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Post by richhtfc on Mar 21, 2023 22:34:29 GMT 1
What’s your valuation for us? About £2.50 😂 |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 21, 2023 22:35:22 GMT 1
Well at least we won’t be rudderless (according to Durham Terrier).
Couldn’t stop chuckling at that one…
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Post by Jimuano on Mar 21, 2023 22:35:46 GMT 1
Probably because it wasn't worth the asking price the first time he sold it and it is now worth a hell of a lot less A bit like buying a BMW for 30k, spending 10k modifying it and then expecting 40k for it 10 years later. This analogy👌 |
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Post by H6dds on Mar 21, 2023 22:36:04 GMT 1
So the Dutch have guaranteed the staged payments from the club to Hoyle. To repay him the money HE spent? How dare Dean Hoyle sell the club he owns for the value of the money he put in. I’d much prefer he took his loans back and then said the club is worth X amount more on top. Honestly this board is ridiculous, thick as mince the vast majority. If I buy a car, pay for it to be repainted and change the engine and then crash it to a wall by driving carelessly will it be worth as much as I have spent on it? Whatever Dean put into the club he is the one responsible for pissing it away. It's rediculous to expect much nevermind all of it back even though it technically is his money. |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 21, 2023 22:36:11 GMT 1
Genuinely, I don't know, but I think £40m is a touch on the high side 😁 |
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Post by philstarbuckscoffee on Mar 21, 2023 22:38:43 GMT 1
Slightly off topic but whoever buys the club, one thing I’d love to see is investment in the stadium and surrounding area. I’ve been impressed on away games at the pregame offering at championship clubs and I think there is huge potential to develop this and make the whole experience more enjoyable and better for different groups. My 10 year old has given up on wanting to go as it has become a drag but better facilities inside and outside the ground wouldn’t go amiss. I don’t know anything about any of the groups but American sports know how to make it a day out (like you see in NFL tailgate parties pre game). I’d hope whatever comes next there is improvements on this front
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Post by crux on Mar 21, 2023 22:41:05 GMT 1
I'd have a bit more respect for him if he admitted that this is the reason why he has gone with the Dutch offer. He may do but I fully expect he will state it is was the best deal for the club To be honest I don’t see what the difference is, as long as he’s not asking an extortionate price for the club who cares? Is HTFC worth £40m ( a guess) ? You’d hope so if you believe in its potential and history. Is the current owner owed a ridiculous amount becaue he’s run the club into the ground? No it’s about £40m (again guessing). So let him take that as value and move on. If, for £40M investment, you got the club debt free, plus Canalside including the freehold of the land, plus the stadium and a decent contribution to the £10M of maintenance required. Then it may be a reasonable deal. The football side of the club needs a massive investment, well massive compared to recent times. We've got a "Dad's Army" squad, full of aging (expensive) players supplemented with inexperienced youngsters. Without this investment the only other solution is to sell the 'prime assets' such as Nicholls and Thomas, who are exactly the age of players we need to be recruiting! |
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 21, 2023 22:43:21 GMT 1
I didn't mind Slapps attempt at humour but he's no Jimmy Carr. You make that sound like its a bad thing. It is, Jimmy's ace |
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Post by 4 pts on Mar 21, 2023 22:46:41 GMT 1
Its one thing trying to get back the money you put in, its a completely different story trying to convince someone that what you are selling is worth that money As goes the saying, something is only worth what someone is willing to pay. DH is a businessman, he will have mentioned ‘potential’ a number of times in talks I would imagine. Agreed but as stated earlier by Million "A bit like buying a BMW for 30k, spending 10k modifying it and then expecting 40k for it 10 years later" Then there is the unfortunate problem of them modifications being nicked last summer and replaced with cheaper parts and all of a sudden that 10 yr old beamer is looking more and more like a LADA  Its a hard sell |
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Post by Leporid on Mar 21, 2023 22:47:52 GMT 1
Assume you weren’t one of those at the Town Hall Saturday then. Debate for another day but joking about a bad thing in no way changes how bad that thing is. Back to Town. I hope this takeover works better than… insert your own punchline I didn't mind Slapps attempt at humour but he's no Jimmy Carr. More Batley Carr? |
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Mar 21, 2023 22:50:35 GMT 1
To be honest I don’t see what the difference is, as long as he’s not asking an extortionate price for the club who cares? Is HTFC worth £40m ( a guess) ? You’d hope so if you believe in its potential and history. Is the current owner owed a ridiculous amount becaue he’s run the club into the ground? No it’s about £40m (again guessing). So let him take that as value and move on. If, for £40M investment, you got the club debt free, plus Canalside including the freehold of the land, plus the stadium and a decent contribution to the £10M of maintenance required. Then it may be a reasonable deal. The football side of the club needs a massive investment, well massive compared to recent times. We've got a "Dad's Army" squad, full of aging (expensive) players supplemented with inexperienced youngsters. Without this investment the only other solution is to sell the 'prime assets' such as Nicholls and Thomas, who are exactly the age of players we need to be recruiting! Nicholls is 31 in October. If we stay up I think he’ll be our Number 1 again next season. |
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 21, 2023 22:51:29 GMT 1
Genuinely, I don't know, but I think £40m is a touch on the high side 😁 A playing squad worth bugger all, 40% of a stadium needing a fortune spending on it and the buildings at Canalside but not the land they stand on 🤔 |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 21, 2023 22:54:25 GMT 1
Genuinely, I don't know, but I think £40m is a touch on the high side 😁 A playing squad worth bugger all, 40% of a stadium needing a fortune spending on it and the buildings at Canalside but not the land they stand on 🤔 I suppose the future installments on transfer fees might reduce it a bit but, yes, that's the way I see it too. Two tenths of bugger all, is what I'd value us at. |
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Post by suttystolemymarsbar on Mar 21, 2023 22:55:18 GMT 1
You make that sound like its a bad thing. It is, Jimmy's ace Each to their own! |
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 21, 2023 22:59:29 GMT 1
Go on then, who amuses you ? |
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Post by westislandterrier on Mar 21, 2023 23:09:41 GMT 1
Slightly off topic but whoever buys the club, one thing I’d love to see is investment in the stadium and surrounding area. I’ve been impressed on away games at the pregame offering at championship clubs and I think there is huge potential to develop this and make the whole experience more enjoyable and better for different groups. My 10 year old has given up on wanting to go as it has become a drag but better facilities inside and outside the ground wouldn’t go amiss. I don’t know anything about any of the groups but American sports know how to make it a day out (like you see in NFL tailgate parties pre game). I’d hope whatever comes next there is improvements on this front Not sure if the club own it or not - But I’d love to see 🍺 🥃 The Rope Walk 🥃 🍺 open once again... I always enjoyed a few here after the match and letting the crowds clear a bit before walking to Travelodge Huddersfield on Leeds Road to dispatch ma club shop purchases, a dram in the hotel room, a scrub up, The Yorkshire Rose for a half n’ a half, then out in Huddersfield town centre for The ‘night-shift’ ! |
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Post by alexdire on Mar 21, 2023 23:12:28 GMT 1
£40m? For what? Potential and history? Are you on glue? What’s your valuation for us? If you used a very generous 16 X earnings. A £40m valuation implies we are making £2.5m profit. We aren't we are making a £5m loss and will be for a while. If you used another rough measure 4x revenue. Then you could get a £40m valuation from our ~£10m revenue. Then that doesn't take into our £5m per season loss. Plus you have to factor the very real chance revenue could plummet next year. I can't see how it can be anywhere close to £40m. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 21, 2023 23:14:27 GMT 1
What’s your valuation for us? If you used a very generous 16 X earnings. A £40m valuation implies we are making £2.5m profit. We aren't we are making a £5m loss and will be for a while. If you used another rough measure 4x revenue. Then you could get a £40m valuation from our ~£10m revenue. Then that doesn't take into our £5m per season loss. Plus you have to factor the very real chance revenue could plummet next year. I can't see how it can be anywhere close to £40m. Slapps is your man for valuations |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Mar 21, 2023 23:15:49 GMT 1
Genuinely, I don't know, but I think £40m is a touch on the high side 😁 A playing squad worth bugger all, 40% of a stadium needing a fortune spending on it and the buildings at Canalside but not the land they stand on 🤔 With no revenue in league1 |
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Post by ambryboy on Mar 21, 2023 23:18:06 GMT 1
He'll be around longer than that pal Why does he not just want to go away ? just give the club the reset it needs and fully leave? Because he's a control freak? |
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Post by suttystolemymarsbar on Mar 21, 2023 23:20:32 GMT 1
Go on then, who amuses you ? Obviously off topic. But, in no particular order, James Acaster, Micky Flanagan, Bob Mortimer, Billy Connelly, Vic Reeves, Ricky Gervais, Peter Kaye, Bill Bailey, Frankie Howerd, Lucy Porter, Eric Morecambe, Ronnie Barker, Michael McIntyre. Probably several more if I could be bothered to think about it. Not Jimmy Carr though. Or Frankie Boyle. Not sure about Gag-N-Bone-Man. Each to their own! |
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Post by stevvy on Mar 21, 2023 23:20:52 GMT 1
Can anyone do me a favour and give a rough idea as to where we are now? As I hadn't been on for a few hours, then saw this thread and 11 pages. It's a helluva lot to try to read through, so a quick summary would be good if anyone is willing?
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Post by ColchTerrier on Mar 21, 2023 23:23:29 GMT 1
Can anyone do me a favour and give a rough idea as to where we are now? As I hadn't been on for a few hours, then saw this thread and 11 pages. It's a helluva lot to try to read through, so a quick summary would be good if anyone is willing? Replace PH with this Dutch guy. |
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Post by Tinpot on Mar 21, 2023 23:24:27 GMT 1
Forgive me if I've missed summat, but this figure of £40m. Who decided that?
Only, The combined cost of Kongolo, Pritchard, Diakaby and Mbenza was more that that and I've wiped more valuable stuff than them four on to a few sheets of Andrex.
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Post by Wingman on Mar 21, 2023 23:26:08 GMT 1
As goes the saying, something is only worth what someone is willing to pay. DH is a businessman, he will have mentioned ‘potential’ a number of times in talks I would imagine. Agreed but as stated earlier by Million "A bit like buying a BMW for 30k, spending 10k modifying it and then expecting 40k for it 10 years later" Then there is the unfortunate problem of them modifications being nicked last summer and replaced with cheaper parts and all of a sudden that 10 yr old beamer is looking more and more like a LADA Its a hard sell True, would any of us buy it in it’s current state? Not sure I would but the heart can rule the head. The analogy made was spot on. |
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Post by Dan on Mar 21, 2023 23:26:14 GMT 1
Can anyone do me a favour and give a rough idea as to where we are now? As I hadn't been on for a few hours, then saw this thread and 11 pages. It's a helluva lot to try to read through, so a quick summary would be good if anyone is willing? Jimmy Carr isn't funny |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 21, 2023 23:26:40 GMT 1
Forgive me if I've missed summat, but this figure of £40m. Who decided that? Only, The combined cost of Kongolo, Pritchard, Diakaby and Mbenza was more that that and I've wiped more valuable stuff than them four on to a few sheets of Andrex. No one, it was just me and richhtfc having an argument 😂 |
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Post by sabailand on Mar 21, 2023 23:26:52 GMT 1
Can anyone do me a favour and give a rough idea as to where we are now? As I hadn't been on for a few hours, then saw this thread and 11 pages. It's a helluva lot to try to read through, so a quick summary would be good if anyone is willing? Just read something like this, its all you need to know. cdn.waterstones.com/bookjackets/large/9781/8474/9781847497482.jpg |
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Post by mids on Mar 21, 2023 23:27:43 GMT 1
Can anyone do me a favour and give a rough idea as to where we are now? As I hadn't been on for a few hours, then saw this thread and 11 pages. It's a helluva lot to try to read through, so a quick summary would be good if anyone is willing? To be fair it took 10mins to get through the pages and catch up....lots of duplication too. Just look for the pertinent posters and you'll be fine 🙂 |
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 21, 2023 23:32:58 GMT 1
Just look for the pertinent posters poster and you'll be fine 🙂 Fixed that for you.  |
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