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Post by araucaria on Feb 13, 2023 19:55:07 GMT 1
When was the last time we had a proper new manager bounce? Wagner clearly made a difference but wasn’t exactly an immediate bounce. Cowley’s took a few games to turn the ship around I’m struggling to remember a new manager (not including interims) who actually made an immediate difference in results. Who am I missing? No-one I can think of, if ‘immediate’ means not losing the first game and was followed by good results over a lengthy period. Jacko started slowly in 2003-04, but then he only had 8 players; Bruce lost his first match, away at QPR and his third away at Tranmere, but he won his first four home games, including a 7-1 against Palace and he kept it up until we were top on Christmas Day. Only two qualifiers in my time watching; Tom Johnston in November 1964, taking over from the caretaker Ian Greaves, and winning 13 and drawing 5 of the last 23 matches to keep us up. The second wasn’t actually the manager, Buxton in 1993, providing the template for what Neil is hopefully about to do. When he saved Rotherham in 2016, Warnock didn't quite do it immediately, drawing 0-0 at home to Birmingham (!) and finishing with 9 men, losing at Burnley (!) who won the league that year as well and losing at Reading, before winning the next 3 and not losing in the next 8 before losing the last two when they were safe. At Cardiff the season after, he took over sometime in October when they were in the bottom three and steadily improved them, doing the double over us, to finish 12th, but he had 35 matches to go at. Three seasons ago at Middlesbrough, where he took over from Woodgate after the Covid break in June 2020, for the last 8 games, when they were 21st, winning 4 and losing 4 to finish 17th, a place and two points above us. Assombalonga scored 5 times in 7 starts plus one as sub, after scoring 6 in 20 starts (and 7 subs) up to Warnock’s arrival. Good luck identifying our Assombalonga, Neil. I watched them lose 2-1 at Hull to a last-gasp goal after totally dominating and Warnock said he would have been unhappy with a point because they should have won (and I was cursing him because I wanted Hull to lose, because no team could go down under Warnock, could they?). That fluke win was Hull’s single success in the last 20 matches and they lost all the last 6 and went down bottom. If I supported any of the other teams at the bottom this season, I’d be thinking, as I did when he went to Rotherham and Middlesbrough, that Huddersfield will be staying up now. But I don’t support any of the others and this is Town we’re talking about, of course. |
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Post by Stiggy on Feb 13, 2023 19:56:02 GMT 1
I remember a few years ago when he kept Rotherham up from around February. They were dead, buried and beyond hopeless. He ended up keeping them up comfortably with around 10 points to spare in the end. Miracle at the time.
He's got a far easier job with us.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Feb 13, 2023 19:56:12 GMT 1
Neil Warnock won’t stay silent and won’t be out of the news, so I think we can expect a bit more communication from now on, whether officially or not. He also knows what he's doing and (I understand has a fondness for this club) so I'm hoping he also kicks some of the off the field people (and general direction) into shape too. |
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Post by ColchTerrier on Feb 13, 2023 19:57:07 GMT 1
Chuffed with this. When is he back? Hopefully he somehow gets a message over to the players before the game Wednesday!
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Post by hgterrier on Feb 13, 2023 20:00:18 GMT 1
Chuffed with this. When is he back? Hopefully he somehow gets a message over to the players before the game Wednesday! Doesn't take over until Thursday. |
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Post by Orinoco on Feb 13, 2023 20:03:52 GMT 1
Unfortunately I do not see Warnocks appointment making any difference to this squad
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 13, 2023 20:13:50 GMT 1
I remember a few years ago when he kept Rotherham up from around February. They were dead, buried and beyond hopeless. He ended up keeping them up comfortably with around 10 points to spare in the end. Miracle at the time. He's got a far easier job with us. He's also 74 now and about 7 years older with a tougher run in of games, injured key players and a shitshow above him. |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Feb 13, 2023 20:14:43 GMT 1
Everybody getting excited over Warnock appt but this could go one of two ways.
He gets them drilled to a system where he puts round pegs in round holes and everybody knows their role and he motivates them to do it and that’s just enough manage to scrape enough points to just escape relegation.
Or..
He does all the above, we go on a Carlos-like string of results and scrape into and win the the play offs! “Walking in a Hungbo wonderland” Whoop Whoop! 😀😀😀
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Post by araucaria on Feb 13, 2023 20:17:05 GMT 1
I remember a few years ago when he kept Rotherham up from around February. They were dead, buried and beyond hopeless. He ended up keeping them up comfortably with around 10 points to spare in the end. Miracle at the time. He's got a far easier job with us. He's also 74 now and about 7 years older with a tougher run in of games, injured key players and a shitshow above him. But less than three years older than when he saved Middlesbrough in 21st with only 8 matches left, and we were in very similar shit at the time but knew in our water that he would keep Boro up. |
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 13, 2023 20:19:51 GMT 1
Everybody getting excited over Warnock appt but this could go one of two ways. He gets them drilled to a system where he puts round pegs in round holes and everybody knows their role and he motivates them to do it and that’s just enough manage to scrape enough points to just escape relegation. Or.. He does all the above, we go on a Carlos-like string of results and scrape into and win the the play offs! “Walking in a Hungbo wonderland” Whoop Whoop! 😀😀😀 Or we could just carry on like we have since Christmas. Dismal don’t lose style , no flair, no goals. I’ll be gobsmacked if we get out of this. I simply don’t understand the euphoria |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Feb 13, 2023 20:24:28 GMT 1
Everybody getting excited over Warnock appt but this could go one of two ways. He gets them drilled to a system where he puts round pegs in round holes and everybody knows their role and he motivates them to do it and that’s just enough manage to scrape enough points to just escape relegation. Or.. He does all the above, we go on a Carlos-like string of results and scrape into and win the the play offs! “Walking in a Hungbo wonderland” Whoop Whoop! 😀😀😀 Or we could just carry on like we have since Christmas. Dismal don’t lose style , no flair, no goals. I’ll be gobsmacked if we get out of this. I simply don’t understand the euphoria Well that’s my chips pissed on and not in a kinky golden shower incident with Ted kind of way. ☹️ |
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Post by hthp on Feb 13, 2023 20:26:03 GMT 1
When was the last time we had a proper new manager bounce? Wagner clearly made a difference but wasn’t exactly an immediate bounce. Cowley’s took a few games to turn the ship around I’m struggling to remember a new manager (not including interims) who actually made an immediate difference in results. Who am I missing? Only Simon Grayson, Lee Clark and Ian Ross have won their first games in charge since 1990. |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 13, 2023 20:31:18 GMT 1
Everybody getting excited over Warnock appt but this could go one of two ways. He gets them drilled to a system where he puts round pegs in round holes and everybody knows their role and he motivates them to do it and that’s just enough manage to scrape enough points to just escape relegation. Or.. He does all the above, we go on a Carlos-like string of results and scrape into and win the the play offs! “Walking in a Hungbo wonderland” Whoop Whoop! 😀😀😀 Or we could just carry on like we have since Christmas. Dismal don’t lose style , no flair, no goals. I’ll be gobsmacked if we get out of this. I simply don’t understand the euphoria So what else would you have done? Who else is going to only accept a 16 game contract? Crack a smile. |
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Post by buxtonboys101 on Feb 13, 2023 20:34:44 GMT 1
This will undoubtedly be Warnock's greatest ever challenge and achievement if he keeps Town up. Personally I think it might just be too late but here's hoping it isn't. What this appointment does is suggest that the people who run the club actually realise now that we are in a real mess. Some of us knew that in the summer but let bygones be bygones because I sense that the fightback begins now. Pity I cannot make it to Stoke because even without Warnock at the helm his influence may see some extra effort from the squad. Who knows? We need between now and the end of the season about 8 or 9 wins. Warnock is the only manager who could possibly pull this off. It should galvanise the support too and that might help the players on the pitch, especially at home. Of all the problems I can foresee the biggest is that he likes to play with a big target man up front. Who have we got? If Naby Sarr was still with us I would suggest playing him in that role but he isn't so we cannot. He could go with Pearson he can't be any worse than Waghorn. The issue with midfield is now resolved. Warnock will ignore it. Good. Onwards and upwards it is!
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Post by Macduff on Feb 13, 2023 20:35:24 GMT 1
Everybody getting excited over Warnock appt but this could go one of two ways. He gets them drilled to a system where he puts round pegs in round holes and everybody knows their role and he motivates them to do it and that’s just enough manage to scrape enough points to just escape relegation. Or.. He does all the above, we go on a Carlos-like string of results and scrape into and win the the play offs! “Walking in a Hungbo wonderland” Whoop Whoop! 😀😀😀 Or we could just carry on like we have since Christmas. Dismal don’t lose style , no flair, no goals. I’ll be gobsmacked if we get out of this. I simply don’t understand the euphoria Also putting my head above the parapet, I agree with this. If he keeps us up then fair dos, but his two best qualities (from reading this thread) seem to be "wont take any shit" and great at handing out bollockings. Getting the team to play winning football might also be useful, and if he does that i will be delighted to eat humble pie, but as returning players never seem to be as good second time around it will be interesting to see how this works out. UTT |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 20:41:09 GMT 1
Boothy is still the best striker at the club That would be ridiculous Hang on What if Aw, man |
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Post by detox on Feb 13, 2023 20:41:44 GMT 1
Warnock can't really lose can he...most of us think we're likely to go down this season, especially after recent failures and the fact even Chico couldn't get this squad to wake up at Wigan.. From my point of view we're down, if we go down with Warnock in charge it won't be his fault, it'll be the guys sat above who've assembled this shit show of a squad..if we stay up..well that'll be a massive bonus..a miracle in fact.
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Feb 13, 2023 20:44:47 GMT 1
He should have been installed before the January window closed. This squad isn't the best toolbox to hammer some sense into but how he gets a shift out of them will be interesting if nothing else.
Hope he can turn what others couldn't around. Good
luck NW, RJ, KB
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 13, 2023 20:44:58 GMT 1
Or we could just carry on like we have since Christmas. Dismal don’t lose style , no flair, no goals. I’ll be gobsmacked if we get out of this. I simply don’t understand the euphoria Also putting my head above the parapet, I agree with this. If he keeps us up then fair dos, but his two best qualities (from reading this thread) seem to be "wont take any shit" and great at handing out bollockings. Getting the team to play winning football might also be useful, and if he does that i will be delighted to eat humble pie, but as returning players never seem to be as good second time around it will be interesting to see how this works out. UTT His "won't take any shit" and "good at handing out bollockings" seems to work: Notts County Football League Second Division play-off winners: 1990–91 Football League Third Division play-off winners: 1989–90 Huddersfield Town Football League Second Division play-off winners: 1994–95 Plymouth Argyle Football League Third Division play-off winners: 1995–96 Sheffield United Football League Championship runners-up: 2005–06 Queens Park Rangers Football League Championship: 2010–11 Cardiff City Football League Championship runners-up: 2017–18 In addition to those clubs who he came in to stave off relegation. |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 13, 2023 20:46:11 GMT 1
Difference between MF and Warnock and their way of renting and raving is that MF is a nobody.
Warnock has a reputation and hebwill have respect from all the players already and he hasn't even met them.
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Post by sabailand on Feb 13, 2023 20:47:36 GMT 1
Warnock can't really lose can he...most of us think we're likely to go down this season, especially after recent failures and the fact even Chico couldn't get this squad to wake up at Wigan.. From my point of view we're down, if we go down with Warnock in charge it won't be his fault, it'll be the guys sat above who've assembled this shit show of a squad..if we stay up..well that'll be a massive bonus..a miracle in fact. Miracle, we're currently only a point from safety, if we were in between 15 and 20 points from safety and somehow survived then yes...miracle. |
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 13, 2023 20:49:28 GMT 1
The manager in charge when I first experienced promotion as a town fan.
Honestly, he has an uphill battle and I think he may have been appointed too late, but I don't think we could have got a better appointment.
See Pearson's interview post-Wigan. The guy just looks dejected, and I'm of a mind to think that's replicated throughout the squad.
What Warnock can do is motivate players and give clear direction.
Hyperbole is common in fans, but if you're not seeing this as massively encouraging news then I don't know what you want.
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 13, 2023 20:52:21 GMT 1
Warnock can't really lose can he...most of us think we're likely to go down this season, especially after recent failures and the fact even Chico couldn't get this squad to wake up at Wigan.. From my point of view we're down, if we go down with Warnock in charge it won't be his fault, it'll be the guys sat above who've assembled this shit show of a squad..if we stay up..well that'll be a massive bonus..a miracle in fact. Miracle, we're currently only a point from safety, if we were in between 15 and 20 points from safety and somehow survived then yes...miracle. I think the issue is that we missed an opportunity to pick up points having just had a run of very winnable games against some very weak, out of form opponents. We still have most of the better sides in the division to play. |
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Post by detox on Feb 13, 2023 20:53:26 GMT 1
Warnock can't really lose can he...most of us think we're likely to go down this season, especially after recent failures and the fact even Chico couldn't get this squad to wake up at Wigan.. From my point of view we're down, if we go down with Warnock in charge it won't be his fault, it'll be the guys sat above who've assembled this shit show of a squad..if we stay up..well that'll be a massive bonus..a miracle in fact. Miracle, we're currently only a point from safety, if we were in between 15 and 20 points from safety and somehow survived then yes...miracle. You think our current results are going to improve when we play better teams ? Good luck with that one.. |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Feb 13, 2023 20:58:12 GMT 1
If anybody can Warnock can and hope the club have offered Warnock a very substantial bonus if he can keep town in the championship
Seems the two at the top might have got something right at last to try and right the mess they have put the club in
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 13, 2023 20:58:59 GMT 1
Has there ever been a gap of 28 years for a club manager returning to his old club? Eddie Niedzwiecki was caretaker manager of Reading in 1991 before managing them again from 2019. |
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Post by ambryboy on Feb 13, 2023 21:00:11 GMT 1
Other than Jacko, have never seen a Town player foul, tug shirts, stand on toes etc at a corner or free kick than Ronnie. He 'compensated' for lack of pace very well.☠ The penalty he 'won' away at Grimsby (FA Cup?) when we were distinctly second best was a thing of beauty  |
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 13, 2023 21:01:06 GMT 1
Miracle, we're currently only a point from safety, if we were in between 15 and 20 points from safety and somehow survived then yes...miracle. You think our current results are going to improve when we play better teams ? Good luck with that one.. We’ve failed to pick up points where points were available since Christmas. After this week we’re back to some really tough games. We are in the mix still but I just don’t see enough wins to keep us up. Our performances have actually got worse |
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Post by stinkypete on Feb 13, 2023 21:04:56 GMT 1
Superb appointment exactly what the players and fans need.
Just wish he’d come in after Coventry away as I’d hazard a guess we’d have at least 7 more points than we do now!
Anyway this is last throw of the dice, feel more confident about staying up than I did at 5pm on Saturday that’s for sure.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 13, 2023 21:13:11 GMT 1
You think our current results are going to improve when we play better teams ? Good luck with that one.. We’ve failed to pick up points where points were available since Christmas. After this week we’re back to some really tough games. We are in the mix still but I just don’t see enough wins to keep us up. Our performances have actually got worse Tough game at Burnley but after that we've got back to back home games against Coventry and Bristol city who both sit in the bottom half of the table. We need to target maximum points against these aswell as a good haul in these next two just to ease the pressure abit going into a tough spell of fixtures. |
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