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Post by rockwall on Apr 23, 2023 20:10:23 GMT 1
Surprised how many people think town have done the wrong thing in complaining about this. Also surprised how many (incorrectly) saying town did the same thing a few years ago. I would imagine Neil himself is non too pleased at Burnley gifting points to our rivals and maybe that explains why the club have grown a pair after meekly accepting being robbed of promotion last May. Wolves away. Ward Cranie Hefele Schindler Lowe Hogg Mooy VLP Brown Scannell Wells Birmingham away the next game Coleman Smith Hudson Cranie THD Billing Whitehead Lolley Bunn Payne Quaner That is 10 changes to allow Birminghan to win 2-0 and keep them up. But no, we are all incorrect and didn't do the same as Burnley....... |
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Post by royrace on Apr 23, 2023 20:12:19 GMT 1
Surprised how many people think town have done the wrong thing in complaining about this. Also surprised how many (incorrectly) saying town did the same thing a few years ago. I would imagine Neil himself is non too pleased at Burnley gifting points to our rivals and maybe that explains why the club have grown a pair after meekly accepting being robbed of promotion last May. But we did do the same thing a few years ago... In order to win promotion to the premier League, not to fook about treating games like friendlies because we'd already achieved our objective. Huge difference. Even if we did do the same what's it got to do with the here and how? Nothing. |
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 23, 2023 20:14:26 GMT 1
Surprised how many people think town have done the wrong thing in complaining about this. Also surprised how many (incorrectly) saying town did the same thing a few years ago. I would imagine Neil himself is non too pleased at Burnley gifting points to our rivals and maybe that explains why the club have grown a pair after meekly accepting being robbed of promotion last May. Wolves away. Ward Cranie Hefele Schindler Lowe Hogg Mooy VLP Brown Scannell Wells Birmingham away the next game Coleman Smith Hudson Cranie THD Billing Whitehead Lolley Bunn Payne Quaner That is 10 changes to allow Birminghan to win 2-0 and keep them up. But no, we are all incorrect and didn't do the same as Burnley....... We weren’t promoted though |
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Post by crux on Apr 23, 2023 20:15:30 GMT 1
Surprised how many people think town have done the wrong thing in complaining about this. Also surprised how many (incorrectly) saying town did the same thing a few years ago. I would imagine Neil himself is non too pleased at Burnley gifting points to our rivals and maybe that explains why the club have grown a pair after meekly accepting being robbed of promotion last May. Wolves away. Ward Cranie Hefele Schindler Lowe Hogg Mooy VLP Brown Scannell Wells Birmingham away the next game Coleman Smith Hudson Cranie THD Billing Whitehead Lolley Bunn Payne Quaner That is 10 changes to allow Birminghan to win 2-0 and keep them up. But no, we are all incorrect and didn't do the same as Burnley....... The irony is that the rule that was brought in after us fielding a 'weakened' team would have still allowed us to field the same team anyway. There were very few changes (3??) to the match day squad, just all the subs came into the team and the players they replaced went onto the bench. |
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Apr 23, 2023 20:16:56 GMT 1
But we did do the same thing a few years ago... In order to win promotion to the premier League, not to fook about treating games like friendlies because we'd already achieved our objective. Huge difference. Even if we did do the same what's it got to do with the here and how? Nothing. It's very hypocritical, if in fact we have lodged a complaint. The Football League felt so strongly about what we did that they introduced a rule to prevent it from happening again. A rule which Burnley have not broken. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 23, 2023 20:19:34 GMT 1
Wolves away. Ward Cranie Hefele Schindler Lowe Hogg Mooy VLP Brown Scannell Wells Birmingham away the next game Coleman Smith Hudson Cranie THD Billing Whitehead Lolley Bunn Payne Quaner That is 10 changes to allow Birminghan to win 2-0 and keep them up. But no, we are all incorrect and didn't do the same as Burnley....... We weren’t promoted though What difference does that make? We openly said we wanted to avoid Fulham. And it also affected teams at the bottom with Birmingham. Anyone complaining about Burnley needs to grow up to be honest. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 23, 2023 20:22:53 GMT 1
Wolves away. Ward Cranie Hefele Schindler Lowe Hogg Mooy VLP Brown Scannell Wells Birmingham away the next game Coleman Smith Hudson Cranie THD Billing Whitehead Lolley Bunn Payne Quaner That is 10 changes to allow Birminghan to win 2-0 and keep them up. But no, we are all incorrect and didn't do the same as Burnley....... The irony is that the rule that was brought in after us fielding a 'weakened' team would have still allowed us to field the same team anyway. There were very few changes (3??) to the match day squad, just all the subs came into the team and the players they replaced went onto the bench. 4 changes to the match day squad. Smith Lolley Payne Booty |
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 23, 2023 20:26:37 GMT 1
The irony is that the rule that was brought in after us fielding a 'weakened' team would have still allowed us to field the same team anyway. There were very few changes (3??) to the match day squad, just all the subs came into the team and the players they replaced went onto the bench. 4 changes to the match day squad. Smith Lolley Payne Booty 4 changes isn’t “massively weakened is it? Who is the arbiter of squad quality? I think the club are right to complain, it’s exactly the same, in fact it’s worse because they’re already promoted. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 23, 2023 20:26:49 GMT 1
But we did do the same thing a few years ago... In order to win promotion to the premier League, not to fook about treating games like friendlies because we'd already achieved our objective. Huge difference. Even if we did do the same what's it got to do with the here and how? Nothing. In the case you state, that's even worse from us. Once an objective is complete, you can do whatever you want. Just like teams that are relegated before game 46, you tend to see a few young lads getting games etc... is that not okay to do? You are just sounding like a sore loser and need to accept that it is in our hands to lose and if we go down, we are to blame nothing else. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 23, 2023 20:27:41 GMT 1
In order to win promotion to the premier League, not to fook about treating games like friendlies because we'd already achieved our objective. Huge difference. Even if we did do the same what's it got to do with the here and how? Nothing. It's very hypocritical, if in fact we have lodged a complaint. The Football League felt so strongly about what we did that they introduced a rule to prevent it from happening again. A rule which Burnley have not broken. At the risk of repeating myself we did it to protect the squad for the play offs in order to win them, may have even been to avoid Fulham but not sure Wagner was that ballsy. So we did it in order to win the competition we were competing in. Burnley are doing it because they’re home and hosed presumably and fancy having a look at some other players, like it were a friendly. But regardless, this is 6 years later, different coach, dof, players. Does it mean we aren’t allowed to complain because we did something a bit similar six years ago?! If we aren’t is there a time limit or will HTAFC be forever destined to not be allowed to complain about teams disrespecting the competition because we once upon a time did something similar?! Sorry but that’s just daft. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 23, 2023 20:28:35 GMT 1
4 changes to the match day squad. Smith Lolley Payne Booty 4 changes isn’t “massively weakened is it? Who is the arbiter of squad quality? I think the club are right to complain, it’s exactly the same, in fact it’s worse because they’re already promoted. The changes we did are worse than Burnley. By complaining it is embarrassing. I also do not fathom how it is worse because they are already promoted. They have nothing to lose bar 3 freak results to lose champions status. If there is a time to play other players it is now. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 23, 2023 20:30:01 GMT 1
In order to win promotion to the premier League, not to fook about treating games like friendlies because we'd already achieved our objective. Huge difference. Even if we did do the same what's it got to do with the here and how? Nothing. In the case you state, that's even worse from us. Once an objective is complete, you can do whatever you want. Just like teams that are relegated before game 46, you tend to see a few young lads getting games etc... is that not okay to do? You are just sounding like a sore loser and need to accept that it is in our hands to lose and if we go down, we are to blame nothing else. How is it even worse?! None of what you are saying makes any sense, let’s agree to disagree  |
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 23, 2023 20:31:26 GMT 1
4 changes isn’t “massively weakened is it? Who is the arbiter of squad quality? I think the club are right to complain, it’s exactly the same, in fact it’s worse because they’re already promoted. The changes we did are worse than Burnley. By complaining it is embarrassing. I also do not fathom how it is worse because they are already promoted. They have nothing to lose bar 3 freak results to lose champions status. If there is a time to play other players it is now. Don’t agree, sorry |
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Post by turbo2 on Apr 23, 2023 20:39:37 GMT 1
But we did do the same thing a few years ago... In order to win promotion to the premier League, not to fook about treating games like friendlies because we'd already achieved our objective. Huge difference. Even if we did do the same what's it got to do with the here and how? Nothing. Blackburn got relegated because we played our second team. Ffs. The EFL then introduced a rule that we then hadn’t actually broken. End of the day it’s a squad game and you should be able to play anyone in the squad |
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 23, 2023 20:49:45 GMT 1
4 changes isn’t “massively weakened is it? Who is the arbiter of squad quality? I think the club are right to complain, it’s exactly the same, in fact it’s worse because they’re already promoted. The changes we did are worse than Burnley. By complaining it is embarrassing. I also do not fathom how it is worse because they are already promoted. They have nothing to lose bar 3 freak results to lose champions status. If there is a time to play other players it is now. So effectively if you’ve got enough money you can piss the league and then play judge and jury on what else happens in the division? You should be trying to win games whatever, you discredit the competition by not doing so. We had our hands slapped, and whether you agree with that or not, anyone else doing the same needs the same treatment. |
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Post by space hardware on Apr 23, 2023 21:17:50 GMT 1
In order to win promotion to the premier League, not to fook about treating games like friendlies because we'd already achieved our objective. Huge difference. Even if we did do the same what's it got to do with the here and how? Nothing. Blackburn got relegated because we played our second team. Ffs. The EFL then introduced a rule that we then hadn’t actually broken. End of the day it’s a squad game and you should be able to play anyone in the squad Nail on head |
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Post by irverino on Apr 23, 2023 21:48:24 GMT 1
The thing is once a footballer knows his job is done ie; getting promoted or avoiding the drop its very hard for him to go out & play hell for leather knowing he could get injured with his jolly's booked (hence, on the beach)......you just watch Town if we are safe before Reading game & they need to win to stay up.
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Post by royalflush on Apr 23, 2023 22:06:18 GMT 1
Surprised how many people think town have done the wrong thing in complaining about this. Also surprised how many (incorrectly) saying town did the same thing a few years ago. I would imagine Neil himself is non too pleased at Burnley gifting points to our rivals and maybe that explains why the club have grown a pair after meekly accepting being robbed of promotion last May. But we did do the same thing a few years ago... No we didn't. We rested key players for an imminent play off campaign. What are Burnley resting players for? August? |
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Post by 28901 on Apr 23, 2023 22:19:05 GMT 1
Surprised how many people think town have done the wrong thing in complaining about this. Also surprised how many (incorrectly) saying town did the same thing a few years ago. I would imagine Neil himself is non too pleased at Burnley gifting points to our rivals and maybe that explains why the club have grown a pair after meekly accepting being robbed of promotion last May. Wolves away. Ward Cranie Hefele Schindler Lowe Hogg Mooy VLP Brown Scannell Wells Birmingham away the next game Coleman Smith Hudson Cranie THD Billing Whitehead Lolley Bunn Payne Quaner That is 10 changes to allow Birminghan to win 2-0 and keep them up. But no, we are all incorrect and didn't do the same as Burnley....... They were all squad players. As long you dont start bringing in juniors and academy players then who decides which is the best eleven? |
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Post by townarentbest on Apr 23, 2023 23:00:52 GMT 1
Surprised how many people think town have done the wrong thing in complaining about this. Also surprised how many (incorrectly) saying town did the same thing a few years ago. I would imagine Neil himself is non too pleased at Burnley gifting points to our rivals and maybe that explains why the club have grown a pair after meekly accepting being robbed of promotion last May. I’m surprised how many people think Town have done the right thing! Burnley selected a squad that meets the rules that were put in place to prevent weakened teams, there’s NOTHING to address. it’s a bit like complaining that a team named a starting XI. Pointless. |
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Post by ritchie on Apr 23, 2023 23:25:45 GMT 1
Can only blame yourself for where you are at this stage
If burnley rotated in january and lost nobody would remember but it would still be 3 points. think us moaning creates a precedent
We shouldnt have been so pisspoorly managed for 8 months
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 24, 2023 0:20:54 GMT 1
Burnley might not be saving players for the play offs like we were when we did something very similar, but they'll have their own interests in mind in the same way.
They might be thinking about who to keep or not,, giving young players 1st team gametime for their development...whatever.
We didn't give a shit about blackburn when we did and how unfair it was on them, so dont think weve got any room to moan if this seems unfair on us now.
And none of us would have cared less how unfair it might be on Reading or Cardiff if Sheff Utd make a load of changes week after next once they've secured 2nd place.
Its a bit embarrassing really IMO.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Apr 24, 2023 6:43:13 GMT 1
Completely inconsequential, if they are found to be in breach of any rules it'll be a fine at most.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 24, 2023 7:10:36 GMT 1
Burnley might not be saving players for the play offs like we were when we did something very similar, but they'll have their own interests in mind in the same way. They might be thinking about who to keep or not,, giving young players 1st team gametime for their development...whatever. We didn't give a shit about blackburn when we did and how unfair it was on them, so dont think weve got any room to moan if this seems unfair on us now. And none of us would have cared less how unfair it might be on Reading or Cardiff if Sheff Utd make a load of changes week after next once they've secured 2nd place. Its a bit embarrassing really IMO. What would their interests be, not winning the title? I'm not really bothered that Burnley changed their starting 11 around but it actually seems bizarre when the title was still at stake, if only mathematically. There is no real, justifiable reason for Burnley to change their starting 11 around so dramatically when they still need to plough on for the title. I find it hard to believe that a team with such an excellent record this season would not beat either Reading, Rotherham or QPR under normal circumstances, they have to all intents and purposes taken their foot off the gas. Town still should win their game despite what team Burnley out out. Personally I think this complaint has come from Warnock trying to stir it up a bit and not the club per se. |
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Post by softboy on Apr 24, 2023 7:16:38 GMT 1
I’m still trying to get me head around what rule Burnley may have actually broken? As for the game itself Burnley had 80# possession, created chance after chance and but for poor finishing and heroic defending by QPR would have won comfortably. I didn’t see any lack of interest from Burnley in the highlights. Perhaps those who went to the game could tell me differently!
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Post by turbo2 on Apr 24, 2023 7:37:35 GMT 1
Burnley might not be saving players for the play offs like we were when we did something very similar, but they'll have their own interests in mind in the same way. They might be thinking about who to keep or not,, giving young players 1st team gametime for their development...whatever. We didn't give a shit about blackburn when we did and how unfair it was on them, so dont think weve got any room to moan if this seems unfair on us now. And none of us would have cared less how unfair it might be on Reading or Cardiff if Sheff Utd make a load of changes week after next once they've secured 2nd place. Its a bit embarrassing really IMO. What would their interests be, not winning the title? I'm not really bothered that Burnley changed their starting 11 around but it actually seems bizarre when the title was still at stake, if only mathematically. There is no real, justifiable reason for Burnley to change their starting 11 around so dramatically when they still need to plough on for the title. I find it hard to believe that a team with such an excellent record this season would not beat either Reading, Rotherham or QPR under normal circumstances, they have to all intents and purposes taken their foot off the gas. Town still should win their game despite what team Burnley out out. Personally I think this complaint has come from Warnock trying to stir it up a bit and not the club per se. They are promoted to the PL. perhaps wondering if some of their fringe players will mean they don’t have to spunk millions on players? Or there are deals in place for some of their current first team who they don’t think are good enough but don’t want them injured to affect a sale. Anyway it got chuff all to do with us |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Apr 24, 2023 7:49:10 GMT 1
I’m still trying to get me head around what rule Burnley may have actually broken? As for the game itself Burnley had 80# possession, created chance after chance and but for poor finishing and heroic defending by QPR would have won comfortably. I didn’t see any lack of interest from Burnley in the highlights. Perhaps those who went to the game could tell me differently! I’m not surprised you can’t get your head around the rule Burnley may have broken against QPR because that isn’t the game and line up in question  It’s the one where they played Reading. However as multiple posters have pointed out they probably haven’t breached the rules anyway as it relates to the match day SQUAD and not starting eleven. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 24, 2023 8:48:24 GMT 1
Burnley might not be saving players for the play offs like we were when we did something very similar, but they'll have their own interests in mind in the same way. They might be thinking about who to keep or not,, giving young players 1st team gametime for their development...whatever. We didn't give a shit about blackburn when we did and how unfair it was on them, so dont think weve got any room to moan if this seems unfair on us now. And none of us would have cared less how unfair it might be on Reading or Cardiff if Sheff Utd make a load of changes week after next once they've secured 2nd place. Its a bit embarrassing really IMO. What would their interests be, not winning the title? I'm not really bothered that Burnley changed their starting 11 around but it actually seems bizarre when the title was still at stake, if only mathematically. There is no real, justifiable reason for Burnley to change their starting 11 around so dramatically when they still need to plough on for the title. I find it hard to believe that a team with such an excellent record this season would not beat either Reading, Rotherham or QPR under normal circumstances, they have to all intents and purposes taken their foot off the gas. Town still should win their game despite what team Burnley out out. Personally I think this complaint has come from Warnock trying to stir it up a bit and not the club per se. Titles not really at stake though is it. Still mathematically possible they could finish 2nd but realistically they've got it in the bag. Dont know about the Reading and Rotherham games, but the QPR one last weekend was just freakish despite any team changes. Was listening to the talk sport coverage and the reporter there couldn't believe it was 0-0 at half time. The stats were ridiculous,, something like 90% possession, 25 shots to 2.. that kind of dominance. Id be surprised if warnock hasnt done similar things in the past when it comes to team changes at the end of seasons. |
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Post by dsr on Apr 24, 2023 9:43:46 GMT 1
Just so the actual facts can be discussed:
1. Harwood-Bellis was replaced by Al-Dakeel because H-B has been out for months and isn't yet back full-time.
2. Zaroury was replaced by Benson because Benson is a first team player who has been out injured and was coming back into the squad.
3. Maatsen was replaced by Taylor who has 133 PL appearances at left back.
4. Murik was replaced by Peacock-Farrell but he was goalkeeper and we drew 0-0 so it can't be said to be his fault.
5. The two that you might have reason to complain about are Foster and Twine, who for various reasons haven't done all that well or had a run in the side even though they are the two most expensive signings of the year. They wee put in to get experience/practice/so the manager could have a look at them. They're the ones to complain about if you must.
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Post by townarentbest on Apr 24, 2023 10:08:46 GMT 1
I’m still trying to get me head around what rule Burnley may have actually broken? As for the game itself Burnley had 80# possession, created chance after chance and but for poor finishing and heroic defending by QPR would have won comfortably. I didn’t see any lack of interest from Burnley in the highlights. Perhaps those who went to the game could tell me differently! THEY HAVENT broken any rule. The regulations are very clear about squads at the end of the season, they've met (and exceeded) the requirements of that regulation. What is concerning is that someone in Hudds Town who has the power and position to raise issues with the EFL apparently doesn't understand the regulations. That can't be right surely?? |
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