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Post by ben1987 on Apr 24, 2023 10:15:50 GMT 1
Burnley might not be saving players for the play offs like we were when we did something very similar, but they'll have their own interests in mind in the same way. They might be thinking about who to keep or not,, giving young players 1st team gametime for their development...whatever. We didn't give a shit about blackburn when we did and how unfair it was on them, so dont think weve got any room to moan if this seems unfair on us now. And none of us would have cared less how unfair it might be on Reading or Cardiff if Sheff Utd make a load of changes week after next once they've secured 2nd place. Its a bit embarrassing really IMO. FINALLY something we can agree on, Captain. How does it feel knowing you’re finally right on something mate?
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Post by mooythegoat on Apr 24, 2023 10:22:13 GMT 1
Teams can do what they want, but as champions its absolutely embarrassing they have dropped points against QPR, Rotherham and Reading. When teams are resting players for the playoffs that's understandable they have bigger things ahead. Champions should be proud of their achievement and want to continue to win to prove how good they are.
It's laughable particularly when you consider all this media hype about how good they are and how good Kompany is (who in my opinion hasn't achieved anything special when you look at their squad).
Yes we should only be concerned about our own results, you keep yourself up and shouldn't be depending on others. But I expect the champions to do and be better.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 24, 2023 10:26:43 GMT 1
Burnley might not be saving players for the play offs like we were when we did something very similar, but they'll have their own interests in mind in the same way. They might be thinking about who to keep or not,, giving young players 1st team gametime for their development...whatever. We didn't give a shit about blackburn when we did and how unfair it was on them, so dont think weve got any room to moan if this seems unfair on us now. And none of us would have cared less how unfair it might be on Reading or Cardiff if Sheff Utd make a load of changes week after next once they've secured 2nd place. Its a bit embarrassing really IMO. FINALLY something we can agree on, Captain. How does it feel knowing you’re finally right on something mate? Im thinking I must have got this totally wrong now!
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Post by ben1987 on Apr 24, 2023 10:27:53 GMT 1
FINALLY something we can agree on, Captain. How does it feel knowing you’re finally right on something mate? Im thinking I must have got this totally wrong now! Back to your old self again I see 🙃
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Post by bluesandtwos on Apr 24, 2023 10:30:59 GMT 1
If we get relegated it won’t be because of Burnley. Our antics when we drew with Barnsley, who if I remember correctly, fielded a weakened team at Portsmouth when we got relegated losing to Birmingham, don’t give us much moral high ground.
Our problems are self inflicted and if we do stay up those are the lessons we need to take on board, not moaning about others.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 24, 2023 10:31:15 GMT 1
Teams can do what they want, but as champions its absolutely embarrassing they have dropped points against QPR, Rotherham and Reading. When teams are resting players for the playoffs that's understandable they have bigger things ahead. Champions should be proud of their achievement and want to continue to win to prove how good they are. It's laughable particularly when you consider all this media hype about how good they are and how good Kompany is (who in my opinion hasn't achieved anything special when you look at their squad). Yes we should only be concerned about our own results, you keep yourself up and shouldn't be depending on others. But I expect the champions to do and be better. Its largely down to freakishness that they didnt win those games though. They were still pretty dominant in them. Think youre being harsh on Kompany there . Didnt he make huge changes to their squad and bringing together all those new signings totally change the style in which burnley play.. winning the division at a canter? I struggle to see any argument that he hasnt done a pretty fantastic job there since taking over.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 24, 2023 10:38:18 GMT 1
Teams can do what they want, but as champions its absolutely embarrassing they have dropped points against QPR, Rotherham and Reading. When teams are resting players for the playoffs that's understandable they have bigger things ahead. Champions should be proud of their achievement and want to continue to win to prove how good they are. It's laughable particularly when you consider all this media hype about how good they are and how good Kompany is (who in my opinion hasn't achieved anything special when you look at their squad). Yes we should only be concerned about our own results, you keep yourself up and shouldn't be depending on others. But I expect the champions to do and be better. Its largely down to freakishness that they didnt win those games though. They were still pretty dominant in them. Think youre being harsh on Kompany there . Didnt he make huge changes to their squad and bringing together all those new signings totally change the style in which burnley play.. winning the division at a canter? I struggle to see any argument that he hasnt done a pretty fantastic job there since taking over. Burnley dominated Sunderland with a full team, drew 0 0. These games happen to the best teams, its Burnleys poor run in a 46 game season, it just happens it does not suit us. We went to Burnley before promotion and gave them 3 points. I suspect Sheff Utd were 'disappointed' in our approach??
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Post by ritchie on Apr 24, 2023 10:38:33 GMT 1
Just so the actual facts can be discussed: 1. Harwood-Bellis was replaced by Al-Dakeel because H-B has been out for months and isn't yet back full-time. 2. Zaroury was replaced by Benson because Benson is a first team player who has been out injured and was coming back into the squad. 3. Maatsen was replaced by Taylor who has 133 PL appearances at left back. 4. Murik was replaced by Peacock-Farrell but he was goalkeeper and we drew 0-0 so it can't be said to be his fault. 5. The two that you might have reason to complain about are Foster and Twine, who for various reasons haven't done all that well or had a run in the side even though they are the two most expensive signings of the year. They wee put in to get experience/practice/so the manager could have a look at them. They're the ones to complain about if you must. to be fair not many folk are??
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Post by goodbet on Apr 24, 2023 10:58:41 GMT 1
Can only blame yourself for where you are at this stage If burnley rotated in january and lost nobody would remember but it would still be 3 points. think us moaning creates a precedent We shouldnt have been so pisspoorly managed for 8 months We have been piss poorly coached for 8 months but managed piss poorly for a lot longer.
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Post by +Transformed+ on Apr 24, 2023 11:11:06 GMT 1
I don't know the full facts about a "query" made by Town about Burnley's teaam selection, but it's shocking publicity for us - in the eyes of the great British sporting public, we are now seen as a club of whingers. It's unfair of course, but instant conclusions are made. Best to have kept quiet, and done our talking on the pitch. We've hardly been blameless in the past, and that makes it worse.
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Post by westislandterrier on Apr 24, 2023 11:21:36 GMT 1
I don't know the full facts about a "query" made by Town about Burnley's teaam selection, but it's shocking publicity for us - in the eyes of the great British sporting public, we are now seen as a club of whingers. It's unfair of course, but instant conclusions are made.Best to have kept quiet, and done our talking on the pitch. We've hardly been blameless in the past, and that makes it worse. Has nobody in the local or national media had the balls to officially ask HTAFC for clarification or denial about this one way or the other yet... If the club don’t come out and deny it then I’ll take it that they officially did flag things up with the EFL - And that is NOT the wisest decision at this critical juncture for various reasons... But this season there has been a HELLUVA LOT of Not wise decisions (the Neil Warnock appointment apart) !
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Post by irverino on Apr 24, 2023 11:29:49 GMT 1
Alan Nixon of the Sun broke this on Saturday evening & probably where the beeb picked up the storey from, not a word from EFL or Town confirming/denying the complaint.......Some of the Burnley fans think it could be ex employee Dave Baldwin who's spoken out?
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 24, 2023 11:38:46 GMT 1
Alan Nixon of the Sun broke this on Saturday evening & probably where the beeb picked up the storey from, not a word from EFL or Town confirming/denying the complaint....... Some of the Burnley fans think it could be ex employee Dave Baldwin who's spoken out?Id imagine they'll be right about that.
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Post by ritchie on Apr 24, 2023 11:40:19 GMT 1
Alan Nixon of the Sun broke this on Saturday evening & probably where the beeb picked up the storey from, not a word from EFL or Town confirming/denying the complaint....... Some of the Burnley fans think it could be ex employee Dave Baldwin who's spoken out?wouldnt have done it without NW's say so - as someone said earlier, think it's Warnock stirring the pot. But with us playing sheff U when we do i'm struggling to see why bringing attention to the matter would benefit us
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Post by mooythegoat on Apr 24, 2023 11:52:37 GMT 1
Teams can do what they want, but as champions its absolutely embarrassing they have dropped points against QPR, Rotherham and Reading. When teams are resting players for the playoffs that's understandable they have bigger things ahead. Champions should be proud of their achievement and want to continue to win to prove how good they are. It's laughable particularly when you consider all this media hype about how good they are and how good Kompany is (who in my opinion hasn't achieved anything special when you look at their squad). Yes we should only be concerned about our own results, you keep yourself up and shouldn't be depending on others. But I expect the champions to do and be better. Its largely down to freakishness that they didnt win those games though. They were still pretty dominant in them. Think youre being harsh on Kompany there . Didnt he make huge changes to their squad and bringing together all those new signings totally change the style in which burnley play.. winning the division at a canter? I struggle to see any argument that he hasnt done a pretty fantastic job there since taking over. Look at the mess we were in keeping relegated players who don't want to be there, look at the mess Watford are in now. Huge talent with Joao Pedro and Sarr but they just aren't interested. A squad refresh is what you need. He's also been able to cherry pick Man City's best youngsters from his mates. He has a lot to prove yet for me.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Apr 24, 2023 11:52:37 GMT 1
I hope this doesn't end up with rules coming in about who managers are allowed to select, I.e. the "strongest" team. I recall years ago when Blackpool got in trouble in the PL about team selection, but their team was all part of the 25 man squad- so on what basis and on whose say-so was it a "weakened" team?
If Burnley had played their u-17 girls centre forward in nets, and their fifth-choice keeper with a broken leg up front there would maybe be a case... but otherwise complaining is at best pointless, at worst it's both tinpot and counterproductive.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 24, 2023 11:52:38 GMT 1
Alan Nixon of the Sun broke this on Saturday evening & probably where the beeb picked up the storey from, not a word from EFL or Town confirming/denying the complaint....... Some of the Burnley fans think it could be ex employee Dave Baldwin who's spoken out?wouldnt have done it without NW's say so - as someone said earlier, think it's Warnock stirring the pot. But with us playing sheff U when we do i'm struggling to see why bringing attention to the matter would benefit us Just cant see it being anything to do with Warnock. Why would he? Theres nothing to gain for him or our team by doing it at all. Possibly the opposite in fact if it encourages Sheff Utd to NOT rest players when they play us. It'll be Baldwin and its maybe not a coincidence its Burnley hes trying to have a dig at.
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Post by irverino on Apr 24, 2023 12:00:12 GMT 1
Neil was waving the white flag days before our visit to Turf Moor & heaping his praises on the Burnley squad at the same time.......More likely to be furious if its come from Town without his knowledge.
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Apr 24, 2023 12:04:46 GMT 1
The whole argument about lineups and resting players is just ridiculous, it's a complete non issue. Anyone should be able to play whoever they like, that's why we have squads. As long as the team is doing it out of their own interests and nobody else's then it's absolutely fine.
If Haaland gets injured for City then is it unfair on those teams that had to play with him in the starting line-up compared to those that didn't? Or is it just the luck of the draw? Surely nothing influences squads more than managers and coaches, some teams got away with playing others at a time when they were managed by the likes of Paul Ince, Steve Bruce and Mark Fecking Fotheringham, it's just how it is, suck it up.
Imagine Birmingham lodging a complaint against us because we'd hired Warnock a few days prior to playing them and he'd changed the starting line-up and the tactics. Sometimes it goes in your favour, others it doesn't.
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Post by ritchie on Apr 24, 2023 12:05:20 GMT 1
wouldnt have done it without NW's say so - as someone said earlier, think it's Warnock stirring the pot. But with us playing sheff U when we do i'm struggling to see why bringing attention to the matter would benefit us Just cant see it being anything to do with Warnock. Why would he? Theres nothing to gain for him or our team by doing it at all. Possibly the opposite in fact if it encourages Sheff Utd to NOT rest players when they play us. It'll be Baldwin and its maybe not a coincidence its Burnley hes trying to have a dig at. Can you imagine how much it would rattle NW if he thought this could affect our chances of 3 points vs Sheff U? Warnock will be making the football decisions (and given theres still games going on this is a football desicion imo), he even said recently baldwin doesnt have to now. No chance on earth (if true) he's not had a say in it. Last thing the club would want is NW getting the hump over board interfering
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 24, 2023 12:06:45 GMT 1
Its largely down to freakishness that they didnt win those games though. They were still pretty dominant in them. Think youre being harsh on Kompany there . Didnt he make huge changes to their squad and bringing together all those new signings totally change the style in which burnley play.. winning the division at a canter? I struggle to see any argument that he hasnt done a pretty fantastic job there since taking over. Look at the mess we were in keeping relegated players who don't want to be there, look at the mess Watford are in now. Huge talent with Joao Pedro and Sarr but they just aren't interested. A squad refresh is what you need. He's also been able to cherry pick Man City's best youngsters from his mates. He has a lot to prove yet for me. They lost loads of their better players when they went down. Pope, Mee, Tarkowski, McNeil, Weghorst, Collins, Cornet..basically all the players who were good enough to stay in the PL left. IMO to rebuild the squad from that, totally change the style of play and be really successful is very impressive. They sold about £65m worth of players last summer and spent about half as much on incomings. Only bought 1 player for more than £4m. They've clearly made a lot of astute decisions in the transfer market.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 24, 2023 12:09:28 GMT 1
wouldnt have done it without NW's say so - as someone said earlier, think it's Warnock stirring the pot. But with us playing sheff U when we do i'm struggling to see why bringing attention to the matter would benefit us Just cant see it being anything to do with Warnock. Why would he? Theres nothing to gain for him or our team by doing it at all. Possibly the opposite in fact if it encourages Sheff Utd to NOT rest players when they play us. It'll be Baldwin and its maybe not a coincidence its Burnley hes trying to have a dig at. The blades will pick a team to suit whatever is best for them. Had they got to a final and secured promotion they would have played a full second team. They are already carrying a few first teamers who will be benched if they get the points before playing us. A mate supports them and they know a few are struggling. I thought city were in relaxed mode the other day and the game got easier not harder as it went on. I expected far more physicality from the blades.? A west/south yorks derby once promotion is secure, is not their or their fans priority. Had it been wendies they were playing it might have more significance, but as my mate said "I would just sing going up all game, even if they arseholed us"..?
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Post by goodbet on Apr 24, 2023 12:11:02 GMT 1
II would have thought that we had more of an issue with the refereeing in the playoff final and the goal that was not given even though it crossed the line rather than someone else's game.
Has someone just woken up?
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 24, 2023 12:12:28 GMT 1
Just cant see it being anything to do with Warnock. Why would he? Theres nothing to gain for him or our team by doing it at all. Possibly the opposite in fact if it encourages Sheff Utd to NOT rest players when they play us. It'll be Baldwin and its maybe not a coincidence its Burnley hes trying to have a dig at. Can you imagine how much it would rattle NW if he thought this could affect our chances of 3 points vs Sheff U? Warnock will be making the football decisions (and given theres still games going on this is a football desicion imo), he even said recently baldwin doesnt have to now. No chance on earth (if true) he's not had a say in it. Last thing the club would want is NW getting the hump over board interfering I doubt they'd care. Warnocks going in 3 games time. He could be as pissed off as he wants about this, it isnt going to effect anything he does in terms of our team or how much he wants us to stay up. He knows hes on the cusp of a great achievement that will be a great boost to his reputation ( and the offers hell get next February to do the same for some other club ) . Not even sure it qualifies as a footballing decision. Its an FA policy and guidelines decision.. the sort of thing CEOs get very interested in.
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Post by detox on Apr 24, 2023 12:49:56 GMT 1
So basically if Cardiff won at Rotherham and NW thinks we cannot catch them but with 2big home games coming up he decides to rest Pearson, Lees, Ward. Etc etc then we would think Reading are fully justified in complaining that we fielded a weakend side to save the players for the Reading game Given the players have had 12 days off, I don't think anyone needs resting tbh.. I'm hoping we play at Cardiff like we did at Sunderland because the sooner we get over the line the better. The last thing we need is to save ourselves for the last game against Reading.
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Post by drumriggend on Apr 24, 2023 12:55:36 GMT 1
Let’s hope there are complaints about sheff Utd..
Who after confirming promotion make 11 changes against us and then roll over and let us tickle their tummy..
Enabling us to clinch safety with a win..
To massive chorus of..
“Yorkshire “
“Yorkshire “
“Yorkshire “
From all 4 stands..
🤣🤣
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Post by detox on Apr 24, 2023 12:59:14 GMT 1
Burnley made several changes for Rotherham and Reading when Town complained. Both games were drawn, Burnley obviously had the complaint passed to them by the EFL and picked a 'full' team against QPR...which they lost.. We should have kept quiet...
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Post by ldotm on Apr 24, 2023 13:28:04 GMT 1
We are accountable for our own success, what teams do is completely up to them.
Pointing fingers because of our own downfall is embarrassing, I’d rather we stay up due to us finally pulling our socks up and grinding out the results we need. Trying to blame others is a key characteristic of a losing mentality.
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Post by royrace on Apr 24, 2023 14:21:52 GMT 1
wouldnt have done it without NW's say so - as someone said earlier, think it's Warnock stirring the pot. But with us playing sheff U when we do i'm struggling to see why bringing attention to the matter would benefit us Just cant see it being anything to do with Warnock. Why would he? Theres nothing to gain for him or our team by doing it at all. Possibly the opposite in fact if it encourages Sheff Utd to NOT rest players when they play us. It'll be Baldwin and its maybe not a coincidence its Burnley hes trying to have a dig at. I'd say its exactly the type of thing Warnock would kick off about, he's a winner and if he thinks having a whinge about it might give us an extra 1% in the battle for survival he'll take it. Could be mind games, publicising the fact Burnley are on the beach, letting teams beat them. Who knows but we've played them twice now, Cardiff I think still have them to play. He was keen to bring up his beef with Wilder prior to the Watford game which I thought may have been a mistake, that may also have been done to try and unsettle, even a tiny amount....fine lines and all that. I personally don't give a fck what other clubs or their fans think about Town complaining (if they did). Priority number one is staying in this division, full stop. All this talk of it being 'embarrassing' is a bit 'embarrassing' IMO. "Oh we shouldn't complain because we did something a little bit like it 6 years ago and people might think we're silly", give over!!
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 24, 2023 14:30:51 GMT 1
We did something 'a little bit like it' about 10 games ago without giving a second thought to any effects it might have on the rivals of our opponents. Now we're bleating on because someone has done the same to us ( if they even did ).
Id say thats pretty embarrassing.
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