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Post by hthp on Feb 14, 2023 13:23:33 GMT 1
He got a four and a half year contract in 2021, he didn't need another one. Pretty sure he was the one who walked away and screwed us, not the other way around as well I was devastated when he left. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Feb 14, 2023 13:23:38 GMT 1
DATM hindsight again! problem with that is he was clearly going to leave anyway. The few hundred grand weve probably wasted on Schofield and Fotheringham this season wouldn't have persuaded a manager who was obviously keen to 'cash in' on his high stock and move on to say no, Ill stay at this club. I love this Corberan wasn't backed or going to be backed rhetoric (or bullshit). It fits the anti-Club agenda. When somebody gives me context, numbers and substantiates it. I will believe it. No assumptions, facts. My own (unsubstantiated) view is he was tapped up and left for more money. Nothing wrong with that, just don't pin it on the Club. 'Anti-club agenda'? Are you really as daft as you come across? Nobody is 'anti-club', what many of us are, is 'anti-neglectful and outright shit running of our great club by people purely served by their own interests'. Wake up lad. |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Feb 14, 2023 13:25:23 GMT 1
If anyone's bored on their lunch break there's a Neil Warnock quiz on the BBC football page. I got 8/10.
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Post by 28901 on Feb 14, 2023 13:25:54 GMT 1
DATM hindsight again! problem with that is he was clearly going to leave anyway. The few hundred grand weve probably wasted on Schofield and Fotheringham this season wouldn't have persuaded a manager who was obviously keen to 'cash in' on his high stock and move on to say no, Ill stay at this club. A few hundred grand, you missed the bit where it was going to be 7 figures to get shut of Buzz Plus Neil's bonus |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Feb 14, 2023 13:32:21 GMT 1
It is just plain and simple bad planning though, isn't it? And that's certainly not said with hindsight, as you've mentioned above, either. How many people said straight away that the Schofield appointment wouldn't work out? We pretty much all knew it, didn't we? It was too soon and it was a terrible plan following the success of 2022. That isn't hindsight, it was more logic than anything. Logic that was proved to be correct. Then Fotheringham. Again, the immediate consensus was that it was another terrible appointment at a time when we could ill afford one. Of course Dean didn't plan for it to go this way, but it's how it's ended up due to the clubs terrible plan of going cheap as chips. Again, by applying basic logic you can tell exactly how that approach will eventually work out, and here we are! Our last 6 permanent managers were all pretty much unknowns. Either never done it before or stepping up from lower league in the Cowley's instance. Wagner Siewert Cowley Corberan Schofield Fotheringham The key is picking good ones - I don't think "cheap as chips" as you put it is necessarily doomed to failure - we've just been shit at picking them lately. Yeah, and they were backed with a bit of cash to help. Wagner brought in loads of players and broke our transfer record numerous times. Cowleys had to lose some good players but also had the budget to bring in Toffolo and some great players in on loan as well. Carlos then worked wonders whilst the budget was been cut but then when it came to Schofield we went full on cut all costs. Cheap manager, cheap staff and cheap players, what other way was it ever going to go? I just can't see how you can call that a plan to 'achieve one better than 2022' or whatever it was he said at the start of the season. Of course it's doomed to failure! |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Feb 14, 2023 13:35:09 GMT 1
So was Carlos to be fair. Should have been given a new contract as a reward of getting us to Wembley. If the idea was to try and slash the budget then surely keeping hold of your main asset that can work with budget friendly players was the key to that idea. He got a four and a half year contract in 2021, he didn't need another one. A wage rise, a bonus, or a clause that bumped him up higher if he was to eventually achieve promotion? Something surely to say well done and please stay for another go at it? Isn't that what most people expect in their jobs when they over achieve? Otherwise what do you do? Oh yeah, go elsewhere. |
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Post by hthp on Feb 14, 2023 13:37:52 GMT 1
He got a four and a half year contract in 2021, he didn't need another one. A wage rise, a bonus, or a clause that bumped him up higher if he was to eventually achieve promotion? Something surely to say well done and please stay for another go at it? Isn't that what most people expect in their jobs when they over achieve? Otherwise what do you do? Oh yeah, go elsewhere. Depends on whether it was your employer that gave you a career and stuck by you when you deserved to get fired. |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Feb 14, 2023 13:43:41 GMT 1
A wage rise, a bonus, or a clause that bumped him up higher if he was to eventually achieve promotion? Something surely to say well done and please stay for another go at it? Isn't that what most people expect in their jobs when they over achieve? Otherwise what do you do? Oh yeah, go elsewhere. Depends on whether it was your employer that gave you a career and stuck by you when you deserved to get fired. Wasn't though, was it? Hodgkinson was the one who stuck by him whilst Hoyle was the one who let him go. |
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Post by Sio on Feb 14, 2023 13:43:44 GMT 1
A wage rise, a bonus, or a clause that bumped him up higher if he was to eventually achieve promotion? Something surely to say well done and please stay for another go at it? Isn't that what most people expect in their jobs when they over achieve? Otherwise what do you do? Oh yeah, go elsewhere. Depends on whether it was your employer that gave you a career and stuck by you when you deserved to get fired. So he should just settle for less than he's worth because we were apparently nice to him a year or two earlier? Nobody with ambition or a sense of self-worth is going to live that way in any walk of life. Besides, he probably knew his own value before most of us did. Let's not make out that he was a total failure in his first season. We scored a lot, we played some very good football (in bursts), but the guy was clearly learning and getting us up to speed. Perhaps a bit like Wagner's first 3/4 season... |
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Post by hthp on Feb 14, 2023 13:59:46 GMT 1
Depends on whether it was your employer that gave you a career and stuck by you when you deserved to get fired. Wasn't though, was it? Hodgkinson was the one who stuck by him whilst Hoyle was the one who let him go. Hoyle didn't let him go, he resigned. Big difference. |
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Post by hthp on Feb 14, 2023 14:00:47 GMT 1
Depends on whether it was your employer that gave you a career and stuck by you when you deserved to get fired. So he should just settle for less than he's worth because we were apparently nice to him a year or two earlier? Nobody with ambition or a sense of self-worth is going to live that way in any walk of life. Besides, he probably knew his own value before most of us did. Let's not make out that he was a total failure in his first season. We scored a lot, we played some very good football (in bursts), but the guy was clearly learning and getting us up to speed. Perhaps a bit like Wagner's first 3/4 season... Yeah, I know he's the next Pep Guardiola. |
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Post by dugnet on Feb 14, 2023 14:10:31 GMT 1
This won't be popular with some but as much as I welcome Neil's return to Town I am afraid it is entirely as a result of more poor planning and thinking. This appointment will cost the club money, just as the firing of DS and MF will have cost something. How much over the budget that was set in July 22? Whatever it is it shows a lack of thought, a lack of a clear plan and the failure to have an alignment to an identity. Why do I make this point? Because some argue vehemently that people just expect money to be thrown at any problem (on the pitch). What has happened this season is example of many people's reasonable frustration at our plans, or lack of them, and ability to waste money. I have never been an advocate of throwing money willy-nilly at things but another series of costly blunders make those who defend those responsible look a bit ridiculous. I do accept there will be a change and this latest, desperate?, decision is done with the best intentions of trying to maintain Town's Championship status. If it is successful everyone will be justifiably happy/relieved. I hope Neil is the catalyst we need and we can hopefully look forward to a transition of ownership as a Championship club. Where I will give DH credit is it is clearly, well to me at least, his personal relationship with Neil that has enabled this appointment. I doubt Neil would have solely taken the job for cash. Good luck Neil. Here's hoping you do put smiles on faces and we are all able smile come May. Arent you confusing not having a plan with having a plan but it not being a success? Just because something hasnt worked, doesnt mean it wasnt a clear plan or there was a lack of thought behind it!! When do you imagine football became this thing that if you plan something and think about it enough, it is then guaranteed to work?? We have a budget and like any club ,or business in general, you make plans within the restrictions of that budget, even if some fans constantly demand more money being put in. If the plans fail, you do what you can , perhaps outside that budget if thats possible, to try and rectify it. And yeah it is a waste of money... making mistakes in business generally is. I fundamentally agree but would, respectfully, offer this in response: Those in charge have had a considerable experience in working in football yet the "plan" seemed to be - "this is the budget, work to that". Surely the approach should be this: "This is our aspiration for the coming season (ideally a longer 3-5 year strategy would be ideal). What do we need to achieve that aspiration, and, to what extent are we able to afford a budget to achieve that aspiration. In short an aligned joined up plan enables people to work together to achieve. There is more than enough evidence to suggest anything we have in the way of a plan has been entirely tactical. To be fair you have to assume that before Wembley May 22 there were two scenarios, promotion or not. If the plan for not was simply a cut in budget it wasn't surprising that CC walked. Now, and before you tell me we can only afford what we can afford (which is fine), surely some detailed consideration about was required to support recruitment etc... What has resulted is a series of desperate changes which must have significantly increased the original budget. You also need to factor the rumours that the club may have been sold around 12 months ago. Looking now surely selling the club, or agreeing to sell, the club then would have been the best choice. What happened, or appears to have happened (to be entirely fair), is a decision to wait and see (if we got promotion). Had we a wider plan a sale could have been factored in. What has happened subsequently is a series of reactive decisions. On the face of it, it is all about money, or the amount of money available. For me it has never has been the amount, it is using that available as well as possible. I think had I understood the bigger picture and direction of the club I could have more easily accepted the results we have seen on the pitch. I think in that context the criticism is reasonable. We are where we are but we must learn, as a club, and do better in the future. Short term we need the points to retain Championship status. In the background I hope all parties have plans ready that will reflect the situation(s) we may find ourselves in. It is possible that if we are relegated DH will be left owning a club that he has to have a plan for that eventuality. |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Feb 14, 2023 14:16:57 GMT 1
Wasn't though, was it? Hodgkinson was the one who stuck by him whilst Hoyle was the one who let him go. Hoyle didn't let him go, he resigned. Big difference. Of course he let him go. You're telling me he could't have been persuaded to stay after finishing 3rd with us? Surely Corberan himself was up for another crack at it? But trying to go one better whilst you lose your three best players, your transfer targets then go to your promotion chasing rivals who you have just beaten weeks before, and then your only real additions are a load of youngsters from the leagues below. Can you blame him for walking? Where's the motivation to stay? |
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Post by hthp on Feb 14, 2023 14:48:50 GMT 1
Hoyle didn't let him go, he resigned. Big difference. Of course he let him go. You're telling me he could't have been persuaded to stay after finishing 3rd with us? Surely Corberan himself was up for another crack at it? But trying to go one better whilst you lose your three best players, your transfer targets then go to your promotion chasing rivals who you have just beaten weeks before, and then your only real additions are a load of youngsters from the leagues below. Can you blame him for walking? Where's the motivation to stay? I'd just rather we stopped talking about him, he left, we've had three managers since he resigned and I'm more interested in what Neil Warnock can do. |
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Post by Sio on Feb 14, 2023 14:52:22 GMT 1
So he should just settle for less than he's worth because we were apparently nice to him a year or two earlier? Nobody with ambition or a sense of self-worth is going to live that way in any walk of life. Besides, he probably knew his own value before most of us did. Let's not make out that he was a total failure in his first season. We scored a lot, we played some very good football (in bursts), but the guy was clearly learning and getting us up to speed. Perhaps a bit like Wagner's first 3/4 season... Yeah, I know he's the next Pep Guardiola. Harsh. I'd say Arteta. |
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Post by hthp on Feb 14, 2023 14:56:19 GMT 1
Yeah, I know he's the next Pep Guardiola. Harsh. I'd say Arteta. Even Arteta has won some trophies. All Corberan has so far is the "we finished 3rd but didn't go up" trophy that he won last season. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Feb 14, 2023 14:56:22 GMT 1
If anyone's bored on their lunch break there's a Neil Warnock quiz on the BBC football page. I got 8/10. 9/10 for me. Just got the last one wrong. |
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Post by wildhogg on Feb 14, 2023 15:19:59 GMT 1
Wonder if Warnock has been given permission to bring in any free agents he might know/want?
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Post by Dan on Feb 14, 2023 15:44:15 GMT 1
If anyone's bored on their lunch break there's a Neil Warnock quiz on the BBC football page. I got 8/10. 9/10 for me. Just got the last one wrong. 9/10 as well, just got the Paddy Kenny one wrong www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61073905 |
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Post by terriers2000 on Feb 14, 2023 15:48:43 GMT 1
Wonder if Warnock has been given permission to bring in any free agents he might know/want? Paddy kenny till end of the season  , maybe a right back or a creative midfielder? |
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Post by henryc on Feb 14, 2023 15:50:51 GMT 1
Of course he let him go. You're telling me he could't have been persuaded to stay after finishing 3rd with us? Surely Corberan himself was up for another crack at it? But trying to go one better whilst you lose your three best players, your transfer targets then go to your promotion chasing rivals who you have just beaten weeks before, and then your only real additions are a load of youngsters from the leagues below. Can you blame him for walking? Where's the motivation to stay? I'd just rather we stopped talking about him, he left, we've had three managers since he resigned and I'm more interested in what Neil Warnock can do. Ironic how you don’t want to talk about him after the points made in this post, then go on to talk shit about him again a few posts down. |
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Post by irverino on Feb 14, 2023 16:02:10 GMT 1
John Busby will be referee on Saturday for NW 1st game back, he did the Blackpool fixture at JS earlier this season.......lets hope the technology works this time?
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Post by Essex Terrier on Feb 14, 2023 16:02:20 GMT 1
If anyone's bored on their lunch break there's a Neil Warnock quiz on the BBC football page. I got 8/10. 9 |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Feb 14, 2023 16:13:56 GMT 1
If anyone's bored on their lunch break there's a Neil Warnock quiz on the BBC football page. I got 8/10. 7/10 |
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Post by ambryboy on Feb 14, 2023 16:15:41 GMT 1
If anyone's bored on their lunch break there's a Neil Warnock quiz on the BBC football page. I got 8/10. Well done, a meagre 7 for me  |
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Post by hthp on Feb 14, 2023 16:16:19 GMT 1
I'd just rather we stopped talking about him, he left, we've had three managers since he resigned and I'm more interested in what Neil Warnock can do. Ironic how you don’t want to talk about him after the points made in this post, then go on to talk shit about him again a few posts down.  |
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Post by detox on Feb 14, 2023 16:47:26 GMT 1
John Busby will be referee on Saturday for NW 1st game back, he did the Blackpool fixture at JS earlier this season.......lets hope the technology works this time? yes that lazy sod who despite only being 5 yards away from the ball over the goal line, decided to believe his non-beeping watch instead.. chufing pillock |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2023 16:48:47 GMT 1
Even Arteta has won some trophies. All Corberan has so far is the "we finished 3rd but didn't go up" trophy that he won last season. For someone who wants us to stop talking about him, you're always having a pop. |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 14, 2023 16:51:36 GMT 1
John Busby will be referee on Saturday for NW 1st game back, he did the Blackpool fixture at JS earlier this season.......lets hope the technology works this time? yes that lazy sod who despite only being 5 yards away from the ball over the goal line, decided to believe his non-beeping watch instead.. chufing pillock Dress the muppet up as a clown and give him rambos mic for an apology to the fans. How the fuck can they appoint him for us again this season after that error. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2023 16:51:59 GMT 1
If anyone's bored on their lunch break there's a Neil Warnock quiz on the BBC football page. I got 8/10. 9/10 for me. Just got the last one wrong. 9, got the Kenny one wrong |
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