years. Not sure you read the part about him not being a manager and not wanting the job. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Feb 12, 2023 0:22:13 GMT 1
We're now arguing about whether one performance was more/less shite than another shite performance. Most performances this season has been shite to one degree or another. And rarely have they been good enough to suggest we are going to do anything other than be in a relegation battle until the end of the season. It has been one of the worst seasons ever for on the field, off the field, one disaster to another. Yet some on here were stating that we picked up so many points against top half teams we'd easily pull away when we had this run of "easier" games, which completely missed the point on 2 counts: there are no easy games in the division, on the day anyone can beat anyone, but we are comfortably one of the worst teams. |
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Post by hthp on Feb 12, 2023 0:26:00 GMT 1
Because he's just presided over one of the most inept performances in years. Not sure you read the part about him not being a manager and not wanting the job. Was he in charge today? Has he been part of the coaching for the whole season? |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Feb 12, 2023 0:29:12 GMT 1
Not sure you read the part about him not being a manager and not wanting the job. Was he in charge today? Has he been part of the coaching for the whole season? I’m not sure I can help you anymore. Good night |
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Post by hthp on Feb 12, 2023 0:38:01 GMT 1
Was he in charge today? Has he been part of the coaching for the whole season? I’m not sure I can help you anymore. Good night Oh, I forgot, he's untouchable. Imagine the outrage if Fotheringham had presided over that garbage today. But it's alright, Chicho is a nice fella. |
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Post by 28901 on Feb 12, 2023 2:54:33 GMT 1
High played against Blackpool and we were unlucky to not get 3 points. He wasn’t involved today and we lost. So I guess if we want to go down don’t play him! You're beyond parody now. You're actually enjoying being a troll aren't you. I'd say more but its people calling out trolls that get banned in here. |
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Post by 28901 on Feb 12, 2023 2:56:12 GMT 1
I’m not sure I can help you anymore. Good night Oh, I forgot, he's untouchable. Imagine the outrage if Fotheringham had presided over that garbage today. But it's alright, Chicho is a nice fella. No ones defending him or the club. . |
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Post by brodie81 on Feb 12, 2023 3:01:03 GMT 1
I don’t think I have seen a town player so defeated as this interview. Pearson says “We need to put a method behind our hard work”. I still think the right manager can bring the leadership and tactical knowledge to keep us up. This is worrying, one of what I would have thought the stronger characters looks and sounds completely broken! After watching that interview I might have to put the smiths album on to cheer me up |
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Post by royrace on Feb 12, 2023 9:57:27 GMT 1
This is worrying, one of what I would have thought the stronger characters looks and sounds completely broken! After watching that interview I might have to put the smiths album on to cheer me up That's why it will probably take a fresh face with excellent motivational skills to stand any chance of getting them playing. No chance of that I fear so L1 beckons. What an absolute mess they have made. I don't believe for a minute prospective owners don't care about the division. The difference is huge and getting out of if can be very expensive and nigh on impossible as we've seen before. Probably sell a third the season tickets if they're lucky. |
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Post by yorkie69 on Feb 12, 2023 10:01:22 GMT 1
Right, had some time to calm down so I will explain my feelings with less emotion.
We play too slow. Everything is sidewards and backwards and has been under all three managers. Hogg and Câmara just want to stop and look at how they can go backwards and this allows the opposing team time to get back and defend in numbers.
We have no go forward attacking intent. A lot of people blame our attackers but they are so far away from any support how are they expected to be effective? We attack with one or two players trying to get forward whilst the other seven or eight defensive players watch from the halfway line. I watch other teams )for instance QPR last week) attack with five or six players bursting forward to help support the attack but we expect the one attacker and a Rudoni or Thomas (when he was here) to perform miracles against five, six or seven defenders.
What I am trying to say is these poor performances are down to our tactics and this is what the players have been coached all season. Why not go two upfront, play a more attacking style and see if that makes things any better, it can’t be any worse! Instead we just play the same way and wonder why the results and performances haven’t changed.
Oh, and going into administration isn’t the answer either as that could kill this club and we would receive a points deduction next season if we would have finished in the bottom three anyway.
Fingers crossed Chico can get an improved performance Tuesday but if we persevere with the same tactics then the result will be the same.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Feb 12, 2023 10:06:35 GMT 1
Maintained faith that we'd get out of this situation but unfortunately see no way out now.
Same thing every match, there's too much wrong to be able to fix this quickly.
Too many opportunities have passed us by to get up the table.
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Post by CurlyWurly on Feb 12, 2023 10:08:40 GMT 1
Right, had some time to calm down so I will explain my feelings with less emotion. We play too slow. Everything is sidewards and backwards and has been under all three managers. Hogg and Câmara just want to stop and look at how they can go backwards and this allows the opposing team time to get back and defend in numbers. We have no go forward attacking intent. A lot of people blame our attackers but they are so far away from any support how are they expected to be effective? We attack with one or two players trying to get forward whilst the other seven or eight defensive players watch from the halfway line. I watch other teams )for instance QPR last week) attack with five or six players bursting forward to help support the attack but we expect the one attacker and a Rudoni or Thomas (when he was here) to perform miracles against five, six or seven defenders. What I am trying to say is these poor performances are down to our tactics and this is what the players have been coached all season. Why not go two upfront, play a more attacking style and see if that makes things any better, it can’t be any worse! Instead we just play the same way and wonder why the results and performances haven’t changed. Oh, and going into administration isn’t the answer either as that could kill this club and we would receive a points deduction next season if we would have finished in the bottom three anyway. Fingers crossed Chico can get an improved performance Tuesday but if we persevere with the same tactics then the result will be the same. 100% Hogg has become a major issue and is now a hindrance to the side. Not all his fault because he doesn't have anyone along side him who can do it for him. His best seasons he's had Mooy and LoB playing next to him. So given that, my radical idea is to drop Rudoni into the Camara role. He works hard and doesn't shirk a tackle but we might lose out defensively a little bit. But we can't defend anyway so what difference does it make. Putting Rudoni deeper will allow him more time on the ball there's clearly a player in there but at the moment as soon as there is a defender anywhere near him he just kicks it in the air. Maybe with more space he will be able to find a pass. |
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