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Post by turbo2 on Feb 12, 2023 10:13:35 GMT 1
Yorkie is right. Sideways backwards all chuffing game. Nobody willing to pass forward. Our first touch is so bad we darent pass with pace. You could see AKs frustration with it all. We need some attacking players on the pitch. Players who want to score. We started with 433. Did the 6 players not in defence have a single goal between them!  ? |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Feb 12, 2023 10:18:27 GMT 1
Yorkie is right. Sideways backwards all chuffing game. Nobody willing to pass forward. Our first touch is so bad we darent pass with pace. You could see AKs frustration with it all. We need some attacking players on the pitch. Players who want to score. We started with 433. Did the 6 players not in defence have a single goal between them! ? We created nothing all day. Hungbo got to the byline and put in a low cross that wasnt attacked. We had a free kick that was tame but counted as an effort on goal. Knockeart had a shot easily dealt with in the second half. That was it. Wigan threatened even less but took their one chance and celebrate their first win since November. |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 12, 2023 10:22:22 GMT 1
Yorkie is right. Sideways backwards all chuffing game. Nobody willing to pass forward. Our first touch is so bad we darent pass with pace. You could see AKs frustration with it all. We need some attacking players on the pitch. Players who want to score. We started with 433. Did the 6 players not in defence have a single goal between them! ? We played too close together. Only outlet was Hungbo, who at least tried to play as a winger, put 2 dream balls in but noone was there. Waghorn and AK were too close to Rudoni and Camara. Everytime we got the ball there was not one player making a forward run. AK tried to extent, but he was probably also wary that he had Ruffles behind him so couldn't over commit. Everything was literally walking football; pass to the closest player, control, stop, find closest player again. We looked better when we were more direct out to Hungbo. We aren't good enough to try passing it about. |
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Post by townrwe on Feb 12, 2023 10:32:06 GMT 1
Fozza would have just kept us up.... we have gambled for some reason to stay up more comfortably.
I like chicco, but this is not his time, having said that if he does it on a cold rainy night in Stoke, then who knows.
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Post by kindo on Feb 12, 2023 10:35:51 GMT 1
Two centre forwards playing up front together? Just a thought
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Post by ACW on Feb 12, 2023 10:47:55 GMT 1
Two centre forwards playing up front together? Just a thought Thing is, even if we play two strikers the whole team needs to push up and support them. We tried it earlier in the season, but they were still isolated. For me, the whole team needs to push up and support each other better. We need to move off the ball better and provide forward passing options. And I don't mean a big lump up the pitch. The cagey, defensive football is not getting results. We have to change otherwise we go down with a whimper. We need to start taking some chances. What have we got to lose? |
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Post by townrwe on Feb 12, 2023 10:56:59 GMT 1
We have put a load of leggy experience in the team, it's not worked. We need legs.
I'd pick everyone with any dynamism.
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Turton REG Helik Jackson
Kassumu High
Hungbo knockhart Jones
Koroma.
Our strikers are pointless anyway so may as well play more of a false 9, Rudoni could probably do the false 9 role also.
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Post by townrwe on Feb 12, 2023 10:58:59 GMT 1
We have put a load of leggy experience in the team, it's not worked. We need legs. I'd pick everyone with any dynamism. Bilo Turton REG Helik Jackson Kassumu High Hungbo knockhart Jones Koroma. Our strikers are pointless anyway so may as well play more of a false 9, Rudoni could probably do the false 9 role also. Or 343 Bilo REG Helik Pearson Turton kassumu camara Jackson Hungbo 《koroma, Simpson any one with some pace) knockhart If we are going to run around like headless chickens..... we may as well have chickens that can run. |
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Post by hxterrierhx on Feb 12, 2023 11:00:36 GMT 1
The main thing that stood out yesterday for me was everytime we attacked through AK it broke down because he is on such different wavelength to other players, the amount of time he wanted He should be the focal point of our attacks, finding the quality pass unlocking the defence, then on the other side we have the direct option of hungbo and his brute force approach.
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Post by ambryboy on Feb 12, 2023 11:01:59 GMT 1
Two centre forwards playing up front together? Just a thought Now that's crazy talk  |
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Post by hthp on Feb 12, 2023 11:10:21 GMT 1
Oh, I forgot, he's untouchable. Imagine the outrage if Fotheringham had presided over that garbage today. But it's alright, Chicho is a nice fella. No ones defending him or the club. . But they are? |
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Post by hxterrierhx on Feb 12, 2023 11:10:32 GMT 1
The main thing that stood out yesterday for me was everytime we attacked through AK it broke down because he is on such different wavelength to other players, the amount of time he wanted He should be the focal point of our attacks, finding the quality pass unlocking the defence, then on the other side we have the direct option of hungbo and his brute force approach.
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Post by detox on Feb 12, 2023 11:18:15 GMT 1
What I don't get is during that 2nd half when we forfeited 60% of the pitch to Wigan, where was Hogg or the other senior players telling the lads to get back further up the pitch ? Where is the on field leadership ? It's ok Chico yelling at them but surely we have enough senior players on the pitch to speak to the players right next to them ? We've now conceded 6 last 10 minute goals in the last 9 games, costing us 7 points.
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Post by hxterrierhx on Feb 12, 2023 11:27:51 GMT 1
We have put a load of leggy experience in the team, it's not worked. We need legs. I'd pick everyone with any dynamism. Bilo Turton REG Helik Jackson Kassumu High Hungbo knockhart Jones Koroma. Our strikers are pointless anyway so may as well play more of a false 9, Rudoni could probably do the false 9 role also. Or 343 Bilo REG Helik Pearson Turton kassumu camara Jackson Hungbo 《koroma, Simpson any one with some pace) knockhart This I’d prefer to down fighting, as much as I don’t want to lose I’d prefer to lose trying to win rather than lose trying not to lose. |
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Post by rocky on Feb 12, 2023 11:55:16 GMT 1
Right, had some time to calm down so I will explain my feelings with less emotion. We play too slow. Everything is sidewards and backwards and has been under all three managers. Hogg and Câmara just want to stop and look at how they can go backwards and this allows the opposing team time to get back and defend in numbers. We have no go forward attacking intent. A lot of people blame our attackers but they are so far away from any support how are they expected to be effective? We attack with one or two players trying to get forward whilst the other seven or eight defensive players watch from the halfway line. I watch other teams )for instance QPR last week) attack with five or six players bursting forward to help support the attack but we expect the one attacker and a Rudoni or Thomas (when he was here) to perform miracles against five, six or seven defenders. What I am trying to say is these poor performances are down to our tactics and this is what the players have been coached all season. Why not go two upfront, play a more attacking style and see if that makes things any better, it can’t be any worse! Instead we just play the same way and wonder why the results and performances haven’t changed. Oh, and going into administration isn’t the answer either as that could kill this club and we would receive a points deduction next season if we would have finished in the bottom three anyway. Fingers crossed Chico can get an improved performance Tuesday but if we persevere with the same tactics then the result will be the same. There were plenty on this thread pre match suggesting all we had to do was turn up to win. I was never in that camp, but did expect some evidence of an improvement, even if slight. As it turned out, I was actually quite shocked at how bad it was, especially after everything that had been said last week. Given how poor Wigan were, it was definitely one of the worst performances of an already horrendous season. Any hope that we might be able to get out of this has surely gone after yesterday. |
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Post by Moooooy on Feb 12, 2023 11:56:02 GMT 1
Right, had some time to calm down so I will explain my feelings with less emotion. We play too slow. Everything is sidewards and backwards and has been under all three managers. Hogg and Câmara just want to stop and look at how they can go backwards and this allows the opposing team time to get back and defend in numbers. We have no go forward attacking intent. A lot of people blame our attackers but they are so far away from any support how are they expected to be effective? We attack with one or two players trying to get forward whilst the other seven or eight defensive players watch from the halfway line. I watch other teams )for instance QPR last week) attack with five or six players bursting forward to help support the attack but we expect the one attacker and a Rudoni or Thomas (when he was here) to perform miracles against five, six or seven defenders. What I am trying to say is these poor performances are down to our tactics and this is what the players have been coached all season. Why not go two upfront, play a more attacking style and see if that makes things any better, it can’t be any worse! Instead we just play the same way and wonder why the results and performances haven’t changed. Oh, and going into administration isn’t the answer either as that could kill this club and we would receive a points deduction next season if we would have finished in the bottom three anyway. Fingers crossed Chico can get an improved performance Tuesday but if we persevere with the same tactics then the result will be the same. 100% Hogg has become a major issue and is now a hindrance to the side. Not all his fault because he doesn't have anyone along side him who can do it for him. His best seasons he's had Mooy and LoB playing next to him. So given that, my radical idea is to drop Rudoni into the Camara role. He works hard and doesn't shirk a tackle but we might lose out defensively a little bit. But we can't defend anyway so what difference does it make. Putting Rudoni deeper will allow him more time on the ball there's clearly a player in there but at the moment as soon as there is a defender anywhere near him he just kicks it in the air. Maybe with more space he will be able to find a pass. Midfield is our biggest problem, but Hogg is still comfortably our best midfielder. In fact he’s the only one who is Championship standard and he’s not the player he was. He must dream about playing with Mooy and Billing alongside him and then turn up to training thinking how has it come to this. Kasumu, Camara, Rudoni and High should be in B Team and we should be looking to off load them to lower league teams on loan. They don’t get in any other Championship side but somehow the club decided that was a midfield that was Championship standard. Incompetence beyond belief. |
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Post by Galpharmer on Feb 12, 2023 12:01:43 GMT 1
We have put a load of leggy experience in the team, it's not worked. We need legs. I'd pick everyone with any dynamism. Bilo Turton REG Helik Jackson Kassumu High Hungbo knockhart Jones Koroma. Our strikers are pointless anyway so may as well play more of a false 9, Rudoni could probably do the false 9 role also. Or 343 Bilo REG Helik Pearson Turton kassumu camara Jackson Hungbo 《koroma, Simpson any one with some pace) knockhart If we are going to run around like headless chickens..... we may as well have chickens that can run. That’s very deep for a Sunday morning. |
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Post by space hardware on Feb 12, 2023 12:07:21 GMT 1
We have put a load of leggy experience in the team, it's not worked. We need legs. I'd pick everyone with any dynamism. Bilo Turton REG Helik Jackson Kassumu High Hungbo knockhart Jones Koroma. Our strikers are pointless anyway so may as well play more of a false 9, Rudoni could probably do the false 9 role also. Or 343 Bilo REG Helik Pearson Turton kassumu camara Jackson Hungbo 《koroma, Simpson any one with some pace) knockhart Well, he's excelled at the role of "false player" all season so why not try him there? He can't influence games any less than he already has done. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 12:09:56 GMT 1
We have put a load of leggy experience in the team, it's not worked. We need legs. I'd pick everyone with any dynamism. Bilo Turton REG Helik Jackson Kassumu High Hungbo knockhart Jones Koroma. Our strikers are pointless anyway so may as well play more of a false 9, Rudoni could probably do the false 9 role also. Or 343 Bilo REG Helik Pearson Turton kassumu camara Jackson Hungbo 《koroma, Simpson any one with some pace) knockhart If we are going to run around like headless chickens..... we may as well have chickens that can run. That cheered me up no end, thank you. |
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Post by ram on Feb 12, 2023 12:10:03 GMT 1
Just as I expected.3 days is not enough time to coach players with no tactics to adopt some tactics.My comments on another thread were scoffed at,when I suggested a one off payment of £!million to someone with experience to come till the end of the season.I guess Hoyle will now lose a load of brass if we cannot get someone quick,an extra million would have been chicken feed over and above the cost of booting Fozz.
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Post by rockwall on Feb 12, 2023 12:25:33 GMT 1
We have put a load of leggy experience in the team, it's not worked. We need legs. I'd pick everyone with any dynamism. Bilo Turton REG Helik Jackson Kassumu High Hungbo knockhart Jones Koroma. Our strikers are pointless anyway so may as well play more of a false 9, Rudoni could probably do the false 9 role also. Or 343 Bilo REG Helik Pearson Turton kassumu camara Jackson Hungbo 《koroma, Simpson any one with some pace) knockhart Stopped reading when you included high. It's a football team not a marathon relay |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 12, 2023 12:27:15 GMT 1
Where has the Kasumu bashing come from? I don't think he has done too badly at all.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 12, 2023 12:49:34 GMT 1
The difference being that Pelach said he didn’t want the job whilst Schofield was going elsewhere if he didn’t get it and MF certainly wanted it. So I’m not sure why you’d expect an interim manager to get as much stick. Because he's just presided over one of the most inept performances in years. Another to add to the list this season. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 12, 2023 12:53:39 GMT 1
Right, had some time to calm down so I will explain my feelings with less emotion. We play too slow. Everything is sidewards and backwards and has been under all three managers. Hogg and Câmara just want to stop and look at how they can go backwards and this allows the opposing team time to get back and defend in numbers. We have no go forward attacking intent. A lot of people blame our attackers but they are so far away from any support how are they expected to be effective? We attack with one or two players trying to get forward whilst the other seven or eight defensive players watch from the halfway line. I watch other teams )for instance QPR last week) attack with five or six players bursting forward to help support the attack but we expect the one attacker and a Rudoni or Thomas (when he was here) to perform miracles against five, six or seven defenders. What I am trying to say is these poor performances are down to our tactics and this is what the players have been coached all season. Why not go two upfront, play a more attacking style and see if that makes things any better, it can’t be any worse! Instead we just play the same way and wonder why the results and performances haven’t changed. Oh, and going into administration isn’t the answer either as that could kill this club and we would receive a points deduction next season if we would have finished in the bottom three anyway. Fingers crossed Chico can get an improved performance Tuesday but if we persevere with the same tactics then the result will be the same. 100% Hogg has become a major issue and is now a hindrance to the side. Not all his fault because he doesn't have anyone along side him who can do it for him. His best seasons he's had Mooy and LoB playing next to him. So given that, my radical idea is to drop Rudoni into the Camara role. He works hard and doesn't shirk a tackle but we might lose out defensively a little bit. But we can't defend anyway so what difference does it make. Putting Rudoni deeper will allow him more time on the ball there's clearly a player in there but at the moment as soon as there is a defender anywhere near him he just kicks it in the air. Maybe with more space he will be able to find a pass. Can we try to get players that want to be found, if we do that. No one was moving yesterday. |
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Post by drewden on Feb 12, 2023 14:15:02 GMT 1
Our players are stuck in a rut, you have 2 players on the pitch in every game who commit forward and try and make something happen, the other 9 seem to play static, the more games you play like this, the worse it becomes, which is right now.
The opposition have a very big advantage in the way we play.
I really cannot see us surviving, the question is how do you get out of this rut.
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Post by rockwall on Feb 12, 2023 14:20:10 GMT 1
When Helik is fit, get Pearson up top.
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Pearson Rhodes
Lees for me been an issue. As much as Boyle has been slated by myself, he hasn't let us down.
Not pretty, but direct to Pearson.
Midfield is only there to win the ball, not to use when in possession.
It's ugly, but Rhodes feeding off Pearson. Woth Hungbo and Knockaert creating.
Why not try it?
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Post by schindlersmissed on Feb 12, 2023 14:38:08 GMT 1
When Helik is fit, get Pearson up top. Bilo Turton Boyle Helik Headley Hungbo Kasumu Hogg Knockaert Pearson Rhodes Lees for me been an issue. As much as Boyle has been slated by myself, he hasn't let us down. Not pretty, but direct to Pearson. Midfield is only there to win the ball, not to use when in possession. It's ugly, but Rhodes feeding off Pearson. Woth Hungbo and Knockaert creating. Why not try it? To be honest, given current predicament, I’ve heard worse ideas!! |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 12, 2023 14:39:32 GMT 1
100% Hogg has become a major issue and is now a hindrance to the side. Not all his fault because he doesn't have anyone along side him who can do it for him. His best seasons he's had Mooy and LoB playing next to him. So given that, my radical idea is to drop Rudoni into the Camara role. He works hard and doesn't shirk a tackle but we might lose out defensively a little bit. But we can't defend anyway so what difference does it make. Putting Rudoni deeper will allow him more time on the ball there's clearly a player in there but at the moment as soon as there is a defender anywhere near him he just kicks it in the air. Maybe with more space he will be able to find a pass. Midfield is our biggest problem, but Hogg is still comfortably our best midfielder. In fact he’s the only one who is Championship standard and he’s not the player he was. He must dream about playing with Mooy and Billing alongside him and then turn up to training thinking how has it come to this. Kasumu, Camara, Rudoni and High should be in B Team and we should be looking to off load them to lower league teams on loan. They don’t get in any other Championship side but somehow the club decided that was a midfield that was Championship standard. Incompetence beyond belief. Our best midfielder, apparently, can't control or pass a football, is painfully slow and only goes backwards. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 12, 2023 14:42:43 GMT 1
When Helik is fit, get Pearson up top. Bilo Turton Boyle Helik Headley Hungbo Kasumu Hogg Knockaert Pearson Rhodes Lees for me been an issue. As much as Boyle has been slated by myself, he hasn't let us down. Not pretty, but direct to Pearson. Midfield is only there to win the ball, not to use when in possession. It's ugly, but Rhodes feeding off Pearson. Woth Hungbo and Knockaert creating. Why not try it? That's what I couldn't fathom, yesterday. We had 3 fairly poor CB's on and we didn't throw one of them up front after we went behind, just to try and cause problems. |
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Post by hthp on Feb 12, 2023 14:44:28 GMT 1
Midfield is our biggest problem, but Hogg is still comfortably our best midfielder. In fact he’s the only one who is Championship standard and he’s not the player he was. He must dream about playing with Mooy and Billing alongside him and then turn up to training thinking how has it come to this. Kasumu, Camara, Rudoni and High should be in B Team and we should be looking to off load them to lower league teams on loan. They don’t get in any other Championship side but somehow the club decided that was a midfield that was Championship standard. Incompetence beyond belief. Our best midfielder, apparently, can't control or pass a football, is painfully slow and only goes backwards. And is a complete bully who bollocks everyone but never looks in the mirror and owns his own mistakes. |
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