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Post by rockwall on Mar 11, 2023 22:25:08 GMT 1
Turning point. Should have given Wagner gardening leave instead of letting him go. Let him get refreshed and carry on the job he had done so well at.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 11, 2023 22:25:19 GMT 1
I don't think there's been a single turning point from the high of promotion to the Prem but if I had to pick I'd say it was the 18/19 summer transfer window. A few people have already said it but it really was a shocker. A couple of good signings (Lossl, Grant, Hamer) but £30mil+ on Kongolo, Diakhaby, Hadergjonaj and Sobhi plus their astronomical wages? Hamstrung us financially for years and made us reluctant to invest any money in the squad after that. Particularly galling is the lack of investment given we also got millions from the sales of mooy, sobhi, grant, billing and more recently obrien and toffolo. Not to mention the parachute monies!
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Post by ruggedivy on Mar 11, 2023 22:29:07 GMT 1
The moment Wagner got it in his head we where little old Huddersfield and we could never compete in the big league. I think at that moment, Dean's balls went back inside himself and he realised his wealth meant nothing. From late 2017 onwards we have been treading water and slowly sinking! Granted last year we almost defied logic but that now looks like a fluke!
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Post by joek on Mar 11, 2023 23:16:43 GMT 1
We’d been shite for too long before Wagner. When we came good we couldn’t cope - we were stuck in a small town chancer’s mentality, apologising for even daring to be in the PL. Even after we beat Man Utd we banged on about ‘staying humble’. We were beating ourselves before even getting into the pitch in the end. Now we’re heading back to where we told everyone we actually belonged. Fantastic. Have just never understood this line of thinking. Think it’s really easy to come out with stuff like this but it’s not quantifiable. We were very small fish in a big pond in the Prem and to pretend otherwise is ludicrous. To link a few comments from Wagner or Hoyle with our pretty poor performances that entire season and come up with the conclusion that we had a losers mentality is a massive stretch for me.
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Post by merseysideterrier on Mar 11, 2023 23:29:25 GMT 1
I don't think there's been a single turning point from the high of promotion to the Prem but if I had to pick I'd say it was the 18/19 summer transfer window. A few people have already said it but it really was a shocker. A couple of good signings (Lossl, Grant, Hamer) but £30mil+ on Kongolo, Diakhaby, Hadergjonaj and Sobhi plus their astronomical wages? Hamstrung us financially for years and made us reluctant to invest any money in the squad after that. Have you just put Hamer into the category of good signings? thanks for making me laugh on an otherwise depressing night pal 😂 Happy to help. It'd be an understatement to say Hamer struggled in the Prem, but had a good 20/21 until he moved to Swansea. Not bad for a free transfer, and definitely better than a lot of Town's business back then.
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Post by ColchTerrier on Mar 11, 2023 23:45:16 GMT 1
The moment Wagner got it in his head we where little old Huddersfield and we could never compete in the big league. I think at that moment, Dean's balls went back inside himself and he realised his wealth meant nothing. From late 2017 onwards we have been treading water and slowly sinking! Granted last year we almost defied logic but that now looks like a fluke! Said it before and I’ll say it again. The first game this season v Burnley at home LB was on SKY saying we was punching above our weight. For fucks sake we’re fucking Huddersfield Town! A massive club IMO! Bigger than Bournemouth, Burnley, Brentford and many many more. If someone inside is saying that it will filter through the squad. We’re massive, a great club, a fucking proud club. If I wanted a good away day I would choose Huddersfield Town away. I’m fed up and of this ‘small time attitude.’ If that’s the thought of the boardroom what is the point in supporting the club? At the end of the day we all support our club, we love our club hoping/praying we make it to the premier league again. If they don’t want that in the boardroom then what’s the point. Ambition. We all want ambition.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Mar 11, 2023 23:48:18 GMT 1
Not going after the signings Wagner identified in 2018, and instead letting some kid barely out of short trousers manage the recruitment and sign players based on their Football Manager ratings and YouTube highlights reels.
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Post by ColchTerrier on Mar 11, 2023 23:48:39 GMT 1
The moment Wagner got it in his head we where little old Huddersfield and we could never compete in the big league. I think at that moment, Dean's balls went back inside himself and he realised his wealth meant nothing. From late 2017 onwards we have been treading water and slowly sinking! Granted last year we almost defied logic but that now looks like a fluke! Said it before and I’ll say it again. The first game this season v Burnley at home LB was on SKY saying we was punching above our weight. For fucks sake we’re fucking Huddersfield Town! A massive club IMO! Bigger than Bournemouth, Burnley, Brentford and many many more. If someone inside is saying that it will filter through the squad. We’re massive, a great club, a fucking proud club. If I wanted a good away day I would choose Huddersfield Town away. I’m fed up and of this ‘small time attitude.’ If that’s the thought of the boardroom what is the point in supporting the club? At the end of the day we all support our club, we love our club hoping/praying we make it to the premier league again. If they don’t want that in the boardroom then what’s the point. Ambition. We all want ambition. I’ve had a few beers but it generally upsets me seeing that starting 11 today.
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Mar 12, 2023 1:01:09 GMT 1
Norwich at home on Wednesday is the turning point
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Post by 28901 on Mar 12, 2023 1:17:46 GMT 1
The moment Wagner got it in his head we where little old Huddersfield and we could never compete in the big league. I think at that moment, Dean's balls went back inside himself and he realised his wealth meant nothing. From late 2017 onwards we have been treading water and slowly sinking! Granted last year we almost defied logic but that now looks like a fluke! Spurs game
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Post by 28901 on Mar 12, 2023 1:20:08 GMT 1
We’d been shite for too long before Wagner. When we came good we couldn’t cope - we were stuck in a small town chancer’s mentality, apologising for even daring to be in the PL. Even after we beat Man Utd we banged on about ‘staying humble’. We were beating ourselves before even getting into the pitch in the end. Now we’re heading back to where we told everyone we actually belonged. Fantastic. Have just never understood this line of thinking. Think it’s really easy to come out with stuff like this but it’s not quantifiable. We were very small fish in a big pond in the Prem and to pretend otherwise is ludicrous. To link a few comments from Wagner or Hoyle with our pretty poor performances that entire season and come up with the conclusion that we had a losers mentality is a massive stretch for me. We are as big as Burnley and Watford. Do these clubs bang in about how small they are?
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Post by wigster on Mar 12, 2023 1:31:46 GMT 1
The moment Wagner got it in his head we where little old Huddersfield and we could never compete in the big league. I think at that moment, Dean's balls went back inside himself and he realised his wealth meant nothing. From late 2017 onwards we have been treading water and slowly sinking! Granted last year we almost defied logic but that now looks like a fluke! Spurs game That was the one.
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Post by mids on Mar 12, 2023 8:39:46 GMT 1
When Dean got pancreatitis. Since then has been a series of shambolic decisions and lots of posturing. All very sad, but it is what it is now.
Hopefully this summer can be another turning point 🙏
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Post by joek on Mar 12, 2023 8:53:53 GMT 1
Have just never understood this line of thinking. Think it’s really easy to come out with stuff like this but it’s not quantifiable. We were very small fish in a big pond in the Prem and to pretend otherwise is ludicrous. To link a few comments from Wagner or Hoyle with our pretty poor performances that entire season and come up with the conclusion that we had a losers mentality is a massive stretch for me. We are as big as Burnley and Watford. Do these clubs bang in about how small they are? Not got a clue as I don’t support them. Who or what decides how big another club is? Pretty sure that Burnley and Watford could demonstrate more ‘success’ (whatever that even is for anyone but big 6 these days) over last 5/10/15/20 years than us. Obviously don’t know how many mentions of them being a small club their managers/chairman make in the multitude of interviews they have to undertake to create never ending media content for people, but would personally be astonished if there was any correlation between that and their league performance.
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Post by wildhogg on Mar 12, 2023 9:08:35 GMT 1
Turning point for me (how far back in history do you go?) was not re-investing the money we got for Toffolo and O'Brien over the summer, and woeful recruitment. Two or three really decent signings with that money, and we'd have been in a different situation this season - even with the hapless Schofield/Fotheringham in charge. Losing two players of their quality, and thinking we'd be fine replacing them with Connor Mahoney, was a disaster.
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Post by royrace on Mar 12, 2023 9:22:13 GMT 1
The clear turning point for me was that moment, whenever it was, that Dean decided he was going to take his money back out of the club. A step change to coin one of his phrases.
More or less every bad decision and negative outcome has been a direct result of that, even up to where we are now with potential admin and being unable to agree a deal.
So the turning point was quite possibly as soon as he emerged from behind that seat at Wembley after Schindler's penalty. The penny dropped and he started to consider the fact that he could get back his £40M.... Maybe
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Post by Drew Peacock on Mar 12, 2023 10:06:06 GMT 1
The clear turning point for me was that moment, whenever it was, that Dean decided he was going to take his money back out of the club. A step change to coin one of his phrases. More or less every bad decision and negative outcome has been a direct result of that, even up to where we are now with potential admin and being unable to agree a deal. So the turning point was quite possibly as soon as he emerged from behind that seat at Wembley after Schindler's penalty. The penny dropped and he started to consider the fact that he could get back his £40M.... Maybe I don't think your last paragraph is correct personally, it's more likely he saw the vast sums of money being sucked out of the club accounts and going into the pockets of absolute parasites such Pritchard, Diakhaby, Mbenza, Bacuna etc and thought what the fuck am I doing
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Post by royrace on Mar 12, 2023 10:09:00 GMT 1
The clear turning point for me was that moment, whenever it was, that Dean decided he was going to take his money back out of the club. A step change to coin one of his phrases. More or less every bad decision and negative outcome has been a direct result of that, even up to where we are now with potential admin and being unable to agree a deal. So the turning point was quite possibly as soon as he emerged from behind that seat at Wembley after Schindler's penalty. The penny dropped and he started to consider the fact that he could get back his £40M.... Maybe I don't think your last paragraph is correct personally, it's more likely he saw the vast sums of money being sucked out of the club accounts and going into the pockets of absolute parasites such Pritchard, Diakhaby, Mbenza, Bacuna etc and thought what the fuck am I doing Yes I completely agree, it seemed to corrupt him almost. For a self made man it's completely understandable BUT don't buy a bloody football club if you can't handle seeing it!
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Post by pilgrimterrier on Mar 13, 2023 14:59:31 GMT 1
From a personal perspective it was on the train from Peterborough to London last year for the playoff final-it just felt so flat, the rest of the day was the same and this season has followed on in the same vein.
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Post by hartyhtfc on Mar 13, 2023 15:48:34 GMT 1
The turning point this season for me was the rank amateur Sunday league style planning of our preseason schedule. Seen this mentioned a few times but it completely passed me by at the time. What were the main things that went wrong with it? Not enough games or training time?
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Post by Detective Boyle on Mar 13, 2023 16:01:10 GMT 1
The exact turning point was Mooy getting injured. After that, I knew we were doomed
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Mar 13, 2023 16:46:02 GMT 1
The clear turning point for me was that moment, whenever it was, that Dean decided he was going to take his money back out of the club. A step change to coin one of his phrases. More or less every bad decision and negative outcome has been a direct result of that, even up to where we are now with potential admin and being unable to agree a deal. So the turning point was quite possibly as soon as he emerged from behind that seat at Wembley after Schindler's penalty. The penny dropped and he started to consider the fact that he could get back his £40M.... Maybe I don't think your last paragraph is correct personally, it's more likely he saw the vast sums of money being sucked out of the club accounts and going into the pockets of absolute parasites such Pritchard, Diakhaby, Mbenza, Bacuna etc and thought what the fuck am I doing I've always thought this - seeing his money end up in the pockets of half-assed, pampered prima donna's and their agents - all at a time when he we was wondering whether he might come out of hospital in a box. Not defending him here - but that to me is the likely explanation of his change of mind to recoup his losses.
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Post by aideybabes on Mar 13, 2023 17:52:12 GMT 1
Norwich at home on Wednesday is the turning point I hope you’re right. I’ll have a pint of whatever you’re drinking 😃
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Post by Tinpot on Mar 13, 2023 18:26:57 GMT 1
If only there was just one turning point...
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Post by terrier86 on Mar 13, 2023 21:55:59 GMT 1
COVID19.
Whilst there have been mistakes etc, the one thing nobody could plan for was that. Didnt we 'lose' the last year of parachute payments that Hoyle had factored into him being re-paid? If it weren't for that he would have had his money back and we could have re-invested which was the plan.
Dean did his deal with PH only about 9 months before COVID with the planning of revenue coming in from the PL until the end of the 21/22 season.
That's not to say other mistakes might still have happened but it's a massive issue in all this.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 13, 2023 22:03:30 GMT 1
COVID19. Whilst there have been mistakes etc, the one thing nobody could plan for was that. Didnt we 'lose' the last year of parachute payments that Hoyle had factored into him being re-paid? If it weren't for that he would have had his money back and we could have re-invested which was the plan. Dean did his deal with PH only about 9 months before COVID with the planning of revenue coming in from the PL until the end of the 21/22 season. That's not to say other mistakes might still have happened but it's a massive issue in all this. Don't where you've heard that but my understanding was that we were only deducted £2.8m from the season where it was played behind closed doors. Hoyle then re-scheduled his repayments over a longer period.
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Post by digs on Mar 14, 2023 10:19:53 GMT 1
Not signing players for the division we are playing in is a recipe for disaster,how many Premier League players did we sign when we played there?
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Post by workshyfop on Mar 14, 2023 10:36:32 GMT 1
Not signing players for the division we are playing in is a recipe for disaster,how many Premier League players did we sign when we played there? We’re ahead of the game for next season though with last summer’s recruitment.
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Post by incognito on Mar 14, 2023 11:24:41 GMT 1
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Mar 14, 2023 12:00:17 GMT 1
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