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Post by turbo2 on Mar 5, 2023 10:26:10 GMT 1
Steve Mounie’s unjust red card against Brighton. I still look back to that day vs Brighton and wonder what might have been if we'd have won that match. Not only the red card for Mounie, but there was a blatant penalty on Pritchard not given too when we were 1-0 up. We get and score that and its 2-0 and we probably go on to win. We didn't, and everything after that seems to have been one disaster rolled into another which has left us where we are today. After the Brighton game we played Bournemouth mid week then arsenal on the Saturday. Played well in all 3 games but zero points. For me the biggest turning point was when we signed Pritchard for 11m? In the January window on a ridiculous contract. We set a new bar that subsequently ruined the club |
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Post by detox on Mar 5, 2023 11:39:49 GMT 1
There was no one defining point. A long list stretching back across several seasons of poor decisions, poor signings, poor managerial appointments and plain old bad luck has led us to this. If pushed, I’d probably say the trouble started the second summer in the PL around the time DH became ill and the crap signings we brought in during that window. If you’re a club our size forever on a limited budget in the PL, virtually all your signings have to be spot on, you can’t afford many/any screw ups. If you have a mare like we did that second summer, there’s only one outcome and the ripples are still being felt several years down the line. I agree, that summer after out first season..We were euphoric having drawn at champions City then got a result at Chelsea...The final sign off at home to Arsenal knowing we were still in the PL.
What 'should have happened'...Hoyle should have taken a few £m's from the next PL money to pay himself back rather than spaff away money on dodgy recruits..he could have justifiably repaid himself £40m, who would have complained ? I wouldn't. We could still have added a bit to the squad but there was a bit of momentum from the previous season in there..just 2 additional clever recruits would have done it.
Everything that has followed, and the continued legacy of the debt to Hoyle and the resulting downgrading of our squad followed from that. Even of we'd stll been relegated we'd have the 'legacy' of parachute monies to make us a competetive Championship squad.
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Post by impact on Mar 5, 2023 12:27:29 GMT 1
If we're talking this year, then it has to be appointing Fotheringham.
I understand the reasons behind promoting Schofield, and when it wasn't working we did move fairly quickly. But then it had to be an experienced head who came in, who could turn things round and get the players playing to their potential.
Instead we got another novice and things fell apart.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 5, 2023 12:34:19 GMT 1
For me the turning point was the signing of Jason Puncheon.
It signalled to me that we had thrown the towel in and last season apart, it’s how I’ve felt about our club since that transfer window.
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Post by tepidterrier on Mar 5, 2023 12:39:40 GMT 1
If we're talking this year, then it has to be appointing Fotheringham. I understand the reasons behind promoting Schofield, and when it wasn't working we did move fairly quickly. But then it had to be an experienced head who came in, who could turn things round and get the players playing to their potential. Instead we got another novice and things fell apart. a proper manager in at that point and Schofield could be brushed off as a failed experiment with minimal long term damage to the club, or the players' collective psyche. |
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Post by willo on Mar 5, 2023 12:46:49 GMT 1
If we're talking this year, then it has to be appointing Fotheringham. I understand the reasons behind promoting Schofield, and when it wasn't working we did move fairly quickly. But then it had to be an experienced head who came in, who could turn things round and get the players playing to their potential. Instead we got another novice and things fell apart. a proper manager in at that point and Schofield could be brushed off as a failed experiment with minimal long term damage to the club, or the players' collective psyche. Certainly as far as this season goes, the appointment of Schofield’s replacement was massive and we got it badly wrong. Whoever ultimately decided on Fotheringham has to carry much of the blame for where we sit now. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Mar 5, 2023 12:50:55 GMT 1
a proper manager in at that point and Schofield could be brushed off as a failed experiment with minimal long term damage to the club, or the players' collective psyche. Certainly as far as this season goes, the appointment of Schofield’s replacement was massive and we got it badly wrong. Whoever ultimately decided on Fotheringham has to carry much of the blame for where we sit now. especially when Carrick was available and interested |
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Post by softboy on Mar 5, 2023 13:53:57 GMT 1
If we are talking this season I would say losing Nichols for rest of season. Yes we were already in trouble but we were beginning to be tight at the back and were in most games till the end.
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Mar 5, 2023 14:06:15 GMT 1
To go with one inexperienced coach is a gamble.
To go again with another one is just plain stupid.
But as mentioned further up you could see the logic in trying Schofield.
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Post by waggers on Mar 5, 2023 14:06:28 GMT 1
There are two episodes. The first turning points was the summer before the 18/19 season, terrible recruitment and shocking Wagner replacement. Then we pulled it back with CC but sold the top players from under him and replaced them with tripe, follow that with another 2 cheap novice managerial appointments (alongside the clown show going on between Dean and Phil) and we are where we are. Floored.
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Post by exberlinerterrier on Mar 5, 2023 14:34:44 GMT 1
It was that summer in the Premier League when someone at the club decided that we could now afford to spent 20 million on players like Kongolo, and a total of around 30 million euros on Mbenza, Sobhi and Diakhaby. Instead of recruiting more sensibly from the leagues which had brought us success up to that point.
Granted, it is possible that we couldn’t match wages, but when you keep the figures that we paid for Kongolo et al in mind, what other teams (in and around the PL) spent and who they recruited makes us look ridiculous.
Defenders we could have signed instead of Kongolo:
Leicester (EPL) : Jonny Evans - 4 Million EUR
Brighton (EPL) : Dan Burn - 3.55 Million EUR
WBA (Champ) : Kyle Bartley - 4.5 Million EUR
Brentford (Champ) : Ezri Konsa - 2.85 Million EUR
Sheff Utd (Champ) : John Egan - 4.5 Million EUR
Schalke (Bundesliga) : Salif Sane - 7 million EUR
Stuttgart (Bundesliga) : Ozan Kabak- 9 million EUR
Freiburg (Bundesliga) : Dominique Heintz - 3 Million EUR
Midfielders:
Villa (Champ) : John McGinn - 3 Million EUR
Brentford (Champ) : Said Benrahma - 1.7 million EUR
Blackburn (Champ) : Brereton Diaz - 8.3 million EUR
Freiburg (Bundesliga) : Roland Sallai - 4.3 million EUR
Hamburg (2. Liga) : Khaled Narey - 1.7 Million EUR
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Mar 5, 2023 14:41:31 GMT 1
A lot of the problem at the time with Town was that the people in charge were just not used to having the amount of money you get for being in the Premier League.
All prudence went out of the window.
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Post by hthp on Mar 5, 2023 14:42:24 GMT 1
I have been following Town since '82. There has been a lot of ups and downs. I remember dirty Leeds winning the Title and I was telling my match buddy that I would die happy if we could spend just one season in the Top Flight. Well, we got two of those. The second one was a disaster but the first one was unforgettable. It looks like we are going back to where we started. I was wondering how it went from that to this and what was the single definitive factor? For me, it was not letting Wagner go mid point of our second term in the Prem. He was knackered and wanted to leave. We should have brought in a top quality experienced manager and backed him in the transfer window. We have gone backwards since that point. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I hope our new generation of fans don't have to wait another 40 years like I, and many of us did. Town are not a crappy third tier club we can do better.The club and a lot of the fans would say that we are. They are wrong, of course. |
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Post by sabailand on Mar 5, 2023 14:45:48 GMT 1
As was mentioned earlier jon moss and the non-VAR decisions at wembley, it wasnt cos Mounie got sent off and we lost to Brighton, we were one of the worst premeirship teams in history.
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Post by runner76 on Mar 5, 2023 14:48:00 GMT 1
Hoyle not selling when we were in the PL
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Post by hthp on Mar 5, 2023 14:51:59 GMT 1
Hoyle selling it to a fraud.
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Post by hthp on Mar 5, 2023 14:52:21 GMT 1
As was mentioned earlier jon moss and the non-VAR decisions at wembley, it wasnt cos Mounie got sent off and we lost to Brighton, we were one of the worst premeirship teams in history. No no no, it was bad luck and referees why we got relegated. |
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Post by tvor on Mar 11, 2023 20:59:26 GMT 1
The turning point was when Nickhudd got banned. Time to bring him back. Daft as a brush but much less vitriolic than some of what’s posted on here.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Mar 11, 2023 21:06:00 GMT 1
We’d been shite for too long before Wagner. When we came good we couldn’t cope - we were stuck in a small town chancer’s mentality, apologising for even daring to be in the PL.
Even after we beat Man Utd we banged on about ‘staying humble’. We were beating ourselves before even getting into the pitch in the end.
Now we’re heading back to where we told everyone we actually belonged.
Fantastic.
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Post by pterrier on Mar 11, 2023 21:14:20 GMT 1
When Dean made his grubby deal with grubby Phil and put us on a grubby path to a grubby outcome.
Get those two knobheads out of our club asap and the toxic atmosphere will evaporate
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Post by alfredsterrier on Mar 11, 2023 21:17:13 GMT 1
For me it was when we started to take the underdog tag too seriously.
Yes we all knew we were punching above our weight but we seemed to say it’s ok to lose as we are not even meant to be here.
That attitude has carried on.
It’s influenced our decision making ever since.
Because we managed to get to the premier league totally unexpectedly and in a crazily small budget the club has thought that’s how it works.
Even David Wagner banged the small dog drum far too much.
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Post by tepidterrier on Mar 11, 2023 21:20:04 GMT 1
Turning point of us challenging for promotion: Corberan leaving
Turning point of us getting anything out of the season: Schofield not working out
THE Turning point of the season as a whole: appointing Buzz instead of eg. Carrick
Turning point that guaranteed relegation: 2 4-0 defeats in the space of a few days
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Post by 28901 on Mar 11, 2023 21:28:34 GMT 1
Turning point in the club's ethos
Harry Kane scoring for Spurs in that match early in the PL first season.
The end of terrier spirit.
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Post by harris on Mar 11, 2023 21:37:21 GMT 1
That fat Greek paying Tierney and Moss has probably cost us the next 20 years of club success
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Post by Amigo on Mar 11, 2023 21:40:33 GMT 1
Steve Mounie’s unjust red card against Brighton. That old chestnut. Anybody who thinks we were going to stay up that second season is dilusional. Seven points from nine to start and the clean sheets were just enough in season one to keep us up. An inability to score goals and actually create is why we are were we are now and why we were always going to get relegated in season two from the prem. Two worldies against Birmingham papered over the cracks. You say that but, we were 1-0 up coming off the back of a brilliant performance and win at Wolves and winning that day would have given up 10 points in 4 games, instead we lost and went on a run of 14 defeats and a draw in the next 15 games. If that match is not the definition of a turning point then I don't have a clue what is. |
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Post by 28901 on Mar 11, 2023 21:51:36 GMT 1
That fat Greek paying Tierney and Moss has probably cost us the next 20 years of club success I'm no conspiracy theorists. I detest them. But but ...the fat Greek, Jon Moss, Paul Tierney, no comment from Town about the shocking reffing, Forest signing our best players, Corberan leaving then turning up at Olympiacos, If I was I could have a field day. |
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Post by merseysideterrier on Mar 11, 2023 21:55:23 GMT 1
I don't think there's been a single turning point from the high of promotion to the Prem but if I had to pick I'd say it was the 18/19 summer transfer window. A few people have already said it but it really was a shocker. A couple of good signings (Lossl, Grant, Hamer) but £30mil+ on Kongolo, Diakhaby, Hadergjonaj and Sobhi plus their astronomical wages? Hamstrung us financially for years and made us reluctant to invest any money in the squad after that.
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Post by pterrier on Mar 11, 2023 22:04:37 GMT 1
I don't think there's been a single turning point from the high of promotion to the Prem but if I had to pick I'd say it was the 18/19 summer transfer window. A few people have already said it but it really was a shocker. A couple of good signings (Lossl, Grant, Hamer) but £30mil+ on Kongolo, Diakhaby, Hadergjonaj and Sobhi plus their astronomical wages? Hamstrung us financially for years and made us reluctant to invest any money in the squad after that. Have you just put Hamer into the category of good signings? thanks for making me laugh on an otherwise depressing night pal 😂 |
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Post by efesodje23 on Mar 11, 2023 22:19:37 GMT 1
I don't think there's been a single turning point from the high of promotion to the Prem but if I had to pick I'd say it was the 18/19 summer transfer window. A few people have already said it but it really was a shocker. A couple of good signings (Lossl, Grant, Hamer) but £30mil+ on Kongolo, Diakhaby, Hadergjonaj and Sobhi plus their astronomical wages? Hamstrung us financially for years and made us reluctant to invest any money in the squad after that. Hamer? Honestly, a comment worthy of a sectioning is that. |
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Post by Drew Peacock on Mar 11, 2023 22:20:27 GMT 1
The turning point this season for me was the rank amateur Sunday league style planning of our preseason schedule.
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