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Post by CurlyWurly on Mar 21, 2023 17:16:34 GMT 1
Whilst I appreciate the concerns around the Dutch, which are all based on speculation and rumour, the "I'm not buying a season ticket" response is rather kneejerk. Surely we have to give them 18 months to show us their intentions. If we stay up (or go down) and are towards the top of the table this time next year I suspect opinions may be different. If we're still an absolute shambles in 12 months then I'll probably be joining you in not renewing, but surely you have to give them a chance. This is a chance for a total reset from the utter shite we've been given for the last 5 years ( -1 season). We should be excited about what's going to happen, not immediately ruling these guys out. I could give you a list as long as my arm of clubs with billionaire owners who aren't progressing. Having a clear identity and plan is far far far more important than billions. Now I'm not saying the Americans won't have a plan, but again we have absolutely no idea so to form such a drastic opinion in regards to season tickets is a little OTT for me. Feel free to revisit this in 12 months 😂 P.s if this involves Dean staying around then I 1000% agree with everyone. Needs to be a total split Haven't seen anyone say they won't renew if its the Dutch that get us, seen some say they won't renew if Hoyle is still involved. Fairs. Perhaps I misunderstood. I would be surprised if we know the truth before renewal time! |
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Post by Maynardblue on Mar 21, 2023 17:17:52 GMT 1
Hoyle has made the club a rotten smouldering cesspit. I certainly won’t be getting a season ticket if he’s sticking around in any capacity. Whatever happens then you will not be getting a season ticket, DH will be around minimum I would say of 6months whatever the final outcome as DH is currently the only person approved to run the club and changing this to someone new is not a quick process. And by the way DH has actually saved the club again...........admittedly from a mistake he was part of selling to PH. If he had sold to PH completely and fully cut ties, the chances are you also would not be getting a season ticket next season in fact you probably would not have one this season.............  it will all come out in time and I am quite sure your opinion will change. The club should be in an extremly healthy position should everything go to plan now if we have the investment announcement in the next few days / weeks then this could give a massive lift to everyone and give us a great chance of survial in the championship. Wow the great Shane Warne himself would have been proud of this level of spin |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Mar 21, 2023 17:18:05 GMT 1
Whatever happens then you will not be getting a season ticket, DH will be around minimum I would say of 6months whatever the final outcome as DH is currently the only person approved to run the club and changing this to someone new is not a quick process. And by the way DH has actually saved the club again...........admittedly from a mistake he was part of selling to PH. If he had sold to PH completely and fully cut ties, the chances are you also would not be getting a season ticket next season in fact you probably would not have one this season............. it will all come out in time and I am quite sure your opinion will change. The club should be in an extremly healthy position should everything go to plan now if we have the investment announcement in the next few days / weeks then this could give a massive lift to everyone and give us a great chance of survial in the championship. I imagine the highlighted sentence is the key to this. We need investment now to secure the club into next season and any new owner would need to pass the new owner test and we don't have time to do both. I would imagine it's a matter of timing and the plan is to clear it up in the foreseeable future. Admittedly, we have heard that before however.... Good post but I’m guessing people on the “not renewing” boat like me were perhaps 60/40 in favour of doing other things with their Saturday’s, disillusioned with how the club has been handled since PL relegation and desperate for some positive ambitious sentiment to sway us the other way. Hoyle remaining (I agree, yet to be seen but probable) instantly negates any of that IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 17:19:01 GMT 1
Its still my understanding that DH wants to be fully out and back to being a fan again however it cant possibly happen quickly too much to sort out.
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- Stadium shares and ownership to sort out
The Dutch deal is the only one that is really an avaialble option at this time and it is also the one with Football experience, we have been lucky with DH in charge as a fan willing to throw his own money into the club, I dont expect this to happen ever again and the Dutch want to run a succesful business / football club finacialy and on the pitch, I dont see an issue with this its more likly we would still have a club to support in ten years with the Dutch model than the North American model, just because the other people have more nett worth doesnt mean they are willing to throw it all away with the hope of Premiership football.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Mar 21, 2023 17:19:15 GMT 1
Whilst I appreciate the concerns around the Dutch, which are all based on speculation and rumour, the "I'm not buying a season ticket" response is rather kneejerk. Surely we have to give them 18 months to show us their intentions. If we stay up (or go down) and are towards the top of the table this time next year I suspect opinions may be different. If we're still an absolute shambles in 12 months then I'll probably be joining you in not renewing, but surely you have to give them a chance. This is a chance for a total reset from the utter shite we've been given for the last 5 years ( -1 season). We should be excited about what's going to happen, not immediately ruling these guys out. I could give you a list as long as my arm of clubs with billionaire owners who aren't progressing. Having a clear identity and plan is far far far more important than billions. Now I'm not saying the Americans won't have a plan, but again we have absolutely no idea so to form such a drastic opinion in regards to season tickets is a little OTT for me. Feel free to revisit this in 12 months 😂 P.s if this involves Dean staying around then I 1000% agree with everyone. Needs to be a total split It's not a case of ruling them out, it's having that absolute leach bleeding the club for his own mistakes that seems to be the concern. That's the reason I won't be renewing. If we have a clean break and a fresh start I'll be getting on board, if he's still here taking money out of the club I'd rather not put another penny in. |
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Post by mosher on Mar 21, 2023 17:19:24 GMT 1
Whilst I appreciate the concerns around the Dutch, which are all based on speculation and rumour, the "I'm not buying a season ticket" response is rather kneejerk. Surely we have to give them 18 months to show us their intentions. If we stay up (or go down) and are towards the top of the table this time next year I suspect opinions may be different. If we're still an absolute shambles in 12 months then I'll probably be joining you in not renewing, but surely you have to give them a chance. This is a chance for a total reset from the utter shite we've been given for the last 5 years ( -1 season). We should be excited about what's going to happen, not immediately ruling these guys out. I could give you a list as long as my arm of clubs with billionaire owners who aren't progressing. Having a clear identity and plan is far far far more important than billions. Now I'm not saying the Americans won't have a plan, but again we have absolutely no idea so to form such a drastic opinion in regards to season tickets is a little OTT for me. Feel free to revisit this in 12 months 😂 P.s if this involves Dean staying around then I 1000% agree with everyone. Needs to be a total split Haven't seen anyone say they won't renew if its the Dutch that get us, seen some say they won't renew if Hoyle is still involved. I think that's the overriding opinion. But even if DH is still involved I'll be renewing. At least for the first season of the new ownership configuration, if that ends up being the case of course. I know it's different to some people this time because of recent "success" (**) in the PL but I still renewed in 03-04, still renewed after THAT Birmingham game so I'll probably still renew whatever happens. Like that Grimsby bloke said: It's harder to get off than smack! ** I put success like that because, while getting there was undoubtedly success, the actual PL years weren't. Just staying up isn't successful and relegation certainly aint, no matter the disparity between clubs. |
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Post by softboy on Mar 21, 2023 17:20:34 GMT 1
Rather than sell part of the club to PH I think a lot say he should simply have sought out overseas investors who had money and could pass the fit and proper person test or whatever it’s called like Dave Whelan at Wigan did. . Personally I want the best possible deal for Town whatever format it is.
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Post by St Dogs Terrier on Mar 21, 2023 17:21:31 GMT 1
If this goes ahead and DH stays on we don't know in what capacity?
It may be as some have suggested a PH Mk2.
It may be that he has set up a deal to let them use his debt to leverage a buyout i.e. he sells the club for £10m and the rest of the debt is serviced at a discounted %age rate - cheaper than a bank loan ( I don't know this am just speculating). May be they are keeping him on in an advisory capacity or have offered him a job as a window fitter in Amsterdam?
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Post by bells ringing :) on Mar 21, 2023 17:21:41 GMT 1
Its still my understanding that DH wants to be fully out and back to being a fan again however it cant possibly happen quickly too much to sort out. - Approval for any new owner takes time - Canalside land to sort - Stadium shares and ownership to sort out The Dutch deal is the only one that is really an avaialble option at this time and it is also the one with Football experience, we have been lucky with DH in charge as a fan willing to throw his own money into the club, I dont expect this to happen ever again and the Dutch want to run a succesful business / football club finacialy and on the pitch, I dont see an issue with this its more likly we would still have a club to support in ten years with the Dutch model than the North American model, just because the other people have more nett worth doesnt mean they are willing to throw it all away with the hope of Premiership football. Have you got an idea, on how the Dutch can afford us? as from what i have looked up the bloke Neeilsen is it, is actually worth less than Hoyle is ? |
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Post by ColchTerrier on Mar 21, 2023 17:21:43 GMT 1
When’s announcement?
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Post by Maynardblue on Mar 21, 2023 17:21:55 GMT 1
Its still my understanding that DH wants to be fully out and back to being a fan again however it cant possibly happen quickly too much to sort out. - Approval for any new owner takes time - Canalside land to sort - Stadium shares and ownership to sort out The Dutch deal is the only one that is really an avaialble option at this time and it is also the one with Football experience, we have been lucky with DH in charge as a fan willing to throw his own money into the club, I dont expect this to happen ever again and the Dutch want to run a succesful business / football club finacialy and on the pitch, I dont see an issue with this its more likly we would still have a club to support in ten years with the Dutch model than the North American model, just because the other people have more nett worth doesnt mean they are willing to throw it all away with the hope of Premiership football. 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆 |
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Post by Big Ern on Mar 21, 2023 17:22:06 GMT 1
Its still my understanding that DH wants to be fully out and back to being a fan again however it cant possibly happen quickly too much to sort out. - Approval for any new owner takes time - Canalside land to sort - Stadium shares and ownership to sort out The Dutch deal is the only one that is really an avaialble option at this time and it is also the one with Football experience, we have been lucky with DH in charge as a fan willing to throw his own money into the club, I dont expect this to happen ever again and the Dutch want to run a succesful business / football club finacialy and on the pitch, I dont see an issue with this its more likly we would still have a club to support in ten years with the Dutch model than the North American model, just because the other people have more nett worth doesnt mean they are willing to throw it all away with the hope of Premiership football. Still have a club to support in league 2 or the conference. Fucking yippee. When the likes of Duayne Holmes and Oliver Turton are considered to be on too high a wage you watch as we tailspin into being on the same level as Rochdale all in the name of breaking even. How fucking exciting. Hoyle has literally just taken his tiny town mantra to another level. What a legacy |
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Post by Sio on Mar 21, 2023 17:22:44 GMT 1
Its still my understanding that DH wants to be fully out and back to being a fan again however it cant possibly happen quickly too much to sort out. - Approval for any new owner takes time - Canalside land to sort - Stadium shares and ownership to sort out The Dutch deal is the only one that is really an avaialble option at this time and it is also the one with Football experience, we have been lucky with DH in charge as a fan willing to throw his own money into the club, I dont expect this to happen ever again and the Dutch want to run a succesful business / football club finacialy and on the pitch, I dont see an issue with this its more likly we would still have a club to support in ten years with the Dutch model than the North American model, just because the other people have more nett worth doesnt mean they are willing to throw it all away with the hope of Premiership football. If you believe a word Dean says about his intentions and the right people to sell to after the last 5 years then you're mad. Even if you are his wife. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Mar 21, 2023 17:23:53 GMT 1
Also what is the reason for this group buying us, or putting money in to have the old chairman hanging around like a bad smell? why do they not just buy him out completely , you know like other/ many other takoevers?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 17:24:53 GMT 1
Whilst I appreciate the concerns around the Dutch, which are all based on speculation and rumour, the "I'm not buying a season ticket" response is rather kneejerk. Surely we have to give them 18 months to show us their intentions. If we stay up (or go down) and are towards the top of the table this time next year I suspect opinions may be different. If we're still an absolute shambles in 12 months then I'll probably be joining you in not renewing, but surely you have to give them a chance. This is a chance for a total reset from the utter shite we've been given for the last 5 years ( -1 season). We should be excited about what's going to happen, not immediately ruling these guys out. I could give you a list as long as my arm of clubs with billionaire owners who aren't progressing. Having a clear identity and plan is far far far more important than billions. Now I'm not saying the Americans won't have a plan, but again we have absolutely no idea so to form such a drastic opinion in regards to season tickets is a little OTT for me. Feel free to revisit this in 12 months 😂 P.s if this involves Dean staying around then I 1000% agree with everyone. Needs to be a total split It's not a case of ruling them out, it's having that absolute leach bleeding the club for his own mistakes that seems to be the concern. That's the reason I won't be renewing. If we have a clean break and a fresh start I'll be getting on board, if he's still here taking money out of the club I'd rather not put another penny in. Are you seriously saying DH is taking money out of the club, its completly the other way around DH is putting money into the club on a daily basis and will not get anything like what he has put in back whoever the investor / new owner. |
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Post by CurlyWurly on Mar 21, 2023 17:25:02 GMT 1
I appreciate everything you do on here Maynard.
But you're killing me here 😂 We need to know what you know!
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Post by Big Ern on Mar 21, 2023 17:25:08 GMT 1
Also what is the reason for this group buying us, or putting money in to have the old chairman hanging around like a bad smell? why do they not just buy him out completely , you know like other/ many other takoevers? Cos they probably have less dough than Hodgkinson 🤣 |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Mar 21, 2023 17:26:36 GMT 1
It's not a case of ruling them out, it's having that absolute leach bleeding the club for his own mistakes that seems to be the concern. That's the reason I won't be renewing. If we have a clean break and a fresh start I'll be getting on board, if he's still here taking money out of the club I'd rather not put another penny in. Are you seriously saying DH is taking money out of the club, its completly the other way around DH is putting money into the club on a daily basis and will not get anything like what he has put in back whoever the investor / new owner. He's having to put money in because of his own fucking mistakes. What planet are you living on? |
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Post by waggers on Mar 21, 2023 17:27:11 GMT 1
Hoyle has made the club a rotten smouldering cesspit. I certainly won’t be getting a season ticket if he’s sticking around in any capacity. Whatever happens then you will not be getting a season ticket, DH will be around minimum I would say of 6months whatever the final outcome as DH is currently the only person approved to run the club and changing this to someone new is not a quick process. And by the way DH has actually saved the club again...........admittedly from a mistake he was part of selling to PH. If he had sold to PH completely and fully cut ties, the chances are you also would not be getting a season ticket next season in fact you probably would not have one this season............. it will all come out in time and I am quite sure your opinion will change. The club should be in an extremly healthy position should everything go to plan now if we have the investment announcement in the next few days / weeks then this could give a massive lift to everyone and give us a great chance of survial in the championship. How on earth can you claim Hoyle saved us this time, then add from his own error? Some of the pro Hoyle folk on this board are genuinely insane. You're like a gang of teenage girls in love with Justin fecking Beiber. Can you not just accept his numerous huge errors? |
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 21, 2023 17:28:45 GMT 1
Its still my understanding that DH wants to be fully out and back to being a fan again however it cant possibly happen quickly too much to sort out. - Approval for any new owner takes time - Canalside land to sort - Stadium shares and ownership to sort out The Dutch deal is the only one that is really an avaialble option at this time and it is also the one with Football experience, we have been lucky with DH in charge as a fan willing to throw his own money into the club, I dont expect this to happen ever again and the Dutch want to run a succesful business / football club finacialy and on the pitch, I dont see an issue with this its more likly we would still have a club to support in ten years with the Dutch model than the North American model, just because the other people have more nett worth doesnt mean they are willing to throw it all away with the hope of Premiership football. 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆 🫣🫣🫣 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 17:29:44 GMT 1
Are you seriously saying DH is taking money out of the club, its completly the other way around DH is putting money into the club on a daily basis and will not get anything like what he has put in back whoever the investor / new owner. He's having to put money in because of his own fucking mistakes. What planet are you living on? He doesnt / didnt have to put a penny in, it would have been cheaper not to when PH couldnt afford to pay. |
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Post by H6dds on Mar 21, 2023 17:29:47 GMT 1
Hoyle has made the club a rotten smouldering cesspit. I certainly won’t be getting a season ticket if he’s sticking around in any capacity. Whatever happens then you will not be getting a season ticket, DH will be around minimum I would say of 6months whatever the final outcome as DH is currently the only person approved to run the club and changing this to someone new is not a quick process. And by the way DH has actually saved the club again...........admittedly from a mistake he was part of selling to PH. If he had sold to PH completely and fully cut ties, the chances are you also would not be getting a season ticket next season in fact you probably would not have one this season............. it will all come out in time and I am quite sure your opinion will change. The club should be in an extremly healthy position should everything go to plan now if we have the investment announcement in the next few days / weeks then this could give a massive lift to everyone and give us a great chance of survial in the championship. Ahh, Mr Final post is back with another gem of a post |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Mar 21, 2023 17:29:58 GMT 1
Sorry but this is just spin. Club has been up for sale since October, our first game of next season is still five months away. Any idea that more time is what is required is ridiculous.
Plus we’d have a club to support either way. Town wouldn’t go bust, the level of support in this town has helped to sustain a Championship (and temporarily a PL) club for a decade. This isn’t a village non-league club.
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Post by dezzly on Mar 21, 2023 17:30:39 GMT 1
It's not a case of ruling them out, it's having that absolute leach bleeding the club for his own mistakes that seems to be the concern. That's the reason I won't be renewing. If we have a clean break and a fresh start I'll be getting on board, if he's still here taking money out of the club I'd rather not put another penny in. Are you seriously saying DH is taking money out of the club, its completly the other way around DH is putting money into the club on a daily basis and will not get anything like what he has put in back whoever the investor / new owner. No one gives two shits whether he’s having to put money in he won’t get back.he bought a football club.and he made the deal with Phil so can’t complain. All anyone is bothered about is seeing the club do well and be improved. And I don’t think this deal will achieve that.sadly |
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Post by terrierforever on Mar 21, 2023 17:30:48 GMT 1
Maynard I respect you are the true ITK that is obvious.
Please give me/everyone some hope and like this post if the Americans are still involved and are trying to buy us.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 21, 2023 17:31:03 GMT 1
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Post by isitjustme on Mar 21, 2023 17:31:58 GMT 1
Maynardblues posts are not very encouraging are they........!!!
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Post by hoggy1975 on Mar 21, 2023 17:32:29 GMT 1
He's having to put money in because of his own fucking mistakes. What planet are you living on? He doesnt / didnt have to put a penny in, it would have been cheaper not to when PH couldnt afford to pay. Can I ask why didn’t he choose the Americans? Did they offer a full buy out and Dean no longer involved in the running of the club? Do you think from any knowledge you have they’ll have ambition to get us out of league 1? Might as well ask as I have no idea on either! |
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Post by crux on Mar 21, 2023 17:32:51 GMT 1
Are you seriously saying DH is taking money out of the club, its completly the other way around DH is putting money into the club on a daily basis and will not get anything like what he has put in back whoever the investor / new owner. He's having to put money in because of his own fucking mistakes. What planet are you living on? I'm still trying to work out how, with an allegedly sub £10M pa wage bill somewhere in the bottom 5 of the league, we appear to be running at a £10M loss before transfer income? Wasn't it supposed to be £5M pa that DH 'has' to put into the club, with the other £5M coming from Grant and now O'brien and Toffolo's transfer fees. |
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Post by htfc1908 on Mar 21, 2023 17:35:01 GMT 1
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