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Post by rockwall on Aug 23, 2023 19:33:30 GMT 1
Sorry Captain but he was a disaster. Not a chance he’d have got close to Warnock’s total. No idea if the players liked him or not but we weren’t staying up with him in charge On a personal note, never in my ~36 years of watching Town have I ever had to avoid watching a manager pre or post match interview no matter how crap the team was. I suspect I wasn’t alone. Captain's points per game comment is a legitimate argument to be fair, but most fans from a subjective viewpoint are very confident he would not have got the points required to survive. It is technically hearsay he lost the dressing room but I've heard it plenty times and it certainly looked that way after the Blackpool and Wigan games. Also Hoyle certainly wasn't confident Foz could do it did he, cost a fair few quid to get rid of him and pay for Warnock. He wasn't in charge at Wigan. Personally, points per game facts don't take into consideration morale amd confidence etc. I believe the points per game would have reduced as the rest of the season went on if MF had stayed in charge. I do get slapps points. But any person watching that morons team, should have seen enough to know we would have more than likely come bottom, even with other teams deductions. No way would we have won at Millwall and Watford. Sheff Utd and Boro would not have lost to us either. |
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Post by waggers on Aug 23, 2023 20:37:47 GMT 1
Captain's points per game comment is a legitimate argument to be fair, but most fans from a subjective viewpoint are very confident he would not have got the points required to survive. It is technically hearsay he lost the dressing room but I've heard it plenty times and it certainly looked that way after the Blackpool and Wigan games. Also Hoyle certainly wasn't confident Foz could do it did he, cost a fair few quid to get rid of him and pay for Warnock. He wasn't in charge at Wigan. Personally, points per game facts don't take into consideration morale amd confidence etc. I believe the points per game would have reduced as the rest of the season went on if MF had stayed in charge. I do get slapps points. But any person watching that morons team, should have seen enough to know we would have more than likely come bottom, even with other teams deductions. No way would we have won at Millwall and Watford. Sheff Utd and Boro would not have lost to us either. Sorry yeah he wasn't in charge for Wigan but yes like you say the points per game would have tanked further the longer he stayed in charge. It was vital he was given the boot, it was ludicrous he was put in charge but at least the financially expensive call to get rid and appoin Warmock was made just in time. |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 23, 2023 20:46:14 GMT 1
We were shite and getting worse under that clown.
Anyone who thinks we'd have stayed up under him is, in my opinion, fucking puddled 😂
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 23, 2023 20:50:19 GMT 1
We were shite and getting worse under that clown. Anyone who thinks we'd have stayed up under him is, in my opinion, fucking puddled 😂 Be careful |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 20:52:51 GMT 1
Listening to a Fotheringham interview was like reading a Tweet by Sophie Corcoran.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 23, 2023 23:13:04 GMT 1
Lost what ted? My ability to work out a points per game ratio? No, think that was you. Damn those pesky facts! Sorry Captain but he was a disaster. Not a chance he’d have got close to Warnock’s total. No idea if the players liked him or not but we weren’t staying up with him in charge On a personal note, never in my ~36 years of watching Town have I ever had to avoid watching a manager pre or post match interview no matter how crap the team was. I suspect I wasn’t alone. I dont think he'd have got near Warnocks total either.. but even if he'd have got 9 fewer points than Warnock did we would still have stayed up! So he didnt need to get near it to do that. I understand why people think we wouldn't have stayed up.. and who knows they might be right...but amongst this big pile on its an irrefutable fact that the points per game he did manage,, contending with a horrendous injury crisis for most of it,, would have been enough to keep us up..both if taken over a whole season, or if he'd just stayed and maintained it for the rest of the season. Just trying to add a bit of balance. I do agree though, his interviews were atrocious and he came over terribly really. |
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Post by westislandterrier on Aug 24, 2023 0:03:01 GMT 1
Oh he did change things, we got worse. He sure did - “Listen” - I’m no hear to be anyone’s friend - “Listen” - “Listen” - A strange and inexperienced appointment to the very very cut throat and unforgiving Championship environment... He came, He saw, But he didn’t conquer - But as a fellow Scot - I wish him well in his future endeavours wherever that maybe in football management... Dumbarton FC or Clachnacuddin ! 😬 😉 |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Aug 24, 2023 7:32:30 GMT 1
Sorry Captain but he was a disaster. Not a chance he’d have got close to Warnock’s total. No idea if the players liked him or not but we weren’t staying up with him in charge On a personal note, never in my ~36 years of watching Town have I ever had to avoid watching a manager pre or post match interview no matter how crap the team was. I suspect I wasn’t alone. I dont think he'd have got near Warnocks total either.. but even if he'd have got 9 fewer points than Warnock did we would still have stayed up! So he didnt need to get near it to do that. I understand why people think we wouldn't have stayed up.. and who knows they might be right...but amongst this big pile on its an irrefutable fact that the points per game he did manage,, contending with a horrendous injury crisis for most of it,, would have been enough to keep us up..both if taken over a whole season, or if he'd just stayed and maintained it for the rest of the season. Just trying to add a bit of balance. I do agree though, his interviews were atrocious and he came over terribly really. Get where you’re coming from and I’m all for a bit of balance and perspective. My only issue with the 9 points is the final game in the end was a dead rubber. 3 points less from any of the games we won under Warnock (Brum, Milwall, Watford, Middlesbrough, Cardiff, Sheff U) and we go into that final game in a straight shoot out with Reading. Can you imagine that scenario under MF 😂 Would we have won 5 of those, even 4 of them to me seems a stretch the way we were playing. Immediately prior to Brum, we’d just failed to beat a sinking QPR at home, drew at 10 man Blackpool, lost at Wigan and been hammered by Stoke. (I know MF wasn’t managing all of those) Anyway, as you say it’s all ifs and buts and no one will ever know. Glad we agree on the interviews. Truly cringeworthy stuff! |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 24, 2023 7:56:22 GMT 1
Play off finals are league games in slaps world so why not? You mean League 1, League 2 and Championship play off finals where one team moves up a division in the league?? No, theyre nothing to do with the league obviously!  Do you class all those end of season contrived nonsense in rugby league as league matches? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 24, 2023 9:23:43 GMT 1
You mean League 1, League 2 and Championship play off finals where one team moves up a division in the league?? No, theyre nothing to do with the league obviously! Do you class all those end of season contrived nonsense in rugby league as league matches? I dont know anything about how RL ends its season, but if its the same as footballs play offs, then yes I would. It just continually amazes me how almost 40 years after they started people still cant get their head round the fact the league season has two parts to it now. The regular season ( based around a league table) ..and then the play offs. All those games are part of the league season and are therefore league games. The league season doesnt end until the final whistle of the last play off final. Unless someone can explain to me how a game that is irrefutably part of the league season ISNT a league game,,,( and then maybe tell me what it is if it isnt!) ...then Im not going to change my opinion on this! |
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 24, 2023 9:33:25 GMT 1
Even the Football League themselves say they aren't league games, but it's okay because Captainslapper says they are...
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 24, 2023 9:36:34 GMT 1
Even the Football League themselves say they aren't league games, but it's okay because Captainslapper says they are... I'm fairly sure the table still says 46 games played at the end of the season, not 48 for 2 and 49 for 2 😉 |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 24, 2023 10:58:48 GMT 1
Even the Football League themselves say they aren't league games, but it's okay because Captainslapper says they are... maybe they can explain that last point then? |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 24, 2023 12:57:00 GMT 1
I always thought the EFL playoffs were a separate competition that you qualified for by finishing in the 4 spaces below automatic promotion. The prize for winning it being a promotion place.
In much the same way as you qualify for the Champions League by finishing high enough up the Premier League table, but Champions League fixtures are not Premier League fixtures.
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Post by 28901 on Aug 24, 2023 12:59:30 GMT 1
Even the Football League themselves say they aren't league games, but it's okay because Captainslapper says they are... Opinion is divided on the matter. All the other captains say it is... |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 24, 2023 15:09:07 GMT 1
I always thought the EFL playoffs were a separate competition that you qualified for by finishing in the 4 spaces below automatic promotion. The prize for winning it being a promotion place. In much the same way as you qualify for the Champions League by finishing high enough up the Premier League table, but Champions League fixtures are not Premier League fixtures. Well no, champions league fixtures arent league fixtures, theyre cup fixtures even though you qualify through league position. You also qualify for the league cup through your league position..but they arent league games either,, thats a cup too. The league season has two parts to it...it basically boils down to that... which is why it's called 'The championship play off final.. 'The League 1 play off final' etc... its part of the league season. Perhaps we should just copy and paste this discussion from the previous time whenever it rears its ugly head?  |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 24, 2023 15:23:11 GMT 1
I always thought the EFL playoffs were a separate competition that you qualified for by finishing in the 4 spaces below automatic promotion. The prize for winning it being a promotion place. In much the same way as you qualify for the Champions League by finishing high enough up the Premier League table, but Champions League fixtures are not Premier League fixtures. Well no, champions league fixtures arent league fixtures, theyre cup fixtures even though you qualify through league position. You also qualify for the league cup through your league position..but they arent league games either,, thats a cup too. The league season has two parts to it...it basically boils down to that... which is why it's called 'The championship play off final.. 'The League 1 play off final' etc... its part of the league season. Perhaps we should just copy and paste this discussion from the previous time whenever it rears its ugly head? How do you qualify for the League Cup through your league position ? |
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Post by nutjacker on Aug 24, 2023 15:31:42 GMT 1
Does anyone know what he’s up to these days?
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 24, 2023 15:35:33 GMT 1
Does anyone know what he’s up to these days? Apprentice scaffolder ? |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 24, 2023 15:37:18 GMT 1
Does anyone know what he’s up to these days? Laughing all the way to the bank |
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Post by willo on Aug 24, 2023 15:48:04 GMT 1
My appreciation is he’s no longer our “manager”.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 24, 2023 15:56:45 GMT 1
I've heard he's got a new agent 😏
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 24, 2023 16:23:39 GMT 1
Well no, champions league fixtures arent league fixtures, theyre cup fixtures even though you qualify through league position. You also qualify for the league cup through your league position..but they arent league games either,, thats a cup too. The league season has two parts to it...it basically boils down to that... which is why it's called 'The championship play off final.. 'The League 1 play off final' etc... its part of the league season. Perhaps we should just copy and paste this discussion from the previous time whenever it rears its ugly head? How do you qualify for the League Cup through your league position ? You have to be in the top 4 divisions. If you drop out of the EFl you dont qualify,,if you get promoted into it you do,,and if youre in the top 30( I think ) the previous season you skip the first round. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 24, 2023 16:25:42 GMT 1
Does anyone know what he’s up to these days? If hes any sense hes taking a media training course on the off chance he ever gets another managerial job. |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 24, 2023 16:29:04 GMT 1
I always thought the EFL playoffs were a separate competition that you qualified for by finishing in the 4 spaces below automatic promotion. The prize for winning it being a promotion place. In much the same way as you qualify for the Champions League by finishing high enough up the Premier League table, but Champions League fixtures are not Premier League fixtures. You also qualify for the league cup through your league position..but they arent league games either,, thats a cup too. The league season has two parts to it...it basically boils down to that... which is why it's called 'The championship play off final.. 'The League 1 play off final' etc... its part of the league season. Perhaps we should just copy and paste this discussion from the previous time whenever it rears its ugly head? Yes. I can see how that's completely different from the playoffs. |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 24, 2023 16:29:57 GMT 1
How do you qualify for the League Cup through your league position ? You have to be in the top 4 divisions. If you drop out of the EFl you dont qualify,,if you get promoted into it you do,,and if youre in the top 30( I think ) the previous season you skip the first round. If you're in the league, you're in the League Cup. It's not open to anyone else 🤔 |
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Post by Spike24 on Aug 24, 2023 16:32:24 GMT 1
Do you class all those end of season contrived nonsense in rugby league as league matches? I dont know anything about how RL ends its season, but if its the same as footballs play offs, then yes I would. It just continually amazes me how almost 40 years after they started people still cant get their head round the fact the league season has two parts to it now. The regular season ( based around a league table) ..and then the play offs. All those games are part of the league season and are therefore league games. The league season doesnt end until the final whistle of the last play off final. Unless someone can explain to me how a game that is irrefutably part of the league season ISNT a league game,,,( and then maybe tell me what it is if it isnt!) ...then Im not going to change my opinion on this! Is it not 'the football league' followed by 'the playoffs'. I'm 100% sure they market it as such, the only differential is from the league from which its contested, which round, and which leg. Don't think I ever heard the phrase ' vital 3 points' or such in reference to these POST SEASON games, and as such has no bearing or differential whatsoever on the league standing, it only decides a promotion spot. You talk tripe. |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 24, 2023 16:52:57 GMT 1
If we finish 2nd but we're less than 3 points above 3rd place, and the 3rd place side wins a playoff game, does that mean we're not promoted any more?
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 24, 2023 17:36:41 GMT 1
Well no, champions league fixtures arent league fixtures, theyre cup fixtures even though you qualify through league position. You also qualify for the league cup through your league position..but they arent league games either,, thats a cup too. The league season has two parts to it...it basically boils down to that... which is why it's called 'The championship play off final.. 'The League 1 play off final' etc... its part of the league season. Perhaps we should just copy and paste this discussion from the previous time whenever it rears its ugly head? Yes. I can see how that's completely different from the playoffs. Im presuming thats sarcasm. Its not called the Premier Division Champions league is it? Its not run by a league at all. Theres no reward to your league position if you win it. Its a cup. The league season has two parts to it... for nearly 40 years now! The whole league season doesnt end until the last play off final ends. If a games part of the league season..and play offs are...its a league game. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 24, 2023 17:38:16 GMT 1
as such has no bearing or differential whatsoever on the league standing, it only decides a promotion spot. . LOL.. so being promoted has no bearing on league standing?  |
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