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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 8, 2023 16:34:11 GMT 1
Everyone was totally up for the 1st game, including the crowd.
Since then, Warnock’s body language suggests he really doesn’t think he can get anything out of the players on the pitch.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 8, 2023 16:50:17 GMT 1
I've observed Warnock's selections and tactics since he came and, apart from the disgraceful capitulation before the Burnley match even kicked off, can't really complain, and am actually losing my interest/anger/frustration. He's got a pool, a big pool, of mainly mediocre/poor players to select from - is Waghorn better than Simpson? is Kamberi better than Ward? are they all crap - that whatever he does is likely to fail. Sorry to repeat my mantra, but what an awful awful mess Hoyle/Hodgkinson have left my club in. Is Kamberi still at the club? |
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Post by willo on Mar 8, 2023 16:53:57 GMT 1
I've observed Warnock's selections and tactics since he came and, apart from the disgraceful capitulation before the Burnley match even kicked off, can't really complain, and am actually losing my interest/anger/frustration. He's got a pool, a big pool, of mainly mediocre/poor players to select from - is Waghorn better than Simpson? is Kamberi better than Ward? are they all crap - that whatever he does is likely to fail. Sorry to repeat my mantra, but what an awful awful mess Hoyle/Hodgkinson have left my club in. Is Kamberi still at the club? Who? Had forgotten about him already! 😂 |
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Post by scutcher on Mar 8, 2023 17:04:45 GMT 1
To get 50 points we need the equivalent of 6 wins from 11 games! Stating the obvious I know. Or 4 wins 6 draws 1 loss.
If Neil manages this I'll be taking a case of bottled water for hin to turn into wine.
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Post by townrwe on Mar 8, 2023 17:24:55 GMT 1
We should have kept fozzy..I think we would still have been in touch with him, we wouldn't have given in and ultimately we would have either just survived or just gone down. Feels like we have thrown in the towel, fozza wouldn't have allowed that to happen, despite his numerous flaws. Yup. 5 of the 6 performances since he left have been worse than just about anything I saw under Fotheringham. Weve gone backwards and with it any chance we had of surviving. Can you imagine this group being the last kick of the game , deep into the 98th minute, from taking 3 points at Hull now,.. cos I cant. Or being in the position to chuck away another 2 points at Blackpool..twice...? Again I cant. Fotheringham might well have kept us up IMO, despite the individual errors that kept costing us points. He was an unlucky psycho....... I think we would have been 4 points closer to Cardif minimum. A win at wigan and a draw at stoke, i would have fancied us to beat BC rather than draw last night also, so possibly a point behind, all ifs and buts, but i always felt he would have us at the race going into 2 massive games as the last 2 in the season. I would have probably had relegation as slight favourite, now its absolutely nailed on. |
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Post by runner76 on Mar 8, 2023 17:33:06 GMT 1
To get 50 points we need the equivalent of 6 wins from 11 games! Stating the obvious I know. Or 4 wins 6 draws 1 loss. If Neil manages this I'll be taking a case of bottled water for hin to turn into wine. Doubt we would need 50 this season......I had thought 45/46 but with the way things gave gone I reckon it may be 48......either way it is a miracle needed.....!!! best case is essentially a Win / Lose / Draw ratio over all remaining games, giving us 16 points and a total of 48. Could be : West Brom - L Norwich - L Millwall - W Boro - D Watford - L Blackburn - W Swansea - D Sunderland - D Blades- D Cardiff - W Reading - W That would see us right....... |
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Post by wigster on Mar 8, 2023 18:05:58 GMT 1
I've observed Warnock's selections and tactics since he came and, apart from the disgraceful capitulation before the Burnley match even kicked off, can't really complain, and am actually losing my interest/anger/frustration. He's got a pool, a big pool, of mainly mediocre/poor players to select from - is Waghorn better than Simpson? is Kamberi better than Ward? are they all crap - that whatever he does is likely to fail. Sorry to repeat my mantra, but what an awful awful mess Hoyle/Hodgkinson have left my club in. Is Kamberi still at the club?[/quote. No idea - your guess is as good as mine. As a Huddersfield Town supporter of over 60 years I nowadays don't feel I have a right to be told anything about my club. |
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Post by willo on Mar 8, 2023 18:35:28 GMT 1
To get 50 points we need the equivalent of 6 wins from 11 games! Stating the obvious I know. Or 4 wins 6 draws 1 loss. If Neil manages this I'll be taking a case of bottled water for hin to turn into wine. Doubt we would need 50 this season......I had thought 45/46 but with the way things gave gone I reckon it may be 48......either way it is a miracle needed.....!!! best case is essentially a Win / Lose / Draw ratio over all remaining games, giving us 16 points and a total of 48. Could be : West Brom - L Norwich - L Millwall - W Boro - D Watford - L Blackburn - W Swansea - D Sunderland - D Blades- D Cardiff - W Reading - W That would see us right....... A pint of whatever this chap is on please landlord. |
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Post by runner76 on Mar 8, 2023 18:37:07 GMT 1
Doubt we would need 50 this season......I had thought 45/46 but with the way things gave gone I reckon it may be 48......either way it is a miracle needed.....!!! best case is essentially a Win / Lose / Draw ratio over all remaining games, giving us 16 points and a total of 48. Could be : West Brom - L Norwich - L Millwall - W Boro - D Watford - L Blackburn - W Swansea - D Sunderland - D Blades- D Cardiff - W Reading - W That would see us right....... A pint of whatever this chap is on please landlord. (I made it 10 pints........)  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 8, 2023 19:25:58 GMT 1
Nice to see some positivity. I hope youre right.
frustrating thing is those results arent anything incredible and were the sort of results we were actually getting under Fotheringham before the new year ( and his final 5 games where we threw 6 points away )
We got 14 points from the last 11 games of 2022 and most of those 11 games were against sides on form and up at the top end.
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Post by goodbet on Mar 8, 2023 21:00:56 GMT 1
We should have kept fozzy..I think we would still have been in touch with him, we wouldn't have given in and ultimately we would have either just survived or just gone down. Feels like we have thrown in the towel, fozza wouldn't have allowed that to happen, despite his numerous flaws. Yup. 5 of the 6 performances since he left have been worse than just about anything I saw under Fotheringham. Weve gone backwards and with it any chance we had of surviving. Can you imagine this group being the last kick of the game , deep into the 98th minute, from taking 3 points at Hull now,.. cos I cant. Or being in the position to chuck away another 2 points at Blackpool..twice...? Again I cant. Fotheringham might well have kept us up IMO, despite the individual errors that kept costing us points. Just think of it as yet another poor decision by Dean  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 9, 2023 10:05:05 GMT 1
Yup. 5 of the 6 performances since he left have been worse than just about anything I saw under Fotheringham. Weve gone backwards and with it any chance we had of surviving. Can you imagine this group being the last kick of the game , deep into the 98th minute, from taking 3 points at Hull now,.. cos I cant. Or being in the position to chuck away another 2 points at Blackpool..twice...? Again I cant. Fotheringham might well have kept us up IMO, despite the individual errors that kept costing us points. Just think of it as yet another poor decision by Dean If he made it then it probably is.... at least it will go down as another decision that hasnt worked out like he / they hoped. They'd do better to not be swayed by the histrionics of all the experts on social media. |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 9, 2023 11:17:52 GMT 1
Yup. 5 of the 6 performances since he left have been worse than just about anything I saw under Fotheringham. Weve gone backwards and with it any chance we had of surviving. Can you imagine this group being the last kick of the game , deep into the 98th minute, from taking 3 points at Hull now,.. cos I cant. Or being in the position to chuck away another 2 points at Blackpool..twice...? Again I cant. Fotheringham might well have kept us up IMO, despite the individual errors that kept costing us points. He was an unlucky psycho....... I think we would have been 4 points closer to Cardif minimum. A win at wigan and a draw at stoke, i would have fancied us to beat BC rather than draw last night also, so possibly a point behind, all ifs and buts, but i always felt he would have us at the race going into 2 massive games as the last 2 in the season. I would have probably had relegation as slight favourite, now its absolutely nailed on. So, you think he'd have gone from taking 3 points and a pitiful Cup loss in his last 6 games before being sacked........ to taking 10 points from the 6 games after? Based on what? There's no logic to what you are saying. |
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Post by boooothy on Mar 9, 2023 11:28:27 GMT 1
Will “Doing a Barnsley” now get renamed Doing a Huddersfield?
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Post by goodbet on Mar 9, 2023 11:39:36 GMT 1
Just think of it as yet another poor decision by Dean If he made it then it probably is.... at least it will go down as another decision that hasnt worked out like he / they hoped. They'd do better to not be swayed by the histrionics of all the experts on social media. I doubt that Dean and his team listen to the baying crowd that much. He was a Manager that was readily available and they did not have to pay a fee for him, sounds about right |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 9, 2023 12:18:30 GMT 1
He was an unlucky psycho....... I think we would have been 4 points closer to Cardif minimum. A win at wigan and a draw at stoke, i would have fancied us to beat BC rather than draw last night also, so possibly a point behind, all ifs and buts, but i always felt he would have us at the race going into 2 massive games as the last 2 in the season. I would have probably had relegation as slight favourite, now its absolutely nailed on. So, you think he'd have gone from taking 3 points and a pitiful Cup loss in his last 6 games before being sacked........ to taking 10 points from the 6 games after? Based on what? There's no logic to what you are saying. No interest in the cup game. We took 3 points from those last 5 games before he was sacked....but we 'should' have taken 9. I know 'should have' means nothing in reality, but you cant account for players doing crap things in key moments that throw points away, no matter who the manager is. We averaged 1.4 points a game in the 10 games before those last 5 games he had...... So no, I dont see how 10 points from these last 6 games under Fotheringham would have been a particular stretch...it was pretty much what we 'should have done' immediately before he was sacked, and was pretty much what we had been doing before that. ( I'd also say the last 6 games have been a run of better fixtures overall including Wigan and Stoke away, and Bristol, Cov and Brum at home ) |
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Post by boooothy on Mar 9, 2023 12:25:47 GMT 1
I certainly think we’d have more points under Fozza than we do now.
We just threw the games at Wigan and Stoke away, 2 very winnable games.
I’m not saying he shouldn’t have gone (he should never have been here) but the timing was bad. Hindsight but we should have had Warnock lined up and let him carry on for those games, no Chicho time.
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Post by space hardware on Mar 9, 2023 12:32:13 GMT 1
So, you think he'd have gone from taking 3 points and a pitiful Cup loss in his last 6 games before being sacked........ to taking 10 points from the 6 games after? Based on what? There's no logic to what you are saying. No interest in the cup game. We took 3 points from those last 5 games before he was sacked....but we 'should' have taken 9. I know 'should have' means nothing in reality, but you cant account for players doing crap things in key moments that throw points away, no matter who the manager is. We averaged 1.4 points a game in the 10 games before those last 5 games he had...... So no, I dont see how 10 points from these last 6 games under Fotheringham would have been a particular stretch...it was pretty much what we 'should have done' immediately before he was sacked, and was pretty much what we had been doing before that. ( I'd also say the last 6 games have been a run of better fixtures overall including Wigan and Stoke away, and Bristol, Cov and Brum at home ) The word "should" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there 😁😁 We'll have to agree to disagree as, in my opinion, there's no way we'd have collected 10 points from the last 6 games under him. I think we'd have scraped 3 draws from Wigan, Stoke and Bristol City. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 9, 2023 12:32:38 GMT 1
Whilst we're playing this 'should have' game, we should have gone for Carrick after Corboran.
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Post by hthp on Mar 9, 2023 13:07:14 GMT 1
I will love it if we beat them, love it.
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Post by hthp on Mar 9, 2023 13:09:23 GMT 1
I certainly think we’d have more points under Fozza than we do now. We just threw the games at Wigan and Stoke away, 2 very winnable games. I’m not saying he shouldn’t have gone (he should never have been here) but the timing was bad. Hindsight but we should have had Warnock lined up and let him carry on for those games, no Chicho time. A lot of fans were perfectly happy to give it him full time! I'm still laughing. The decision to sack Fotheringham, which was at least a month too late, and then place the PE teacher in charge for two of the most important games of the season is one of the most stupid decisions I've ever witnessed as a Town fan. We may as well have kept Fotheringham for those two matches. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 9, 2023 13:17:00 GMT 1
No interest in the cup game. We took 3 points from those last 5 games before he was sacked....but we 'should' have taken 9. I know 'should have' means nothing in reality, but you cant account for players doing crap things in key moments that throw points away, no matter who the manager is. We averaged 1.4 points a game in the 10 games before those last 5 games he had...... So no, I dont see how 10 points from these last 6 games under Fotheringham would have been a particular stretch...it was pretty much what we 'should have done' immediately before he was sacked, and was pretty much what we had been doing before that. ( I'd also say the last 6 games have been a run of better fixtures overall including Wigan and Stoke away, and Bristol, Cov and Brum at home ) 😁😁 We'll have to agree to disagree as, in my opinion, there's no way we'd have collected 10 points from the last 6 games under him. I think we'd have scraped 3 draws from Wigan, Stoke and Bristol City. It always does, I accept that. If we'd not thrown away those wins in the Hull, QPR and Blackpool games, then fair to say confidence would have been extremely high going into these last 6 games,, out of the bottom 3 for the first time in a long time ( all season?? ) so we might have actually done better than 10 points from them. 'Might' is another word that does a lot of heavy lifting though. The only thing thats certain is we'll never actually know. |
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Post by waggers on Mar 9, 2023 13:21:29 GMT 1
Whilst we're playing this 'should have' game, we should have gone for Carrick after Corboran. Plenty should haves and would haves flying about. Drawing to a 10 man Blackpool is being brushed aside by many. As mentioned further back the issue stretches back further than MF, he was a bad appointment as was Schofield, as was all the player recruitment. |
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Post by aoftboy on Mar 9, 2023 21:39:05 GMT 1
Listened to yet another depressing Warnock press conference. Apart from testing out his jokes for his next tour he just comes over as someone who is disinterested , he shows no real passion at all. Even on the touch line at the last 2 games he either stands with his arms folded or sat in dugout. I didn’t no what to expect when he came back but more commitment and passion that we have seen so far.
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Post by Orinoco on Mar 9, 2023 22:45:18 GMT 1
Listened to yet another depressing Warnock press conference. Apart from testing out his jokes for his next tour he just comes over as someone who is disinterested , he shows no real passion at all. Even on the touch line at the last 2 games he either stands with his arms folded or sat in dugout. I didn’t no what to expect when he came back but more commitment and passion that we have seen so far. That is a great quote, exactly what I think, he seems to be laughing his way through, for someone with his experience his approach for the Burnley match was pathetic, Burnley best team in 25 years in the championship?, very much doubt that, probably the worst championship in 25 years is closer to the truth. |
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Post by royrace on Mar 9, 2023 23:36:27 GMT 1
Listened to yet another depressing Warnock press conference. Apart from testing out his jokes for his next tour he just comes over as someone who is disinterested , he shows no real passion at all. Even on the touch line at the last 2 games he either stands with his arms folded or sat in dugout. I didn’t no what to expect when he came back but more commitment and passion that we have seen so far. That is a great quote, exactly what I think, he seems to be laughing his way through, for someone with his experience his approach for the Burnley match was pathetic, Burnley best team in 25 years in the championship?, very much doubt that, probably the worst championship in 25 years is closer to the truth. What’s he supposed to do, come across all stressed and angry in his press conferences? I don’t think the jovial joker we see in the press conferences will be the same one the players always see. Watch the video from the Brum game when the goals go in, plenty of passion there. Would it have been better if he’d kicked the shit out of the dugout vs Coventry or burst into tears in the post match press conference?! Not been a great response so far granted but give him a chance. |
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Post by shawsie on Mar 9, 2023 23:58:36 GMT 1
Listened to yet another depressing Warnock press conference. Apart from testing out his jokes for his next tour he just comes over as someone who is disinterested , he shows no real passion at all. Even on the touch line at the last 2 games he either stands with his arms folded or sat in dugout. I didn’t no what to expect when he came back but more commitment and passion that we have seen so far. With respect hes not playing - its the buggers in the shirts that need to show that. We have a poor squad at this level sadly - warnock may argue we would have got something v cov had helik not made a shocking error. The way they folded after that was quite frankly pathetic. Four managers have tried and failed - the problem is the piss poor recruitment of poor players and poor characters - probably on cost grounds and it will take a miracle for it not to cost us our place at this level this season. |
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Post by Orinoco on Mar 10, 2023 0:13:55 GMT 1
That is a great quote, exactly what I think, he seems to be laughing his way through, for someone with his experience his approach for the Burnley match was pathetic, Burnley best team in 25 years in the championship?, very much doubt that, probably the worst championship in 25 years is closer to the truth. What’s he supposed to do, come across all stressed and angry in his press conferences? I don’t think the jovial joker we see in the press conferences will be the same one the players always see. Watch the video from the Brum game when the goals go in, plenty of passion there. Would it have been better if he’d kicked the shit out of the dugout vs Coventry or burst into tears in the post match press conference?! Not been a great response so far granted but give him a chance. We all want him to succeed, iam 100% behind him, if he succeeds it will probably rank as 1 of his greatest achievements, if he doesn't nobody really can or should slate him, he should have been brought in earlier as been suggested by several posters, don't think he fully realised the enormity of the task he has been presented with. Think we all want this season over with now, a well earned summer break for us all. |
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Post by stanton1969 on Mar 10, 2023 0:46:40 GMT 1
Any chance of another option? Brought in to look like we're trying to stay up to placate the fanbase, knowing we'll go down (perhaps even with instructions to not try too hard to keep us up)?
I could add more.....
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Post by terriers321 on Mar 10, 2023 10:55:08 GMT 1
Yup. 5 of the 6 performances since he left have been worse than just about anything I saw under Fotheringham. Weve gone backwards and with it any chance we had of surviving. Can you imagine this group being the last kick of the game , deep into the 98th minute, from taking 3 points at Hull now,.. cos I cant. Or being in the position to chuck away another 2 points at Blackpool..twice...? Again I cant. Fotheringham might well have kept us up IMO, despite the individual errors that kept costing us points. He was an unlucky psycho....... I think we would have been 4 points closer to Cardif minimum. A win at wigan and a draw at stoke, i would have fancied us to beat BC rather than draw last night also, so possibly a point behind, all ifs and buts, but i always felt he would have us at the race going into 2 massive games as the last 2 in the season. I would have probably had relegation as slight favourite, now its absolutely nailed on. We picked up next to nothing in the fixtures against the teams around us under Fotheringham. If anything, he should have gone sooner. Warnock was a past last resort, panic solution and it doesnt look like its gonna happen. Which is no suprise. That still doesnt mean fotheringham was the answer. We were off down under him as well. I dont get people having a pop at Warnock. The state of our squad is frankly embarrassing and has been allowed to deteriorate each transfer window till we are left with what we have. And although i think Schofield and Fotheringham were poor appointments, I dont blame them either. |
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