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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 24, 2023 17:40:01 GMT 1
If we finish 2nd but we're less than 3 points above 3rd place, and the 3rd place side wins a playoff game, does that mean we're not promoted any more? I dunno..perhaps,, just a thought, the first part of the league season..the league table bit,, has concluded. So no.  |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 24, 2023 17:56:58 GMT 1
If we finish 2nd but we're less than 3 points above 3rd place, and the 3rd place side wins a playoff game, does that mean we're not promoted any more? Game over |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 24, 2023 17:58:33 GMT 1
If we finish 2nd but we're less than 3 points above 3rd place, and the 3rd place side wins a playoff game, does that mean we're not promoted any more? Game over Don't bet on it 🫣🫣🫣 |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 24, 2023 18:40:31 GMT 1
Yes. I can see how that's completely different from the playoffs. Im presuming thats sarcasm. Its not called the Premier Division Champions league is it? Its not run by a league at all. Theres no reward to your league position if you win it. Its a cup. The league season has two parts to it... for nearly 40 years now! The whole league season doesnt end until the last play off final ends. If a games part of the league season..and play offs are...its a league game. Good point. The League Cup fixtures are league games then aren't they? And Champions League qualification is only open to the champions. Presumably then, there's no place in the Champions League for finishing second. Maybe there's a place for the FA Cup champions though. Or.... |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 24, 2023 18:49:06 GMT 1
Im presuming thats sarcasm. Its not called the Premier Division Champions league is it? Its not run by a league at all. Theres no reward to your league position if you win it. Its a cup. The league season has two parts to it... for nearly 40 years now! The whole league season doesnt end until the last play off final ends. If a games part of the league season..and play offs are...its a league game. Good point. The League Cup fixtures are league games then aren't they? And Champions League qualification is only open to the champions. Presumably then, there's no place in the Champions League for finishing second. Maybe there's a place for the FA Cup champions though. Or.... Don't set him off again, mate, for fucks sake 🙉 |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 24, 2023 18:56:12 GMT 1
Haha.
I'm just playing.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Aug 24, 2023 18:57:33 GMT 1
Is it a league or cup game you are playing  |
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Post by Spike24 on Aug 24, 2023 18:58:09 GMT 1
as such has no bearing or differential whatsoever on the league standing, it only decides a promotion spot. . LOL.. so being promoted has no bearing on league standing?  playoffs have no bearing on league position no. As I said. |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 24, 2023 19:03:23 GMT 1
Is it a league or cup game you are playing I'm not sure. I can't tell the difference. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 24, 2023 23:26:03 GMT 1
Im presuming thats sarcasm. Its not called the Premier Division Champions league is it? Its not run by a league at all. Theres no reward to your league position if you win it. Its a cup. The league season has two parts to it... for nearly 40 years now! The whole league season doesnt end until the last play off final ends. If a games part of the league season..and play offs are...its a league game. Good point. The League Cup fixtures are league games then aren't they? And Champions League qualification is only open to the champions. Presumably then, there's no place in the Champions League for finishing second. Maybe there's a place for the FA Cup champions though. Or.... Hmmm Simple question..are the play offs part of the league season? If your answer is yes..then how are they NOT league games if theyre part of the league season? If your answer is no..then you must think the league season ends on completion of the 46 match table...all league matters resolved, everyone goes on holiday until the following season? Only that isnt what happens is it... |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 24, 2023 23:28:16 GMT 1
LOL.. so being promoted has no bearing on league standing? playoffs have no bearing on league position no. As I said. Is that so...only I could have sworn when weve won the play offs, the next season we were playing in a higher division...ie our league position had altered somewhat. Did I just imagine that? Honestly thats one of the biggest corkers ive read on here in years mate! |
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Post by merseysideterrier on Aug 25, 2023 0:47:22 GMT 1
To completely derail the thread, technically speaking play-off games are League Matches.
According to the definitions on page 247 of the EFL Regs 23/24, a 'League Match' is 'an Association Football Match in the League Competition'. The League Competition is unhelpfully defined as 'the annual League competition for Clubs organised by The League', but if you dig further down the wording seems to indicate that the play-offs are considered a distinct but integral part of the League Competition (see, for example, page 257 which mentions 'The Championship Play-Off of the League Competition'). The fact that play-off regulations are listed under Section 3, entitled 'The League', would confirm this view.
As play-off games are Association Football matches within the League Competition, they are by definition League Matches.
However the wording of the Regs isn't absolutely conclusive on whether the play-offs are fully part of the League Competition (for example in the definition of the word 'Season'on page 249). As common use of the term 'league game' generally means a regular season game which impacts league position for that season, which play-off games don't, you could make an argument the other way.
Perhaps we would be best agreeing that the play-offs are League Matches (capital L capital M) but not league games? And yes, I need to get a life.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 1:18:12 GMT 1
playoffs have no bearing on league position no. As I said. Is that so...only I could have sworn when weve won the play offs, the next season we were playing in a higher division...ie our league position had altered somewhat. Did I just imagine that? Honestly thats one of the biggest corkers ive read on here in years mate! Back to your greatest hits! Funnily enough, this dispute is a purely verbal dispute. You agree on all the facts - the play-offs games have no bearing on league position (which is what Spike just said) - no one's final league position (i.e. 1st - 24th) changes due to such games. Nor does their goal difference. But they do have a bearing on which teams are in which leagues the following season (which is what YOU just said). And, I suppose top scorers in the league season, etc., include play-off games. So it affects 'player stats' for the season, but not the final team stats (in the league table, at least). Whether you call it a 'league' game or a league spin-off 'play-off' game has no bearing on anything. Apart from what you call it. So it's not an argument about anything factual, but purely about shall we call this thing 'Bob' or 'Billy'. I reckon we should split the difference and call it 'B'. |
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Post by Spike24 on Aug 25, 2023 4:57:02 GMT 1
playoffs have no bearing on league position no. As I said. Is that so...only I could have sworn when weve won the play offs, the next season we were playing in a higher division...ie our league position had altered somewhat. Did I just imagine that? Honestly thats one of the biggest corkers ive read on here in years mate! But the league table stays the same, you just get P.O.W. at the side of your name. I'm confused as to your stance here as th league competition ceased 100%. Although the playoffs continue, the final standings and points tally is definitely completed. I suppose we can agree to disagree in this case, although I do respect your opinion. |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 25, 2023 8:14:02 GMT 1
Good point. The League Cup fixtures are league games then aren't they? And Champions League qualification is only open to the champions. Presumably then, there's no place in the Champions League for finishing second. Maybe there's a place for the FA Cup champions though. Or.... Hmmm Simple question..are the play offs part of the league season? If your answer is yes..then how are they NOT league games if theyre part of the league season? If your answer is no..then you must think the league season ends on completion of the 46 match table...all league matters resolved, everyone goes on holiday until the following season? Only that isnt what happens is it... I'm just playing, Slapps. You know I love you. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 25, 2023 9:57:48 GMT 1
Is that so...only I could have sworn when weve won the play offs, the next season we were playing in a higher division...ie our league position had altered somewhat. Did I just imagine that? Honestly thats one of the biggest corkers ive read on here in years mate! Back to your greatest hits! Funnily enough, this dispute is a purely verbal dispute. You agree on all the facts - the play-offs games have no bearing on league position (which is what Spike just said) - no one's final league position (i.e. 1st - 24th) changes due to such games. Nor does their goal difference. But they do have a bearing on which teams are in which leagues the following season (which is what YOU just said). And, I suppose top scorers in the league season, etc., include play-off games. So it affects 'player stats' for the season, but not the final team stats (in the league table, at least). Whether you call it a 'league' game or a league spin-off 'play-off' game has no bearing on anything. Apart from what you call it. So it's not an argument about anything factual, but purely about shall we call this thing 'Bob' or 'Billy'. I reckon we should split the difference and call it 'B'. Youre shortening' league table position' to just 'league position'...which we all do of course. A 'league' in its sporting sense, is just a competition between different competitors...it isnt restricted to being a table and there isnt a mention of 'table' in its definition. Its just a competition. the league competition obviously involves each team in a 46 game regular season and then a play off campaign and when all promotion and relegation issues are decided, the league season ends. Which is why I really cant get my head around why people think games that are part of the league season...ie- the league...somehow arent league games. Never will. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 25, 2023 9:59:01 GMT 1
Hmmm Simple question..are the play offs part of the league season? If your answer is yes..then how are they NOT league games if theyre part of the league season? If your answer is no..then you must think the league season ends on completion of the 46 match table...all league matters resolved, everyone goes on holiday until the following season? Only that isnt what happens is it... I'm just playing, Slapps. You know I love you. I do mate! I love this one every time it gets brought up!! |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 25, 2023 10:37:39 GMT 1
Its quite straight forward.
You qualify for a post season competition by finishing in the required league positions, just as you do for the champions league or the FA Cup.
The post league season competition is the play offs.
These are not recorded as league games. Therefore they are not league games.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Aug 25, 2023 11:55:47 GMT 1
Any chance you guys can set up a new post titled “Are play off games included in a league season” and debate over there?
I feel MF would be seething to know his post is getting derailed
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 25, 2023 12:10:01 GMT 1
Any chance you guys can set up a new post titled “Are play off games included in a league season” and debate over there? I feel MF would be seething to know his post is getting derailed Listen htfcfcfcfcfcacdcironnmaidenjudaspriest No one is going to derail this thread or they wont be in my team . As Felix said to me the other day you don't get too high with the highs or too low with the lows .. 1.08 per game I tell ya I'd have kept this magnificent club up we were getting better with every game . Hope that brings it back for you |
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Post by goodbet on Aug 25, 2023 12:23:50 GMT 1
It could be that the decision to bring Mark Mckay Fotheringham in to the club finally brought home to those in charge of the club that they were no longer fit to run it.
So should we appreciate him for that?
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 25, 2023 12:57:24 GMT 1
Any chance you guys can set up a new post titled “Are play off games included in a league season” and debate over there? I feel MF would be seething to know his post is getting derailed Listen htfcfcfcfcfcacdcironnmaidenjudaspriest No one is going to derail this thread or they wont be in my team . As Felix said to me the other day you don't get too high with the highs or too low with the lows .. 1.08 per game I tell ya I'd have kept this magnificent club up we were getting better with every game . Hope that brings it back for you 1.05 points per game ted. You still cant get it right. By the way, if you dont want me to reply to you,, probably an idea not to post mocking me. Just a thought. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 25, 2023 12:59:42 GMT 1
Its quite straight forward. You qualify for a post season competition by finishing in the required league positions, just as you do for the champions league or the FA Cup. The post league season competition is the play offs. These are not recorded as league games. Therefore they are not league games. well no..in any way... but I sense people are becoming bored of this debate, so until next time.. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 25, 2023 13:03:20 GMT 1
Listen htfcfcfcfcfcacdcironnmaidenjudaspriest No one is going to derail this thread or they wont be in my team . As Felix said to me the other day you don't get too high with the highs or too low with the lows .. 1.08 per game I tell ya I'd have kept this magnificent club up we were getting better with every game . Hope that brings it back for you 1.05 points per game ted. You still cant get it right. By the way, if you dont want me to reply to you,, probably an idea not to post mocking me. Just a thought. I was just about to like your post till you edited it .. mocking you ? I guess there's another report to admin incoming ffs |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 25, 2023 13:26:08 GMT 1
remember Harry Enfield's Kevin character? " Its not fair...you hate me!!" |
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Post by boothyisourking on Sept 3, 2023 13:39:50 GMT 1
Just nearly threw up seeing his awful face sat next to jurgen klinsmann at rangers Celtic match 🤮
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Post by htafcjack on Sept 3, 2023 13:42:26 GMT 1
Came straight on here to see if anyone else noticed hahaha!
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Post by rugbyterrier on Sept 3, 2023 13:57:45 GMT 1
Just nearly threw up seeing his awful face sat next to jurgen klinsmann at rangers Celtic match 🤮 He taught Klinsmann everything he knows. 🤣🤣 |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 3, 2023 14:03:00 GMT 1
The Sevco job could be up to grabs soon, maybe Buzz fancies it 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by sabailand on Sept 3, 2023 14:04:07 GMT 1
It will go on his CV.
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