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Post by leroy212 on Mar 24, 2023 8:03:16 GMT 1
He is rightly getting praise for selling to the Americans and writing off the debt. But let's not forgot this deal only been done because EFL blocked the Dutch deal. But well done dean for doing best for the club
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Post by Wingman on Mar 24, 2023 8:09:15 GMT 1
Oh how some posters on here who have liked the sound of their own voice far too much of late are going to be very, very quiet now. Don’t worry, you can use the close season as an excuse. Great for the rest of us who can actually start posting again. Oh, and is there a pie maker in the Huddersfield area big enough to supply the amount of humble pie that needs to be eaten on here?. I suspect not. Sadly, the ugly side of the forum has been present for the last week or so. However, that applies to BOTH sides of the debate. Although not aimed directly at you Morley, posts coming on now akin to gloating and telling folk to eat humble pie are just as bad as those that called DH all the names under the Sun, and insinuating he was only concerned for his wealth. It’s time to calm down as a collective and wait for the news on the new owners. A new dawn is breaking, let’s hope it’s a sunny day. |
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Mar 24, 2023 8:31:52 GMT 1
As I have said before, none of us know close to the full facts. Not going down the who is right or wrong path, or humble pie route - I think hopefully what we as fans can learn collectively, is that whilst debating things respectfully is healthy, getting personal and making conclusions based on rumour is never the right approach.
Lessons learned (hopefully) that it is best to keep your powder dry until you have all the facts.
I’m as gutted as anyone how this season has turned out, but have also had some of the best memories of my life this last 10 years or so under DH. He allowed us to dream again, and the playoff final v Reading in 2017 will forever remain as one of my most cherished memories - 3 grown men (me and my two brothers) at Wembley who very rarely cry, reduced to floods of tears when the winning penalty went in.
I wish DH and his family all the best and thank him for the memories which will last a lifetime. The good memories always outweighs the bad - take administration in 2003, a distant memory now but the following season when Jacko and the young lads won promotion will last forever.
Off the pitch, Hudds have done many great things in recent times re charity stuff, family focussed things - DH has been a big driving force behind that.
There has been good and bad over the last decade or so, but I’m sure fans of most clubs would say the same. Time to move forward - short term backing the lads to try stay in the Championship, and longer term backing the new owners.
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Post by richhtfc on Mar 24, 2023 9:53:32 GMT 1
He is rightly getting praise for selling to the Americans and writing off the debt. But let's not forgot this deal only been done because EFL blocked the Dutch deal. But well done dean for doing best for the club Find this EFL thing hard to believe, is there any evidence for it? |
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Post by mids on Mar 24, 2023 9:59:39 GMT 1
Oh how some posters on here who have liked the sound of their own voice far too much of late are going to be very, very quiet now. Don’t worry, you can use the close season as an excuse. Great for the rest of us who can actually start posting again. Oh, and is there a pie maker in the Huddersfield area big enough to supply the amount of humble pie that needs to be eaten on here?. I suspect not. Sadly, the ugly side of the forum has been present for the last week or so. However, that applies to BOTH sides of the debate. Although not aimed directly at you Morley, posts coming on now akin to gloating and telling folk to eat humble pie are just as bad as those that called DH all the names under the Sun, and insinuating he was only concerned for his wealth. It’s time to calm down as a collective and wait for the news on the new owners. A new dawn is breaking, let’s hope it’s a sunny day. The perceived 'gloating' is nowhere near as abhorrent as the vitriol that has been thrown at DH over the past few weeks/months/years, IMHO. Hopefully things calm down a tad and he's still able to attend games, in safety, whenever he wants to in the future. Even if we end up in the same league we started in, surely nobody can say they haven't enjoyed most of the rollercoaster ride. |
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Post by Stewpot on Mar 24, 2023 10:02:35 GMT 1
He is rightly getting praise for selling to the Americans and writing off the debt. But let's not forgot this deal only been done because EFL blocked the Dutch deal. But well done dean for doing best for the club Find this EFL thing hard to believe, is there any evidence for it? One of those claiming to be "in the know" said it never went to the EFL, the due process takes quite a while. If so, then the accepted deal will be the same presumably. |
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Post by richhtfc on Mar 24, 2023 10:23:50 GMT 1
Sadly, the ugly side of the forum has been present for the last week or so. However, that applies to BOTH sides of the debate. Although not aimed directly at you Morley, posts coming on now akin to gloating and telling folk to eat humble pie are just as bad as those that called DH all the names under the Sun, and insinuating he was only concerned for his wealth. It’s time to calm down as a collective and wait for the news on the new owners. A new dawn is breaking, let’s hope it’s a sunny day. The perceived 'gloating' is nowhere near as abhorrent as the vitriol that has been thrown at DH over the past few weeks/months/years, IMHO. Hopefully things calm down a tad and he's still able to attend games, in safety, whenever he wants to in the future. Even if we end up in the same league we started in, surely nobody can say they haven't enjoyed most of the rollercoaster ride. Agreed, it’s not comparable, It’s a real shame there’s been so much division, but it’s understandable that people are emotional because we all care about the club and it’s been really rough this season. Hopefully the new owners can refresh and re-unite the club because this constant bickering about who’s to blame for our circumstance is polarising the fanbase and counter productive to any kind of progress. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 24, 2023 10:30:49 GMT 1
Sadly, the ugly side of the forum has been present for the last week or so. However, that applies to BOTH sides of the debate. Although not aimed directly at you Morley, posts coming on now akin to gloating and telling folk to eat humble pie are just as bad as those that called DH all the names under the Sun, and insinuating he was only concerned for his wealth. It’s time to calm down as a collective and wait for the news on the new owners. A new dawn is breaking, let’s hope it’s a sunny day. The perceived 'gloating' is nowhere near as abhorrent as the vitriol that has been thrown at DH over the past few weeks/months/years, IMHO. Hopefully things calm down a tad and he's still able to attend games, in safety, whenever he wants to in the future. Even if we end up in the same league we started in, surely nobody can say they haven't enjoyed most of the rollercoaster ride. Will Phil H be afforded the same reception? Life’s too bloody short to lose your head over this. Let’s get back to the football in 8 days and see if the crowd can do their bit to get a positive result out of the Boro game, then onto the next 7 Cup finals… |
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Post by Town1971 on Mar 24, 2023 10:42:08 GMT 1
It's time to move on from being pro.DH or anti DH.The club entering a new era.Let's just get on with being fans.
Too much bickering gone on.
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 24, 2023 10:49:20 GMT 1
If we can get Knockaert to 'oss himsen, we'll be in with a reight chance.
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Post by hthp on Mar 24, 2023 10:51:55 GMT 1
The perceived 'gloating' is nowhere near as abhorrent as the vitriol that has been thrown at DH over the past few weeks/months/years, IMHO. Hopefully things calm down a tad and he's still able to attend games, in safety, whenever he wants to in the future. Even if we end up in the same league we started in, surely nobody can say they haven't enjoyed most of the rollercoaster ride. Will Phil H be afforded the same reception? Life’s too bloody short to lose your head over this. Let’s get back to the football in 8 days and see if the crowd can do their bit to get a positive result out of the Boro game, then onto the next 7 Cup finals… Hodgkinson can go back to being a season ticket holder at Liverpool. Some Town fan, eh? |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Mar 24, 2023 11:11:08 GMT 1
Wonder how much Hoyle paid Hodgkinson for his 75% shares so the take over could go ahead
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Post by Tinpot on Mar 24, 2023 11:25:42 GMT 1
He is rightly getting praise for selling to the Americans and writing off the debt. But let's not forgot this deal only been done because EFL blocked the Dutch deal. But well done dean for doing best for the club Is there any evidence of the EFL blocking the Dutch deal, or is this another one of those "Facts" where a wild assumption is made and repeated so often that it becomes accepted as gospel? If they did block it, on what grounds (given that multi-club ownership is quite common) did they do so? Personally I favoured the Dutch option anyway, so no credit from me for rejecting it just yet. Partly because we have no idea what the Yanks (or Canadians, or Mexicans, or Haitians.... etc.) plans are for the club, but also the prospect of emulating the success of Alkmaar/Brentford held a lot of appeal to me. Will they emulate what is happening at Ipswich and Wrexham? Or will they see the assets of the club, strip it of whatever value it has and liquidate? Or something in between? Fuck knows. Things needed to change. DH had taken the club as far as he could. Whether this one is a good deal or not, time will tell. |
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Post by York Terrier on Mar 24, 2023 11:36:17 GMT 1
He is rightly getting praise for selling to the Americans and writing off the debt. But let's not forgot this deal only been done because EFL blocked the Dutch deal. But well done dean for doing best for the club In my opinion he has always done his best for the club,OK Dean and the club got things wrong in the Premier League but we have had some of the best times I have ever had supporting Town since 1962 Winning the Playoff Final Beating Man United Watford away ( Last Christmas for those who went) Man City away and that night at Stamford Bridge. Thank you Dean you gave me memories I will never forget. |
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Post by ram on Mar 24, 2023 12:30:24 GMT 1
I shook his hand at a game in 2008,I will shake it again should we ever meet again.
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Post by yappledapple on May 18, 2023 21:39:24 GMT 1
This goes some way in explaining the predicament we found ourselves in and the closeness we came to going into administration…
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Post by leroy212 on May 18, 2023 21:48:34 GMT 1
Tactical administration then as some people were saying.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 18, 2023 23:38:08 GMT 1
Sounds like something we had to threaten to do.. and mean it,... to get some kind of resolution to happen.
Hopefully it will all come out at some point.
Think Dean Hoyle writing his memoirs about both his times as town owner would be a brilliant read
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Post by thomo on May 19, 2023 6:35:27 GMT 1
We won't mention the fact the sale of the shares to Hodgkinson caused the issues he refers to. That deal still stinks to me and I genuinely believe it was concocted only to serve the needs of Dean Hoyle and not give the club the best chance of progression.
With parachute monies we had the best chance to spend beyond our club's natural income (FFP) and secure a return to the premier league. Burnley and sheffield have shown this season what can be done if a club has real ambition to return to the top tier. Sadly that golden opportunity was taken from us by THAT deal to sell to a person who quite clearly didn't have the funds to run a club at championship level.
DH can cry all he wants about it. His hand has been forced to write off the debts. If only his bitterness had subsided and he'd done that 3 years ago to attract investment back then, then we might have a genuine DH legacy to talk about.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 8:28:00 GMT 1
We won't mention the fact the sale of the shares to Hodgkinson caused the issues he refers to. That deal still stinks to me and I genuinely believe it was concocted only to serve the needs of Dean Hoyle and not give the club the best chance of progression. With parachute monies we had the best chance to spend beyond our club's natural income (FFP) and secure a return to the premier league. Burnley and sheffield have shown this season what can be done if a club has real ambition to return to the top tier. Sadly that golden opportunity was taken from us by THAT deal to sell to a person who quite clearly didn't have the funds to run a club at championship level. DH can cry all he wants about it. His hand has been forced to write off the debts. If only his bitterness had subsided and he'd done that 3 years ago to attract investment back then, then we might have a genuine DH legacy to talk about. Stick a sock in it pal, we need to look forward not keep harking back. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 8:29:09 GMT 1
We won't mention the fact the sale of the shares to Hodgkinson caused the issues he refers to. That deal still stinks to me and I genuinely believe it was concocted only to serve the needs of Dean Hoyle and not give the club the best chance of progression. With parachute monies we had the best chance to spend beyond our club's natural income (FFP) and secure a return to the premier league. Burnley and sheffield have shown this season what can be done if a club has real ambition to return to the top tier. Sadly that golden opportunity was taken from us by THAT deal to sell to a person who quite clearly didn't have the funds to run a club at championship level. DH can cry all he wants about it. His hand has been forced to write off the debts. If only his bitterness had subsided and he'd done that 3 years ago to attract investment back then, then we might have a genuine DH legacy to talk about. I don't think any of us can understand the place Dean Hoyle was when he asked Hodgkinson to take over the club. It's so easy to criticise but without walking in Dean's shoes at that time none of us have a clue. Trying to manage that huge responsibility whilst battling for your life, and that is what severe pancreatitis does, must have been such an awful place to be. Cut the man some slack. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on May 19, 2023 8:54:53 GMT 1
We won't mention the fact the sale of the shares to Hodgkinson caused the issues he refers to. That deal still stinks to me and I genuinely believe it was concocted only to serve the needs of Dean Hoyle and not give the club the best chance of progression. With parachute monies we had the best chance to spend beyond our club's natural income (FFP) and secure a return to the premier league. Burnley and sheffield have shown this season what can be done if a club has real ambition to return to the top tier. Sadly that golden opportunity was taken from us by THAT deal to sell to a person who quite clearly didn't have the funds to run a club at championship level. DH can cry all he wants about it. His hand has been forced to write off the debts. If only his bitterness had subsided and he'd done that 3 years ago to attract investment back then, then we might have a genuine DH legacy to talk about. Gosh! How hard hearted. Who's the bitter one? God forbid you ever be in hospital for weeks fighting for your life |
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Post by detox on May 19, 2023 9:10:53 GMT 1
It's interesting to see the Polar opposites fighting it out again..but guys, this is a forum...there are alternative views and opinions,not everybody feels or thinks the same way so let's stop the 'holier than thou' stuff eh, the 'put a sock in it'...everyone is entitled to an opinion but coming over in the way some of you are is a bit cringeworthy tbh. yeah, you disagree with someone, well argue the points, don't give us this judgemental clap trap.
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Post by townarentbest on May 19, 2023 9:16:23 GMT 1
Tactical administration then as some people were saying. Yup, so to be clear, is he basically saying... "Couldn't sell the club as didn't own the shares ( and presumably that temporary power of attorney he had in order to take control as a minority shareholder had expired or was limited) ...the previous owner wouldn't handover the shares ( for nothing/nominal fee - with Dean justifying this as being good value for them since he'd been funding the club ongoing and the club had zero value without his input - but presumably with that owner either banking on some magical promotion this season just gone OR to broker a deal himself (but with Dean able to block any realistic chance of that as any deal he wasn't involved in, he would be able to insist on repayment of his outstanding debt in full)), so he had to leverage the power of being the major creditor of the club by threatening administration, and being prepared to write off the vast majority of his investment in the process, to force the sale of the club...and the reality of that move forced the previous owner to accept whatever deal Dean had on the table, as if the club went into admin they wouldn't be in a position to benefit from any onward sale anyway" ? ? (and I think if you look at the latest filed accounts of GWECO 511 Ltd ( find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/07681895/filing-history ) you can see some familiar numbers which give context to the huge amount that is being burned here) |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 19, 2023 9:41:36 GMT 1
We won't mention the fact the sale of the shares to Hodgkinson caused the issues he refers to. That deal still stinks to me and I genuinely believe it was concocted only to serve the needs of Dean Hoyle and not give the club the best chance of progression. With parachute monies we had the best chance to spend beyond our club's natural income (FFP) and secure a return to the premier league. Burnley and sheffield have shown this season what can be done if a club has real ambition to return to the top tier. Sadly that golden opportunity was taken from us by THAT deal to sell to a person who quite clearly didn't have the funds to run a club at championship level. DH can cry all he wants about it. His hand has been forced to write off the debts. If only his bitterness had subsided and he'd done that 3 years ago to attract investment back then, then we might have a genuine DH legacy to talk about. Burnley sold almost ALL their saleable assets last summer. Collins to wolves for £24m Cornet to West Ham for £20m McNeil to Everton for £17m Pope to Newcastle for £11m They let Tarkowski and Mee leave. Loaned out Weghorst to Man Utd The only particularly big signing they made was Lyle Foster for £11m from a club in Belgium Ive never heard of. If by 'ambition' you mean making very good decisions whilst spending a fraction of what you make in sales, then yes they showed great ambition. Judging by the tantrums because we sold LOB and Tofollo I dont think some on here would have seen that as 'ambition' when we were doing it though! So yes, we should have shown 'more ambition' by simply making better decisions.. why didnt we think of doing that!? As for Sheff Utd Ive read that had they not gone up this season they would have been a complete financial car crash which would have inevitably lead to sanctions by the FA and relegation. They were under a transfer embargo this season because they couldn't keep up payments on players they'd signed. If you think theres no genuine Dean Hoyle legacy then you should think about what this club was like in 2008 compared to now! |
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Post by ambryboy on May 19, 2023 9:46:36 GMT 1
There is an old joke that the two happiest days in a boat owner's life are the day you buy the boat, and the day you sell the boat. I suspect the same also applies to football club ownership.
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Post by thomo on May 19, 2023 9:47:59 GMT 1
We won't mention the fact the sale of the shares to Hodgkinson caused the issues he refers to. That deal still stinks to me and I genuinely believe it was concocted only to serve the needs of Dean Hoyle and not give the club the best chance of progression. With parachute monies we had the best chance to spend beyond our club's natural income (FFP) and secure a return to the premier league. Burnley and sheffield have shown this season what can be done if a club has real ambition to return to the top tier. Sadly that golden opportunity was taken from us by THAT deal to sell to a person who quite clearly didn't have the funds to run a club at championship level. DH can cry all he wants about it. His hand has been forced to write off the debts. If only his bitterness had subsided and he'd done that 3 years ago to attract investment back then, then we might have a genuine DH legacy to talk about. I don't think any of us can understand the place Dean Hoyle was when he asked Hodgkinson to take over the club. It's so easy to criticise but without walking in Dean's shoes at that time none of us have a clue. Trying to manage that huge responsibility whilst battling for your life, and that is what severe pancreatitis does, must have been such an awful place to be. Cut the man some slack. I wish the man no ill personally but he seems happy to blame everyone but himself. We could also point to the absolute pigs ear he made with premier league incomes, no plan, no competent DOF. Really believe he was hoping he could get all his money back and in doing so has hamstrung the club for the last 4 years. I'm just not going to go along with DH love in that's been growing in recent weeks. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 9:58:33 GMT 1
I'll be glad when the takeover is complete and we can all start blaming Kev for everything. Having more than one scapegoat is confusing.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 10:03:41 GMT 1
I don't think any of us can understand the place Dean Hoyle was when he asked Hodgkinson to take over the club. It's so easy to criticise but without walking in Dean's shoes at that time none of us have a clue. Trying to manage that huge responsibility whilst battling for your life, and that is what severe pancreatitis does, must have been such an awful place to be. Cut the man some slack. I wish the man no ill personally but he seems happy to blame everyone but himself. We could also point to the absolute pigs ear he made with premier league incomes, no plan, no competent DOF. Really believe he was hoping he could get all his money back and in doing so has hamstrung the club for the last 4 years. I'm just not going to go along with DH love in that's been growing in recent weeks. Surely making a better job of it and staying up longer would have given him more chance of that of getting a return on his investment? I don't think any of us expected Wagner to get us promoted and the club had very little time to prepare after the playoff final. Poor decisions were made but I don't think that was penny pinching to get his investment back. To me that doesn't make good business sense. There seem to be two camps here regardinging Hoyle's legacy. I think running a football club is damned hard. Long hours, difficult, and expensive, decisions for no pay and constantly having to put your hand in your pocket. Adoration when it goes well and brickbats when is doesn't. I think everyone agrees it is time for a change but very few owners get away with no criticism through their tenure, and I'm sure Kevin will be the same. |
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Post by huddersfc on May 19, 2023 10:08:34 GMT 1
I don't think any of us can understand the place Dean Hoyle was when he asked Hodgkinson to take over the club. It's so easy to criticise but without walking in Dean's shoes at that time none of us have a clue. Trying to manage that huge responsibility whilst battling for your life, and that is what severe pancreatitis does, must have been such an awful place to be. Cut the man some slack. I wish the man no ill personally but he seems happy to blame everyone but himself. We could also point to the absolute pigs ear he made with premier league incomes, no plan, no competent DOF. Really believe he was hoping he could get all his money back and in doing so has hamstrung the club for the last 4 years. I'm just not going to go along with DH love in that's been growing in recent weeks. I would tend to agree about his portioning out blame, when for the majority of his tenure he was in full control, and has made some shocking decisions along with some good decisions too. I dont like these one way interviews that get put out, especially after that pathetic one where he was interviewed by some kid (Norwich fan possibly), where others cant or dont have the opportunity to put their view across. Some of the shambolic decisions around promotion to the Premier League and the Premier League era still leave a bitter taste, and have resulted in mainly fighting relegation every season (bar one), when if done and planned properly could have put us a fantastic footing to push on, and stop us being the club always looking over our shoulder at the bottom 3. It is just nice to have a fresh start to look forward to and see where it takes us to. |
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