Tiro
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Post by Tiro on Feb 14, 2023 10:13:30 GMT 1
Some ‘people’ doesn’t make a majority however, no matter how many people you see. As upthetown says, it’s not a representative sample. On the point. I agree the board wanted Chico to win but I know they never once considered him full time to the end of the season or otherwise. He would have only been given the role until they could find someone willing; if that had have taken until the end of the season, it’s not because they planned for it. The procurement of Reina was simply just to give Chico some support. We’d not just lost a head coach, we also lost Miller and Chico’s job was / is big enough already without having to cover multiple roles. Hence the rolling contact and not a commitment to a permanent contract to back Chico as a dedicated solution. Well thank God he didn't get it. And thank god the circles of folk you see on social media don’t have a vote…. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Feb 14, 2023 10:24:25 GMT 1
to be fair Chicho will not get the job long term. It would be a worse appointment than that of Schofield IMO.
At least now we have a gaffer in (until the end of the season) who will give us a chance. That is all we can ask at the moment.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 14, 2023 10:28:57 GMT 1
I don’t believe this for a minute. They hoped Chicho would win, obviously, but I believe they were always looking for a manager until the end of the season to come in. It was obvious they, and a large amount of the fans, wanted him to have the job. Do you take tablets for always being right? I bet you’re a right barrel of laughs in a debate… Huddersfield’s angry Frank… 😉 |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Feb 14, 2023 10:42:11 GMT 1
I dont think they ever had any intention of appointing pelach. Discussions with Warnock ( and maybe others too ) will have started well before that wigan game. As for the new Spanish coach, suppose if they think he has something good to offer then he'll probably stay until the summer, maybe longer. Hes a fitness guy isnt he? They shouldn't really have a future here anyway after the end of the season. I'm always of the opinion that a new manager should bring in his own staff in. Don't understand this instience with Town of keeping assistant managers, and valuing them more than the manager at times. Strange. Town keep talking about consistency.. see Schofield appointment. Then Schofield changes how we play 🙈🙉 |
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Post by artysid on Feb 14, 2023 11:15:33 GMT 1
Surely this is an appointment we can all support even if it doesn't work out.
Well done Dean!
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Post by morleyterrier on Feb 14, 2023 11:29:30 GMT 1
Surely this is an appointment we can all support even if it doesn't work out. Well done Dean! Agreed. Be interesting to see what reaction he gets if the results are not good enough. I still maintain that the Players have had it easy and somehow managed to be largely devoid of any responsibility on here whilst seeing off two Managers. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 14, 2023 11:31:18 GMT 1
Hopefully Warnock will signal a bit more good fortune for us too.
Turton out for 6 months now apparently.
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Feb 14, 2023 11:34:08 GMT 1
First time I’ve genuinely looked forward to a home game since probably August. I'm the same. I actually can't wait for Saturday now, I never thought I'd be a fair weather fab UTT |
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Post by dugnet on Feb 14, 2023 11:37:49 GMT 1
Surely this is an appointment we can all support even if it doesn't work out. Well done Dean! This won't be popular with some but as much as I welcome Neil's return to Town I am afraid it is entirely as a result of more poor planning and thinking. This appointment will cost the club money, just as the firing of DS and MF will have cost something. How much over the budget that was set in July 22? Whatever it is it shows a lack of thought, a lack of a clear plan and the failure to have an alignment to an identity. Why do I make this point? Because some argue vehemently that people just expect money to be thrown at any problem (on the pitch). What has happened this season is example of many people's reasonable frustration at our plans, or lack of them, and ability to waste money. I have never been an advocate of throwing money willy-nilly at things but another series of costly blunders make those who defend those responsible look a bit ridiculous. I do accept there will be a change and this latest, desperate?, decision is done with the best intentions of trying to maintain Town's Championship status. If it is successful everyone will be justifiably happy/relieved. I hope Neil is the catalyst we need and we can hopefully look forward to a transition of ownership as a Championship club. Where I will give DH credit is it is clearly, well to me at least, his personal relationship with Neil that has enabled this appointment. I doubt Neil would have solely taken the job for cash. Good luck Neil. Here's hoping you do put smiles on faces and we are all able smile come May. |
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Post by ram on Feb 14, 2023 11:51:21 GMT 1
I quite like Warnock.I also like Ronnie as well. Good omens. UTT
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Feb 14, 2023 12:03:44 GMT 1
Surely this is an appointment we can all support even if it doesn't work out. Well done Dean! This won't be popular with some but as much as I welcome Neil's return to Town I am afraid it is entirely as a result of more poor planning and thinking. This appointment will cost the club money, just as the firing of DS and MF will have cost something. How much over the budget that was set in July 22? Whatever it is it shows a lack of thought, a lack of a clear plan and the failure to have an alignment to an identity. Why do I make this point? Because some argue vehemently that people just expect money to be thrown at any problem (on the pitch). What has happened this season is example of many people's reasonable frustration at our plans, or lack of them, and ability to waste money. I have never been an advocate of throwing money willy-nilly at things but another series of costly blunders make those who defend those responsible look a bit ridiculous. I do accept there will be a change and this latest, desperate?, decision is done with the best intentions of trying to maintain Town's Championship status. If it is successful everyone will be justifiably happy/relieved. I hope Neil is the catalyst we need and we can hopefully look forward to a transition of ownership as a Championship club. Where I will give DH credit is it is clearly, well to me at least, his personal relationship with Neil that has enabled this appointment. I doubt Neil would have solely taken the job for cash. Good luck Neil. Here's hoping you do put smiles on faces and we are all able smile come May. You've hit the nail on the head there pal. If the money that has been wasted throughout the course of the season, had been put into giving CC an actually workable transfer budget, then he would still be here and we wouldn't be in this mess. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 14, 2023 12:08:57 GMT 1
Surely this is an appointment we can all support even if it doesn't work out. Well done Dean! This won't be popular with some but as much as I welcome Neil's return to Town I am afraid it is entirely as a result of more poor planning and thinking. This appointment will cost the club money, just as the firing of DS and MF will have cost something. How much over the budget that was set in July 22? Whatever it is it shows a lack of thought, a lack of a clear plan and the failure to have an alignment to an identity. Why do I make this point? Because some argue vehemently that people just expect money to be thrown at any problem (on the pitch). What has happened this season is example of many people's reasonable frustration at our plans, or lack of them, and ability to waste money. I have never been an advocate of throwing money willy-nilly at things but another series of costly blunders make those who defend those responsible look a bit ridiculous. I do accept there will be a change and this latest, desperate?, decision is done with the best intentions of trying to maintain Town's Championship status. If it is successful everyone will be justifiably happy/relieved. I hope Neil is the catalyst we need and we can hopefully look forward to a transition of ownership as a Championship club. Where I will give DH credit is it is clearly, well to me at least, his personal relationship with Neil that has enabled this appointment. I doubt Neil would have solely taken the job for cash. Good luck Neil. Here's hoping you do put smiles on faces and we are all able smile come May. Arent you confusing not having a plan with having a plan but it not being a success? Just because something hasnt worked, doesnt mean it wasnt a clear plan or there was a lack of thought behind it!! When do you imagine football became this thing that if you plan something and think about it enough, it is then guaranteed to work?? We have a budget and like any club ,or business in general, you make plans within the restrictions of that budget, even if some fans constantly demand more money being put in. If the plans fail, you do what you can , perhaps outside that budget if thats possible, to try and rectify it. And yeah it is a waste of money... making mistakes in business generally is. |
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Post by lankystreak on Feb 14, 2023 12:10:01 GMT 1
They need to get the fella (Simon Normington?) in who did the mid 90s season reviews in to do a video of this til the end of the season. A New Beginning still sends shivers down my spine just thinking about it.
I've 100% fallen out of love with watching live football since our promotion season but this appointment has got me thinking about it again.
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Post by morleyterrier on Feb 14, 2023 12:12:52 GMT 1
They need to get the fella (Simon Normington?) in who did the mid 90s season reviews in to do a video of this til the end of the season. A New Beginning still sends shivers down my spine just thinking about it. I've 100% fallen out of love with watching live football since our promotion season but this appointment has got me thinking about it again. I just wish he (and Jeppo) were signed up for next season. If we do get relegated, the blow would be softened as we would have a lot to look forward to next season. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 14, 2023 12:13:45 GMT 1
This won't be popular with some but as much as I welcome Neil's return to Town I am afraid it is entirely as a result of more poor planning and thinking. This appointment will cost the club money, just as the firing of DS and MF will have cost something. How much over the budget that was set in July 22? Whatever it is it shows a lack of thought, a lack of a clear plan and the failure to have an alignment to an identity. Why do I make this point? Because some argue vehemently that people just expect money to be thrown at any problem (on the pitch). What has happened this season is example of many people's reasonable frustration at our plans, or lack of them, and ability to waste money. I have never been an advocate of throwing money willy-nilly at things but another series of costly blunders make those who defend those responsible look a bit ridiculous. I do accept there will be a change and this latest, desperate?, decision is done with the best intentions of trying to maintain Town's Championship status. If it is successful everyone will be justifiably happy/relieved. I hope Neil is the catalyst we need and we can hopefully look forward to a transition of ownership as a Championship club. Where I will give DH credit is it is clearly, well to me at least, his personal relationship with Neil that has enabled this appointment. I doubt Neil would have solely taken the job for cash. Good luck Neil. Here's hoping you do put smiles on faces and we are all able smile come May. You've hit the nail on the head there pal. If the money that has been wasted throughout the course of the season, had been put into giving CC an actually workable transfer budget, then he would still be here and we wouldn't be in this mess. DATM hindsight again! problem with that is he was clearly going to leave anyway. The few hundred grand weve probably wasted on Schofield and Fotheringham this season wouldn't have persuaded a manager who was obviously keen to 'cash in' on his high stock and move on to say no, Ill stay at this club. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Feb 14, 2023 12:19:26 GMT 1
You've hit the nail on the head there pal. If the money that has been wasted throughout the course of the season, had been put into giving CC an actually workable transfer budget, then he would still be here and we wouldn't be in this mess. DATM hindsight again! problem with that is he was clearly going to leave anyway. The few hundred grand weve probably wasted on Schofield and Fotheringham this season wouldn't have persuaded a manager who was obviously keen to 'cash in' on his high stock and move on to say no, Ill stay at this club. I love this Corberan wasn't backed or going to be backed rhetoric (or bullshit). It fits the anti-Club agenda. When somebody gives me context, numbers and substantiates it. I will believe it. No assumptions, facts. My own (unsubstantiated) view is he was tapped up and left for more money. Nothing wrong with that, just don't pin it on the Club. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2023 12:22:41 GMT 1
Hopefully Warnock will signal a bit more good fortune for us too. Turton out for 6 months now apparently. And the Wigan fans were booing him because he didn't use the stretcher to go off on 🤬 |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2023 12:25:16 GMT 1
This won't be popular with some but as much as I welcome Neil's return to Town I am afraid it is entirely as a result of more poor planning and thinking. This appointment will cost the club money, just as the firing of DS and MF will have cost something. How much over the budget that was set in July 22? Whatever it is it shows a lack of thought, a lack of a clear plan and the failure to have an alignment to an identity. Why do I make this point? Because some argue vehemently that people just expect money to be thrown at any problem (on the pitch). What has happened this season is example of many people's reasonable frustration at our plans, or lack of them, and ability to waste money. I have never been an advocate of throwing money willy-nilly at things but another series of costly blunders make those who defend those responsible look a bit ridiculous. I do accept there will be a change and this latest, desperate?, decision is done with the best intentions of trying to maintain Town's Championship status. If it is successful everyone will be justifiably happy/relieved. I hope Neil is the catalyst we need and we can hopefully look forward to a transition of ownership as a Championship club. Where I will give DH credit is it is clearly, well to me at least, his personal relationship with Neil that has enabled this appointment. I doubt Neil would have solely taken the job for cash. Good luck Neil. Here's hoping you do put smiles on faces and we are all able smile come May. Arent you confusing not having a plan with having a plan but it not being a success? Just because something hasnt worked, doesnt mean it wasnt a clear plan or there was a lack of thought behind it!! When do you imagine football became this thing that if you plan something and think about it enough, it is then guaranteed to work?? We have a budget and like any club ,or business in general, you make plans within the restrictions of that budget, even if some fans constantly demand more money being put in. If the plans fail, you do what you can , perhaps outside that budget if thats possible, to try and rectify it. And yeah it is a waste of money... making mistakes in business generally is. Someone's sent out the Slapps Signal (3,000,000 post thread) |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2023 12:27:27 GMT 1
You've hit the nail on the head there pal. If the money that has been wasted throughout the course of the season, had been put into giving CC an actually workable transfer budget, then he would still be here and we wouldn't be in this mess. DATM hindsight again! problem with that is he was clearly going to leave anyway. The few hundred grand weve probably wasted on Schofield and Fotheringham this season wouldn't have persuaded a manager who was obviously keen to 'cash in' on his high stock and move on to say no, Ill stay at this club. A few hundred grand, you missed the bit where it was going to be 7 figures to get shut of Buzz |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Feb 14, 2023 12:27:54 GMT 1
This won't be popular with some but as much as I welcome Neil's return to Town I am afraid it is entirely as a result of more poor planning and thinking. This appointment will cost the club money, just as the firing of DS and MF will have cost something. How much over the budget that was set in July 22? Whatever it is it shows a lack of thought, a lack of a clear plan and the failure to have an alignment to an identity. Why do I make this point? Because some argue vehemently that people just expect money to be thrown at any problem (on the pitch). What has happened this season is example of many people's reasonable frustration at our plans, or lack of them, and ability to waste money. I have never been an advocate of throwing money willy-nilly at things but another series of costly blunders make those who defend those responsible look a bit ridiculous. I do accept there will be a change and this latest, desperate?, decision is done with the best intentions of trying to maintain Town's Championship status. If it is successful everyone will be justifiably happy/relieved. I hope Neil is the catalyst we need and we can hopefully look forward to a transition of ownership as a Championship club. Where I will give DH credit is it is clearly, well to me at least, his personal relationship with Neil that has enabled this appointment. I doubt Neil would have solely taken the job for cash. Good luck Neil. Here's hoping you do put smiles on faces and we are all able smile come May. Arent you confusing not having a plan with having a plan but it not being a success? Just because something hasnt worked, doesnt mean it wasnt a clear plan or there was a lack of thought behind it!! When do you imagine football became this thing that if you plan something and think about it enough, it is then guaranteed to work?? We have a budget and like any club ,or business in general, you make plans within the restrictions of that budget, even if some fans constantly demand more money being put in. If the plans fail, you do what you can , perhaps outside that budget if thats possible, to try and rectify it. And yeah it is a waste of money... making mistakes in business generally is. It is just plain and simple bad planning though, isn't it? And that's certainly not said with hindsight, as you've mentioned above, either. How many people said straight away that the Schofield appointment wouldn't work out? We pretty much all knew it, didn't we? It was too soon and it was a terrible plan following the success of 2022. That isn't hindsight, it was more logic than anything. Logic that was proved to be correct. Then Fotheringham. Again, the immediate consensus was that it was another terrible appointment at a time when we could ill afford one. Of course Dean didn't plan for it to go this way, but it's how it's ended up due to the clubs terrible plan of going cheap as chips. Again, by applying basic logic you can tell exactly how that approach will eventually work out, and here we are! |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2023 12:29:00 GMT 1
DATM hindsight again! problem with that is he was clearly going to leave anyway. The few hundred grand weve probably wasted on Schofield and Fotheringham this season wouldn't have persuaded a manager who was obviously keen to 'cash in' on his high stock and move on to say no, Ill stay at this club. I love this Corberan wasn't backed or going to be backed rhetoric (or bullshit). It fits the anti-Club agenda. When somebody gives me context, numbers and substantiates it. I will believe it. No assumptions, facts. My own (unsubstantiated) view is he was tapped up and left for more money. Nothing wrong with that, just don't pin it on the Club. More money, like the club kept giving Wagner everytime he fluttered his eyelashes at another club ? |
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Post by waggers on Feb 14, 2023 12:29:34 GMT 1
DATM hindsight again! problem with that is he was clearly going to leave anyway. The few hundred grand weve probably wasted on Schofield and Fotheringham this season wouldn't have persuaded a manager who was obviously keen to 'cash in' on his high stock and move on to say no, Ill stay at this club. I love this Corberan wasn't backed or going to be backed rhetoric (or bullshit). It fits the anti-Club agenda. When somebody gives me context, numbers and substantiates it. I will believe it. No assumptions, facts. My own (unsubstantiated) view is he was tapped up and left for more money. Nothing wrong with that, just don't pin it on the Club. I've criticised the club for the CC saga but you are right we don't know the full story and likely never will. I too think he was tapped up before the final and was always leaving if we failed to get promotion. Hoyle has made a fair few gaffs but I believe CC would have been given a bigger budget than what was eventually spent, think by the time it was all revealed it was too late. I do think the club should have taken their time and brought in a much more experienced manager than Schofield. Think he was thrown in at the deep end and what happened was inevitable. Anyway we've got Warnock in now things will be different let's just get behind them all and put up a fight. |
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Post by hthp on Feb 14, 2023 12:38:57 GMT 1
I love this Corberan wasn't backed or going to be backed rhetoric (or bullshit). It fits the anti-Club agenda. When somebody gives me context, numbers and substantiates it. I will believe it. No assumptions, facts. My own (unsubstantiated) view is he was tapped up and left for more money. Nothing wrong with that, just don't pin it on the Club. More money, like the club kept giving Wagner everytime he fluttered his eyelashes at another club ? Wagner was worth it. |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Feb 14, 2023 12:46:54 GMT 1
More money, like the club kept giving Wagner everytime he fluttered his eyelashes at another club ? Wagner was worth it. So was Carlos to be fair. Should have been given a new contract as a reward of getting us to Wembley. If the idea was to try and slash the budget then surely keeping hold of your main asset that can work with budget friendly players was the key to that idea. |
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Feb 14, 2023 12:58:42 GMT 1
Arent you confusing not having a plan with having a plan but it not being a success? Just because something hasnt worked, doesnt mean it wasnt a clear plan or there was a lack of thought behind it!! When do you imagine football became this thing that if you plan something and think about it enough, it is then guaranteed to work?? We have a budget and like any club ,or business in general, you make plans within the restrictions of that budget, even if some fans constantly demand more money being put in. If the plans fail, you do what you can , perhaps outside that budget if thats possible, to try and rectify it. And yeah it is a waste of money... making mistakes in business generally is. It is just plain and simple bad planning though, isn't it? And that's certainly not said with hindsight, as you've mentioned above, either. How many people said straight away that the Schofield appointment wouldn't work out? We pretty much all knew it, didn't we? It was too soon and it was a terrible plan following the success of 2022. That isn't hindsight, it was more logic than anything. Logic that was proved to be correct. Then Fotheringham. Again, the immediate consensus was that it was another terrible appointment at a time when we could ill afford one. Of course Dean didn't plan for it to go this way, but it's how it's ended up due to the clubs terrible plan of going cheap as chips. Again, by applying basic logic you can tell exactly how that approach will eventually work out, and here we are! Our last 6 permanent managers were all pretty much unknowns. Either never done it before or stepping up from lower league in the Cowley's instance. Wagner Siewert Cowley Corberan Schofield Fotheringham The key is picking good ones - I don't think "cheap as chips" as you put it is necessarily doomed to failure - we've just been shit at picking them lately. |
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Post by hthp on Feb 14, 2023 12:59:09 GMT 1
So was Carlos to be fair. Should have been given a new contract as a reward of getting us to Wembley. If the idea was to try and slash the budget then surely keeping hold of your main asset that can work with budget friendly players was the key to that idea. He got a four and a half year contract in 2021, he didn't need another one. |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Feb 14, 2023 13:10:15 GMT 1
What will happen with the Spanish assistant we brought in a few days ago out of interest? He was on a rolling contact , rolled in and rolled out …. An olé roller indeed... |
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Post by runner76 on Feb 14, 2023 13:12:55 GMT 1
So was Carlos to be fair. Should have been given a new contract as a reward of getting us to Wembley. If the idea was to try and slash the budget then surely keeping hold of your main asset that can work with budget friendly players was the key to that idea. He got a four and a half year contract in 2021, he didn't need another one. Pretty sure he was the one who walked away and screwed us, not the other way around as well |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Feb 14, 2023 13:20:09 GMT 1
You've hit the nail on the head there pal. If the money that has been wasted throughout the course of the season, had been put into giving CC an actually workable transfer budget, then he would still be here and we wouldn't be in this mess. DATM hindsight again! problem with that is he was clearly going to leave anyway. The few hundred grand weve probably wasted on Schofield and Fotheringham this season wouldn't have persuaded a manager who was obviously keen to 'cash in' on his high stock and move on to say no, Ill stay at this club. Think you might want revise your understanding of the word 'hindsight' Slapps, given myself and most of us were saying at the time what an unmitigated disaster this season would turn out to be. |
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Post by omegasupreme on Feb 14, 2023 13:23:26 GMT 1
I’ve said it before in other threads - Warnocks teams have outplayed us several times. I think the notion that his teams don’t play decent football (albeit pragmatic), is total nonsense. Warnock was deploying Bielsa/Corboran season 1 esque cross pitch man marking in his last job at Boro, so he's certainly capable of moving with the times. I don't think he'll do that here but I also don't think we'll be playing a 90s Warnock 442 either. He might not wear a pair of chinos and hold a clipboard but he’s never been a dinosaur when it comes to setting his teams up. |
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